I don't. He just doesn't seem like the type of character to have it.
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I don't. He just doesn't seem like the type of character to have it.
Uuuuh. No. He is totally seems the type of character to have it.
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I don't. He just doesn't seem like the type of character to have it.
Neither does Katakuri or Chinjao :)
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They do to me because they were/are "leaders". Zoro is not.
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Rayleigh is a leader?
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Yes. He was officially "first mate" in his crew. Zoro is "combatant" in his.
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semantics. Luffy's crew is different than rogers, the strawhats don't need a first mate.
Edit: What does being a leader have to do with it at all?
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We don't know enough about Rayleigh, besides his position in the crew. As for Chinjao, it's in the damn title. He's the Don of their Happo Navy. Katakuri is one of the Sweet "Commanders," of the Big Mom Pirates and the consensus successor if she were to go down.
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I think "leaders" are the ones that get "conquerors haki" I don't think Zoro is a "leader".
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semantics. Luffy's crew is different than rogers, the strawhats don't need a first mate.
Edit: What does being a leader have to do with it at all?
It's the Haki possessed by those with the qualities of a king.
Zoro could get it, but I don't think he needs it.
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And I don't think Ace is really a leader but he had it too. Its whoever possesses qualities of a king not who is a "leader"
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Nami is the only leader figure worth mentioning in the strawhat crew
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Luffy is more of a leader than nami in the sense of people actually wanting to follow him. Nami may be a level headed figure of reason but she is in no sense a leader in the strawhat crew
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Zoro does not posses qualities of a king.
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then define qualities of a king, tell me how rayleigh has them and zoro doesn't.
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The only real common quality to characters with CoC is whether Oda wants/needs them to have it.
So does Oda want or need Zoro to get CoC?
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They lead. People follow them. Rayleigh's epithet was literally "Dark King".
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Every other character who is not Luffy has it for fanservice purposes only.
We're in the land of Zoro fanservice so…
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zoro has been shown to be able to "lead" when needed to, like in water 7. If you think that rayleigh did the actual leading of rogers crew you're wrong. Its very obvious that Roger and Luffy are similar in the sense that people just follow them. What makes rayleigh a leader. Other than teaching luffy haki, when does rayleigh lead people. And epithets mean literally nothing they call buggy the "genius jester"
buggy is a genius confirmed.
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Buggy is a genius. :ninja:
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Rayleigh showed excellent leadership by going upside Bugg-hanks head to get them to stop arguing about the poles. Another clear example for how a great leader should act is shown in Nami dope slapping Sauron and Sunkist to get them to stop metaphorically dick measuring everything that they do. Nami should get to ration all the ambition and the rest of the morons should be lucky to get a weekly allowance of it
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More importantly than anything thats been discussed here, today is Pandaman's birthday. You don't get this opportunity very often cuz he was born on a leap year… so wish him a happy birthday now
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I mean, Johnny, Yozaku, Yasuie and Hiyori, all quite followed Zoro.
kin'emon and Kanjuro made "Ok you can keep Shushui" faces, when he demolished Pica's Golem.So is really not that he doesnt get followed, he does, is just we weren't in the arc to make it happen by the masses.
Zoro is currently the person who brought back the beloved Shushui to this land, is currently holding a Katana that belonged to Oden, and whatever massively impressive thing Zoro's up to achieve here. is fair to claim, there won't be a single Samurai in Wano that won't fall for the Zoromania
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To me it always looked like he took out Monet with CoC. The way Monet was paralyzed by her fear of Zoro's strength at least seems very similar to it.
The SFX when Luffy unintentionally uses Haki on Amazon Lily and when Zoro attacks Monet are very similar as well.
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Too bad he has to share the love with Momonosuke. The true heir of Wano.
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Too bad he has to share the love with Momonosuke. The true heir of Wano.
Which does not invalidates hims from gaining bunchs of followers.
Which would make him very likely to develop it according to your logic.
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And I don't think Ace is really a leader but he had it too. Its whoever possesses qualities of a king not who is a "leader"
Ace was the leader of the Spade Pirates and the de facto leader of him, Sabo, and Luffy, plus he was a division commander in the whitebeard pirates…
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Which does not invalidates hims from gaining bunchs of followers.
