Huh… I know.
I think you missed why I made such a specific reference.
Ah, yeah I see now lol. So far the betrayal is even lining up lol
Huh… I know.
I think you missed why I made such a specific reference.
Ah, yeah I see now lol. So far the betrayal is even lining up lol
I personally like when they give the crew and allies something to do while Luffy fights the big boss
It’s better than the shonen troupe “We’re not strong enough, we’ll just get in his way while he’s fighting”
That annoys me to no end, and sometimes if it happens enough characters start to become completely useless, like the non saiyan characters in Dragon Ball, The Kohana 11 in Naruto or All the humans in Bleach
I personally like when they give the crew and allies something to do while Luffy fights the big boss
It’s better than the shonen troupe “We’re not strong enough, we’ll just get in his way while he’s fighting”
That annoys me to no end, and sometimes if it happens enough characters start to become completely useless, like the non saiyan characters in Dragon Ball, The Kohana 11 in Naruto or All the humans in Bleach
One Piece already solves this problem because the enemy faction have multiple underlings, so it's not only the main character who is useful. Also, since One Piece is not only fights, weaker characters also shine through other means.
I'm not saying that the "ticking bomb" is a bad trope for the series, but it's definitely not necessary to fix your concern.
I'm still wondering whether Kaido is a devil fruit user or if he's like I hope Onimaru/Gyukimaru is, a magical creature who can transform into a human. (and maybe a hint to the origin of devil fruits.) I know this isn't a new theory, but I don't know if it's been discussed lately on this site.
I'm still wondering whether Kaido is a devil fruit user or if he's like I hope Onimaru/Gyukimaru is, a magical creature who can transform into a human. (and maybe a hint to the origin of devil fruits.) I know this isn't a new theory, but I don't know if it's been discussed lately on this site.
Do you know the name of the type of dragon that has a human form? I believe their is a name for it but I can't remember.
I do like the idea of Kaido being that but I doubt it mostly because we know Momo ate the "fake" dragon fruit so it just makes sense to me that Kaido ate the real one.
I really like Greg’s idea that we will be having fights all over Wano and not just at Onigashima, it would Be cool to see fights from beautiful lakes to cherry blossom gardens, frosty mountains and maybe even volcanos, instead of just one location
If Oda does do that I wonder if he’ll have pop culture references or homages to some of his favorite samurai/martial arts showdowns through out film and comics
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for the last year or so, everytime I check the scans for news about bounty rush, I see greg lurking in the corner lol
hope youre doing good greg.
@Greg,
By the way, what do you think the chances of Yamato being a trans ? Can Oda risk it? After all, first character Oda designed to appear in a manga was trans (Kamatari in RK) as far as I remember.
I'm not well enough educated to know what may or may not be defined as trans. What I do know is that Yamato refers to himself in an masculine manner. Is recognized as a 'son'. Desires to be an embodiment of Oden and is willing to go to extreme ends to fulfill that. Therefore, without concerning myself with identity labels, my current head canon is to call Yamato a him.
The tldr is:
what Yamato wants to be defined as >>>>>>>>> what a reader think he should be defined as
In case you missed this post. This has been one of the most controversial points in the fandom since Yamato was introduced. Would you have any two cents to give on this? Thanks.
I spent forever trying to find this post, I remembered because people were going around in circles in the spoiler thread for chapter 985 and @SuburbanErrorist came through with his take in the Chapter discussion thread.
! @SuburbanErrorist:
! > I haven't been able to reply to everyone (Wagomu being one) on the spoiler thread but since Im on the train I may as well say put this here.Oda while very knowledgeable on a broad range of topics in the real world cannot be expected to know about psychological research done by mainly American researchers in terms of gender, misgendering or it's effects on people. You cannot expect someone who works in Tokyo 20 hours a day to have read academic research on gender pronouns. It is unfair. Regardless of the research being accurate or not.
My next point leads to, what you see as an issue in this chapter is only an issue for English speakers, not Japanese speakers. Japanese speakers do not have any issue whatsoever when it comes to "misgendering" or "Using an incorrect pronoun" the same way we do.This is why:
Words like "you" aren't commonly used and instead is replaced by the persons name. When referring to a person or character you dont use the word 彼(he) or 彼女(she), you instead use the name of that person. So when Japanese refer to Yamato, they say Yamato. Genius right?
We use he or she but using it in Japanese the same way we do is unnatural, even though it is not entirely incorrect.If you do not know the person, you do not call them HE(彼) or SHE(彼女. You call them THAT person. (その人). If you know the person you call them by their name. Its sort of rude to say "You" in Japanese. Example:
He is sitting outside.
