Thanks bud! I'll believe it. I am inconceivably hyped. Big question for a lot of people: after that chapter, are we getting blueballed by the Japanese holiday?
Chapter 901: Even If You Die, Don't Die!!!
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We get 902, then Golden Week.
Also, 902 will come with a color spread, so I'm placing my bets on it being the first colorspread with Jinbe as a SH.
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inb4 Chapter 902 color spread shows the whole Charlotte Family.
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@Long:
So apparently an image from the next issue, not the chapter itself but those pages before, hinted towards the next chapter being the finale. Ill upload it and anyway who know japanese might be able to tell me if im geting the right info.
This is the next issue preview from the magazine. The image is not a spoiler but the text is probably correct.
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Luffy always gets an underrating bounty
What? No he doesn't. He almost always gets a bigger bounty than the last person he beat. The only exception to that is with Moria and that was a case of the government squashing the story. Also, It basically took the whole crew in order to take him down, so it's not like Luffy proved his strength was much greater with that victory. Luffy beat someone the government ultimately thought was too weak to be a warlord.
Beating Katakuri, all by itself, should net him a 1.1 billion berry bounty.
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Well yeah, a guy who reads this all at once isn't going to focus on the quick Oda stunt so much as the overall story of the Sun Pirates working to keep the Straw Hats from harm (which wasn't apparent before this chapter came out). The cliffhanger's just a treat for the weekly readers, and honestly I couldn't imagine an OP without these kinds of audacious stunts that make me think a little bit. So long as the cliffhanger didn't needlessly complicate the plot I see no reason to think of it as a detraction.
Who is that guy and why should I give a flying f about him?
What I care about is OP not deteriorating to the point of being comparable to Bleach, Naruto or FT in certain aspects, but I'm afraid that ship has sailed already. I expect to see more of this as the time passes, not less. And I'm a freakin' optimist by nature.
Let's just assume Wadatsumi is an expert in Observation and can see the future and be done with it.
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When do you guys think well see the reverie? Before or after wano?
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When do you guys think well see the reverie? Before or after wano?
Almost certainly BEFORE, according to an interview with the author in which he specifically mentioned that order. So it should be approaching soon.
Although some people have theorized that it will end with a cliffhanger which will affect various events and the final resolution would only come after Wano.
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Who is that guy and why should I give a flying f about him?
I suppose it is a guy who reads by volumes. But yeah we already had such easy clifhangers by the past so they don’t bother me that much anymore .
Actually it makes me wonder when was the last time i liked one of oda’s cliffhangerSo if next chapter is the last one of the arc, i suppose pudding could be the one who stop mum. That way we may know what her last wish was
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But if this were Bleach, Naruto or Fairy Tail nobody would find out wadatsumi switched the ships. Thats the thing the convenient time was only enough for a bit. Its a cheaper cliffhanger than story direction. Plus ot was a cannonball. Convenient timing like this has always been used in One Piece, it was used a lot in pre timeskip as well.
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What? No he doesn't. He almost always gets a bigger bounty than the last person he beat. The only exception to that is with Moria and that was a case of the government squashing the story. Also, It basically took the whole crew in order to take him down, so it's not like Luffy proved his strength was much greater with that victory. Luffy beat someone the government ultimately thought was too weak to be a warlord. Beating Katakuri, all by itself, should net him a 1.1 billion berry bounty.
He beat Chinjao and Doffy where did that take him bounty wise? to 500 mil. Also Crocodile would definitely have a higher bounty than 100 mil if his was active. Even freaking caribou is 200 mil. Maybe after beating Kaido he can get a 1 billion bounty, but prior to that (considering the track record) I doubt it.
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What? No he doesn't. He almost always gets a bigger bounty than the last person he beat. The only exception to that is with Moria and that was a case of the government squashing the story. Also, It basically took the whole crew in order to take him down, so it's not like Luffy proved his strength was much greater with that victory. Luffy beat someone the government ultimately thought was too weak to be a warlord.
Beating Katakuri, all by itself, should net him a 1.1 billion berry bounty.
