Yes, last jedi and ghostbuster 2016 are simply bad movies and it has nothing to do with women being involved. They are just badly written.
Marvel Movies Thread - Holy Shitballs
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I liked Last Jedi.
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Last Jedi was great. My second favorite Star Wars movie. Definitely out of left field tho, he went for something radically different from what most people wanted or expected.
As for the assholes whining online, I've been in the thick of this, and yes, it's misogyny and some regular ole bigotry mixed in too.
It mostly got drummed up because there's an actual campaign in comics right now called "ComicsGate" and yes, it's basically GamerGate for Comics. It's lead mostly by an Ex-DC artist who was fired for harassing coworkers and telling a fan to kill themselves. He instead claims he was fired because he's a conservative and spoke out against "SJWs" pushing diveristy down his throat. He now spends all of his time making videos of himself whining about Star Wars online, some of which include him sadistically mutilating and chopping up tons of Rose Tico action figures he bought a crate of.
Some of these whiny videos are dedicated to hating on Captain Marvel instead of Star Wars. His entire gripe is based on thinking it's too "SJW" and "Feminist" and hating that Carol isn't being used as eye candy to titillate the male viewers instead of being used to empower women viewers. So of course he's whipped up his followers into a frenzy, because yes Naturally he has a ton of angry reactionary fans who want diversity out of comics just like him.
They lead a deliberate review-bombing campaign on Captain Marvel.
They bragged as the number went down lower and then reposted a request for more people to help them review bomb it.
It was basically the equivalent of a 4chan raid.
It's dumb I have to specify this, but: If you just legit just aren't super jazzed about the movie, but aren't being an asshole about it, you're not included in the group I'm talking about, but there is definitely a mob of misogynistic assholes involved here greatly inflating, or in this case, Deflating the numbers
This was 100% the right call.
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as for GhostBusters, Remakes are oftenly hated just for the sake of being remakes, no need to throw all of the haters into the 'Anti-Females' bag, while noicy they were all still a minority, most people gave it a shot, the movie still sucked and that's what really matters.
The people that hated it the LOUDEST were anti-women douchbags. The people that STILL hate and talk about it are the same people. Everyone else moved on.
For Wonder Woman, same, some joined in the hating train just because Gal is a Jew, a dirty-palestinian-killing Jew, so it can easily be seen from there, the kind of idiots we're talking about.
Yes. And those are the SAME idiots that are mass downvoting Captain Marvel before its even out. That's what the discussion is. Who are these people hating the movie this much beforehand?
than cheap excuses like, 'three people hate woman leads out of Three Millions who liked it', but those three people ruined the movie's success!!
com' on.If it was only three sexist assholes there wouldn't be any discussion to be had at all and they'd be super easy to ignore.
There's… a lot more than that.
Yes, last jedi and ghostbuster 2016 are simply bad movies and it has nothing to do with women being involved. They are just badly written.
The hate on Ghostbusters is entirely about it being all women, long before it even came out. The actual movie was fine. Not great, but not terrible, not worth anywhere near the backlash its gotten. If it hadn't been called "Ghostbusters" there would have been no backlash and it would have come and gone with zero notice.
ANd Last Jedi was the same thing. It was fine. Not great, but not terrible, not worth anywhere near the backlash its gotten. It's biggest mistake was splitting up Rey and Finn who had all the chemistry in the first film, but oh well. In 20 years it'll be looked back on as the SW film that actually took risks and it'll be better liked.
Should I bring Mad Max: Fury Road in this discussion?
Probably. It's the same crowd of women haters being vocal.
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And Last Jedi was the same thing. It was fine. Not great, but not terrible, not worth anywhere near the backlash its gotten. It's biggest mistake was splitting up Rey and Finn who had all the chemistry in the first film, but oh well. In 20 years it'll be looked back on as the SW film that actually took risks and it'll be better liked.
The thing that irritates me the most about the Star Wars discourse is that this ruined the ability to talk about anything Star Wars without Last Jedi coming up.
