Honestly this might just be me, but as an outside observer Biden seems a lot more….centrist/lukewarm on the things that needs to be done? His track record hasn't been progressive and honestly i have no idea how he got so far. I'm kind of disappointed but if it's anything he's miles ahead of trump, so is that literally his only selling point? I'm really pessimistic about this.
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So… Biden huh? Joe friggin Biden. When I thought the dems wouldn't go lower than Hillary here we are. Good luck with 4 more years of the fascist in the white house. Biden makes Trump sound like an eloquent speaker who knows his stuff. Why do I ever expect something good to come from American politics?
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Honestly this might just be me, but as an outside observer Biden seems a lot more….centrist/lukewarm on the things that needs to be done? His track record hasn't been progressive and honestly i have no idea how he got so far. I'm kind of disappointed but if it's anything he's miles ahead of trump, so is that literally his only selling point? I'm really pessimistic about this.
Obama specifically chose him as VP to appeal to more conservative voters. Biden hasn't won a primary state before now in his fourth(?) run I believe. Biden got so far because he was more conservative and now he rode on Obama's coattails.
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Obama specifically chose him as VP to appeal to more conservative voters. Biden hasn't won a primary state before now in his fourth(?) run I believe. Biden got so far because he was more conservative and now he rode on Obama's coattails.
Plus the whole "never Bernie" attitude of the dnc and msm didn't help. When the leaders of the party you're running to represent don't like or support you…it's always gonna be an uphill battle. And that's putting it lightly.
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just found out biden is the only candidate that supports a carbon tax, him being the nominee is definitely the best outcome now.
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The destruction is the easy part. But that type of attack won't make much of a dent in the structures that prop up the taliban. And as we've seen a foreign occupation isn't a great starting point for reshaping an alien culture
no need to reshape the culture what america needs to do is destroy the taliban's conventional force and cut off their sources of funding (opium trade and smuggling) and then leave the rest to the afghan government, this won't solve everything but it will stabilize the country to at least develop economically.
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no need to reshape the culture what america needs to do is destroy the taliban's conventional force and cut off their sources of funding (opium trade and smuggling) and then leave the rest to the afghan government, this won't solve everything but it will stabilize the country to at least develop economically.
also what structures are you talking aboutAfghanistan is a rural patchwork of a land fractured along ethnic, sectarian and regional lines, there is virtually no trust in the central government as there is no real national identity or thought about its people as a collective. Even at its best the current Afgan government have no chance in hell of claiming and controlling its land against the will of the various regional groupings, and it doesn't help that they are also corrupt to the core and incompetent to boot. Once the protective hand of the US military was removed the in-fighting would've ensued right away if a deal was not struck. As for destroying them it is hard to pin them down to begin with, and they have the benefit of a friendly border that they can escape across as well as allies who supply and provide for them, that and the circles of revenge that get born from killing peoples families. I mean lets play with the thought that you kill all their current men, but what about their brothers or sister, or their kids? Whats to stop them from picking up arms in revenge and spite. You can't win these things if you can't win the hearts of the people, which a foreign occupier raining death and destruction has little hope of doing.
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Without any of the charisma, yeah pretty much.
I was going to say that’s not charisma then I remember even Grade S assholes like Hitler and Stalin had it.
Wow. I did not expect this. I thought Sanders was looking really good, and that the moderates' consolidation strategy would work only to keep Biden viable today. Instead Biden has become the clear frontrunner and Sanders has really been knocked down.
I don't see this a result of the DNC strategy. It's too much of a lead for Biden for that to be the case. Bernie or Busters better get their heads straight right now.
It makes you wonder what would’ve happened had Biden jumped in, in 2016.
I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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In 2016, a lot of Bernie supporters considered Biden an acceptable compromise.
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It's a type of charisma that only works on stupid people, lol.
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Well do I ever have to eat my words. It seems I overestimated campaigning based on this article that said Biden untill recently hadn't even campaigned in a single tuesday state
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/us/politics/joe-biden-california-super-tuesday.html
To my knowledge Bernie campaigned hard in those states and had massive grassroots support with boots on the ground and phone banking up the wazoo, also he had unlimited funds were Biden was running dry untill very recently. It really baffles me that apparently campaigning isn't worth jack fucking shit. You can throw all the money down the toilet and don't bother campaigning, it doesn't matter.