Big News Morgans doesnt know that though, he also doesnt know about Cracker. While he's likely due for an upgrade I cant see oda giving him a billion until he beats kaido ( or at least finishes him after a 5 vs 1 ) and everyone knows it
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Big News Morgans doesnt know that though, he also doesnt know about Cracker. While he's likely due for an upgrade I cant see oda giving him a billion until he beats kaido ( or at least finishes him after a 5 vs 1 ) and everyone knows it
While he doesn't know about cracker, it is very likely he knows about katakuri since he was next to mont'd'or. Only if he conveniently left just a little before mont'd'or heard the news. At least he knows katakuri was after luffy but luffy escaped so the conclusion is that he either beat him or tricked him. He was next to mont'd'or all the time, the guy that received all the news updates.
And 1 billion is the commanders Bounty: jack, cracker, smoothie, katakuri. Defeating yonkou even with help should give him more then the commanders bounty that he beats 2 even this arc.
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Almost certainly BEFORE, according to an interview with the author in which he specifically mentioned that order. So it should be approaching soon.
Although some people have theorized that it will end with a cliffhanger which will affect various events and the final resolution would only come after Wano.
Wow thanks :D I didn't know that :D can't wait for the reverie
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I suppose it is a guy who reads by volumes. But yeah we already had such easy clifhangers by the past so they don’t bother me that much anymore .
Actually it makes me wonder when was the last time i liked one of oda’s cliffhangerSo if next chapter is the last one of the arc, i suppose pudding could be the one who stop mum. That way we may know what her last wish was
I know who that guy is, just don't see the point in bringing him up. This isn't a volume discussion, but a chapter discussion. OP isn't published volume by volume, it's published chapter by chapter.
And I'd think anyone would notice that it's weird how SPS blew up at the exact moment Wadatsumi made the switch. Don't see how a number of pages read in continuation before that scene changes anything about that fact.
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People keep saying Sanji's cake, but it is not his cake. The cake was baked by Pudding, Chiffon and the WCI31. Even without Sanji, the cake would have been made and be ready in time and, as long as it didn't taste bad, would have calmed Linlin down.
Sanji makes it very clear that he didn't take part of the baking itself and would focus on adding his "secret ingredient" after it was done.
He left the cake to the others while he readied the whipped cream that would be added after the cake was ready and carry his secret ingredient.Sanji's contribution was elevate the taste of the cake from great to heavenly. The reaction we saw BM having last chapter, hallucinating from the sheer perfection of the cake taste, that was Sanji. Not the cake, but the out-of-this-world taste. It was that absurd taste that he was betting on, the taste that would make this cake, as he state twice, "knock BM unconscious". And THAT didn't amount to anything.
BM was not left unconscious by the heavenly taste of the cake as continuously predicted by Sanji and the other characters, she didn't lost control of her soul keeping abilities thanks to it, she didn't decided to give a free pass to the SH because the cake was just too good, or anything else a more creative mind like Oda's could think of and maybe force his family to acknowledge his cooking skills and mindset are a quality instead of a defect. We can't even credit the whole cake idea to him, since it was Pudding who actually thought of making a new cake, decided to bet against time and had a spare of the special ingredients - and decided to add Sanji to the plan.
Sanji's contribution to this whole thing had no effect whatsoever except making BM enjoy the cake more than she would have and that's bullshit.At the end of the day, the Tottoland citizens are not wrong in their conclusion. This outcome is much more something accomplished by Pudding (+Chiffon) than by Sanji.
I gave it some thought and I think the only reason oda made big mom wake up is so he establishes she isnt done as an enemy. This feels kind of like he just realized some people may think they'll be friends or something, so he has her get up and re-establish she still hates luffy
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I know who that guy is, just don't see the point in bringing him up. This isn't a volume discussion, but a chapter discussion. OP isn't published volume by volume, it's published chapter by chapter.
And I'd think anyone would notice that it's weird how SPS blew up at the exact moment Wadatsumi made the switch. Don't see how a number of pages read in continuation before that scene change anything about that fact.
It’s more about the two weeks of speculation difference. The disapointment is weaker for those who read by volume
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It’s more about the two weeks of speculation difference. The disapointment is weaker for those who read by volume
He knows, that's what he was responding to
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It's nice to see you on here from the SMM server, Psycrow.
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I suppose it is a guy who reads by volumes.