TO THIS DAY I still see tweets like "Hey, what's your favorite Star Wars video game?" FILLED with replies like "None. I hate them all now that Last Jedi killed the franchise".
You can't escape it. It makes talking about anything Star Wars harder these days.
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aah, finally March. I can barely taste Captain Marvel
I got the feeling its release is gonna shut down the haters, 6 more days.
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The thing that irritates me the most about the Star Wars discourse is that this ruined the ability to talk about anything Star Wars without Last Jedi coming up.
TO THIS DAY I still see tweets like "Hey, what's your favorite Star Wars video game?" FILLED with replies like "None. I hate them all now that Last Jedi killed the franchise".
Well shit that's giving Star Wars Galaxies, Star Wars Kinect, and The Battlefront Duology some vindication if ever I saw it.
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What other franchises can Marvel use now that a bunch of there big names might quit? I heard Shang-Chi, Black Knight and the Eternals are in the discussion, can't really think of anything else? I guess Photon could get her own movie
what do you guys think?
EDIT: If they get X-men rights I would tots love to see a Beast and WonderMan buddy super hero movie
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Here’s some Heroes and Teams i would like for MCU Phase 4
Kamala Khan Ms Marvel
Slapstick
Darkhawk
Nextwave
Agents Of Atlas
Power Pack
Thunderbolts
Death's Head
Moon Knight
Kamen Rider OOOs
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What other franchises can Marvel use now that a bunch of there big names might quit? I heard Shang-Chi, Black Knight and the Eternals are in the discussion, can't really think of anything else? I guess Photon could get her own movie
what do you guys think?
Spiderman, Ant Man, Black Panther, Dr. Strange all have a couple films left. Thor seems willing to keep making films if they're fun like the last one was.
Iron Man is almost certainly 100% retired after Avengers 4. Downey has been the face of things but he seems pretty done.
As for other brands? They're getting XMen back but I'd really prefer the franchises stay seperate. Easy go to mutant powers dilutes the super power world, and the super power world conflicts with the racism metaphor. They're better seperate.
Howard the Duck. Do it like the actual comics and we have ourselves an apology for the old film. Plenty of B listers they could use, the Guardians were nothing prior.
Fantastic 4. We're due a good one that isn't Incredibles, dangit.
Namor. May have missed the boat with Aquaman out now, but…
KaZar. Lets get a jungle boy and some dinosaur action going on.
Nova/Adam Warlock- Space characters sort of set up by Guardians. We'll see how Captain Marvel goes.
Khamala Khan- Too early for the fourth Mrs. Marvel, but we can skip some of the inbetween baggage and get her sooner than later.
Spider Woman- Has nothing to do with Spiderman despite the name. Is more a street level character... would probably need a new name just to avoid confusion/legal.
Shang Chi- How he didn't end up in Iron Fist I dunno.
Moon Knight-Skitzo Batman Deadpool crazy guys. Could be fun.
She-Hulk- Same rights issues that keep them from doing full fledged Hulk movies may be an issue, but she can certainly fit.
Kingpin-Already on the Daredevll show but... he needs to meet Spiderman. Out of all the tv characters DD is the most fit to transition.
Man-Thing. He's their version of Swamp Thing. We're never getting a good Swamp Thing movie. SO... might as well? -
While i know it'd never happen in a million years i'd love to see a sergent fury and the howling commandos movie. I guess a massive bottleneck (other than that most people under the age of fifty ever read the comics) is that marvels Nick Fury is Samuel L Jackson and not y'know the world war two Nick Fury running around with a seegar and botched pronounciation.
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Here’s some Heroes and Teams i would like for MCU Phase 4
Kamala Khan Ms Marvel
Slapstick
Darkhawk
Nextwave
Agents Of Atlas
Power Pack
Thunderbolts
Death's Head
Moon KnightI don't recognize 99% of those.
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Y'know what i've always thought was strange? That they never did a Thor tales of Asgard type of movie or show. I loved those back stories in the old Thor comics were it was like 70/30 the old norse tales mixed with Lee and Kirbyisms. There's such a deep and rich well to draw from but they never seem to want to do so. Seems strange to me.