I had a lot of respect for the newer generation but turns out they're as useless as the boomers. I've always voted since I was 18 so it really surprises me just how little young people vote. Some states had a slow as 8-10% youth turnout. Older people vote dumb and younger people don't even vote. Yay democracy. -
I did a bunch of soul searching and came to the realization that while I personally would absolutely vote for Biden over Trump, a vote for Biden is itself immoral and I think deep down most informed people know that.
Voting for a braindead monkey in the hope that he'll somehow be able to overpower an established populist ruler and go on to act as a puppet of the rich for eight years before being replaced by the likely much more dangerous successor of said populist is just not an acceptable or realistic compromise in any democracy.
What we need right now is for a "never Biden" coalition between Bernie and Warren supporters to work together to spread evidence of Biden's failing mind and problematic history to his base, hopefully dissuading them from supporting him in future primaries.
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I did a bunch of soul searching and came to the realization that while I personally would absolutely vote for Biden over Trump, a vote for Biden is itself immoral and I think deep down most informed people know that.
Voting for a braindead monkey in the hope that he'll somehow be able to overpower an established populist ruler and go on to act as a puppet of the rich for eight years before being replaced by the likely much more dangerous successor of said populist is just not an acceptable or realistic compromise in any democracy.
What we need right now is for a "never Biden" coalition between Bernie and Warren supporters to work together to spread evidence of Biden's failing mind and problematic history to his base, hopefully dissuading them from supporting him in future primaries.
And this is why Dems always fuck up. "Immoral" my ass. Get rid of Trump first and worry about "morality" later. Morality in politics is a whole different animal and it has always been so. A wonder how people still aren't getting that.
As for Biden, I'm not that surprised to see him become the frontrunner, even though I thought Sanders would be a bit more succesful on Super Tuesday. Policy-wise he's to be preferred over Trump in any case but domestically and regaring foreign policy (speaking as a non-American here), but I'm concerned about his missteps. Though tbh, I haven't watched any of his normale speeches, so people might exaggerate here a bit.
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I had a lot of respect for the newer generation but turns out they're as useless as the boomers. I've always voted since I was 18 so it really surprises me just how little young people vote. Some states had a slow as 8-10% youth turnout. Older people vote dumb and younger people don't even vote. Yay democracy.
I can't speak for every state, but I read a lot of complaints about how hours-long voting lines and closed polling places in Hispanic areas of Texas kept a lot of young people with jobs from voting on a work day.
It's not just millennials being lazy.
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I did a bunch of soul searching and came to the realization that while I personally would absolutely vote for Biden over Trump, a vote for Biden is itself immoral and I think deep down most informed people know that.
Voting for a braindead monkey in the hope that he'll somehow be able to overpower an established populist ruler and go on to act as a puppet of the rich for eight years before being replaced by the likely much more dangerous successor of said populist is just not an acceptable or realistic compromise in any democracy.
What we need right now is for a "never Biden" coalition between Bernie and Warren supporters to work together to spread evidence of Biden's failing mind and problematic history to his base, hopefully dissuading them from supporting him in future primaries.
Sorry blue, most Americans just don't want things like free healthcare, a living wage, and affordable higher education it seems. Oh well, I for kne can't wait for the slap fights between the senile biden and straight up just stupid trumpy. Hooray for mush brains!
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I had a lot of respect for the newer generation but turns out they're as useless as the boomers. I've always voted since I was 18 so it really surprises me just how little young people vote. Some states had a slow as 8-10% youth turnout. Older people vote dumb and younger people don't even vote. Yay democracy.
I can't understand how they aren't fired up to vote. I mean, as a 19 year old in 2008, I was really fired up from the Bush presidency to vote for Obama.
Now there is sheer complacency in the face of fascism.
My faith in America took a huge hit the day of the 2016 election, but now it's taking a whole new hit. People just don't care, and somehow not caring is seen as an admirable trait. Like at my workplace, whenever we're on break and the news of the election comes up everyone just wants it turned off because they don't care, they don't pay attention. Granted, they could not be wanting to get into it at work, but they seem pretty sincere in not caring.
