So was the mention of stripping out half of Shigaraki's Quirk foreshadowing for Eri rewinding it to the full version and he just "fixes" all of the bad stuff that happened?
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I agree that the writing is bad but I don't think it will be as bad as having the heroes bring Eri in the middle of the battle against the final boss.
If Deku recovers during the fight, it won't be by putting a child, currently safe in a shelter, in danger.
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ok with jjk doing this somewhat and now MHA doing this
is aizen's bullshit actually well received and legendary in Japan? I'm not talking about SS's twist but his whole spew at the end of the Arrancar arc where he stalks Ichigo like
an obsessive ex girlfriend.
I mean I see r/bleach sometimes and people actually applaud that bullshit but most people I know think of it as a meme and definitely more on the side of it was terrible writing.Man was this chapter bad except for the last part.
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@Nectar said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:
Do it, Horikoshi! Have your Endgame moment! Just make sure you throw in Skycrawler.
Yes, if they're going to summon all the heroes from across the world in then that better include our Vigilante heroes. This is their best shot of showing up.
@Ubiq said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:
So was the mention of stripping out half of Shigaraki's Quirk foreshadowing for Eri rewinding it to the full version and he just "fixes" all of the bad stuff that happened?
I don't think her quirk works like that. She'd have to rewind Shigaraki all the way back into being a child again, before his quirk developed.
@fana said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:
I agree that the writing is bad but I don't think it will be as bad as having the heroes bring Eri in the middle of the battle against the final boss.
If Deku recovers during the fight, it won't be by putting a child, currently safe in a shelter, in danger.
If Kurogiri can warp people into the battle then he can warp Deku out of it and to where Eri is. They already established that Eri can't go to the battlefield so Deku going to her is more likely.
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Poor Eri. Wasn't long ago she saw her guardian/dad missing a leg and eye. Now she's about to see one of her literal heroes missing both of his arms.
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@Nectar said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:
Do it, Horikoshi! Have your Endgame moment! Just make sure you throw in Skycrawler.
Leave my boi out of this forsaken mess.
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@zeltrax225 said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:
ok with jjk doing this somewhat and now MHA doing this
is aizen's bullshit actually well received and legendary in Japan? I'm not talking about SS's twist but his whole spew at the end of the Arrancar arc where he stalks Ichigo like
an obsessive ex girlfriend.
I mean I see r/bleach sometimes and people actually applaud that bullshit but most people I know think of it as a meme and definitely more on the side of it was terrible writing.Man was this chapter bad except for the last part.
Well, Aizen is sexy, and was established as cool and powerful, without there being a Shigaraki figure for him to ruin. Here Horikoshi is pretty much just making a second minute reveal that undercuts his story's themes.
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At this point, I just wanna enjoy the ride. Besides, who else is there to slow down AFO long enough for Deku to heal? Captain Celebrity and Skycrawler are all we got.
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The fact that they've made it clear now that decay has a reverse function, and that it's actually Overhaul's quirk, means the outcome is obvious now. Restore the quirk to full power and the redeemed villain can undo most or even all the death and destruction he caused. We don't even need Eri's broken healing power if "Decay" can also be "Mend". So Deku will have been absolutely in the right to save him.
After all, it's not his fault or society's anymore, its manipulation from the uber villain since he was born. And he's got a super massive overcharged hybrid body so he'll be able to use an absurdly superemely powerful restore that can even save recently dead people. Sigh.
We're getting the Naruto ending.
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@zeltrax225 said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:
ok with jjk doing this somewhat and now MHA doing this
is aizen's bullshit actually well received and legendary in Japan?That's not a manga only problem.
"This one evil mastermind was actually behind EVERYTHING ALL ALONG" is a pretty common trope to wrap up everything cleanly by letting the writer blame every problem on a single defeatable entity.
Much easier to beat one jerk than it is to beat systemic racism.
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@Robby said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:
The fact that they've made it clear now that decay has a reverse function, and that it's actually Overhaul's quirk, means the outcome is obvious now. Restore the quirk to full power and the redeemed villain can undo most or even all the death and destruction he caused. We don't even need Eri's broken healing power if "Decay" can also be "Mend". So Deku will have been absolutely in the right to save him.