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I believe only Nova and Namor would be recognizable enough for the world to go on like 'oh yeh, those guys!!
All of the others seem like they would have trouble in their own market(USA) to be considered a movie for each.
heck, many people don't know who Adam Warlock is, the GOTG2 post credit scene went thru them with no meaning at all.Welvorine(now that Fox is on Disney's hands) might be on their plans, given the character's popularity and the fact that he is oftenly around with the Avengers or a plain member of some teams.
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The question is, can they recreate the success that they had with Guardians and convince a lot of people to spend money on characters that they have no familiarity with, or will the hype end up somewhat fizzling out after Endgame. I'd bet on the latter, but hope for the former.
I guess the third option is the Fox properties breathing new life into the universe. It's about time we had a great Dr. Doom at least. (I wish I could play him)
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It is the Guardians of the Universe factor, when in doubt add a bunch of manbabies held together by a strong independant woman.
Meaning a group of the less famous heroes can work while they are charismatic enough, and have at least one goal oriented member.
Also add nostalgia and space, to be sure.
Just hire Gunn back.
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Didn't he get outed as a pedophile or something? Maybe i'm mixing him up with someone else.
On another note i could see something being done with Blade and Morbius and that horror lot
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Didn't he get outed as a pedophile or something? Maybe i'm mixing him up with someone else.
On another note i could see something being done with Blade and Morbius and that horror lot
James Gunn? Someone dug up a whole bunch of extremely inappropriate jokes he'd made on Twitter. Ten years ago. Which he had already apologized for. Which Disney surely must have known about when they hired him because that was what he was known for pre-GotG. His firing was entirely unjustified and reflects really poorly on Disney.
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James Gunn? Someone dug up a whole bunch of extremely inappropriate jokes he'd made on Twitter. Ten years ago. Which he had already apologized for. Which Disney surely must have known about when they hired him because that was what he was known for pre-GotG. His firing was entirely unjustified and reflects really poorly on Disney.
Oh so he never actually diddled any kids he just joked about it.
Well that's a relief of sorts.
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Oh so he never actually diddled any kids he just joked about it.
Well that's a relief of sorts.
If he actually diddled do you really think he would still have a carrer right now? xD
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If he actually diddled do you really think he would still have a carrer right now? xD
I assumed he didn't. From what i heard he was thrown out in to the cold.
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If he actually diddled do you really think he would still have a carrer right now? xD
Actually… in this time and age, yeah. Hell, I bet that would have made it easier for him to dodge the firing in certain ways. That's kind of the sad part about all of this.
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Actually… in this time and age, yeah. Hell, I bet that would have made it easier for him to dodge the firing in certain ways. That's kind of the sad part about all of this.
Dunno if it's that much of an our time thing. Roman Polanski diddled kids way back in the 70's and he got away with it. Jacko apparently did it successfully all through the 90's. R Kelly kind of got caught up by it now careerwise but he had a couple of decades of diddling under his belt at that time. Same with Kevin Spacey. But i mean once they have it written on the wall then they usually get thrown out in the cold and can't slink back in. Which is what i assumed was the deal with the GoG dude. But apparently he ain't even a diddler which makes everything a lot better.
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Dunno if it's that much of an our time thing. Roman Polanski diddled kids way back in the 70's and he got away with it. Jacko apparently did it successfully all through the 90's. R Kelly kind of got caught up by it now careerwise but he had a couple of decades of diddling under his belt at that time. Same with Kevin Spacey. But i mean once they have it written on the wall then they usually get thrown out in the cold and can't slink back in. Which is what i assumed was the deal with the GoG dude. But apparently he ain't even a diddler which makes everything a lot better.
Yeah, clarifying that "in this time and age" was a really stupid thing for me to say. Almost sounded like an delusional old man for a second there lol.
