I mean….we could just shoot him if he tries?
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@Johnny:
I mean….we could just shoot him if he tries?
Careful friend. That's how you end up on a list with fed goons knocking on your door.
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How optimistic of them to think Trump will even live for 12 more years
Politicians are like tortoise, like live forever. More bad they are, more they tend to live on.
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@Johnny:
I mean….we could just shoot him if he tries?
Yeah, I’d be careful with that if I were you. Threatening the life of or inciting violence against a sitting or even former President is a federal crime. Off the top of my head, there’s been at least 3-4 people who have been thrown in jail for threatening Obama online. One dude got 27 months and another guy got 33, if I remember correctly.
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Joke aside, is it legally possible?
On paper it is not. The problem is, it takes someone who is willing to actually enforce it, and we don't have anyone who is willing to do that.
What will probably happen is:
Trump will win reelection this Norvember. Then over the course of his second term, he'll push several limits and do even more illegal and crazy things. Everyone, including some of his fellow Republicans will SAY they condemn his actions, but those condemnations will never turn into them actually taking action to stop him or curtail his power.
He'll grow more and more bold about what he can get away with as the term goes on, pushing more and more into fascism. Finally, we'll get to the point where elections are supposed to happen again and he'll just declare them suspended. Again, everyone including some of his fellow Republicans will say that this is an awful attack on our democracy and they condemn Trump in the strongest possible words… but nobody will do anything to stop it.
It really depends on where we are in 4 years. We've HAD 4 years of him already and we're still at "Republicans worship the ground he walks on and insist he can do not wrong" and "Democrats condemn him but don't actually do anything to stop him". I highly doubt this changes in 4 years.
Republicans like power and Trump gives them power.If Trump goes "Hey, Lets figure out how we can keep this gravy train rolling for 4-8 more years! Ore more!" they'll bend over backwards to figure out some legal sounding loopholes they can use to justify what they're doing, then do it.
The Law only matters so far as people are willing to abide by it and enforce it.
Others in this thread have already given hypothetical scenarios where a loophole can be exploited:
As much as I'm a fan of touting "Yeah but Trump is out automatically on Jan. 20 no matter what! That's the LAW! And he doesn't have the support of officials with the guns! " And dismissing everything else as crazy talk… but...
Here's a scary insane conspiracy theory I saw. Well, I'd say it's insane but, you know what? We have an insane and corrupt president and a corrupt GOP.
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Yeah thats completely insane and impossible and shouldn't put any stock in it. But you know…
Mostly its impossible because Trump will refuse any plan where the actual goal is "lose by as much as possible". Requiring Dems to go along with not accepting a win that they got by a landslide? Not that farfetched.
Because Democrats care more about "Appearing Middle Ground" they'll once again, condemn up and down but if they try to actually DO anything about Trump he'll cry "Witchhunt! They're being so unfair! I am the most mistreated president ever!" and it will succeed in convincing a sizable chunk of the country that the Democrats really are being unfair. I mean, look at this legal loophole! What Trump's doing is fair, they're just sore losers yada yada and they'll pull back because they don't want to look like the "Bad Guys" and then BAM. We're stuck in hell indefinitely.
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On paper it is not. The problem is, it takes someone who is willing to actually enforce it, and we don't have anyone who is willing to do that.
What will probably happen is:
Trump will win reelection this Norvember.
The odds are still against him winning in November, especially since he just lost Jerry Falwell Jr as a propaganda tool.
It's possible that he'll be able to cheat just enough to squeak by, but the likelihood of him succeeding now that word of his post office sabotage scheme has gotten around is pretty low.
I think the left is just going to end up biting the bullet and voting in person in much larger numbers than we expected, and older Republicans will vote less than they should have due to the postal system imploding.
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Wisconsin polling better than Minnesota is interesting. Both were very close in 2016 (WI barely went to Trump, MN barely went to Hillary), but one has a very entrenched Democratic infrastructure and the other one became a Scott Walker experiment in illiberalism.
I actually think that explains it in of itself.
Minnesota's democrats might be fat and lazy after many years and are not reacting to creeping trends and hand waving things with "Ah we're a blue state, don't worry about it"
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Yep. I'm totally part of the problem. God forbid I acknowledge the stupidity of a bunch of shits being public menaces. Nah, let's just ignore them or minimize them because they call themselves Antifa.