"彼"は外に座ってる。(Sentence using "he" which is unnatural and no one uses this rather, they use the one below).
"その人"は外に座ってる"。This is using "that person" (Literally translated). That person is sitting outside.When a Japanese person reads the manga and they see that someone like Kiku is a woman at heart but then see that Izo and Kiku are brothers, they say in their head "oh that's interesting". But when they go to refer to these characters they dont talk about whether they are a he or she or what pronoun to use because Japanese IS NOT English, they use the persons name instead. People fail to understand this and blame Oda for not being a good author.
Misgendering is a subjective linguistical issue that does not affect Japanese when using he or she. Everyone here on the this chapter thread is worried about using he or she or which is correct or worrying about the characters feelings. Japanese do not feel this an issue for reasons stated above.
What I take from the Japanese: Use the persons name.
My take just use ‘his’ name if you oppose or are against gender Politics no need to be rude or belittle trans and LGBQT+ experiences etc. ..I’m mostly referring to some of the toxic stuff that was in those threads. Just go by Yamato
I don't really see why it matters. Yamato wants to be Oden. She doesn't want to be a 'man.' She's Kaido's daughter according to the text box. The big revelation was that she is in fact a woman. So I dunno, I refer to her as a woman. And there's nothing 'political' about that. I also refer to Kiku as a woman. And it doesn't 'belittle' trans people. Yamato isn't real and she isn't trans, so far as I can tell. She's just someone who wants to emulate everything about Kozuki Oden. 'Being a man' is no different than 'being Kozuki Oden.' It's simple hero worship and emulation.
It's odd that Yamato hasn't picked up some of Oden's other characteristics to be honest. Like fighting with two katana instead of a club like her father Kaido.
And also, I'd add that Yamato seems to be fairly childish. Call it arrested development. She even offers to let Luffy be Kozuki Oden. Like a kid playing make believe.
If it's disrespectful to call Yamato a woman, it's also disrespectful to not call her Kozuki Oden, since that's who she really wants to be.
Yes, Yamato, who explicitly said they became a man, does not want to be a man, even though they never said that. Sure.
It's social, not political. Especially when I see a trend of people speaking on the behalf of groups that they don't belong to. I can't tell a Korean person what's offensive or what belittles them. That is because i'm not Korean. This reminds me of the guy in the store screaming "you won't make me wear a mask. I have rights".
Yes, Yamato, who explicitly said they became a man, does not want to be a man, even though they never said that. Sure.
And you are free to think whatever you want about the story. I'm not trying to prove anything. Just the way I see it. And you're free to disagree and that doesn't mean I hate anyone or have an ax to grind.
And Yamato is a fictional character. So far, I haven't seen anyone actually offended. But I've seen a lot of people claim to be offended on behalf of other people. Or really claiming that something might be offensive, but they're not really sure, but maybe just air on the side of caution, but if you don't then you are one hundred percent a villain. Over a fictional character. So that's something, I guess.
Look, I'm not saying other people shouldn't say 'he', but I am saying that I'm gonna continue to refer to Yamato as a woman because I see no compelling reason not to at this point. And I really don't see why it matters or why that would bother anyone. As far as I can tell, it only seems to bother people who think that it might bother someone else.
It's social, not political. Especially when I see a trend of people speaking on the behalf of groups that they don't belong to. I can't tell a Korean person what's offensive or what belittles them. That is because i'm not Korean. This reminds me of the guy in the store screaming "you won't make me wear a mask. I have rights".
I did think political was the wrong term.
Yes, Yamato, who explicitly said they became a man, does not want to be a man, even though they never said that. Sure.
Yamato became Oden.
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I spent forever trying to find this post, I remembered because people were going around in circles in the spoiler thread for chapter 985 and @SuburbanErrorist came through with his take in the Chapter discussion thread.
My take just use ‘his’ name if you oppose or are against gender Politics no need to be rude or belittle trans and LGBQT+ experiences etc. ..I’m mostly referring to some of the toxic stuff that was in those threads. Just go by Yamato
I was wondering what the notification was.
It really is what you said, instead of worrying about he or she, just refer to Yamato as Yamato.
To everyone else:
If people were really serious about identifying "Yamato" correctly they would call Yamato Oden, not Yamato. Yamato identifys as Oden, so call him Oden. Why are you all bigoted and not calling Oden by his name?