There's also still Woody Allen and James Woods having explicit reports from apparent survivors of their pedophila and still getting jobs. So even when it is written on the wall, it tends to be an open secret that takes a while to slap back into their face. Right down to the point that employees warn the rest of their staff to prepare themselves when an all but proven rapist is coming into the workplace like with Weinstein and Vic Mignogna.
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I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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That's apparently Bryan Singer's territory now.
For a second there i thought you meant the rush hour guy.
Which i had far more fond memories of than the X-men dude
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okay now i feel like a moron.
i have been mixing up who plays Captain Marvel. It's Brie Larson, right? Whom I thought was:
this is Gillian Jacobs, who played Britta in Community. I think that's where this weird confusion began. Fuck me.
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it's well deserved, Black Panther's soundtracks and outfits are pretty sick tho.
True dat, if it was going to win anything, I definitely would have expected that particular category to be the one they snagged. The other two are just icing on the cake. Suicide Squad winning one for the same thing, though? That was just out of left field.
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I'm not 100% sure about that but I think the glasses are actually part of the Richard Fisk's Blood Rose persona costume. Maybe alluding that he'll be one of the future villains in the Spider-Verse continuity?
Spiderman, Ant Man, Black Panther, Dr. Strange all have a couple films left. Thor seems willing to keep making films if they're fun like the last one was.
Iron Man is almost certainly 100% retired after Avengers 4. Downey has been the face of things but he seems pretty done.
As for other brands? They're getting XMen back but I'd really prefer the franchises stay seperate. Easy go to mutant powers dilutes the super power world, and the super power world conflicts with the racism metaphor. They're better seperate.
At least let Wolverine do a split from the traditional X-Men universe and join the MCU continuity. If they're rebooting everything after Endgame to undo all of Thanos' damage as I suspect and it involves massive time reversal, they can do an alternate Captain America origin where he and Wolverine fight side-by-side in WWII.
Howard the Duck. Do it like the actual comics and we have ourselves an apology for the old film. Plenty of B listers they could use, the Guardians were nothing prior.
Just have him be a part of the new Guardians of the Galaxy.
Fantastic 4. We're due a good one that isn't Incredibles, dangit.
Whether or not they get inserted into the MCU as new or having come from the era the comics portrayed them, I want to see how they can be done properly in the hands of good producers.
Namor. May have missed the boat with Aquaman out now, but…
Well they now know how an underwater action flick should work so they have a good template to build on.
KaZar. Lets get a jungle boy and some dinosaur action going on.
Leave him to the X-Men universe when they do a Savage Land movie.
Nova/Adam Warlock- Space characters sort of set up by Guardians. We'll see how Captain Marvel goes.
If they do a proper Nova with the actual power armor then sure. But I'd just rather see an expanded Guardians of the Galaxy roster with the guy as an on-again, off-again ally than a permanent member of the roster. Adam Warlock as an antagonist might work better than throwing him against Magus.
Khamala Khan- Too early for the fourth Mrs. Marvel, but we can skip some of the inbetween baggage and get her sooner than later.
As an apprentice, maybe? They avoided doing that with Doctor Strange and Scarlet Witch so it might be nice to see that here. It worked for Spider-Verse.
Spider Woman- Has nothing to do with Spiderman despite the name. Is more a street level character… would probably need a new name just to avoid confusion/legal.
Too many characters with that name or similar powers, maybe let Sony do that team-up movie now that they've shown they aren't entirely incompetent at making comic book movies.
Shang Chi- How he didn't end up in Iron Fist I dunno.
If Netflix hadn't cancelled all the shows I'd say just give him his own. That ship appears to have sailed, though, so…
Moon Knight-Skitzo Batman Deadpool crazy guys. Could be fun.
I would say Netflix but if it was just a standalone or the other movies showed a surge of non-powered vigilantism, maybe an MCU entry.
She-Hulk- Same rights issues that keep them from doing full fledged Hulk movies may be an issue, but she can certainly fit.
Given the limited power set, maybe as part of a team? Tagging along with the new Fantastic Four, maybe?
Kingpin-Already on the Daredevll show but… he needs to meet Spiderman. Out of all the tv characters DD is the most fit to transition.