No fucking wonder they're a problem.
lol you didn't even MENTION the police this time
"No no I'm actually not completely blinkered on what the main subject of these protests is! Whatever it was!"
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We did elect a dem governor recently after all.
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Yeah, I’d be careful with that if I were you. Threatening the life of or inciting violence against a sitting or even former President is a federal crime. Off the top of my head, there’s been at least 3-4 people who have been thrown in jail for threatening Obama online. One dude got 27 months and another guy got 33, if I remember correctly.
@The:
Careful friend. That's how you end up on a list with fed goons knocking on your door.
Yeah, I'm sure the Feds are glued to their screens investigating a forum for a Japanese comic book.
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Dropped off my state ballot today. Sorry, Joe Kennedy III, you are not ready to be senator yet.
@Johnny:
Yeah, I'm sure the Feds are glued to their screens investigating a forum for a Japanese comic book.
You'd be surprised where they lurk.
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The odds are still against him winning in November, especially since he just lost Jerry Falwell Jr as a propaganda tool.
It's possible that he'll be able to cheat just enough to squeak by, but the likelihood of him succeeding now that word of his post office sabotage scheme has gotten around is pretty low.
I think the left is just going to end up biting the bullet and voting in person in much larger numbers than we expected, and older Republicans will vote less than they should have due to the postal system imploding.
I… I'm sorry, I just don't see it. I want you to be right, I DESPERATELY want you to be right, but that's not how the two parties work.
Republicans have a long and well documented history of voting against their own self interests. Some of the most heavily Republican-heavy voting districts are poor and have people who rely on Food Stamps, Social Security, and Medicare which are all things the Republicans they elect tend to try to destroy. They'll risk getting sick if they have to to continue owning the libs.
Meanwhile on the Left: Donald Trump could go on TV wearing a full SS Uniform complete with swastika armband, announce that when he wins the government will be reorganized officially into the new Fourth Reich and that undesirables will be rounded up into camps starting November 4th and end the speech with an enthusiastic Sieg Heil and the majority of the left would look at that and respond "Yeah, wow, This is alarming. Biden had better start working harder to earn my vote if he wants me to help stop this".
I want you to be right Robo. I REALLY want you to be right. Like desperately.
I've just lost all hope.
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You'd be surprised where they lurk.
Sure as hell is not on /pol/ or else some alt right scum should’ve been jailed long time ago.
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A group of unmasked right wing idiots, some of whom were armed, violently forced their way into a government building and broke glass doors on their way in to protest a Bill about COVID Issues like Mask requirements.
Not only was nobody arrested and, not a single rubber bullet or tear gas canister thrown, but they eventually RELENTED and LET THEM ALL BE SEATED
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@Monkey:
lol you didn't even MENTION the police this time
"No no I'm actually not completely blinkered on what the main subject of these protests is! Whatever it was!"
lol
"If you acknowledge the idiocy the goes on within Antifa then you can't be acknowledging the problems with the police."
Didn't know it was an either/or type deal.
FFS.
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A group of unmasked right wing idiots, some of whom were armed, violently forced their way into a government building and broke glass doors on their way in to protest COVID Reopening and Mask Requirements.
Not only was nobody arrested and, not a single rubber bullet or tear gas canister thrown, but they eventually RELENTED and LET THEM ALL BE SEATED
Let me take a wild guess at the race of these people…
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@The:
Let me take a wild guess at the race of these people…
Whatever your guess is probably sounds about white.
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Whatever your guess is probably sounds about white.
I guess you could say I was…white on the money.
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I… I'm sorry, I just don't see it. I want you to be right, I DESPERATELY want you to be right, but that's not how the two parties work.
Republicans have a long and well documented history of voting against their own self interests. Some of the most heavily Republican-heavy voting districts are poor and have people who rely on Food Stamps, Social Security, and Medicare which are all things the Republicans they elect tend to try to destroy. They'll risk getting sick if they have to to continue owning the libs.
Meanwhile on the Left: Donald Trump could go on TV wearing a full SS Uniform complete with swastika armband, announce that when he wins the government will be reorganized officially into the new Fourth Reich and that undesirables will be rounded up into camps starting November 4th and end the speech with an enthusiastic Sieg Heil and the majority of the left would look at that and respond "Yeah, wow, This is alarming. Biden had better start working harder to earn my vote if he wants me to help stop this".