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And this is why Dems always fuck up. "Immoral" my ass. Get rid of Trump first and worry about "morality" later. Morality in politics is a whole different animal and it has always been so. A wonder how people still aren't getting that.
He has to win and be capable of leading the country.
I don't believe he could beat Pence, let alone Trump.
This isn't a Hillary situation where the politician is corrupt and sketchy.
If he makes it to the general election he'll be the weakest and least capable Democratic nominee of our lifetime.As for Biden, I'm not that surprised to see him become the frontrunner, even though I thought Sanders would be a bit more succesful on Super Tuesday. Policy-wise he's to be preferred over Trump in any case but domestically and regaring foreign policy (speaking as a non-American here), but I'm concerned about his missteps. Though tbh, I haven't watched any of his normale speeches, so people might exaggerate here a bit.
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I mean, i think Bernie is great, Warren is great. Either of those 2 would be fantastic for more progressive policies, but i haven't seen Biden do anything of remark that helps booster that point. I think if anything people should definitely go out and vote for him irregardless but i'm just struggling to think about what exactly he'll bring to the table.
Apologies if i seem negative but that's just how it feels to me. The presidency isn't the end of it all, but given how little room it has shifted there doesn't seem to be much room for optimism.
I did a bunch of soul searching and came to the realization that while I personally would absolutely vote for Biden over Trump, a vote for Biden is itself immoral and I think deep down most informed people know that.
Voting for a braindead monkey in the hope that he'll somehow be able to overpower an established populist ruler and go on to act as a puppet of the rich for eight years before being replaced by the likely much more dangerous successor of said populist is just not an acceptable or realistic compromise in any democracy.
What we need right now is for a "never Biden" coalition between Bernie and Warren supporters to work together to spread evidence of Biden's failing mind and problematic history to his base, hopefully dissuading them from supporting him in future primaries.
Biden will stop the huge-ass dumpster fire that Trump and his cronies have already started. I don't need to see 4 more years of that and i really really hope people have the commonsense to see that. Vote for Biden, but at the same time push for more progressive candidates in your senate and house.
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The sheer turnout boost is amazing coming from 2016 and also illustrates that caucuses are worthless.
The Obama coalition has returned it seems.
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I can't understand how they aren't fired up to vote. I mean, as a 19 year old in 2008, I was really fired up from the Bush presidency to vote for Obama.
Now there is sheer complacency in the face of fascism.
My faith in America took a huge hit the day of the 2016 election, but now it's taking a whole new hit. People just don't care, and somehow not caring is seen as an admirable trait. Like at my workplace, whenever we're on break and the news of the election comes up everyone just wants it turned off because they don't care, they don't pay attention. Granted, they could not be wanting to get into it at work, but they seem pretty sincere in not caring.
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I can't speak for every state, but I read a lot of complaints about how hours-long voting lines and closed polling places in Hispanic areas of Texas kept a lot of young people with jobs from voting on a work day.
It's not just millennials being lazy.
Every election is a "OH BOY THE YOUTH VOTE IS SURE GONNA COME THIS YEAR" and it never. ever. happens.
If your strategy is entirely dependent on the youth vote and not, you know, going to the well that actually shows up (old black people, suburban women), you're screwed and picked a bad strategy.
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Every election is a "OH BOY THE YOUTH VOTE IS SURE GONNA COME THIS YEAR" and it never. ever. happens.
If your strategy is entirely dependent on the youth vote and not, you know, going to the well that actually shows up (old black people, suburban women), you're screwed and picked a bad strategy.
I'm just somewhat curious as to why the demographics you mentioned tend to vote for the establishment candidates (Hillary/Biden) rather than others tho. It's strange from an outsider's perspective, won't they look at the candidate's track record instead?
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I don't think the Bernie campaign was even all-in on the youth vote. They did plenty of campaigning for other demographics, but to no avail.
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I'm just somewhat curious as to why the demographics you mentioned tend to vote for the establishment candidates (Hillary/Biden) rather than others tho. It's strange from an outsider's perspective, won't they look at the candidate's track record instead?
Party loyalty is not unlike religion here.