After all, it's not his fault or society's anymore, its manipulation from the uber villain since he was born. And he's got a super massive overcharged hybrid body so he'll be able to use an absurdly superemely powerful restore that can even save recently dead people. Sigh.
We're getting the Naruto ending.
I don't think that's possible given that a lot of the people who died did so months and even years ago. Pain could only do it because people died in the battle against him. I'm actually not sure if anyone has died in this battle so far, other than possibly Toga but it's ambiguous enough that she could survive.
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Dabi should be dying, as others probably only fodder heroes. Machi probably bit the dust too.
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@Robby wow i never thought of it that way.
that's kind of how superhero comics/movies was for awhile too or still is, I'm not sure.
now that I think about it this was the same thing Madara did.oh god I hope Imu doesn't pull this shit or anything close to it.
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@zeltrax225 said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:
@Robby wow i never thought of it that way.
that's kind of how superhero comics/movies was for awhile too or still is, I'm not sure.
now that I think about it this was the same thing Madara did.oh god I hope Imu doesn't pull this shit or anything close to it.
It's really, really common and isn't a recent problem.
It goes back to the dawn of storytelling. Do you know just how many problems were the direct result of Zeus sleeping around?
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@black-leg-jex said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:
I don't think that's possible given that a lot of the people who died did so months and even years ago. Pain could only do it because people died in the battle against him. I'm actually not sure if anyone has died in this battle so far, other than possibly Toga but it's ambiguous enough that she could survive.
Considering that at the time Pain did it, the power had never come up prior to that? And Naruto then had a lengthy five year series ending arc loaded up with zombie revivals from characters that were years dead.
Don't understate how much a completely broken super power can do when given to a villain that needs to redeem themselves. Especially a villain with limitless stamina and a genetically amped up enhanced version of it that has been cleared of any and all prior wrongdoing because none of it is fault, it was actually all THAT guy's fault the entire time.
Especially especially when that former villain now has One for All and All for One combined inside of him? Even without reverting the specific destructive power, there's no telling what level of crazy BS that combo will do 10 users later now reunited with itself.
At least Dragonball had the decency to bake the revival mechanic into its core concept.
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@Robby Bringing people back as Zombies isn't the same thing though, and that was a power that Naruto had established since its early days with Orochimaru doing it against the third hokage.
I get what your saying, that anything could happen and while we knew Pain still had one more power left, the fact it was bringing people back to live had never come up as an option. But I think saying this outcome is obvious is just wildly pessimistic, brought about by Naruto PTSD. Horikoshi hasn't redeemed any of the other villains, I very much doubt he's going to do it with Shigaraki now. And like I said, no one has actually died in this fight so far. Pain couldn't bring back Jiraiya. Shigaraki won't be able to undo an entire lifetime worth of death.
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When you think a power couldn't get more obnoxious
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I'm kinda more interested what Shigaraki's original quirk was and whether it will come into play.
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@black-leg-jex said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:
@Robby Bringing people back as Zombies isn't the same thing though, and that was a power that Naruto had established since its early days with Orochimaru doing it against the third hokage.
I think the problem there was wasn't the zombie jutsu itself, but the ludicrous extent to which it was used. When Orochimaru used it he just brought back two people (and failed to bring back a third) whereas Kabuto resurrected an entire army and he just so happens to have DNA samples of every ninja who ever lived and he can resurrect them without any real cost to himself.
Story-wise, I guess the idea was to wrap up a bunch of loose ends, but it came at the cost of breaking the zombie jutsu beyond all credibility.
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Edo Tensei was such great idea, gave us some the best character moments in the story. the final arc wouldn't be as great as it is without it.
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I like how in Naruto there's the concept of soul and some form of afterlife but it's never explored. I still find it funny that you died 100-200 years ago, came back like you just fell asleep yesterday, and then departed like you didn't just break the concept of life and death. Edo tensei never had a satisfactory explanation for why the soul is brought back and there weren't zombies as much as putting a chain around troops from heaven/hell and letting them loose on earth.
