It's only BS if you believe it's fake. :ninja:
Never forget chapter 892 and people stating in 9 of 10 posts how everything we were seeing was Luffy's future vision, even though there was absolutely nothing in the chapter suggesting you shouldn't simply take the chapter at face value, and have the whole talk about the chapter be a discussion that was never supposed to even exist.
Sanji kicked him when he was offguard, focusing on pound, & out of his line of sight. Do you honestly think that would have happened if Oven knew Sanji was there? Even a shot from Capone sent him flying. It means nothing.
Irrelevant, regardless of how off guard Cracker or Katakuri maybe, Sanji CANNOT send those two flying.
IF YOU DIE, I'LL KILL YOU….
@Shobu:
899 chapters without getting hit by cannonballs
1 chapter got hit, destroyedLogical, so obvious.
http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2015/gifs/channing.nocrop.w529.h316.gif
Specially that part when you say that they were leaving… let me remind you they were escaping in a straight line.
Alright, i'll rest from Oda's shitty writing putting op on-hold
Well yes, it is pretty logical to only take damage when you are actually hit. And it is significantly easier to be hit when you have no way to get out of a ship's range. Jinbe said last chapter that they would be toast once the BMP's fleet cut off their routes of escape, and that's what happened.
One of the more underrated hilarious moments of this arc is seeing the fanbase go back and forth on whether Oven is a joke or not. He's a perfect example of how not everything is all about power levels 24/7, that even strong characters can get blindsided and what not.
Oven is a pretty good example of power versatility. He may not be the strongest in the crew but not even Big Mom or Katakuri would have been able to do what he just did. Just like Brook hurting Big Mom's homies.
Spoiler:
Bellemere, 30 years without taking a bullet to the head and then dies on the first one. Makes. Zero. Sense.
Irrelevant, regardless of how off guard Cracker or Katakuri maybe, Sanji CANNOT send those two flying.
Why not? Ichiji got a shot in on Katakuri. Bege stalled him too with his gun.
It's true Sanji probably could not beat either, but it wouldn't be like Jinbei VS Opera.
Irrelevant, regardless of how off guard Cracker or Katakuri maybe, Sanji CANNOT send those two flying.
Why the hell not?
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899 chapters without getting hit by cannonballs
1 chapter got hit, destroyed
Logical, so obvious.
http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2015/gifs/channing.nocrop.w529.h316.gif
Specially that part when you say that they were leaving… let me remind you they were escaping in a straight line.
Alright, i'll rest from Oda's shitty writing putting op on-hold
Wow! I didn't knew ships worked as a RPG character.
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Achilles might be the worst character ever in mythology. Killed by a single arrow to the heel.
GG, low HP.
This is silly to say, but I'm mad at Nami's orange trees now. They have plot armor. This irreplaceable, so much like Luffy's hat they won't get damaged. I've forgotten for so long cause we've never been this close before now, but the Sunny might have been directly hit with cannonfire, and those trees…will probably survive.
Why am I so mad at orange trees. I'm in this weird place where I never wanted the cliffhanger, and despite years of delivering good results, I don't trust one piece to resolve this well. We're only two days in.
I dunno, maybe we can get away with just the sail and mast area being destroyed? On some level, I want to see in two weeks the Strawhat crew horribly injured and recooperating, but that's another problem cause I know Oda would never really injured Nami.
However, do this cliffhanger's credit, I do appreciate all the plot devices that have been removed that could have saved the crew here. Brulee's mirrors are good, Caesar Clown and Bege aren't here, and Chopper and Carrot used up there transformations. I can't imagine how they'll get out of this, but I also don't think I'll like how they'll get out of this. I feel like a child again, except it's that child that's throwing a tantrum that he lost his lolipop even with his mom has a perfectly good replacement nearby.
I suppose as long as they can keep some oranges safe to plant their seeds, the trees can be destroyed.
@Kaido:
Oven is a pretty good example of power versatility. He may not be the strongest in the crew but not even Big Mom or Katakuri would have been able to do what he just did.
Totally agree, love seeing him get to show off his abilities.
@.access:
Never forget chapter 892 and people stating in 9 of 10 posts how everything we were seeing was Luffy's future vision, even though there was absolutely nothing in the chapter suggesting you shouldn't simply take the chapter at face value, and have the whole talk about the chapter be a discussion that was never supposed to even exist.