Which would make him very likely to develop it according to your logic.
You seem to think their is no levels to it. Zoro being "followed" is not the same as Momonosuke being "followed". Momonosuke will become Shogun. Zoro will become the worlds greatest swordman. Only one of them will actually "lead".
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I mean, Johnny, Yozaku, Yasuie and Hiyori, all quite followed Zoro.
kin'emon and Kanjuro made "Ok you can keep Shushui" faces, when he demolished Pica's Golem.So is really not that he doesnt get followed, he does, is just we weren't in the arc to make it happen by the masses.
Zoro is currently the person who brought back the beloved Shushui to this land, is currently holding a Katana that belonged to Oden, and whatever massively impressive thing Zoro's up to achieve here. is fair to claim, there won't be a single Samurai in Wano that won't fall for the Zoromania
By that logic the G5 marines also "followed" Sanji.
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You seem to think their is no levels to it. Zoro being "followed" is not the same as Momonosuke being "followed". Momonosuke will become Shogun. Zoro will become the worlds greatest swordman. Only one of them will actually "lead".
Okay if leading is the requirement now, since they're all divided into factions I wouldnt be surpsised if Zoro gets to lead/command a group at some point.
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By that logic the G5 marines also "followed" Sanji.
I wouldn't surprised if Zoro get CoC just to parallel Rayleigh, but he's all but king-like, he's more of a lone ronin.Eeh com' on, several CoC users aren't kings.
Its more of having a great ambition. And Zoro's quite huge.
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Oh. So that's were we disagree. You think just having a great ambition is what gets you "conquerors haki". Okay. Well see.
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Oh. So that's were we disagree. You think just having a great ambition is what gets you "conquerors haki". Okay. Well see.
The way Chinjao put it, that's pretty much it.
Zoro's trying to be the king of the swordsmen.
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And Usopp "King of the Snipers". I guess he will get it too.
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Naw, that's invented by him, sort of King Soul of Brook.
Luffy and Zoro's goals are already there, and require a ton of ambition to achieve it.
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Everything starts somewhere. Usopp will be the first. And it is a great ambition.
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Difference relies in how challenging it is.
Since Usopp and Brook just randomly claimed to be it, zero challenge there.
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Surely you are not talking about the great captain Usopp who has 8000 followers
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Usopp claimed he will be "King of the snipers" not that he is already. I'm not sure if brook claimed to be "soul king" or if that was given to him.
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I'd say most of the strawhats are pretty ambitious. Drawing a map of the world? Revealing the true history of the world? Those are things literally nobody has ever done before.
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Usopp claimed he will be "King of the snipers" not that he is already. I'm not sure if brook claimed to be "soul king" or if that was given to him.
Well its a bit weird that he already calls himself like that, while Zoro and Luffy dont.
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I'd say most of the strawhats are pretty ambitious. Drawing a map of the world? Revealing the true history of the world? Those are things literally nobody has ever done before.
Yeah but finding All blue and meeting Laboon dont imply they have to overcome some stronger mofos out there.
Luffy and Zoro share this specific trait only.
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Luffy and Zoro's ambitions aren't really comparable though.
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Luffy and Zoro's ambitions aren't really comparable though.
Ehem, Luffy has to surpass every other pirate(and its implied he's even going to surpass Roger)
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you can compare literally anything but beyond just being the greatest I dont see many similarities between their goals
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Is not their goals, its what it requires them to achieve said goals.
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okay so the similarities are to surpass every other person right. What are the other similarities
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you can compare literally anything but beyond just being the greatest I dont see many similarities between their goals
They both have to beat the shit out of other people to accomplish their goal.
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They both have to beat the shit out of other people to accomplish their goal.
Does that not come with proving you have surpassed all other competition? If it doesn't, how would one prove that?
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And Usopp "King of the Snipers". I guess he will get it too.
Usopp lied about his Color of Conqueror to the Tontattas when the island shook. It's practically a done deal.
Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Usopp, all with CoC.
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okay so the similarities are to surpass every other person right. What are the other similarities
A great ass ambition to do so, and more interestingly, no other SH's dream so far implies beating up others.
That's why only Zoro would eventually develop CoC.