One Piece really shows that the western world really have different priorities. No Japanese reader is arguing what Yamatos identification is and it's funny to watch everyone here.
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
I don't really see why it matters. Yamato wants to be Oden. She doesn't want to be a 'man.' She's Kaido's daughter according to the text box. The big revelation was that she is in fact a woman. So I dunno, I refer to her as a woman. And there's nothing 'political' about that. I also refer to Kiku as a woman. And it doesn't 'belittle' trans people. Yamato isn't real and she isn't trans, so far as I can tell. She's just someone who wants to emulate everything about Kozuki Oden. 'Being a man' is no different than 'being Kozuki Oden.' It's simple hero worship and emulation.
It's odd that Yamato hasn't picked up some of Oden's other characteristics to be honest. Like fighting with two katana instead of a club like her father Kaido.
And also, I'd add that Yamato seems to be fairly childish. Call it arrested development. She even offers to let Luffy be Kozuki Oden. Like a kid playing make believe.
If it's disrespectful to call Yamato a woman, it's also disrespectful to not call her Kozuki Oden, since that's who she really wants to be.
Where are the like buttons
Do you know the name of the type of dragon that has a human form? I believe their is a name for it but I can't remember.
I do like the idea of Kaido being that but I doubt it mostly because we know Momo ate the "fake" dragon fruit so it just makes sense to me that Kaido ate the real one.
I'm not sure. I read a bunch of Ursula K Le Guin lately though and it shows up in a few of her books. I also remember it as a plotpoint in Radiata Stories. I know that it's present in a lot of Eastern Mythology, but I don't have any examples on hand.
I'll say again what I've said before, I don't think Yamato is trans, in any common sense of the word, but I also think that doesn't fucking matter and we should be using he/him pronouns for him.
He feels more strongly about being Oden than he does being male, the latter is a result of the former, nothing more. It's an obvious character arc for him to learn that the real Oden blazed his own trail, and to give up the persona and possibly the pronouns at the end of the arc. It's possible even that his identity has some kind of fluidity to it, that he switches between Oden the man and Yamato the daughter of Kaido based on what he's feeling, but all that's come out of the mouth of Yamato himself so far is that he feels he's a man. And frankly, that should be enough. It doesn't matter that his motives or the genuine-transess of his identity are questionable. I've had friends experiment with gender identity before. When they asked to try being called by different pronouns I didn't say "are you sure you're not just trying too hard to emulate your samurai hero" or "you're probably going to go back to what you started with at the end of your character arc anyway," I just did my best to call them what they wanted to be called because it's the polite, accommodating thing to do.
There are, of course, things to be said about Yamato being a fictional character and not actually affected either way by what we call him, and for gendered language and pronouns working differently in Japanese. It's true, fictional characters aren't due the same respect and accommodation as real people. You wouldn't translate a person's name between languages, but you might have to consider it for a character if their name is a plot or characterisation device the readers need to understand. Or even in the case of Yamato himself, while we might roll with the request to try Oden as a name if he was a friend in real life, we're going to leave him as Yamato in our discussions here because its necessary to distinguish him from the historical Oden to keep things from getting confusing. However, using female pronouns serves no such clarifying purpose at all. And at the same time, the way a person talks about a character can be indicative to how they would act toward real people of that type. It's a zero-stakes, anonymous environment here, no points are being awarded or taken away, no one in real life will hold you accountable, so it says a something if your default setting is acceptance, or if it's to rules-lawyer your way to a "correct" set of pronouns that are different from the ones being asked for. What you are in the dark and all that.
SuburbanErrorist rather bafflingly tries to imply that this isn't an issue because Japanese fans/the in-universe characters aren't discussing it the same way. Which is weird, because his previous post quoted by Bryannmania has explained exactly why it hasn't come up for them. It's a linguistic issue. First and third-person pronouns work differently in Japanese. Because they get gender-neutral third-person pronouns, there hasn't been anyone referring to Yamato disrespectfully. They don't not care about gender issues - there are people who care about that kind of thing all around the world - it just doesn't come up the same way or in the same places for them because of the linguistic and cultural differences. It's only natural it comes across as a lower priority when it's so much harder to get the pronouns wrong in every casual discussion. There would be plenty of Japanese people with strong opinions of their own on respectful language and gender issues if the context switched to one where it was actually coming up regularly. Discussions about linguistics change across different languages? No fucking shit.
TLDR Yamato is a man because he says so, fiction characters aren't due all the same respect as normal ones but how you talk about them and why can still reveal your own character, Japanese fans don't care as much about this not because it isn't an issue but because their language means it doesn't come up the same way.