The older voters spend a lot of time watching and reading news sources aligned with their party (Fox, MSNBC) which always bend the truth to promote the candidates the party leadership wants most.Both parties take in tons of money from the super wealthy so they generally want to give back to their financial backers in some way.
Those backers simultaneously support their favored candidates directly (or indirectly if you can really call Super PACs that) so there's a very clear incentive for the party to team up with their rich benefactors at the expense of any candidates and voters who disagree with them.Knowing this, a lot of candidates naturally endorse and promote ideas that they know the rich want…
You get where this is going.It's one big incestuous mess of bribery and brainwashing.
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I'm just somewhat curious as to why the demographics you mentioned tend to vote for the establishment candidates (Hillary/Biden) rather than others tho. It's strange from an outsider's perspective, won't they look at the candidate's track record instead?
Because of the track record of being fair, decent, and popular to the core base (again, old black people). Biden is an old white man who willingly and happily acted as the sidekick to a young black man (the most popular political figure in the country at that), a dynamic almost completely unseen in American politics. He's also incredibly good at one-on-one interactions with his constituents, capable of connecting with them and remembers astounding things regarding them. Biden, like all national Dem pols who know how the party works, also knows to make inroads with civil rights leaders (He at least knows when to show up to Selma.) They don't care that he spoke at Strom Thurmond's funeral. They care that he marched at Selma this week.
There's also just the certainty. They know, broadly, how a pol like Biden will govern. They know he knows the levers, they believe he has good judgement, and more to the point in consideration of the last 4 years, know he won't start a goddamn international incident on twitter.
Bernie's problem, and one that was always always, going to sink his campaign, was an incredibly odd refusal to actually work on connecting with the party base. His strategy legit seems to have been "hold at 30%, win a plurality while the black vote is divided between Biden, Warren, Harris, et al, and then pray for the youth vote" which was just a recipe for failure. You cannot win the Democratic nomination without support of the black base. You simply can't.
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Also Bloomberg decided to fuck off. Apparently the full throated support of America's heartland, Samoa, wasn't enough for him.
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Bloomberg Dropped out and after Super Tuesday Tulsi has only managed to get One delegate.
The only choices I was legitimately worried about aren't a factor anymore.
Biden for me is not ideal but acceptable especially if he picks a solid VP. Maybe Beto? Warren or Bernie would be even better? (Probably Warren, she's younger)
Now we get 8 years of Biden and during that time seed a shitload more progressive Dems like "The Squad" into congress so by the time we have to vote for a whole new president, we can maybe get a true progressive in office who also has a progressive wing in congress that is sizable enough to throw some weight around and get shit done.
The turnout for young voters was actually LOWER than it was last time for Bernie.
I wonder if all the Bernie supporters shouting "IT'S RIGGED! THE MSM AND DNC HATE BERNIE! THEY'RE GOING TO FORCE HIM TO FAIL!!" backfired on them?
Like, I wonder if that caused too many people to go "Well, if it's rigged I might as well just stay home."
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Biden for me is not ideal but acceptable especially if he picks a solid VP. Maybe Beto? Warren or Bernie would be even better? (Probably Warren, she's younger)
Harris. The KHive deserves a bone after the shit they went through.
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The sheer turnout boost is amazing coming from 2016 and also illustrates that caucuses are worthless.
The Obama coalition has returned it seems.
Biden seems to have succeeded where Hillary infamously failed: replace rural whites with more suburban whites.
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Biden seems to have succeeded where Hillary infamously failed: replace rural whites with more suburban whites.
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Party loyalty is not unlike religion here.
The older voters spend a lot of time watching and reading news sources aligned with their party (Fox, MSNBC) which always bend the truth to promote the candidates the party leadership wants most.Both parties take in tons of money from the super wealthy so they generally want to give back to their financial backers in some way.
Those backers simultaneously support their favored candidates directly (or indirectly if you can really call Super PACs that) so there's a very clear incentive for the party to team up with their rich benefactors at the expense of any candidates and voters who disagree with them.Knowing this, a lot of candidates naturally endorse and promote ideas that they know the rich want…
You get where this is going.It's one big incestuous mess of bribery and brainwashing.
I mean, i get it but that doesn't really determine why people turned out to vote for Biden moreso compared to others.