I wnder if those 10 seconds earlier are annoying to volume readers? They make sense when you read chapte by chapter and the cliffanguer had you wondering but when you just flipa page and they are explaining what just happen and was pretty minor it seems it would be distracting.
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Fanfic time! Ugh…
Mom catches up to the Straw Hat gang. With all of her wits about her there is nothing they can do to fend her off. Some how everyone finds out Sanji was the lead behind the cake and the ultimate flavor. Big Mom threatens to keep Sanji for herself. Sanji says no. Mom says if you don't join me I'll kill your crew. Sanji say's if you kill my crew I cut off my own hands. Something something let the Sun Pirates go to and I'll send you a cake in the mail on your birthday.
End.
Jimbei why?!?!?! :'(
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OP isn't published volume by volume, it's published chapter by chapter.
It almost seems unfair to bring that up in an assessment of the series. No one who isn't currently caught up is ever going to have the weekly reading experience for the last few chapters. Chapter by chapter is how it comes out first, but the archive read, or volume by volume more likely if you're buying it legally, is the series' legacy, and the only reading experience anyone currently catching up, starting the series in the future, or having a reread is going to have. Of course OP has to stay good week to week to keep running but that still has to be balanced with considerations for the volume read, which will ultimately reach more people in the long haul.
That said, I'm witholding judgement on whether the chapter 900 cliffhanger/resolution will read better in the books, because there's still a good chance volume 89 will end on chapter 900, leaving volume current volume readers 3 months to speculate and build themselves up, and archive readers with a big cliffhanger right on a logical stopping point for a reading session.
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Ok here are my two cents:
Jinbe is not going to join just yet for a very simple reason: his bounty is still higher than Zoro’s. Once Zoro’s bounty gets a little increase then it’ll be time for Jinbe to join.
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Ok here are my two cents:
Jinbe is not going to join just yet for a very simple reason: his bounty is still higher than Zoro’s. Once Zoro’s bounty gets a little increase then it’ll be time for Jinbe to join.
I mean, Zoro is the second man of this crew, he’s always going to have the second highest bounty.Robin's bounty was higher than Zoro's when she joined, and it stayed that way through Enies Lobby.
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Ok here are my two cents:
Jinbe is not going to join just yet for a very simple reason: his bounty is still higher than Zoro’s. Once Zoro’s bounty gets a little increase then it’ll be time for Jinbe to join.
I mean, Zoro is the second man of this crew, he’s always going to have the second highest bounty.Jinbe has joined though.
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How are arc's defined? What counts as a final arc chapter in One Piece? Is it when the crew leaves the island, or when they land on the next island?
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How are arc's defined? What counts as a final arc chapter in One Piece? Is it when the crew leaves the island, or when they land on the next island?
It can be harder to tell reading week to week, but when you're reading sequential chapters you can usually see a clear transition while they're traveling between places. It's usually a new arc when they're just sailing along and things start happening that send them to the next place, ie Nami gets sick or a ship falls on top of them. It's more muddied when there's world event stuff between arcs though.
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It can be harder to tell reading week to week, but when you're reading sequential chapters you can usually see a clear transition while they're traveling between places. It's usually a new arc when they're just sailing along and things start happening that send them to the next place, ie Nami gets sick or a ship falls on top of them. It's more muddied when there's world event stuff between arcs though.
I reckon the divide between one arc and another is pretty arbitrary and just based on what feels right. Some are nearly impossible to exactly pin down though.
Like the end of Thriller Bark for example. Cutting it at chapter 489 means you don't get the monsters in the fog, which caps off the arc perfectly. But going all the way through 490 gives you stuff that's very obviously the start of the Sabaody storyline. It feels like the arc ends halfway through the latter chapter, really.
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How are arc's defined? What counts as a final arc chapter in One Piece? Is it when the crew leaves the island, or when they land on the next island?
Arc refers to a theme of the story and is mostly used by fans to know what they are discussing. The most basic decomposition of One Piece is one arc = one island.
But they are as many arcs as you see major themes in the story. And they don't necessarily follow each other. There can be as many at the same times as you want.
For instance, you will often see the expression "character arc" when one character has obviously a role to play to settle his development in the story.