It's social, not political. Especially when I see a trend of people speaking on the behalf of groups that they don't belong to. I can't tell a Korean person what's offensive or what belittles them. That is because i'm not Korean. This reminds me of the guy in the store screaming "you won't make me wear a mask. I have rights".
Your comment is actually very political
Your comment is actually very political
That just shows that you've allowed yourself to be conditioned to view common decency as politics. A hit dog will holler.
Respectfully, I just don't see it that way. Yamato is a fictional character, so it really doesn't matter. I don't view it as disrespectful to refer to her as a woman. I'm not attacking anyone who refers to Yamato as a man.
You say you don't try to analyze your friends motivations to do things. Sure, that's true. Those are your friends. But this is a narrative work. The whole point of a discussion / literary analysis is to dissect character motivations, actions, etc. So of course there is going to be more analysis of a character who is not real and exists in a story to serve a particular narrative function.
I'm still wondering whether Kaido is a devil fruit user or if he's like I hope Onimaru/Gyukimaru is, a magical creature who can transform into a human. (and maybe a hint to the origin of devil fruits.) I know this isn't a new theory, but I don't know if it's been discussed lately on this site.
Nothing special about Onimaru. He's a fox that ate a mythical hito hito model Daruma fruit.
Luffy isn't real, but I still use him and he. If I use she all the time for Luffy, it becomes questionable. Fictional character or not, everyone has a reason behind their decisions. Many want to mask their decision, but it's very obvious what's really going on.
If Yamato changes what he identifies himself as 80 different times, I will go by that. The same if Luffy or any other character in the series does so as well. When I choose to refer to Luffy as a she, when he identifies as a he, then that is a personal choice. We can throw around "fictional character" or "politics", but it's really just a social preference that many don't want to address because it's uncomfortable.
Never told anyone to call Yamato a he. Just calling bs on the excuses not to. Best to do what you want w/o trying to disguise your true reasoning.
Nothing special about Onimaru. He's a fox that ate a mythical hito hito model Daruma fruit.
Is that word of God? It's kind of disappointing given the Catarina Devon's devil fruit being a mythical fox one and having the ability to transform. It would be neat foreshadowing of an actual mythical fox in the story. (also I know that her fruit is of the 9-tailed fox, not a single tailed one like Onimaru)
There's a picture out there somewhere (can't believe I didn't save it) of one of Oda's own notebooks with GLAND LINE written in it, so yes, obviously retcons of all existing translations are in order.
But really, this is a great example of why you can't just take every romanisation used in official merch (or even in the manga itself) is the one true official one. They're prone to misspellings and inconsistencies, and are only written that way for aesthetic reasons, not to give western fans an "official" spelling.
I really doubt he's doing it for aesthestic reasons since he only started using it around the Whitebeard War, which was when OP became more prominent outside Japan. A notebook and merch spelling are one thing compared to what Oda puts in his actual work.
We also know he changed introduction boxes to make it more convenient for overseas translations, according to one of his interviews.
Luffy isn't real, but I still use him and he. If I use she all the time for Luffy, it becomes questionable. Fictional character or not, everyone has a reason behind their decisions. Many want to mask their decision, but it's very obvious what's really going on.
If Yamato changes what he identifies himself as 80 different times, I will go by that. The same if Luffy or any other character in the series does so as well. When I choose to refer to Luffy as a she, when he identifies as a he, then that is a personal choice. We can throw around "fictional character" or "politics", but it's really just a social preference that many don't want to address because it's uncomfortable.
Never told anyone to call Yamato a he. Just calling bs on the excuses not to. Best to do what you want w/o trying to disguise your true reasoning.
Best to accept what I say at face value.
I have no 'true reasoning'.
I see Yamato in a similar way to Mulan. Mulan 'became a man' for a reason. Or Mrs. Doubtfire. Yamato is trying to emulate Oden.
Not to mention, I think Yamato's hero worship of Kozuki Oden is unhealthy from a psychological perspective and I hope she ends the arc by dropping the Oden act. You can't be another person. You should be yourself. Luffy doesn't try to be Shanks. He is himself, but incorporates the values Shanks espoused.
Which is why I say Yamato is fundamentally childish.
EDIT: Also, I'm not making excuses. I'm explaining my reasoning. I feel no need to make excuses.
I just have one simple question: What happens if Yamato no longer wants to be Oden; would s/he still identify as a man or as a woman? I don't know.
