At 8:13, this is what the Muppets could have become if Disney had gone ahead with its Muppet stand in program in 2006:
The Muppets
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Those were mostly okay except for Kermit. He was way off.
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Cut him some slack, he has a frog in his throat.
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Vogel's Kermit has debuted:
And my thoughts:
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Eh, he's not bad. Would need to see him doing the crazy yells and stuff first though.
Mostly its sour because of how the transition happened. If it had been a legit passing of the torch there'd be nothing to even talk about.
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I will say that at least he moves like Kermit; Vogel is definitely no slouch when it comes to puppeteering, and if he can even somewhat passably imitate the voice, I guess he's the best man for the job. But really, I just can't stand his voice for most of the character's he's replaced over the years. His Big Bird and Robin are plain awful, while Floyd and the Count are adequate at best. Uncle Deadly is great, and Constantine, played as a purposely bad Kermit impressionist, is worth a chuckle. But I can't buy him as the real, bona fide Kermit, even if it were legit. It's not gonna happen for me. He just sounds like any of the other numerous imitators of the kind of Kermit voice one would expect.
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So . . . . they're back. Again.
https://tvweb.com/muppets-tv-reboot-2019-disney-streaming-service/Let us pray that Disney has learned their lesson and won't try to turn them into fucking The Office.
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So . . . . they're back. Again.
https://tvweb.com/muppets-tv-reboot-2019-disney-streaming-service/Let us pray that Disney has learned their lesson and won't try to turn them into fucking The Office.
It does say in the article that, that was the reason the last show got canceled….so they can come up p with another reason at the very least to get the ax.
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So . . . . they're back. Again.
https://tvweb.com/muppets-tv-reboot-2019-disney-streaming-service/Let us pray that Disney has learned their lesson and won't try to turn them into fucking The Office.
i'm glad that the Muppets are coming back for round two. but i'm also worried about how its gonna work. i meant, true the office vibe didn't work, but having Kermit and Miss Piggy breaking up and all the awkwardness that followed is what tuned me out of the show.
here's hoping they get it right the second time around.
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The Muppets doing The Office could have worked.
Except they actually treated it like the office and played it deadpan and did weird emotional issues and dating problems that were super decidedly not Muppety.
Moving Piggy to be the host of a late night talk show was perfectly the right move to make though, the same way variety shows were the thing in the 70's, they should have just focused on that aspect.
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Late Night with Ms. Piggy should have been the fuckin' show
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Great to hear theirs going to be a New Muppet Show :D
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Moving Piggy to be the host of a late night talk show was perfectly the right move to make though, the same way variety shows were the thing in the 70's, they should have just focused on that aspect.
Late Night with Ms. Piggy should have been the fuckin' show
like how do you mess up a perfect set up for a variety skit show like thatI would have LOVED to have a real Miss Piggy talk show. They are to us what variety shows were then, it just makes sense.
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I just want another Muppet movie tbh. Most Wanted was a blast and left me wanting more
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What if the new show was about The Muppets making the 2015 show? You could have The Muppets be frustrated with their new show ripping off The Office. They could be frustrated with the adult jokes not gelling with their past shows and movies. You could retcon the divorce to being a publicity stunt and Kermit and Miss Piggy were mandated by ABC to stay in character in their public lives. You could continue where the 2011 movie left off on the Muppets being irrelevant and studios not knowing what to do with them. But do the new show in a more Muppety way.
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No, if a joke doesn't work, you don't dwell on the joke to try and explain it and make it work, you move on and do a different joke.
But yeah, that's another sign that the people on the 2015 show were wrong for it… when they thought "Kermit and Piggy break up is a perfect advertising point!"
They've been a broken couple for 50 years, leave em be.
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No, if a joke doesn't work, you don't dwell on the joke to try and explain it and make it work
Wait, what? Make it work? Make the 2011 jokes work? Dear lord, Robby, how do you read that from what I said? No no no, just a show that's entirely them backstage dealing with substandard material.
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Because referencing and dwelling on the previous failure won't make it better, and lingering on it, even to make fun of it, doesn't help anything.
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Nobody wants to remember Office Muppets. At most make a Miss Piggy Late Show, and do a whole new spin.