In some colors spread back in Dressrosa, there has been editor notes mentioning "Colosseum arc" or "Birdcage arc".The wiki uses the island to arc decomposition. But obviously every islands has a tons of different arcs (story) going on at the same time.
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It almost seems unfair to bring that up in an assessment of the series. No one who isn't currently caught up is ever going to have the weekly reading experience for the last few chapters. Chapter by chapter is how it comes out first, but the archive read, or volume by volume more likely if you're buying it legally, is the series' legacy, and the only reading experience anyone currently catching up, starting the series in the future, or having a reread is going to have. Of course OP has to stay good week to week to keep running but that still has to be balanced with considerations for the volume read, which will ultimately reach more people in the long haul.
That said, I'm witholding judgement on whether the chapter 900 cliffhanger/resolution will read better in the books, because there's still a good chance volume 89 will end on chapter 900, leaving volume current volume readers 3 months to speculate and build themselves up, and archive readers with a big cliffhanger right on a logical stopping point for a reading session.
But like I said, we're here now, reading chapter by chapter. It hardly matters to me how some person, reading 20 years from now (if the human race still exists) will take a cliffhanger like this. I hope they can at least pause for a moment and think "boy, SPS exploding at the exact moment Wadatsumi switched it is rather convenient, Oda sure didn't pull an all nighter thinking that one up".
I'm well aware reading stuff in bulk can make the experience a lot better. I've experienced it myself, even with OP, when I took a break during Marineford. But sometimes, silly things are just silly.
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Big News Morgans doesnt know that though
He absolutely knows Luffy beat Katakuri. He's been spying on everybody's radio communications this whole time, and that little tidbit definitely made the rounds.
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I hope they can at least pause for a moment and think "boy, SPS exploding at the exact moment Wadatsumi switched it is rather convenient, Oda sure didn't pull an all nighter thinking that one up". (…) But sometimes, silly things are just silly.
+100. Factual description of what happened: "one gigantic hand rose out of the sea, grabbed the pursued ship everyone in the fleet had their eyes on and pulled it underwater while another ship emerged in the exact same spot. All of this a split second before cannon fire hid the scene from the onlookers". No matter how you look at it, that's only ever going to be make-believe as far as explanations go. It only remotely worked because 900 actually showed a heavily edited sequence - to the point of being almost entirely different - that only aimed at fooling the reader for the sake of suspense. I sincerely dislike these fake cliffhangers Oda pulls from time to time, because at best they end up in disappointment from not seeing the ballsy scenario he initially outlines.
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The strahwats reaction in 900 works out fine if they are surprised by the giant hand rather than the Big Mama Chanter.
What really makes no sense IMO is to save the ship AND replace it with the sun pirate ship. Why didn't he just save the ship ? How did the replacement help in any way ? (aside from helping the cliffhanger)
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Macote is ALIVE and someone saved the SH's!! The tension is so strong the Haki is visible!
We get another epic page where Meme is riding something!
Luffy yelling with a missing tooth about someone belonging to him AGAIN!!!!!
Big News Morgan gave us NEW NEWS!!!! Pirate King will be from the worst generation!!!!!!!!!
Only thing we need to complete such an epic arc is Pedro waving the SH's good bye alongside Pekoms!!What a day to be alive!!!!
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What really makes no sense IMO is to save the ship AND replace it with the sun pirate ship. Why didn't he just save the ship ? How did the replacement help in any way ? (aside from helping the cliffhanger)
They probably assumed it could buy them time, but the Big Mom pirates found out quickly.
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They probably assumed it could buy them time, but the Big Mom pirates found out quickly.
They also assumed SPS is going to blow up at the exact moment Wadatsumi makes the switch.
It did buy them a couple of seconds, though. Maybe it will still matter. Big Maybe.
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lol
Jinbei will bring Pedro and Pekoms back with him when they meet the SH's up at Wano.
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Jinbe is Pedro…and Pekoms...think about it.
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All I know is, after Smoke, Heat, Fire, and Magma, I hope Oda cools it on the hot-based devil fruits. And yes, the pun stays!
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Okay, here we go.
Wadatsumi is big enough to fill the Sunny on his mouth. I think we can all agree on that. And the switch is no different from what Law pulled in Dressrosa. But apparently all this is BAD because there was no build-up or any sign of they planning that last chapter.