Regardless, I hope the whole Oden thing is dropped.
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
Best to accept what I say at face value.
I have no 'true reasoning'.
I see Yamato in a similar way to Mulan. Mulan 'became a man' for a reason. Or Mrs. Doubtfire. Yamato is trying to emulate Oden.
Not to mention, I think Yamato's hero worship of Kozuki Oden is unhealthy from a psychological perspective and I hope she ends the arc by dropping the Oden act. You can't be another person. You should be yourself. Luffy doesn't try to be Shanks. He is himself, but incorporates the values Shanks espoused.
Which is why I say Yamato is fundamentally childish.
EDIT: Also, I'm not making excuses. I'm explaining my reasoning. I feel no need to make excuses.
Okay, I understand
I just have one simple question: What happens if Yamato no longer wants to be Oden; would s/he still identify as a man or as a woman? I don't know.
That's up to him. That reminds me though that I find it pretty irksome that people partly want to dismiss Yamato plainly stating he's a man/Kaido's son (there is no getting around these statements), as well as Kaido, the Beast Pirates, and now Luffy respecting that, due to an assumption that Yamato will have a character arc that will end with him being a woman. That's not how it works. You wait for the character to actually get to that point, and then change accordingly if necessary. It's really that simple.
That's up to him. That reminds me though that I find it pretty irksome that people partly want to dismiss Yamato plainly stating he's a man/Kaido's son (there is no getting around these statements), as well as Kaido, the Beast Pirates, and now Luffy respecting that, due to an assumption that Yamato will have a character arc that will end with him being a woman. That's not how it works. You wait for the character to actually get to that point, and then change accordingly if necessary. It's really that simple.
I actually hope Yamato drops the whole Oden thing and still identifies as a man but I'm not holding my breath.
That's up to him. That reminds me though that I find it pretty irksome that people partly want to dismiss Yamato plainly stating he's a man/Kaido's son (there is no getting around these statements), as well as Kaido, the Beast Pirates, and now Luffy respecting that, due to an assumption that Yamato will have a character arc that will end with him being a woman. That's not how it works. You wait for the character to actually get to that point, and then change accordingly if necessary. It's really that simple.
I'm not ignoring anything. I'm not reading it in the same way. I don't interpret the character's actions and words the same way as you. This is a work of fiction. These aren't real people. I think it's kinda funny that people having opinions different than your own is irksome.
That's up to him. That reminds me though that I find it pretty irksome that people partly want to dismiss Yamato plainly stating he's a man/Kaido's son (there is no getting around these statements), as well as Kaido, the Beast Pirates, and now Luffy respecting that, due to an assumption that Yamato will have a character arc that will end with him being a woman. That's not how it works. You wait for the character to actually get to that point, and then change accordingly if necessary. It's really that simple.
Its basically this, for now respect Yamato by calling them the pronoun they prefer a HE
Luffy isn't real, but I still use him and he. If I use she all the time for Luffy, it becomes questionable. Fictional character or not, everyone has a reason behind their decisions. Many want to mask their decision, but it's very obvious what's really going on.
If Yamato changes what he identifies himself as 80 different times, I will go by that. The same if Luffy or any other character in the series does so as well. When I choose to refer to Luffy as a she, when he identifies as a he, then that is a personal choice. We can throw around "fictional character" or "politics", but it's really just a social preference that many don't want to address because it's uncomfortable.
Never told anyone to call Yamato a he. Just calling bs on the excuses not to. Best to do what you want w/o trying to disguise your true reasoning.
Good on ya Cockycent, keep fighting the good fight.
I really doubt he's doing it for aesthestic reasons since he only started using it around the Whitebeard War, which was when OP became more prominent outside Japan. A notebook and merch spelling are one thing compared to what Oda puts in his actual work.
We also know he changed introduction boxes to make it more convenient for overseas translations, according to one of his interviews.
IIRC the only thing he's said about making things easier for overseas translators was that he switched from tall vertical speech bubbles to longer, wider ones more friendly to western languages.
The romanised introductions may have started around the halfway point, but English-language wanted posters and background signs go as far back as literally chapter one. Their use is not unlike my local Chinese restaurant with its Chinese text on the sign. That text isn't there because the owners think there'll be a lot of people in my majority-white, monolingual area will read it or learn the real canon Chinese names for the food they're getting. That text could be perfectly accurate or it could be gibberish or it could say "only stupid people eat here" and it doesn't matter because it's all about the aesthetic and atmosphere of a Chinese place. In the same way, if you want a pirate-y setting, you invoke the real world's golden age in the British-controlled Caribbean in the late 1600's. The texture of the setting comes first.
