Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)

[AvocadoInTheRain]

@Nilitch:

Theories about the new ship ? What can Franky build ? Something bigger ? WHERE ARE YOU KLABAUTERMANN !?!?!?!?

Also, will Bigmom repeat the pattern and eat her entire crew ? Making my dumb prediction come true…

edit: wrong thread. But it's not really off topic so whatever... (because this thread is kind of about everything)

I think talking about a new ship is relevant to this thread.

I think the keel survived that attack and Franky will manage to repair it. Although it might get a complete redesign.

[FelRes]

Tiem for ship of theseus, if he rebuilds the Sunny with new materials is it still the same Sunny

[.access timeco.]

@Robby:

The 634 spread had every major friend of the arc, (within reason) and Jinbe being missing despite being THE biggest ally with by far the most screen time was a major bit of suspicious business.

I don't know why he made it into the 724 spread two years later, other than guessing it was a left over illustration that was pulled out of storage or finished to meet the deadline given it was super tied into an arc location… 100 chapters later. Also, Jimbei's cover story started like a month after that.

Oda made a point to keep Jimbei from a piece where he certainly belonged, and 100% no question deliberately left Jinbe out of the character poll drawing because Strawhat. And he's STILL leaving him out, but not doing the same separation for Carrot? Heck, he didn't even leave Pedro out and he's supposed to be dead.

If he'd dead set on keeping Jimbei out of hero spreads because he's not part of the crew yet, why not Carrot? He could have a couple less minks to make it less obvious... or not done the minks at all. I'd say this is way more damning than the previous volume cover everyone was going on about. He's not keeping Carrot separated at all, he's once agaiin lumping her in with the other minks enmasse.

I would agree with you if 634 really had all the allies minus Jinbe. In that case I could read it as "Jinbe is absent because he can't be there as a SH yet, but he can't be there as a simple 'friend' either". Fukaboshi, Megalo, Neptune etc. also absent, though, takes away any deeper meaning the lack of Jinbe could have. Fukaboshi was the major ally of the arc, even joining Luffy on the last fight, and he is also missing, so…
If anything, it looks like "SH+Keimi's group having fun with the mermaids" spread.

And while I agree that Carrot being absent from the 900 spread, when every single mink is there, would have raised all the possible "NN flags", she being there doesn't mean the opposite. It's just like the Top20 spread: Jinbe not being there made painfully clear he is going to be a SH, but if he was there it wouldn't mean he wasn't going end up joining anyways (because it would be ok for Oda to not treat him as a SH before his official joining). Or Franky being there on the SH x CP9 spread (he being there meant he was going to join, but if he wasn't it wouldn't mean he wasn't going to join).

You may try to look at it as invalidating Carrot's chances, but it doesn't. Just like it can't be read as raising her chances. Either one just feels like forcibly trying to fit something into a conclusion rather than drawing a conclusion from something.
If we are going to use a color spread against her, the Chinese Zodiac one does a better job (but still far from a conclusive one).

[Robby]

It's about Oda making a conscious choice. Jinbe was the biggest most important ally in Fishman Island, yet he was left out of the color spread that got that would, as far as anyone knew (including Oda at the time) be the ONLY Fishman Island color spread.

It'd be a different matter if that was the 634 spread, and then the other piece was say, the 637 color spread, or if it was mid arc rather than at the end. But two years off it wasn't something he had in mind, so he actively chose to keep Jimbei out at the time for story reasons.

And the fact that he has definitively left Jinbe out at least two times since shows he has a certain though process to this.

If he wanted to keep the crewmate appearances special, why do a spread that outright forces Carrot into intermingling while ignoring Jinbe rather than… anything else? In the same spread?

He can't make a conscious choice in the same spread to actively leave out one crewmate while including the one after that. There's no way his mind would think that way. He would have just done a different subject entirely if there was a conflict there.

If Jimbei was in it, there'd be room for discussion. If he wasn't but all the strawhats and Carrot were (and I guess next arc allies) , there'd be questions. But to leave one out while including the other requires a weird logic leap that just makes no sense.

@.access:

You may try to look at it as invalidating Carrot's chances, but it doesn't. Just like it can't be read as raising her chances. Either one just feels like forcibly trying to fit something into a conclusion rather than drawing a conclusion from something.
If we are going to use a color spread against her, the Chinese Zodiac one does a better job (but still far from a conclusive one).

If this doesn't invalidate her, then the previous cover spread certainly doesn't count anything for her.

[DemonX]

So, now that Jimbei's dead, who's up for next strawhat?

[.access timeco.]

Carrot is surviving this, she obviously jumped in time. So no need for a new lookout.

Losing Chopper as the doctor is something all the other SH will be happy for, but they will never admit. I would say Caesar will probably arrive on Wano telling how every SH sacrificed themselves so he could live on and inherit their will, so he will be the doctor. That would work.

Buggy, he would have great dynamic with Caesar, so he could be the Captain. He fits.

Kaku would be the shipwright because he is the best. I guess Franky didn't died, but he can be moved over to helmsman.

A grandma for navigator.

Yeah. It's not the crew I want, but the most likely one. I'm not basing this on personal wishes.

[AlphaMale]

@SunnyBlue:

With the newest chapter, I guess we can close this thread. It has been a good run.

but why? what does the latest chapter have to do with closing this thread?

[Razh]

@AlphaMale:

but why? what does the latest chapter have to do with closing this thread?

Everyone dead.

Need to open Next Marimohat Crewmate.