I want you to be right Robo. I REALLY want you to be right. Like desperately.
I've just lost all hope.
A lot of older Republicans in key states like Florida vote by mail.
Today my gf got a notice from her boss that all documents will need to be delivered by hand because the postal system is no longer reliable.
If schools are giving up on the USPS, the situation is so dire that the GOP may as well write off every single person who's voted for them by mail in the past. -
A lot of older Republicans in key states like Florida vote by mail.
Today my gf got a notice from her boss that all documents will need to be delivered by hand because the postal system is no longer reliable.
If schools are giving up on the USPS, the situation is so dire that the GOP may as well write off every single person who's voted for them by mail in the past.That's why Derp Fürer keeps saying mail voting is evil and bad and horrible and a Democrat ploy to rig the election.
He's trying to destroy Mail voting and is banking on the Republican rank and file, who vote against their own self interest literally every election, to do their duty and physically go out to the polls even if it's difficult for them and even if they might get sick because he told them to.
And they will. Because the Republicans are unified.
The left will not, because they aren't.
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lol
"If you acknowledge the idiocy the goes on within Antifa then you can't be acknowledging the problems with the police."
Didn't know it was an either/or type deal.
FFS.
You're either buying into a distraction, or willingly buying into a distraction.
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That's why Derp Fürer keeps saying mail voting is evil and bad and horrible and a Democrat ploy to rig the election.
He's trying to destroy Mail voting and is banking on the Republican rank and file, who vote against their own self interest literally every election, to do their duty and physically go out to the polls even if it's difficult for them and even if they might get sick because he told them to.
And they will. Because the Republicans are unified.
The left will not, because they aren't.
Republicans are not used to being inconvenienced while voting.
When you see those news stories about people having to wait eight hours to cast a ballot, those aren't Trump voters.
In the end I feel confident that Biden voters will be a lot more motivated to actually show up because they recognize that the structure of our society is literally eroding around us.
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@Monkey:
You're either buying into a distraction, or willingly buying into a distraction.
There is no comparison or both sidesing this, unless you want badly to believe you can.Are you really the desperate the try and defend the idiots within Antifa by acting like it's going to completely distract from the issues within the Police system?
I apologize for you being unable to acknowledge the faults in both systems without being all in on one at one time.
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A group of unmasked right wing idiots, some of whom were armed, violently forced their way into a government building and broke glass doors on their way in to protest a Bill about COVID Issues like Mask requirements.
Not only was nobody arrested and, not a single rubber bullet or tear gas canister thrown, but they eventually RELENTED and LET THEM ALL BE SEATED
Is this the incident in Idaho? Because I think I saw a report on that one.
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A group of unmasked right wing idiots, some of whom were armed, violently forced their way into a government building and broke glass doors on their way in to protest a Bill about COVID Issues like Mask requirements.
Not only was nobody arrested and, not a single rubber bullet or tear gas canister thrown, but they eventually RELENTED and LET THEM ALL BE SEATED
So you’ve met Ammon Bundy and his clique how do like them so far?
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Our Postmaster General doesn't know how much it takes to mail a postcard. So he laughs it off, literally. Fuck this guy:
https://www.comicsands.com/katie-porter-louis-dejoy-questions-2647084819.html?fbclid=IwAR2UQXV3S90aNefSQbRlSNVLARHh2ZAm9CFdFIs-BK-oWHqZFvhr0WoNEyIAlso I just saw that Don Jr. called Biden a "Loch Ness Monster in a swamp" and all I can think/internally scream is: "LOCH NESS IS A LAKE, YOU ASSHOLE! DON'T YOU DARE USE NESSIE AS AN INSULT!!"
The Scots are not happy.
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Our Postmaster General doesn't know how much it takes to mail a postcard. So he laughs it off, literally. Fuck this guy:
Being a rich white guy who has other people do menial tasks for him will do that for you.
The Scots are not happy.
I would think they're still pissed over the bullshit with his father's golf course in Aberdeenshire.
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Mike Pompeo might be the worst public speaker I have ever heard at a political convention.
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Mike Pompeo might be the worst public speaker I have ever heard at a political convention.
Even one where Trump speaks every night of the convention?
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Trump is a bad speaker, but he is a great public speaker.
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^ At ginning up a bunch of stupid people and getting them to believe his bullshit you mean?
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I think the more damning thing about that lineup is there being only one black person and Nikki Haley.