And suppose I'm wrong and Oda is doing it to provide spellings to official translators. Well, he's not doing a very good job of it. Names change. Names change between the manga and the merch and the foreign translations. If Oda was so sure of his romanisations couldn't he have made a concrete list of what they are for each character and key word and handed that out to be sure external contradictions don't happen? Or kept it on hand for internal ones?
We've had Nefeltari/Nefertari, Alabasta/Arabasta, Alvida/Albida, /Big Mom/Big Mam, Gaburu/Gabull, Chou Chou/Shu Shu Shilliew/Shiryu Binks' Sake/Binks of Liquor and Aladdin/Aladine, and those are just the ones I remember. Even Luffy's own name on his wanted poster has been misspelled a couple of times (and none of these were fixed for the volume release either, to show how low a priority they are). Not to mention the weird spellings like Rosinante (inspired by Rocinante), Flampe (taken from Flambe) and Levely which beg the question of whether Oda is make a deliberate abstraction from the expected romanisation like he did with Roronoa from l'Olonnais or a genuine error caused by the language gap. And then you've got the pure letter salad spelling of Mary Geoise, which vaguely invokes the French language if you don't know anything about it, but doesn't actually work for how its meant to be pronounced.
If this is Oda helping people overseas get the names right, I'd hate to see him try to confuse us. Well, I suppose that would what he did with Laugh Tale, but I think my point's been made.
Is that word of God? It's kind of disappointing given the Catarina Devon's devil fruit being a mythical fox one and having the ability to transform. It would be neat foreshadowing of an actual mythical fox in the story. (also I know that her fruit is of the 9-tailed fox, not a single tailed one like Onimaru)
To answer your question succinctly, no, no it is not and therefore anything is possible.
To answer the long way, I will bet good money that's exactly what it is. Putting my foot down on that as I have with a number of other hard calls I've made that've turned out to be accurate.
As I currently interpret Oda's world is, those mythical elements you brought up like nine-tails doesn't necessarily mean that's what actually existed in great number at one time, but those very myths are based precisely on that very fruit. We've seen this in practice throughout Wano with things like youkai and such. Yes, these myths etc exist, but they're all pretty much based on misunderstood Devil Fruits and such.
Given onimaru's resenblance to Daruma (with the overall theme being Benkei) the only explanation is that it's a fox (as that appears to be the true form) which ate a hito hito fruit. With that Daruma resemblance, the glove fits.
To answer your question succinctly, no, no it is not and therefore anything is possible.
To answer the long way, I will bet good money that's exactly what it is. Putting my foot down on that as I have with a number of other hard calls I've made that've turned out to be accurate.
As I currently interpret Oda's world is, those mythical elements you brought up like nine-tails doesn't necessarily mean that's what actually existed in great number at one time, but those very myths are based precisely on that very fruit. We've seen this in practice throughout Wano with things like youkai and such. Yes, these myths etc exist, but they're all pretty much based on misunderstood Devil Fruits and such.
Given onimaru's resenblance to Daruma (with the overall theme being Benkei) the only explanation is that it's a fox (as that appears to be the true form) which ate a hito hito fruit. With that Daruma resemblance, the glove fits.
Maybe this is expecting too much, but if Onimaru does have that specific Hito Hito no mi, shouldn't he be able to speak in any form as Chopper does? Not only has Onimaru not been given the chance to speak in his base form, I don't even know if that DF would allow him to speak. Maybe the expectation due to Chopper's situation and all of it being speculation is just too far away to really put a finger on what's really going on.
To answer your question succinctly, no, no it is not and therefore anything is possible.
To answer the long way, I will bet good money that's exactly what it is. Putting my foot down on that as I have with a number of other hard calls I've made that've turned out to be accurate.
As I currently interpret Oda's world is, those mythical elements you brought up like nine-tails doesn't necessarily mean that's what actually existed in great number at one time, but those very myths are based precisely on that very fruit. We've seen this in practice throughout Wano with things like youkai and such. Yes, these myths etc exist, but they're all pretty much based on misunderstood Devil Fruits and such.
Given onimaru's resenblance to Daruma (with the overall theme being Benkei) the only explanation is that it's a fox (as that appears to be the true form) which ate a hito hito fruit. With that Daruma resemblance, the glove fits.