Lol yup. Though admittedly, at least that being a discussion at all wasn't too surprising, if only because Luffy was literally still going through the process of attempting to obtain future sight, Rayleigh flashbacks and all. So people jumping to the conclusion that it had happened in order to avoid a deadly strike, I get that, at least on a initial read anyways.
This chapter on the other hand… I don't see it at all. The current theories about how none of it is real (Big Mom/Pudding/Nami/Luffy) are far too easy to poke holes in, and it isn't even framed in a way that suggests that Oda is trying to mislead us anyways. It's more like that one chapter where the tidal wave was about to swallow up the Sunny, and you knew they'd survive somehow, it's just that you didn't know exactly how it would happen. The theories are all being put out with the mindset of it being utterly inconceivable that Oda would inflict major damage upon the Sunny, but I dunno, ever since Ch. 890 I can't say I'm surprised that Oda would take it a step further. I always felt that it was due for a renovation due to Jinbe anyhow, so Oda gets to kill two birds with one stone here. The only thing I'm questioning now is how bad the damage actually is, as well as where they go from here of course.
With this chapter, I also find it interesting to realize that perhaps the best way to escape all along (since they currently can't use their Coup de Burst) is for everyone to think they're dead. Otherwise at this rate this chase will go on forever, even more so now that reinforcements have arrived. It even amusingly acknowledges the claim of how anyone that tries to leave the territory will "die", which was even reiterated this very chapter**.** But eh, such a prediction invites a lot of questions, a big one being that I don't know what the Germa/Vinsmokes would end up doing since they don't have the option of playing dead. And my assumption is that the Fishmen could drag the Straw Hats and Sunny underwater and resurface somewhere else, but I'm not sure just how deep the Sun Pirates have to swim in order to avoid the part of the sea that is presumably still boiling around the Sunny…
@S.C.:
Why not? Ichiji got a shot in on Katakuri. Bege stalled him too with his gun.
It's true Sanji probably could not beat either, but it wouldn't be like Jinbei VS Opera.
A shot in? I'm sorry that does not exist in the manga. If you are referring to Katakuri comfortably dodging Ichiji's attack and then proceed to making him irrelevant, that was in the manga.
If you think Sanji can send like of Katakuri or Cracker flying, you're either Sanji fans or you haven't come to grasp how powerful these guys are. Just because the little kid crush them does not mean Sanji can make a dent. Behave guys.
IF YOU DIE, I'LL KILL YOU….
A shot in? I'm sorry that does not exist in the manga. If you are referring to Katakuri comfortably dodging Ichiji's attack and then proceed to making him irrelevant, that was in the manga.
If you think Sanji can send like of Katakuri or Cracker flying, you're either Sanji fans or you haven't come to grasp how powerful these guys are. Just because the little kid crush them does not mean Sanji can make a dent. Behave guys.
Don't condescend down to me. And I didn't say he would win, but that he could put up a fight.
The lookout and mast were destroyed so Carrot would have nothing to see from.
The lookout and mast were destroyed so Carrot would have nothing to see from.
And the doors were reshaped so that now Jinbe will fit
Hello new avatar. Fantastic chapter, the cake eating lived up to the hype.
I've seen a lot of theories and ideas thrown around about the ending, but here's another one I'm tossing in. What if we see the return of the Klabautermann? The Sunny is being set up as the Merry's successor, so it seems natural that the Sunny will develop a similar bond with the crew by the end of the series. And WCI is the most focus the ship has gotten since it was built, so now seems like a good time to start that plotline up again.
I'm not saying we're going to get some huge emotional moment like the escape from Enies Lobby or anything (it's too early for that, and Franky should be there for the really big moments), but more like something closer the Merry fixing itself on Skypeia. Maybe the Sunny will do something that it "shouldn't" normally do, like stay afloat despite heavy damage, or drift against the currents. Something that's subtle, but gives the crew a chance to fix things.
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Hello new avatar. Fantastic chapter, the cake eating lived up to the hype.
I've seen a lot of theories and ideas thrown around about the ending, but here's another one I'm tossing in. What if we see the return of the Klabautermann? The Sunny is being set up as the Merry's successor, so it seems natural that the Sunny will develop a similar bond with the crew by the end of the series. And WCI is the most focus the ship has gotten since it was built, so now seems like a good time to start that plotline up again.