Nope. Nope, nope, nope. Can't agree on that one.
Man-Thing. He's their version of Swamp Thing. We're never getting a good Swamp Thing movie. SO… might as well?
If we use that machine from Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind to erase the memory of the direct-to-video version they made, sure, why not.
What I'd really like to see is a proper screen treatment of Ghost Rider. And even though Gunn's gone, I'd love to see a Ravagers movie with them using that same Sam Jackson de-aging stuff on Stallone and Yeoh and whoever else needs it to show them in their heyday, especially if it ends with them saving Yondu from slavery like Vol. 2 said it happened.
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okay now i feel like a moron.
i have been mixing up who plays Captain Marvel. It's Brie Larson, right? Whom I thought was:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Gillian_Jacobs_2014_Comic_Con_%28cropped%29.jpg/220px-Gillian_Jacobs_2014_Comic_Con_%28cropped%29.jpgthis is Gillian Jacobs, who played Britta in Community. I think that's where this weird confusion began. Fuck me.
She's the AT&T of people
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Too many characters with that name or similar powers, maybe let Sony do that team-up movie now that they've shown they aren't entirely incompetent at making comic book movies..
That's the thing. Sony probably DOESN'T have Spiderwoman. Because despite the name, she has literally nothing to do with Spiderman.
Its a super easy mistake to make considering the gave her the bug eyes, and she was running around in a Venom style black suit for a while, and Ultimate Spiderwoman actually is a Peter Parker clone…. but...
You know what, sure. She's a Spiderman character and Sony can have her. That's just easier all around for everyone.
Though now that they've shown off Gwen and her awesome sure to last for decades costume, I'm sure they'll be going to that well regularly.
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That's the thing. Sony probably DOESN'T have Spiderwoman. Because despite the name, she has literally nothing to do with Spiderman.
Its a super easy mistake to make considering the gave her the bug eyes, and she was running around in a Venom style black suit for a while, and Ultimate Spiderwoman actually is a Peter Parker clone…. but...
You know what, sure. She's a Spiderman character and Sony can have her. That's just easier all around for everyone.
Though now that they've shown off Gwen and her awesome sure to last for decades costume, I'm sure they'll be going to that well regularly.
Is she Spider-Gwen or Spider-Woman or Spider-Girl? I think that alone would cause all the problems in the world and since Sony clearly has her in their pocket, there's a lot of room to quibble about others with that name. Plus the animated film did such a good job with portraying her I almost don't want to see anyone trying to play her as a live-action version.
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Man i look forward to when i finally catch up to you modern marvel peeps. So far i've read up to like 1979 so i'm like four decades behind keeping up with your reference dropping lol. But i just keep getting sidetracked, like now i just picked up the original ms marvel which i'll just assume has shit all to do with the current movie. But baby steps i guess
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Is she Spider-Gwen or Spider-Woman or Spider-Girl?
In the comic, she's Spider-Woman.
In the comic's TITLE, she's Spider-Gwen because thats what the fandom called her and it stuck as branding.
In the 2017 cartoon series, she's Spider Gwen.
In SPiderverse she's Spider-Woman, but they mostly call her Gwen.Spider-girl actually rolls off the tounge better than any of them, but she's never gone by that in any version. Spider-Girl is yet another different character entirely from another alternate universe, Peter's daughter, just to make things even worse.
They "officially" changed her name to "Ghost-Spider" last summer because they feel like they need a different name for branding purposes to make her a unique identity, but NO ONE likes that name and that's not going to stick.
The movie went with Spider-Woman and that's the widest market, so I think that's probably going to be the name going forward..
Not sure what that's going to mean for Jessica Drew. She'll probably get some shitty temp nickname and new costume to avoid confusion, the same all the Captain Marvels have rotated their names. And then go back to Spiderwoman in a decade.