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Because of the track record of being fair, decent, and popular to the core base (again, old black people). Biden is an old white man who willingly and happily acted as the sidekick to a young black man (the most popular political figure in the country at that), a dynamic almost completely unseen in American politics. He's also incredibly good at one-on-one interactions with his constituents, capable of connecting with them and remembers astounding things regarding them. Biden, like all national Dem pols who know how the party works, also knows to make inroads with civil rights leaders (He at least knows when to show up to Selma.) They don't care that he spoke at Strom Thurmond's funeral. They care that he marched at Selma this week.
There's also just the certainty. They know, broadly, how a pol like Biden will govern. They know he knows the levers, they believe he has good judgement, and more to the point in consideration of the last 4 years, know he won't start a goddamn international incident on twitter.
Bernie's problem, and one that was always always, going to sink his campaign, was an incredibly odd refusal to actually work on connecting with the party base. His strategy legit seems to have been "hold at 30%, win a plurality while the black vote is divided between Biden, Warren, Harris, et al, and then pray for the youth vote" which was just a recipe for failure. You cannot win the Democratic nomination without support of the black base. You simply can't.
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Also Bloomberg decided to fuck off. Apparently the full throated support of America's heartland, Samoa, wasn't enough for him.
I think those are fair points, thanks for explaining. It's just that i get the impression that young people who tend to be more vocal (which can be a bubble by itself) really don't dig him as much, and see the establishment as something that's very entrenched in money politics and Wall Street. Maybe mandatory voting for all should be done, haha.
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I really, really doubt we get 8 years of Biden. The Presidency ages people like crazy and he'd be the oldest president yet. No way he runs at 82.
He also desperately needs to offer the progressive wing an olive branch. My biggest fear for Biden's run is that he continues to push to the center instead of looking to energize dejected progressives. I really, really hope he picks a young, vibrant voice who can appeal to progressives (and survive being excoriated by Bernie purists) instead of going with Time Kane 2.0.
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I'm still trying to work out American Samoa's vote in my head.
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Did the island just collectively agree to vote Bloomberg for the laughs because they don't matter in the big picture and 95% of other Americans don't even know they exist?
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I mean, i get it but that doesn't really determine why people turned out to vote for Biden moreso compared to others.
The Democratic base still likes Obama and remembers him fondly from his time as VP.
He's sadly no longer capable of leading, but the media's done a good job of hiding that.His only real competition, Bernie, is seen as an extremist with crazy, violent followers who want to burn the country down.
That's pretty much it.
A lot of people really believe this:
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The best thing Joe can do is pick a young progressive VP, win the presidency, and then immediately resign.
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I may be an outsider, but on a fundamental level, I have no idea what Bidens policy is except "remember Obama? I knew that guy!"
Whereas with Sanders, I can 100% get his energy and health care policies. Especially the latter; as a filthy socialist scandinavian, I simply cannot grasp the idea of NOT embracing universal healthcare. To me, its as bizarre as if "Should you have access to drinking water" was a hot political topic.
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If Bernie got the nom, somehow won, and somehow got us to 51 Senate seats (and considering he's shit at downballot, seems doubtful), whatever health care proposal gets passed would still be whatever Joe Manchin views as sufficient.
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If Bernie got the nom, somehow won, and somehow got us to 51 Senate seats (and considering he's shit at downballot, seems doubtful), whatever health care proposal gets passed would still be whatever Joe Manchin views as sufficient.
Admittedly I always put a lot of Bernie's more expensive promises in the same category as Trump's wall.
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Whereas with Sanders, I can 100% get his energy and health care policies. Especially the latter; as a filthy socialist scandinavian, I simply cannot grasp the idea of NOT embracing universal healthcare. To me, its as bizarre as if "Should you have access to drinking water" was a hot political topic.
But Daz, hasn't your country gone bankrupt due to its exorbitant costs? And aren't people dying by the thousands because of the long wait times? And aren't even more people dying because your government is systematically euthanizing invalids and undesirables as Hitler did? (no joke, someone once argued that last point to me)
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But Daz, hasn't your country gone bankrupt due to its exorbitant costs? And aren't people dying by the thousands because of the long wait times? And aren't even more people dying because your government is systematically euthanizing invalids and undesirables as Hitler did? (no joke, someone once argued that last point to me)
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He has to win and be capable of leading the country.