I'm not saying we're going to get some huge emotional moment like the escape from Enies Lobby or anything (it's too early for that, and Franky should be there for the really big moments), but more like something closer the Merry fixing itself on Skypeia. Maybe the Sunny will do something that it "shouldn't" normally do, like stay afloat despite heavy damage, or drift against the currents. Something that's subtle, but gives the crew a chance to fix things.
Hey, I wrote that a few pages ago! I'm claiming that horrible theory!
(actually I'm glad someone else came to the same conclusion because it means maybe it's not that crazy after all)
Hey, I wrote that a few pages ago! I'm claiming that horrible theory!
(actually I'm glad someone else came to the same conclusion because it means maybe it's not that crazy after all)
Damn, I thought I was being original for once. Sorry I missed that. But it's nice to hear someone else agree.
Pedro will become the ship's spirit.
He'll see plenty of dawns with the thousand Sunny.
A shot in? I'm sorry that does not exist in the manga. If you are referring to Katakuri comfortably dodging Ichiji's attack and then proceed to making him irrelevant, that was in the manga.
If you think Sanji can send like of Katakuri or Cracker flying, you're either Sanji fans or you haven't come to grasp how powerful these guys are. Just because the little kid crush them does not mean Sanji can make a dent. Behave guys.
Come on now. In just an arc or two Luffy and the gang are going to be paired up with guys on the same level as Big Mom's Sweet Commanders, presumedly King, Queen, Jack, etc. It'll probably be a ton of team ups but you can bet Sanji is going to get some amazing kicks in that'll "send someone flying" lol.
Damn, I thought I was being original for once. Sorry I missed that. But it's nice to hear someone else agree.
Yeah the interesting thing about it is that it's something unrelated to the main elements of the plot you'd normally think about but it's also something that has always been in front of our eyes (the ship).
The reason why I'm not convinced at all however (besides it being very vague) is that Oda will probably come up with something that we can't possibly know like he did with the big wave cliffhanger.
Also I feel like both the dream and the Pudding theory are the same as arguing about how they could've escaped the big wave, while they actually went towards it and (with an element of surprise that we coudn't have thought about) overcame it.
No way the thousand sunny is destroyed or damaged. Even if it is damaged, how do they get out?
The only solid theory I've seen is: Big Mom just went into a food frenzy like when she killed her adoptive mother - her big ship was destroying her own ships before shooting at the Thousand Sunny, and there's no way Luffy or Chopper would just point at the cannonballs and not do anything. Since the cannonballs are homies controlled by Big Mom's Devil fruit, it's possible her cake frenzy caused her ship to destroy everything around it and the burnt ship is a fakeout.
Though the strawhat's flag being burnt is a wild guess
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let's not let this cliffhanger take away from the fact that this chapter was wonderfully written and drawn. Big Mom eating the cake, the whole musical paralleled with the Mama Chanter blowing stuff up was incredible. All those reaction shots with no speech also made me think of Big Mom's first cannibal eating frenzy but we'll see if that theory is correct or not
let's not let this cliffhanger take away from the fact that this chapter was wonderfully written and drawn. Big Mom eating the cake, the whole musical paralleled with the Mama Chanter blowing stuff up was incredible. All those reaction shots with no speech also made me think of Big Mom's first cannibal eating frenzy but we'll see if that theory is correct or not
Perfectly said. We should be more appreciative of this beautiful narrative. I'd even argue that the message of this chapter speaks by itself regardless of whether or not the Sunny was destroyed: the Strawhats were defeated. That panel with the flag floating in the sea is so symbolic.
Hey, I wrote that a few pages ago! I'm claiming that horrible theory!
(actually I'm glad someone else came to the same conclusion because it means maybe it's not that crazy after all)
I am also of the opinion that Sunny might need to rise to the occasion the same way Merry did. After all, SH consider their ships part of the crew as well and Sunny has to overcome her battles too.
Has anyone else mentioned the submarine? Doesn't the Sunny have a sub? Couldn't they escape through it?
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Also what about Orlumbus? No cover story yet. Could his armada arrive to help out?
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Has anyone else mentioned the submarine? Doesn't the Sunny have a sub? Couldn't they escape through it?
Also what about Orlumbus? No cover story yet. Could his armada arrive to help out?
Someone also reminded us that the submarine can only fit like 3 people max.
Forget the Grand fleet they're being saved for an epic war thing down the line as the narrator foreshadowed at the end of Dressrosa.