(Carol Danvers has been Ms. Marvel, Binary, Warbird, Catherine Donovan, and now Captain Marvel… Her Warbird costume was awesome and sexy, but that is the costume Kamala is now using a non-sexy version of as Ms. Marvel. ANd the third Captain Marvel switched to Photon, Pulsar and Spectrum... (and no one cares about her at all...)
Or the same way no codename ever stuck for Jean Grey except her actual name because Marvel Girl is dumb and Phoenix has too much baggage.They don't have this problem with the twelve versions of the Incredible Hulk running around because no one cares about any of them.
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They are trying to call Gwen Stacy the Ghost Spider now in the comics.
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They are trying to call Gwen Stacy the Ghost Spider now in the comics.
Trying. It's not going to stick, no one likes that name and they didn't call her that in the movie, which is millions of people's first exposure to the character.
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Was Captain/Ms. Marvel named because they wanted to toot their own company horn, or it was just a side-on to the idea of being "marvelous"?
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Was Captain/Ms. Marvel named because they wanted to toot their own company horn, or it was just a side-on to the idea of being "marvelous"?
There used to be a previous character with that name on a by then defunct publisher and once they lost the copyright to it marvel wanted to snatch up the name and threw a character out there as far as i recall.
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Was Captain/Ms. Marvel named because they wanted to toot their own company horn, or it was just a side-on to the idea of being "marvelous"?
The original Captain Marvel was the character we now know as Shazam.
Back in the day he was created to be a Superman ripoff but ended up taking off with his own hook (That he's really a little kid) and got super popular to the point he was actually outselling Supes.
DC didn't want that so they used the fact that he was obviously made to rip off supes as grounds to sue the publisher Fawcett and successfully won, so suddenly the company that owned Captain Marvel wasn't allowed to actually do anything with the character, so after a while the trademark lapsed because again, nobody was using it.
Then Marvel jumped in and realized that the trademark was open and they were Marvel Comics so it made sense for them to have a Captain Marvel. So they quickly invented Mar-Vell, the original Captain Marvel and trademarked the name.
Then, years later, DC licensed the OG Captain Marvel, eventually buying him outright, but but by then Marvel already had the TM on the name, so they called the Book, and eventually the character "SHAZAM" after the magic word he used to transform.
Marvel, meanwhile, made sure to ALWAYS put out a new Captain Marvel book every so often to make sure they were using their trademark and thus could hang onto it. That's why so many people have had the mantle (Mar-Vell, Monica Rambeau, Phyla-Vell, Genis-Vell, That Skrull imposter, Noh-Varr, and now Carol)
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89% at RT with 73 Reviews as of now.
Consensus:
"Packed with action, humor, and visual thrills, Captain Marvel introduces the MCU's latest hero with an origin story that makes effective use of the franchise's signature formula."Switch Friend Code: SW-1795-2519-1884 • Click Here to check out my Twitch Channel
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The impression I get is that yes, it gets a thumbs up, but overall it's a film that plays it safe. Just another Marvel movie.
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Average Rating: 7.11/10
Reviews Count: 78
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Rotten: 8Top Critics
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It updated, it's 86% Certified Fresh now.
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Down to 83% now, but I think at this point we can say it's positive. Not quite the "OMG IT'S SO AWESOME" stuff I wanted to hear, but it's good to hear it's not a failure either.
Plus, one of the reviews says the soundtrack is full of Hole and Garbage, and that's a huge plus for any 90s soundtrack.
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What's quite fun of the comic industry in the U.S. is how the keep pretending to blame on everything(tv, internet, videogames) to excuse themselves from low sales, but using the same characters everyone´s tired of over and over again has nothing to do with not ever getting close to the golden era of Comics.
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Thanks for the clarifications wolfy and Rin.
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What's quite fun of the comic industry in the U.S. is how the keep pretending to blame on everything(tv, internet, videogames) to excuse themselves from low sales, but using the same characters everyone´s tired of over and over again has nothing to do with not ever getting close to the golden era of Comics.
The problem though is that even creating and using new characters is a risky proposition some catch on many don't. Though all in all Marvel seems to presently be the worse at going back to tired formulas.