I don't believe he could beat Pence, let alone Trump.
This isn't a Hillary situation where the politician is corrupt and sketchy.
If he makes it to the general election he'll be the weakest and least capable Democratic nominee of our lifetime.He can win if people vote for him when he's in the race! As for him being borderline senile, that's why he'll have a VP. If it's about getting Trump out of office, uniting behind one candidate surely isn't rocket science.
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I may be an outsider, but on a fundamental level, I have no idea what Bidens policy is except "remember Obama? I knew that guy!"
Whereas with Sanders, I can 100% get his energy and health care policies. Especially the latter; as a filthy socialist scandinavian, I simply cannot grasp the idea of NOT embracing universal healthcare. To me, its as bizarre as if "Should you have access to drinking water" was a hot political topic.
I wish Biden was for M4A like Sanders and Warren, but the likelihood of a supreme court vacancy (or two!) in the next 4 years is high. RBG is awesome but she's getting up there.
So if it ends up him in the general, a Vote for Biden is a vote for M4A potentially in a few years
Letting Trump Win is a vote for M4A potentially in a few DECADES.The 5/4 Conservative lean on the court is bad enough RIGHT NOW but Thomas And Alito are definitely next up to retire after RBG and Breyer. Getting them out is imperative because ANYTHING progressive passed through congress and signed by a president can still be shot down by SCOTUS and that can happen in the next decade.
Letting Trump replace RBG and/or Breyer with conservatives means we have to wait like 30ish years for Trump's (Relatively) younger picks to age into retirement (or death)
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He can win if people vote for him when he's in the race! As for him being borderline senile, that's why he'll have a VP. If it's about getting Trump out of office, uniting behind one candidate surely isn't rocket science.
In case it's playing a role in calling Biden senile, I think it should be noted that he, I've heard anyway, has a legitimate speech impediment. I think a stutter.
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I really, really doubt we get 8 years of Biden. The Presidency ages people like crazy and he'd be the oldest president yet. No way he runs at 82.
He also desperately needs to offer the progressive wing an olive branch. My biggest fear for Biden's run is that he continues to push to the center instead of looking to energize dejected progressives. I really, really hope he picks a young, vibrant voice who can appeal to progressives (and survive being excoriated by Bernie purists) instead of going with Time Kane 2.0.
There were reports that Biden was potentially looking at a single term with his vp being there one who'd run in 2024. I'll see if I can find the article
Edit: I stand corrected. There were rumors of that in December, but Biden's campaign seems to have denied them
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He can win if people vote for him when he's in the race! As for him being borderline senile, that's why he'll have a VP. If it's about getting Trump out of office, uniting behind one candidate surely isn't rocket science.
That doesn't stop him from being the face and heart of the campaign. That is what any president is supposed to be. In case people haven't realized, the American constitution has become so completely warped since FDR's days that the president is more of an elected omnipotent king than what it was supposed to be when the constitution was written. Surely if the goal is to remove Trump from office you should present the most capable and inspiring figure possible that can actually unite the party and the country around his policies and leadership qualities. Not an incapable blob that fucks up every time he opens his mouth, expecting that his cabinet will actually do his job properly for him. Because that's essentially admitting that American democracy is dead and the party machines run things on autopilot regardless of what the face in charge is. Which is actually what most commentators actually expected and predicted of the Republican Party regarding Trump's administration. "He'll never pull off his radical rightwing crap, the establishment won't let him, the party won't listen to him." Look how that turned out.
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He can win if people vote for him when he's in the race! As for him being borderline senile, that's why he'll have a VP. If it's about getting Trump out of office, uniting behind one candidate surely isn't rocket science.
If Biden gets over 50% of the delegates then there's a decent chance of the party uniting behind him, if a bit unenthusiastically. I don't believe he has a real chance of winning in the general election, but there won't be a civil war over his nomination.
If he doesn't and the DNC uses super delegates to give him the nomination then a large chunk if not the majority of progressives are just going to abandon him.
I'll still vote for him because I want to reduce the risk of Trump getting reelected as much as possible at any cost, but he's fucked if that happens.