Hello new avatar. Fantastic chapter, the cake eating lived up to the hype.
I've seen a lot of theories and ideas thrown around about the ending, but here's another one I'm tossing in. What if we see the return of the Klabautermann? The Sunny is being set up as the Merry's successor, so it seems natural that the Sunny will develop a similar bond with the crew by the end of the series. And WCI is the most focus the ship has gotten since it was built, so now seems like a good time to start that plotline up again.
I'm not saying we're going to get some huge emotional moment like the escape from Enies Lobby or anything (it's too early for that, and Franky should be there for the really big moments), but more like something closer the Merry fixing itself on Skypeia. Maybe the Sunny will do something that it "shouldn't" normally do, like stay afloat despite heavy damage, or drift against the currents. Something that's subtle, but gives the crew a chance to fix things.
I really like this idea, wound be nice for the Sunny to finally speak up but it's not shared the tender love and care moments like the Merry with all these idiots trying their best to keep it in good shape. Until this arc the Sunny hasn't had so much as a scratch. The bond isn't developed to that extent yet. Once Franky repairs it, sure, but right now it's a long shot, but a nice idea nonetheless.
Year of Sanji, let's go!
Also what about Orlumbus? No cover story yet. Could his armada arrive to help out?
I kind of doubt it but at the same time it wouldn't be too surprising if someone showed up to help. Luffy's vivre card was probably looking rough before Reiju sucked the poison out of him so if an ally started moving to help at that point the timing could work out without it being a stretch.
Someone also reminded us that the submarine can only fit like 3 people max.
Not like it counts as evidence, but the recent Grount anime arc had L/N/Ch/Ca/B all fit comfortably inside the sub with room enough for Sanji, and Jinbe wouldn't need it. Either way, it seemed like there wasn't enough time to try getting to it between Luffy pointing and the last cannon firing.
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Not like it counts as evidence, but the recent Grount anime arc had L/N/Ch/Ca/B all fit comfortably inside the sub with room enough for Sanji, and Jinbe wouldn't need it. Either way, it seemed like there wasn't enough time to try getting to it between Luffy pointing and the last cannon firing.
One of the characteristics of comics is that time is very flexible between panels, especially in the way Oda has drawn the last 2 doublepages. It's very possible that everything happened in much more time than we think, enough for the crew to flee in the submarine and even rescue some important items in the ship. Not that this is necessarily the case here.
Not like it counts as evidence, but the recent Grount anime arc had L/N/Ch/Ca/B all fit comfortably inside the sub with room enough for Sanji, and Jinbe wouldn't need it. Either way, it seemed like there wasn't enough time to try getting to it between Luffy pointing and the last cannon firing.
Getting Last Jedi Escape flashbacks. Maybe all the vinsmokes, germa, fishmen and strawhats will leave together :ninja:
I said it last chapter and I'll say it again. Things like that only end with scorch marks in One Piece. Luffy first used Red Hawk against Hodi with an explosion coming out the back of Hodi. Nothing but a burn mark afterward.
That surprise attack from Germa was never going to cause lasting and noticeable damage.
Eh, it's just lightning. The cloths caught fire and the skin got burned, but in the end it just passed through the body.
Red Hawk could at least be explained as smoke and flames flowing around the body. This time we have a visible exit wound, along with goons getting impaled all around Oven. That's just crap. Things like this were crap in Bleach and they are crap here.
We need to start treating crap as crap at some point. :ninja:
The way the laser attack was drawn was meant to fool us into thinking Oven is seriously injured. If the blast just hit him without piercing, we'd know he was gonna come back. That's just creating cheap suspense. It's not something I'm gonna happily tolerate, no matter how much I like OP. I expect more.
Interesting. Is Oven trash tier now or…? :ninja:
No. Sanji has advanced to trash tier now. Oven is Sanji tier. :ninja:
Laser cauterize-s the wound so there won't be any bleeding anyway.
Year of Sanji, let's go!
Laser cauterize-s the wound so there won't be any bleeding anyway.
Molten lava should cauterize the wound as well, but that didn't stop Whitebeard from having a hole in his chest and bleeding.
I'd expect a black spot somewhere on Oven's torso, or him at least not being able to walk straight.