No real rules no restrictions beside DNA strand and you can basically immortalize someone but the plot never explores that because muh morality.
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I want to give a little bit of credit to Eri's resolve.
A child injuring herself like that to help the hero who once saved her?
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I said we'd get the Endgame scenario of all the heroes being warped in to fight All for One and here we are. I'm sure the next chapter is just going to be a big fight so Horikoshi can have several characters show off their powers one final time, but I hope it doesn't go beyond the nex chapter. All For One is the only villain left, let's kick his ass and wrap this up.
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The Shirakumo/Kurogiri "wrapped" up kinda fast. I don't think we'll see more of that. A shame since I'm invested in it thanks to My Hero Vigilantes. The Gashly fight was pointless but I like the scene between Eri and Aizawa. I wonder if Rewinding Deku a couple minutes is enough to get OFA back? Probably.
Horikoshi gave Astro, from his earlier series Barrage, a cameo. I'm hoping Skycrawler is next.
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@MDL said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:
I want to give a little bit of credit to Eri's resolve.
A child injuring herself like that to help the hero who once saved her?
That kinda tugs at my heart bro.We should. It's not "sacrificing yourself to save your friends" level trope, but for a little girl even hurting yourself a little is a big deal.
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Simple chapter but definitely emotional for me. There's something great about everyone chiming in like it's the final chapter of a Fire Emblem game, and then Sero countering AFO's pontificating with some completely casual observations.
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It makes sense everyone is going Plus Ultra against AFO. I'm a sucker for combo attack so more of that please.
Interesting how OFA may truly be gone. Although, Eri may be able to Rewind Deku again if her horn comes back. Hmm... Is Horikoshi going for the closed ending with little chance of a sequel or is he giving Deku OFA again through Eri?
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AFO is right in his argument against Sero. Adversity is a breeding pool for development, but as Sero said it doesn't mean your suffer less because of it.
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@Nectar said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:
It makes sense everyone is going Plus Ultra against AFO. I'm a sucker for combo attack so more of that please.
Interesting how OFA may truly be gone. Although, Eri may be able to Rewind Deku again if her horn comes back. Hmm... Is Horikoshi going for the closed ending with little chance of a sequel or is he giving Deku OFA again through Eri?
I think it ending on Deku having no quirks again but still being a super hero is more reflective of the story Horikoshi initially pitched before it became My Hero Academia. I think the story is probably going to close with both AFO and OFA disappearing for good, and Deku becoming more of a Batman like gadgets hero (with all his gadgets being made by Hatsume).
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That type of ending would explain why Horikoshi never brought up the concept of a quirkless hero using tech until All Mech. I always found that strange, especially in that hi-tech universe.
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@black-leg-jex said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:
@Nectar said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:
It makes sense everyone is going Plus Ultra against AFO. I'm a sucker for combo attack so more of that please.
Interesting how OFA may truly be gone. Although, Eri may be able to Rewind Deku again if her horn comes back. Hmm... Is Horikoshi going for the closed ending with little chance of a sequel or is he giving Deku OFA again through Eri?
I think it ending on Deku having no quirks again but still being a super hero is more reflective of the story Horikoshi initially pitched before it became My Hero Academia. I think the story is probably going to close with both AFO and OFA disappearing for good, and Deku becoming more of a Batman like gadgets hero (with all his gadgets being made by Hatsume).
This chapter felt really good for that reason. What made Deku interesting as a protagonist was his history of being quirkless. It was always the aspect of the story I liked the most and I looked forward to see it explored. But around Overhaul's arc Deku got a good hang of his powers (and then he got all the other powers) and with that, the whole theme of being quirkless disappeared.
So this feels like a return to form. I also love all the other characters getting to pitch in. Especially Sero and Mic, I've always liked them so it's incredible satisfying seeing them get this spotlight. Sero casually rebuking the overpowered villain is exactly what I want.