After the disaster in Iowa uniting the party is arguably going to be harder than rocket science, even with Trump as their common enemy.
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that really depends on what kind of life you want to live
I'm from Brazil. If I put 1 million american dollars in a savings account, the revenue from that alone would put me in the 2% top earners in the country.
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I wish Biden was for M4A like Sanders and Warren, but the likelihood of a supreme court vacancy (or two!) in the next 4 years is high. RBG is awesome but she's getting up there.
So if it ends up him in the general, a Vote for Biden is a vote for M4A potentially in a few years
Letting Trump Win is a vote for M4A potentially in a few DECADES.The 5/4 Conservative lean on the court is bad enough RIGHT NOW but Thomas And Alito are definitely next up to retire after RBG and Breyer. Getting them out is imperative because ANYTHING progressive passed through congress and signed by a president can still be shot down by SCOTUS and that can happen in the next decade.
Letting Trump replace RBG and/or Breyer with conservatives means we have to wait like 30ish years for Trump's (Relatively) younger picks to age into retirement (or death)
Honestly if Trump wins I think we should be more worried that he'll have the rest of the court and a chunk of congress secretly assassinated and pardon the killers.
If he ever leaves office he's going to jail anyway, and he gets away with everything.
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Also if you're not enthusiastic about throwing fascists out regardless of candidate, then go fuck yourself.
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In case it's playing a role in calling Biden senile, I think it should be noted that he, I've heard anyway, has a legitimate speech impediment. I think a stutter.
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There were reports that Biden was potentially looking at a single term with his vp being there one who'd run in 2024. I'll see if I can find the article
Edit: I stand corrected. There were rumors of that in December, but Biden's campaign seems to have denied them
Nah, it was about him spouting BS and calling people 'lying, dog-faced pony soldier'.
@Chrior:That doesn't stop him from being the face and heart of the campaign. That is what any president is supposed to be. In case people haven't realized, the American constitution has become so completely warped since FDR's days that the president is more of an elected omnipotent king than what it was supposed to be when the constitution was written. Surely if the goal is to remove Trump from office you should present the most capable and inspiring figure possible that can actually unite the party and the country around his policies and leadership qualities. Not an incapable blob that fucks up every time he opens his mouth, expecting that his cabinet will actually do his job properly for him. Because that's essentially admitting that American democracy is dead and the party machines run things on autopilot regardless of what the face in charge is. Which is actually what most commentators actually expected and predicted of the Republican Party regarding Trump's administration. "He'll never pull off his radical rightwing crap, the establishment won't let him, the party won't listen to him." Look how that turned out.
You make do with what you have. And of course he's not above all criticisms, but he's better than Trump on all fronts.
Biden was literally the turnout candidate yesterday. He won voters who stayed home in 2016 and created new pockets of support in longtime Republican allies. If enthusiasm is such a big decider, then Bernie would’ve won.
Is that true? If yes, then it's a very good sign.
And yeah, that's true. Just read an article about how people like to blame everything on the "Establishment", when it's just really about how democracy works: citizens vote for their favorites. And the people who are endorsed by their favorites.
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Not being Bernie Sanders its a great asset.
And Americans have always been this kind of 'iugh populism', so no surpises there.
You guys need to quit believing the real world is like Twitter and everyone is a progressive here.
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If Biden gets over 50% of the delegates then there's a decent chance of the party uniting behind him, if a bit unenthusiastically. I don't believe he has a real chance of winning in the general election, but there won't be a civil war over his nomination.
If he doesn't and the DNC uses super delegates to give him the nomination then a large chunk if not the majority of progressives are just going to abandon him.
Okay okay, wacky theory, but if that happens to be the case, what if the dem party nominated both Bernie and Biden as a dual presidency a lá the Roman's co-consuls? The Bernie radicals will never accept Bernie as VP (by the way, if Bernie is Biden's VP, what about new VP-VP in case both of them die??) It sounds crazy I know, but that's only because it is. The more I think about it, why not? It would be ludicrous and unprecedented, but it would create a legendary coalition to Jeb! the entire electoral map. It could seriously beat Trump.
Please I'm desperate. I want to believe. Someone tell me memes can be more than dreams.