Thanks for the response. It's well reasoned and you definitely have a greater understanding of One Piece than most, which certainly includes me. I hadn't thought of Wano citizens constantly attributing Devil Fruit abilities to ninjutsu or yokai as a means to explain myths throughout Wano and the world, but it's a very reasonable take. I guess where I was coming from was looking for something foreshadowing whatever it is that Vegapunk will eventually reveal about what Devil Fruits really are (as oda hinted he knows in an SBS).
Also thanks for the mention of Benkei. Wano is full of this kind of stuff and a quick google search shows that as such obvious inspiration. After a recent reread I noticed the obvious inspiration Kawamatsu had on Onimaru's appearance as well, which should have been obvious, but eh.
There's a picture out there somewhere (can't believe I didn't save it) of one of Oda's own notebooks with GLAND LINE written in it, so yes, obviously retcons of all existing translations are in order.
probably something similar to this
Maybe this is expecting too much, but if Onimaru does have that specific Hito Hito no mi, shouldn't he be able to speak in any form as Chopper does?
Indeed. And I don't believe there's evidence to suggest he can't.
The logical conclusion being, he was just a normal fox back during the flcshback, explaining his feral nature.
To answer your question succinctly, no, no it is not and therefore anything is possible.
To answer the long way, I will bet good money that's exactly what it is. Putting my foot down on that as I have with a number of other hard calls I've made that've turned out to be accurate.
As I currently interpret Oda's world is, those mythical elements you brought up like nine-tails doesn't necessarily mean that's what actually existed in great number at one time, but those very myths are based precisely on that very fruit. We've seen this in practice throughout Wano with things like youkai and such. Yes, these myths etc exist, but they're all pretty much based on misunderstood Devil Fruits and such.
Given onimaru's resenblance to Daruma (with the overall theme being Benkei) the only explanation is that it's a fox (as that appears to be the true form) which ate a hito hito fruit. With that Daruma resemblance, the glove fits.
What is your current take on Kaido and him being a Hito user (Mythical-Oni-Hito-Zoan or Horned-Hito-Zoan)? Combined with the theory that Kaido is not a real dragon, but one of Vegapunks artificial creations (like Subject 13)?
What is your current take on Kaido and him being a Hito user (Mythical-Oni-Hito-Zoan or Horned-Hito-Zoan)? Combined with the theory that Kaido is not a real dragon, but one of Vegapunks artificial creations (like Subject 13)?
Also, with Wanted being canon, I'm curious whether there are any Dragons left in the One Piece world. We know there are dinosaurs and we know that they are considered dragons as far as devil fruit classification. Seems to me that Kaido could go either way in some aspects, though Yamato being human muddies that theory more than anything else. I know you want Greg's opion, but I thought I'd give mine as well, for book-keeping's sake.
edit: On the topic of Yamato gendering, Yamato's opening entry on the One Piece wiki seems to completely miss the mark no matter how you feel -
Yamato is the daughter of Kaido. She is otherwise widely referred to as his son due to often presenting herself as a man as a result of her profound admiration for the legendary samurai Kozuki Oden and her aspiration to emulate him.
We don't know why Yamato is considered Kaido's son. We can speculate on it here, and that's not out of reason by any means, but I don't think a wiki should be presenting such speculation as fact.
Also, with Wanted being canon, I'm curious whether there are any Dragons left in the One Piece world. We know there are dinosaurs and we know that they are considered dragons as far as devil fruit classification. Seems to me that Kaido could go either way in some aspects, though Yamato being human muddies that theory more than anything else. I know you want Greg's opion, but I thought I'd give mine as well, for book-keeping's sake.
edit: On the topic of Yamato gendering, Yamato's opening entry on the One Piece wiki seems to completely miss the mark no matter how you feel -
We don't know why Yamato is considered Kaido's son. We can speculate on it here, and that's not out of reason by any means, but I don't think a wiki should be presenting such speculation as fact.
I don't think it's speculation. Yamato literally explains this in their debut.
"Oden was a man, so I became a man"
I don't think it's speculation. Yamato literally explains this in their debut.
"Oden was a man, so I became a man"
That's not speculation. What I'm still curious about is how easily Kaido accepted it. It probably is that simple, but I feel like there could be other elements to it. With Yamato there are way more questions than answers. Like, Kaido accepting her as male is cool, but as much as he respected Oden, it would be strange if he accepts her wanting to be male as attached to wanting to be Oden. Or maybe not…
Yeah I somehow doubt that Kaido refers to Yamato as his "son" out of respect but I don't know. I suppose we will know for sure when his flashback happens.