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Yeah, I've always got the vibe that Hirokoshi wanted Deku's struggle to be how he becomes the best hero despite not having a quirk, but then somewhere this got changed to Deku's struggle being someone with no powers suddenly being given the best power. Still showing Deku's struggle to go from nothing to something but in a different way. But then as the series went on, having Deku's only power be punching things very hard made all his fights to samey, so the new quirks were brought in so Deku had more to work with. I imagine in a quirkless Deku world, stuff like blackwhip and smokescreen would've all been new gadgets Deku obtained.
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I kinda want Deku to get one round of a proper All Might style buff-up alternative shading style to play with the last embers of power.
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OMG this thread. I remember the Bleach and Naruto ones, they were fun, even if filled with cynicism and pesimism but they were never "Yeah, no, this just isnt good anymore" sadness which makes it hit hard for me. I dont even like MHA I really tried to watch it and I didnt enjoy, sand the Endeavor and Toya storyline. I feel for you guys.
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@Captain-Krupp That's because Naruto and Bleach were the funny kind of bad like a movie like The Room. This isn't like that.
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Yeah this is just the "damn... sucks to be him" kind of bad.
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@PatTraverse said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:
@Captain-Krupp That's because Naruto and Bleach were the funny kind of bad like a movie like The Room. This isn't like that.
Hi Mark.
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Imo MHA isn't even that bad, it's just not nearly as good as it was in its first two years. Like I rarely think the writing or developments are bad, I'm just also pretty rarely that excited about them.
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^ This. My Hero is far from bad. It's final saga has been way better than what Naruto and Bleach had for their final parts. It just isn't as good as it was in its first half. But that happens to a lot of series, One Piece included.
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I think it's been bad for a while now, it doesn't reach the pits of badness of the Ninja War or Quincy Arc. The last arcs were I had an enjoyment of the kids side was Gentle's one, and on the villain front was MVA (albeit Redestro's organization was just an excuse to give the League fodder).
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Oooof, I think HeroAca's been bad for a long while now, only it's bad in the way where it's trying to tackle serious issues in a vaguely real world-esque setting. You can do fujoshi magic for NARUTO to just have a fun time with the last couple of hundred chapters, but HeroAca has been pretty consistently just killing off women, queer characters, and mentally ill characters, rather than making them the protagonists of the story, and I would argue that's a far bigger fuck up than even "NARUTO give all its small characters fights that are boring as hell before getting to the melodramatic Boy's Love storylines that are at least fun to read."
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I'm definitely not as excited about the series as I used to be, but I still love the universe as a concept. A world where the X-men won and the problems that stem from a mutant dominated society is interesting in of itself. That's why I'm hoping we get a My Hero Vigilantes sequel at some point after MHA ends.
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@Nectar
Fujoshis have the series in a death grip, a marketable Crawler plushie is and would be a massive failure in comparison to a TodoBakuDe doujin. We will either have a Boruto scenario dealing with quirk singularity or an All Might prequel.And like you said, probably the main reason I grew so sour to this series is seeing it's potential being squandered.
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I mean, as a fujoshi, I just want the series to actually act on the fujoshi elements. Be textually queer, not just subtextually queer!
And also don't, like, fuck over your two bisexual female characters? Or unceremoniously kill off your transgender female character?
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@Captain-Krupp said in My Hero Academia II - A true Hero:
OMG this thread. I remember the Bleach and Naruto ones, they were fun, even if filled with cynicism and pesimism but they were never "Yeah, no, this just isnt good anymore" sadness which makes it hit hard for me. I dont even like MHA I really tried to watch it and I didnt enjoy, sand the Endeavor and Toya storyline. I feel for you guys.
As someone who stopped enjoying MHA years ago, I think people here expect a bit too much of it.
A lot of the complaints I see on this thread can be summarized by "why is this battle shonen not giving mature elaborate answers to century old societal problems? Why bring the subject if he is not going to provide a solution?"So many authors in this genre seem completely alienated from the world they live in, their works reflecting that and conveying generic "protect your family and friends!" messages to an audience that also don't care about anything outside their own immediate reality (coughbleachcough). I think Horikoshi is doing a fine job by raising awareness to issues that normally the battle shonen otaku crowd would disregard.
He is talking to young teens, opening their eyes is already enough.