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The office series was far from perfect, but I thought the dryer sense of humor was a refreshing change of pace from the writing of the movies and the new YT shorts that, to me, try to be funny, energetic and nostalgic but ring hollow and derivative most of the time. The series, for better or worse, did its own thing and tried to expand on the characters. I liked the eps centered on Gonzo, Scooter and the fabulous Uncle Deadly, the small bits with Rowlf, Chip and Angry Carl, and enjoyed how already irreverent chacters like S&W, Rizzo, Pepe and the band could work just a little more blue.
On another note, they're really sticking with Matt Vogel's Kermit, are they? He wasn't so awful in the live show, but I have liked none of his on-camera work up to now, and if Whitmire's still out, I don't think I'll be able to handle yet another subpar Muppet production.
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Someone needs to hold a seance to summon the spirit of Jim Henson for advice.
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Someone needs to hold a seance to summon the spirit of Jim Henson for advice.
"Hmm…I don't know. Stick to Christmas specials. Those were usually pretty great."
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Muppets are always good. Even Muppets From Space was goof fun I'd say.
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Muppets are always good. Even Muppets From Space was goof fun I'd say.
I'd agree with you.
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Muppets are always good. Even Muppets From Space was goof fun I'd say.
Mainly just the DVD Commentary Track:
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I for one, would love another literary classic turned into a Muppet movie. Treasure Island and Christmas Carol are still my favorites.
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I for one, would love another literary classic turned into a Muppet movie.
Tom Sawyer
Don Quixote
Gulliver's Travels
Alice in Wonderland
The Great Gatsby
1984
Animal Farm
Of Mice and Men
Catcher in the Rye
Lolita -
Tom Sawyer
Don Quixote
Gulliver's Travels
Alice in Wonderland
The Great Gatsby
1984
Animal Farm
Of Mice and Men
Catcher in the Rye
LolitaTom Sawyer? Sure. Don Quixote? Sure. Gulliver's Travels? Sure. I'd skip the rest.
Also they already did Alice in Wonderland in The Muppet Show.
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THey also did Wizard of Oz as a full length thing. Was a tv movie though so….
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I could see Muppet Tom Sawyer having some issues.
Muppet Huck Finn more so.
I'm mainly in for Muppet James Joyce's Ulysses.
And Muppet Lolita, featuring Janice?
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Me and some coworkers joked that with Disney remaking its classics, that the Pinocchio remake should feature the Muppets with the twist being it's about a real boy trying to become a puppet.
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Me and some coworkers joked that with Disney remaking its classics, that the Pinocchio remake should feature the Muppets with the twist being it's about a real boy trying to become a puppet.
wasn't this the original idea for the 2011 movie?
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Muppet Huck Finn more so.
Huck Finn I don't see getting a Disney movie of any kind any time soon.
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Huck Finn I don't see getting a Disney movie of any kind any time soon.
the wacky adventures of Huck Finn and his pal, Muppet Jim
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Huck Finn I don't see getting a Disney movie of any kind any time soon.
Eh, it's been twenty-five years since their last one.
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im surprised no one posted this yet.
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Annnnndddd . . . . where the hell are Scooter and Skeeter? What the hell is that purple penguin?
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im surprised no one posted this yet.
… Damn you, I purposely did not post about the muppet babies as I want to forget about that show. I really can't decide which I disliked more... office-style/'reality' style Muppets or the animated Muppet Babies. Neither lived up to the humor of the Muppets and was more like poor attepmts at a cash cow.
Annnnndddd . . . . where the hell are Scooter and Skeeter? What the hell is that purple penguin?
that purple penguin was original character for the M.Babies. I think Scooter was finally introduced later on. I can't remember if Skeeter was though as it focused mostly on some of the most popular characters while ignoring some of the others.
I don't remember seeing Dr. Bunsen Burner & Beaker, Sam the Bald Eagle, The Mad Bomber, Doc, Floyd & Janice (despite they were bandmates with Animal). -
I've heard it claimed that the main people at the Jim Henson Company really dislike Skeeter as a character since they view her as corporate meddling. If nothing else, the people who made the BOOM! Comics series had to jump through a bunch of hoops to even use her for a story arc to the point that her name only appears once in a letter at the very end of a series which made a point of being presented as a "non-canon" story.