Why is this considered bad quality writting? I mean, I didn't liked the chapter, but the hate is merely subjective.
Well the perception of a story is never completely objective but I think It's safe to say this could have been handled a little better.
It's not about the lack of hints.
It's about how the follow up to an exciting cliffhanger must be exciting too for it to not be disappointing. That's the main simple difference between bad and decent cliffhangers. And then there are also very good ones which have hints and stuff.The one with the big wave was perfect for me: a giant santient wave is about to hit the Sunny–--> the new nakama shows that he is an amazing helmsman and he rides the wave.
The resolution pays back because is equally powerful. And the cliffhanger it's not just there to build up the hype for the next chapter but becomes relevant to the story too, as we are introduced to Jinbe's role in the crew.
The fact that the characters managed to overcome the situation thanks to their own skills (and also not just avoid it but overcome it) made it even better. And Jinbe being previously hinted as an helmsman was good too because it made the resolution fit better in the story, but the hint wasn't what made the whole thing work (I didn't even remember that until someone mentioned it).Another example of this kind of cliffhanger which had a very decent resolution was the end of Luffy vs Croco-boy round 1: has Luffy really been defeated and stabbed in the chest by that big hook? How does he get out of that situation?----> He really is defeated and stabbed, and the best thing is that he's somehow able to touch Crocodile finally and we don't understand how. And how does he get out of there? All the other good characters are somewhere else and he's even been thrown into a sand pit now: that mysterious villain who later will become a nakama shows up again and shows interest in the D. in Luffy's name, which is also mentioned for the first time ever if I remember correctly.
A powerful situation and an equally powerful resolution.
It's not like we found out that Luffy's only been stabbed in the arm, or that it was just a Mr.3 wax Luffy or some weird Bentham power, and then the giant smiling crab comes out of the sand pit and puts Luffy in his mouth.Chapter 900 ended up being like the beheaded Doflamingo string clone cliffhanger. Obviously in that case it was silly to assume that he actually lost his head but a string clone was the lamest idea ever, and it didn't even serve any purpose in the story that couldn't have been handled through less clumsy means.
The Law switch was almost as bad but at least it had a purpose later.Also, the expectations were high for this cliffhanger because:
- All that Big Mom singing was hyping that last page so much and it looked like Oda had a very good idea to resolve the situation
- It was chapter 900, the solution could have had decent implications in the story.
- The break
And like I said before Jinbe staying back is a powerful moment that fills the expectations for this chapter and the Sun Pirates changing the sea currents is a smart idea that fits perfectly, we knew that fishmen were able to do that since Arlong Park I think, and still nobody even mentioned that in any part of the theories.
So why the heck couldn't Oda have used the sea currents change to explain the last page of 900? Something like "when it was about to get hit by the Chanter, the Sun Pirates created a current that made the Sunny slide away and made an enemy ship slide in where the Sunny was so that it was hit instead".The switcheroo doesn't destroy the chapter for me but it's a slip, anything would have worked better than that which is lame and also sloppy (the timing, and also the way it was revealed to be Fisher Tiger's ship to make us care is ridiculously bad).
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Well the perception of a story is never completely objective but I think It's safe to say this could have been handled a little better.
It's not about the lack of hints.
It's about how the follow up to an exciting cliffhanger must be exciting too for it to not be disappointing. That's the main simple difference between bad and decent cliffhangers. And then there are also very good ones which have hints and stuff.The one with the big wave was perfect for me: a giant santient wave is about to hit the Sunny–--> the new nakama shows that he is an amazing helmsman and he rides the wave.
The resolution pays back because is equally powerful. And the cliffhanger it's not just there to build up the hype for the next chapter but becomes relevant to the story too, as we are introduced to Jinbe's role in the crew.
The fact that the characters managed to overcome the situation thanks to their own skills (and also not just avoid it but overcome it) made it even better. And Jinbe being previously hinted as an helmsman was good too because it made the resolution fit better in the story, but the hint wasn't what made the whole thing work (I didn't even remember that until someone mentioned it).Another example of this kind of cliffhanger which had a very decent resolution was the end of Luffy vs Croco-boy round 1: has Luffy really been defeated and stabbed in the chest by that big hook? How does he get out of that situation?----> He really is defeated and stabbed, and the best thing is that he's somehow able to touch Crocodile finally and we don't understand how. And how does he get out of there? All the other good characters are somewhere else and he's even been thrown into a sand pit now: that mysterious villain who later will become a nakama shows up again and shows interest in the D. in Luffy's name, which is also mentioned for the first time ever if I remember correctly.