Although… Since he's fire type, he might have high resistance to heat based attacks. :ninja:
Just read the chapter, and I don't understand why people think the Sunny's going up in flames. The ship is the only reason Franky is even in the SH Crew, so I can't see Luffy and the rest jump to another ship to escape Whole Cake. They gotta take their bruised ship back to the super cyborg for repairs.
This is totally off-topic, but…check out jaimini's box homepage lol.
This is totally off-topic, but…check out jaimini's box homepage lol.
That's so hilarious LOL
I have figured it out!!!
it is all reality!!!
the only thing is the strawhats are still alive they fled on…
ZEUS
thats why we hardly saw anymore of ZEUS the last couple of episodes. the whole crew is on top of ZEUS and thats how they got away...
mayby/kinda/sorta LMFAO ;)
This is totally off-topic, but…check out jaimini's box homepage lol.
Scanlations can never catch a break, huh. :ninja:
The face of a Straw Hat.
@The:
Scanlations can never catch a break, huh. :ninja:
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Holy shit what if she ate more of her kids in this eating frenzy, what if she comes down from her food high and begs sanji for it
Red Hawk could at least be explained as smoke and flames flowing around the body. This time we have a visible exit wound, along with goons getting impaled all around Oven. That's just crap. Things like this were crap in Bleach and they are crap here.
We need to start treating crap as crap at some point. :ninja:
The way the laser attack was drawn was meant to fool us into thinking Oven is seriously injured. If the blast just hit him without piercing, we'd know he was gonna come back. That's just creating cheap suspense. It's not something I'm gonna happily tolerate, no matter how much I like OP. I expect more.
Considering the way Oda draws Red Hawk or some of Mr. 1 attacks againts Zoro and considering the overall style of this series, we should not be surprised that a lot of panels are drawn in exaggeration for the sake of visual impact, not to fool the readers around. I had no assurance before whether or not Oven was fine, but it was sure a possibility for me that he could get up unfazed, so it was never a cheap suspense for me, rather an unimportant cliffhanger after a nice action panel.
If you felt yourself misled by Oda, that's a problem that should not be ignored, but let's not crap things up. This scene is inserted in a stylistic context and Oda is very earnest with his narrative being romanticized rather than being realistic and factual.
How would Brook and Nami's powers even mix like that? And the title is called that because Big Mom did a creepy musical number as the Straw Hats got fucked up, it has nothing to do with Brook lol
Fight fire with fire, right? Maybe Brook sensed the musical coming on or once it got started, decided to go with the flow and try to counter it. He's already fought her once before so he might have gotten a better sense of what she's capable of and how to defend.
And the Straw Hats team up all the time, no reason Nami and Brook couldn't coordinate an illusion to make something greater than what they each as individuals could.
Considering the way Oda draws Red Hawk or some of Mr. 1 attacks againts Zoro and considering the overall style of this series, we should not be surprised that a lot of panels are drawn in exaggeration for the sake of visual impact, not to fool the readers around. I had no assurance before whether or not Oven was fine, but it was sure a possibility for me that he could get up unfazed, so it was never a cheap suspense for me, rather an unimportant cliffhanger after a nice action panel.
If you felt yourself misled by Oda, that's a problem that should not be ignored, but let's not crap things up. This scene is inserted in a stylistic context and Oda is very earnest with his narrative being romanticized rather than being realistic and factual.
Mr. 1's attacks against Zoro had visible effects and consequences, both during the fight and afterwards. There's a difference between the wounds not having much effect on fighting prowess and wounds simply disappearing and leaving no effects afterwards.
I knew Oven was going to survive, for example, but I didn't expect he would still be an obstacle after a puncture wound like that. It's not just a simple exaggeration and romanticism any more. It's a blatant misdirection. A flat out lie. Something more thrown in for the sake of style than after more careful consideration.
You know what other manga valued style over substance? Bleach again.
I knew Oven was going to survive, for example, but I didn't expect he would still be an obstacle after a puncture wound like that
I don't know why you're so surprised considering Oven turned out to be just fine in the very same chapter he was attacked.
Fight fire with fire, right? Maybe Brook sensed the musical coming on or once it got started, decided to go with the flow and try to counter it. He's already fought her once before so he might have gotten a better sense of what she's capable of and how to defend.
And the Straw Hats team up all the time, no reason Nami and Brook couldn't coordinate an illusion to make something greater than what they each as individuals could.
The chapter's title has nothing to do with Brook lol, and Big Mom isn't even here so there's nothing to defend against concerning her.