So you had multiple sequences where she was just referred to as "Scooter's/your sister".
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Scooter (and Rowlf) made sense in the 80's when they were some of the big names (note that they were also amongst the group that were seen as babies in the Muppet Take Manhattan part that inspired the original Muppet Babies), but their retirement (out of respect for then recently deceased Jim Henson and Richard Hunt, who played them*) has made them less known, and they haven't had any big parts since they were brought back and probably aren't well known with kids.
And because there's no Scooter, Skeeter doesn't really make sense. But the Muppets do have a bad male-female ratio, so they just invented a new one again (alas poor Janice).
- They couldn't do that with Kermit of course, because he's "the" Muppet.
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I'll take a purple penguin over Skeeter any day. Even when I was a kid it was obvious she was put in for pure padding. Also, after what Robot Chicken did to her, well…
Shame to not have Rowlf though, he was always my favorite but I guess he's kind of one-note as... piano player.
Opening really loses something without random Indiana Jones and Star Wars footage though.
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Rowlf had the same problem as Tim did on the Magic School Bus; they were level-headed straight men compared to their peers, but that probably made it harder for the writers because it wasn't in their personality to initiate conflict or fight against it (unlike, Kermit who as a leader with a temper if pushed too hard, has to do so), so they come across as bland. And thinking about it more, I don't remember Rowlf having much of a role in the backstage plotlines in The Muppet Show, which is not a point in his favor.
Scooter suffered a similar problem when he went from being a product of nepotism and the abuse of it to a more respectable guy Kermit could rely on to help run the show. I want to say they changed his personality for Muppet Babies by making him nerdier and less social, but I could be misremembering things.
The main Muppets have been Kermit, Piggy, Fozzie, and Gonzo since forever basically, with Rizzo, Pepe, or Walter having a bigger part depending on what year it is, but none have really stayed there because their not as well defined or become less popular. Animal just happens to be popular with kids because he's the Taz of the group, so it makes sense to keep him.
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How can we neglect Rowlf when we have THIS?
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There's a difference between him being in the skits, and him being a personality that interacts with the cast backstage. (and then had whatever backstage baggage carry into the skits.)
I mean, Pigs in Space had three characters but do you know the names of the two that aren't Miss Piggy?
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Opening really loses something without random Indiana Jones and Star Wars footage though.
Not to mention the charm that came from having the babies sing the theme song. :/
The new one just sounds so… corporate.
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The new show's shorts are a little on the tepid side, and I find Gonzo's fascination with canned peaches slightly disturbing. But the characters do seem likable enough, and the animation is actually really nice in how they are all visibly fuzzy and move their mouths in a puppet-esque way.
Really though, it's a bit more like "Muppet Toddlers" than "Muppet Babies" at this point, and the original kids were already pushing 2 to 3.
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I don't remember seeing Dr. Bunsen Burner & Beaker, Sam the Bald Eagle, The Mad Bomber, Doc, Floyd & Janice (despite they were bandmates with Animal).
I know Bunsen gets a song. Others, including our favorite non-canonical twin, get cameos as photos around the house:
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Dr. Teeth and Sam being the same age as the rest seems really off to me.
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The new show's shorts are a little on the tepid side, and I find Gonzo's fascination with canned peaches slightly disturbing. But the characters do seem likable enough, and the animation is actually really nice in how they are all visibly fuzzy and move their mouths in a puppet-esque way.
Really though, it's a bit more like "Muppet Toddlers" than "Muppet Babies" at this point, and the original kids were already pushing 2 to 3.
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I know Bunsen gets a song. Others, including our favorite non-canonical twin, get cameos as photos around the house:
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Ah thanks for those images. As for Gonzo's disturbing obsessions - Obsessions is part of his personality. In the original it came off as something that as a kid I couldn't name it just disturbed me but as an adult I can say "Gonzo had a kink for Chickens."
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Ah thanks for those images. As for Gonzo's disturbing obsessions - Obsessions is part of his personality. In the original it came off as something that as a kid I couldn't name it just disturbed me but as an adult I can say "Gonzo had a kink for Chickens."
Yes, that hasn't escaped me. But canned peaches of all things?