I get the feeling that Kaidou wanted his born-daughter to be a man just because he wanted a male heir, for all the old school reasons, and possibly raised Yamato as such.
But Yamato went for a specific man, Oden.
Now, this kinda assumes somethings about Yamato's feelings and all of the discussion about his pronoun I wish to avoid.
But I got the feeling that both Yamato and Kaidou want Yamato to be a man but for different reasons, and tht's why Kaidou still has Yamato locked up instead of just killing him and get it over with, there's a bizarre middle ground betwen them. I don't see Kaidou being a supporting father in any way that does not directly benefit him, like getting his son a nice well paid job (being shogun) because it would actually give him more power to rule from the shadows.
I think whatever Kaido's deal is regarding his son, it's going to be interesting given how disappointed he has been in Momonosuke as Oden's son. If Yamato witnessed the Hour of legends, then being born female might be another piece of the puzzle. We all assume Yamato wants to be like Oden because of how great he comes across in his journal and because of Yamato having seen his last hour, but it could be that Yamato just wanted (initially) to be recognized by Kaido and decided to "become" the only person that Kaido fully respected and revered. I worked that out as I typed and it's now my theory.
probably something similar to this
https://i.ibb.co/pQTnjyH/EWuv-Lo-SWs-AARIJ.jpg
I think that's the exact one I saw. Is it actually completely confirmed to be Oda's work?
Saved for future reference in any case. Thanks!
I think that's the exact one I saw. Is it actually completely confirmed to be Oda's work?
Saved for future reference in any case. Thanks!
That’s an early world map
There’s a more complete version of it in magazine 9
http://imgur.com/a/w4s7r93
edit: On the topic of Yamato gendering, Yamato's opening entry on the One Piece wiki seems to completely miss the mark no matter how you feel -
We don't know why Yamato is considered Kaido's son. We can speculate on it here, and that's not out of reason by any means, but I don't think a wiki should be presenting such speculation as fact.
Good point. It's changed at least for the time being since as you're right about not knowing the full details on that.
I personally think Yamato will be indisputably male upon fully assuming Oden's identity.
So Greg, I heard you're not down with the hood about Wano getting 5 acts straight.
To Which I'm against it, given both the Sulong and Drake's situations, it does make sense to me to "stretch" Sulong by putting it on stand by with either the intermission between acts and or Yamato/Kaido flashback, virtually everyone but Inu, Neko, Bepo, Carrot and Wanda aren't doing it right now, and it doesn't work for me that everyone else is losing their Sulong in like 4-5 chapters??
And Drake justifies it even better, since he's likely in the bathroom reporting the whole invasion right now, it only makes so much sense to get Sakazuki's reaction to said incident right into the intermission.
The 5-part thing happened when someone from abroad looked up kabuki on Wikipedia and assumed that's how it had to be w/o thinking/knowing what any of it means.
Jo-Ha-Kyu
That's the most well-known breakdown.
One or two of those (Ha iirc) is broken into two or three parts.
But that doesn't mean it's not three major parts.
Now if memory serves, Oda hasn't used those terms. So he's free to do whatever the hell he wants. But the way some people pictured this arc taking years and years from the start of the battle are waaaaaaay off. Even for a length optimist like myself.
I do concede he could cut-away when things look bleak and have it be less than a chap away from action. But i think even the so-called 'away' action would all be strongly moving in the direction of Wano.
The 5-part thing happened when someone from abroad looked up kabuki on Wikipedia and assumed that's how it had to be w/o thinking/knowing what any of it means.
Jo-Ha-Kyu
That's the most well-known breakdown.
One or two of those (Ha iirc) is broken into two or three parts.
But that doesn't mean it's not three major parts.
Now if memory serves, Oda hasn't used those terms. So he's free to do whatever the hell he wants. But the way some people pictured this arc taking years and years from the start of the battle are waaaaaaay off. Even for a length optimist like myself.
I do concede he could cut-away when things look bleak and have it be less than a chap away from action. But i think even the so-called 'away' action would all be strongly moving in the direction of Wano.
Wasn't chapter 924's title and the sound made with the shocked faces meant to invoke Ha? If only through sounding the same, if not being written the same? I'm sure that gave the theory some momentum.
There’s so many characters I doubt even all the big name characters will all get one on one fights
I expect a lot of team battles
Also is there a chapter this week? Manga plus says the next chapter comes out August 30th but VIZ says it’s coming out in 14 days, I’m pretty sure both are official websites so which one is right?