Do people really think Sunny has been sunk? That baby is made of Adam's wood. Fighting fish that can sink Navy Battleships had no effect on it and somehow a cannon obliterate it?
Red Hawk could at least be explained as smoke and flames flowing around the body. This time we have a visible exit wound, along with goons getting impaled all around Oven. That's just crap. Things like this were crap in Bleach and they are crap here.
We need to start treating crap as crap at some point. :ninja:
The way the laser attack was drawn was meant to fool us into thinking Oven is seriously injured. If the blast just hit him without piercing, we'd know he was gonna come back. That's just creating cheap suspense. It's not something I'm gonna happily tolerate, no matter how much I like OP. I expect more.
It wasn’t supposed to be suspenseful. Oven was back barking orders just a few pages later.
Mr. 1's attacks against Zoro had visible effects and consequences, both during the fight and afterwards. There's a difference between the wounds not having much effect on fighting prowess and wounds simply disappearing and leaving no effects afterwards.
I knew Oven was going to survive, for example, but I didn't expect he would still be an obstacle after a puncture wound like that. It's not just a simple exaggeration and romanticism any more. It's a blatant misdirection. A flat out lie. Something more thrown in for the sake of style than after more careful consideration.
You know what other manga valued style over substance? Bleach again.
I understand that Bleach became synonymous of shit in the anime community, but I don't read Bleach (it was uninteresting to me), therefore I never gave much thought to its artistic choices to be able to evaluate them. I don't even know if it applies to One Piece here, so I can't agree with your last sentence. Btw, style is substance in art, especially in action scenes… or are you criticizing themes and story content now?
The thing about Mr. 1's attacks is that if you take them realistically (with the rubble right behind Zoro's body being sliced into pieces), Zoro should have been chopped into nothingness instead of just being only heavily damaged, otherwise how does it even makes sense? All I can understand is that Oda emphasizes pain by visually deforming reality. I'm okay with that.
When you take this premise to Oven's situation, considering that endurance is so much bigger nowadays, I understand that he tanked the damage despite the pain of Ichigi's Valkyries. Maybe he's still feeling it and he'll need a good rest later (just like Perospero ignored his lost arm for too long). Who knows…
Do people really think Sunny has been sunk? That baby is made of Adam's wood. Fighting fish that can sink Navy Battleships had no effect on it and somehow a cannon obliterate it?
What does Adam's wood even is in the end ? we just know it's special, but that's it
Also, that's one hell of a canon, and the ship looks sunk yeah
I understand that Bleach became synonymous of shit in the anime community, but I don't read Bleach (it was uninteresting to me), therefore I never gave much thought to its artistic choices to be able to evaluate them. I don't even know if it applies to One Piece here, so I can't agree with your last sentence. Btw, style is substance in art, especially in action scenes… or are you criticizing themes and story content now?
No need to start generalizing. I am talking about Ichiji's laser seemingly blasting through Oven's torso, with little to no consequence. Bleach had a lot of moments where the characters appeared heavily wounded or dead only to come up unhurt later on, or right in the next panel. We called it trolling. Not sure why it can't apply here, since it's the same damn thing.
The thing about Mr. 1's attacks is that if you take them realistically (with the rubble right behind Zoro's body being sliced into pieces), Zoro should have been chopped into nothingness instead of just being only heavily damaged, otherwise how does it even makes sense? All I can understand is that Oda emphasizes pain by visually deforming reality. I'm okay with that.
Again, there's a difference. Characters in OP can sustain a lot of damage. Like Whitebeard, for example, who kept fighting with an open chest wound. That's fine, really.
In this case, Oven's torso looks like it's been pierced, but in reality it wasn't pierced. He's shown yelling over the phone later on in the same chapter, and we can't see if there's a lasting effect of the laser or not. 2 chapters later, he's ok, there's no wound.
When you take this premise to Oven's situation, considering that endurance is so much bigger nowadays, I understand that he tanked the damage despite the pain of Ichigi's Valkyries. Maybe he's feeling it still and he'll need a good rest later (just like Perospero ignored his lost arm for too long). Who knows…
I don't have a problem with his endurance. But maybe don't show a laser going through his chest and back if you don't plan on making it relevant. It's starting to get ridiculous.
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It wasn’t supposed to be suspenseful. Oven was back barking orders just a few pages later.
Few pages later. And you still can't tell if he's completely fine or not.