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Are you really the desperate the try and defend the idiots within Antifa by acting like it's going to completely distract from the issues within the Police system?
I apologize for you being unable to acknowledge the faults in both systems without being all in on one at one time.
Here, let John Oliver break it down for you:
@John Oliver:
"If you're asking why a spontaneous, de-centralized protest can't control every one of its participants more than you are asking the same about a tax payer funded, heavily regimented, and paid work force, you can also in the words of this generation's Robert Frost 'Suck my dick and choke on it, fuck you.'"
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I would think they're still pissed over the bullshit with his father's golf course in Aberdeenshire.
Of course, but when you add degrading Nessie's name, then you get a SUPER pissed Scot.
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Lol poor Melania looked mortified speaking at the RNC. She clearly dislikes her husband, must have been difficult for her.
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Here, let John Oliver break it down for you:
Because I definitely said "control everyone one of its participants".
How does acknowledging the idiocy within Antifa (and preferably condemning it from bigger public names) instead of sweeping it under the rugs with minimalization, excuses and outright ignoring them translate into controlling all of them.
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Lol poor Melania looked mortified speaking at the RNC. She clearly dislikes her husband, must have been difficult for her.
She was supposedly recorded trashing trumpy and his kids recently, so…yeah. Imagine my shock that a mail order trophy wife dislikes the ogreish old man holding her leash.
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Watched Jr's girlfriend's speech earlier. They're really just going full on raving lunatic, huh?
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Funny thing I heard, but can't confirm, is that one if the Trumps isn't even related to Donald. @Kaba:
Okay, I don't care what side of the political aisle you're on, THIS is fucking perfect!
That is an insult to Rita Repulsa. She and her husband actually LIKED each other, even if t was, iirc, love potion induced.
Then again, getting Trump a new term basically IS "Make my monster grow!'
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I love John Oliver so fucking much.
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Last night a 17 year old from an entirely different state traveled to Wisconsin with a semi automatic weapon(illegal for him to have as a minor), went to the ongoing BLM protests, and shot and killed a protestor. When the crowd attacked him for killing someone, he killed ANOTHER person, and severely injured another.
He's been charged with first degree murder.
And the right wing is celebrating him as a HERO. For illegally possessing a weapon, traveling a whole state away, and killing two people in the name of "protecting property from violent looters". Right Wingers are claiming that it's "self defense" to travel to an area with a weapon you plan on using, and then using it.
I'm fucking sick of this shit. I'm physically sick and disgusted over people with this mentality.
And I have such little faith in the justice system of bringing justice.
Had he murdered two weeks earlier, this fuck would be a speaker at the RNC.
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Last night a 17 year old from an entirely different state traveled to Wisconsin with a semi automatic weapon(illegal for him to have as a minor), went to the ongoing BLM protests, and shot and killed a protestor. When the crowd attacked him for killing someone, he killed ANOTHER person, and severely injured another.
He's been charged with first degree murder.
And the right wing is celebrating him as a HERO. For illegally possessing a weapon, traveling a whole state away, and killing two people in the name of "protecting property from violent looters". Right Wingers are claiming that it's "self defense" to travel to an area with a weapon you plan on using, and then using it.
I'm fucking sick of this shit. I'm physically sick and disgusted over people with this mentality.
And I have such little faith in the justice system of bringing justice.
Had he murdered two weeks earlier, this fuck would be a speaker at the RNC.
How did he escape?
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@The:
How did he escape?
Not sure exactly. He allegedly fled back home to his home in Illinois where he was arrested and brought back to Wisconsin.
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Not sure exactly. He allegedly fled back home to his home in Illinois where he was arrested and brought back to Wisconsin.
In a just world the little bastard would get thrown back to the mob. Unarmed this time.
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Funny how it's the right wing mob that actually murders people, multiple times over time and space.
Now let's get back into why Antifa is a big scary problem that needs serious addressing: farrrrrrrrtttt
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When it comes to antifa, all I can say is I don't really care do you?
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@The:
How did he escape?
He walked over to where the cops were and they didn't pay attention to him, just told him to get out of there, even though people were saying he was the shooter.
So he just walked away.
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He walked over to where the cops were and they didn't pay attention to him, just told him to get out of there, even though people were saying he was the shooter.
So he just walked away.
So they'll definitely be charged with accessory or something, right? Right?