A powerful situation and an equally powerful resolution.
It's not like we found out that Luffy's only been stabbed in the arm, or that it was just a Mr.3 wax Luffy or some weird Bentham power, and then the giant smiling crab comes out of the sand pit and puts Luffy in his mouth.Chapter 900 ended up being like the beheaded Doflamingo string clone cliffhanger. Obviously in that case it was silly to assume that he actually lost his head but a string clone was the lamest idea ever, and it didn't even serve any purpose in the story that couldn't have been handled through less clumsy means.
The Law switch was almost as bad but at least it had a purpose later.Also, the expectations were high for this cliffhanger because:
- All that Big Mom singing was hyping that last page so much and it looked like Oda had a very good idea to resolve the situation
- It was chapter 900, the solution could have had decent implications in the story.
- Two weeks break
And like I said before Jinbe staying back is a powerful moment that fills the expectations for this chapter and the Sun Pirates changing the sea currents is a smart idea that fits perfectly, we knew that fishmen were able to do that since Arlong Park I think, and still nobody even mentioned that in any part of the theories.
So why the heck couldn't Oda have used the sea currents change to explain the last page of 900? Something like "when it was about to get hit by the Chanter, the Sun Pirates created a current that made the Sunny slide away and made an enemy ship slide in where the Sunny was so that it was hit instead".The switcheroo doesn't destroy the chapter for me but it's a slip, anything would have worked better than that which is lame and also sloppy (the timing, and also the way it was revealed to be Fisher Tiger's ship to make us care is ridiculously bad).
That would serve what purpose? They still be range of enemy ships to attack quite easily,wouldn't solve anything.
Hidding the target from enemy with switch makes more sense since it can actualy buy time to escape.
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Hedron is absolutely right.
Btw, I don't even know why Oda does something like this when there's no need. Makes me wonder. He's a smart man, a knowledgeble writer and a creative storyteller, so why? Is he investigating his readers? Does he thinks this a great idea? Is his editors mentally healthy?
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Yeah, Law's switch also sucked ass.
It's bad writing because it tests suspension of disbelief just a little too hard. Oda chooses to disregard what he had already set up. In this case Wadatsumi makes a perfect boat switch, which would have been useless if SPS didn't explode at the exact moment he made the switch. I can forgive a shortcut or 2, but this one is glaring plot hole. Unless Wadatsumi or Aladine are CoO experts or something, but it's still a stretch.
I can't say those weren't cheap moves just because OP is a better manga than Bleach or Naruto or FT.
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Hedron is absolutely right.
Btw, I don't even know why Oda does something like this when there's no need. Makes me wonder. He's a smart man, a knowledgeble writer and a creative storyteller, so why? Is he investigating his readers? Does he thinks this a great idea? Is his editors mentally healthy?
…To make readers discuss or guess what happened ? Every author does this ,not really something new.
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What really happened makes sense, it didn't simply work as planned but atleast gave them more distance from BMP and now they can change the current without afecting the Sunny.
I'd say it worked just as planned. SPS caught fire the moment it popped on the surface.
Only way it could have worked better is if they loaded it with gunpowder beforehand.
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That would serve what purpose? They still be range of enemy ships to attack quite easily,wouldn't solve anything.
Hidding the target from enemy with switch makes more sense since it can actualy buy time to escape.
What really happened makes sense, it didn't simply work as planned but atleast gave them more distance from BMP and now they can change the current without afecting the Sunny.Ok, the current takes the Sunny out of enemy range then.
Honestly that was the first idea that came into mind and the Wadatsumi switch looks more broken than that. Read what Razh wrote about the timing one or two pages ago, it doesn't make any logical sense. -
The timing would have been nonsensical if Wadatsumi and co. were in a position where it would have been impossible to reach the Sunny in that span, but that was never indicated. Oda could have had them do the swap earlier without much issue, but that wouldn't have the same amount of dramatic effect.