[Long John Silvers Rayleigh]

@Robby:

The 634 spread had every major friend of the arc, (within reason) and Jinbe being missing despite being THE biggest ally with by far the most screen time was a major bit of suspicious business.

I don't know why he made it into the 724 spread two years later, other than guessing it was a left over illustration that was pulled out of storage or finished to meet the deadline given it was super tied into an arc location… 100 chapters later. Also, Jimbei's cover story started like a month after that.

Oda made a point to keep Jimbei from a piece where he certainly belonged, and 100% no question deliberately left Jinbe out of the character poll drawing because Strawhat. And he's STILL leaving him out, but not doing the same separation for Carrot? Heck, he didn't even leave Pedro out and he's supposed to be dead.

If he'd dead set on keeping Jimbei out of hero spreads because he's not part of the crew yet, why not Carrot? He could have a couple less minks to make it less obvious... or not done the minks at all. I'd say this is way more damning than the previous volume cover everyone was going on about. He's not keeping Carrot separated at all, he's once agaiin lumping her in with the other minks enmasse.

If it was a strawhats on zou + everyone on zou colorspread it makes sense jinbe wouldn't be there.

[FelRes]

Can we finally discount Carrot as lookout because she somehow didn't see that huge goddamn ship coming at them?

[KageKageKing]

@FelRes:

Can we finally discount Carrot as lookout because she somehow didn't see that huge goddamn ship coming at them?

You had one job, Carrot!

[theackwardstation]

@FelRes:

Can we finally discount Carrot as lookout because she somehow didn't see that huge goddamn ship coming at them?

And Jimbe as helmsman for not dodging

[Long John Silvers Rayleigh]

Someone mentioned on their review pedro is standing on a tree in front of the clouds. Does this also mean confirmation that pedro is dead and in the sky (heaven) now?

Real talk nothing in this really changed my opinions on NN.

[AvocadoInTheRain]

@FelRes:

Can we finally discount Carrot as lookout because she somehow didn't see that huge goddamn ship coming at them?

@KageKageKing:

You had one job, Carrot!

The passage of time is kind of wonky here. The Cantor probably didn't sneak up on them.

[Nilitch]

How is the ship getting destroyed now, but this happened 90 chapters ago?
https://i4.mangareader.net/one-piece/807/one-piece-6538975.jpg

[theackwardstation]

@Nilitch:

How is the ship getting destroyed now, but this happened 90 chapters ago?
https://i4.mangareader.net/one-piece/807/one-piece-6538975.jpg

Because the Strawhats are supposed to lose to the powers of Big Mom's crew while they are completely surrounded. Oda could draw 3 chapter with the details of HOW they were defeated instead of dealing with cannonballs and other kinds of attacks, but he prefers to convey the message in a concise narrative. They were defeated because they were overwhelmed. That's it.

Anyway, if the technicalities are a concern, the situation now is pretty much different from what happened near the seas of Dressrosa. They were going in the other direction of Mama's ship and they were not surrounded.

[.access timeco.]

@theackwardstation:

And Jimbe as helmsman for not dodging

Yeah, whoever was stirring the Sunny here and kept avoiding all the shots is giving Jinbe a run for his money. Look at the Sunny jumping for christ sake! That ship could be the lookout with that jumping ability! Bet it is Usopp… he was not aboard, but with his vision he could be sniping the fuck out of the helm from all the way back in Dressrosa.

[Kdom]

@Long:

If it was a strawhats on zou + everyone on zou colorspread it makes sense jinbe wouldn't be there.

Totally, there is a simple explanation but i imagine it is better to split hair with weird theories.
Also Jinbe and Carrot are in 2 completely different situations. Oda has told that Jinbe is a future Strawhat. It’s 200% sure now. It’s just that he had not his official chter yet.

[Jazzy Jinx]

Jinbe is never going to have his "official" joining at this rate.

Even if they're out at sea, I'm thinking a meteor is going to fall out of the sky while they're about to kanpai. And Jinbe just continues to forever be excluded from color spreads.

[SeaOfHope]

Well, it's been a nice 20 years, guys!

[Dranza]

I don't know….that Carrot Sanji is cooking for Carrot looks awfully inviting

[The Tenth Strawhat]

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[SeaOfHope]

@The:

Когда-то был человек по имени Голд Роджер, который был королем пиратов

Он обладал славой, силой и богатством за ваши самые смелые мечты

Прежде чем они повесили его с виселицы, это были последние слова, которые он сказал

«Мое счастье - ваше за взятие, но сначала вам нужно его найти, я оставил все, что у меня есть в One Piece».

С тех пор пираты со всего мира отправились в Великую Линию, ища One Piece, сокровище, которое воплотило бы в жизнь их мечты

Мечта, не отчаивайся Луффи

Мечта, не отказывайся от Золо

Мечта, не отказывайся от Нами

Мечта, не сдавайся, не сдавайся!

Вот как мы рассказываем историю, мы узнаем

О сокровище в Великой Линии нет никаких сомнений

Пират, чей глаз на нем, он будет петь

Я буду королем пиратов, я буду королем

Его зовут Луффи

Это обезьяна Д. Луффи

Собираюсь быть королем пиратов!

Он сделан из резины!

Как это произошло?

Йо-хо-хо он взял укус Gum Gum

Его зовут Золо, он как самурай

И L-A-D-Y Намине стесняется

Усопп делает то, что marskman вещь

Кулинария Санджи

Врач измельчителя

Установить паруса для One Piece

Это имя сокровища в Великой Линии

Должен идти, должен отправиться в парус для One Piece

Why did you feel the need to post this?

[Galaxy 9000]

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[Kdom]

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[Kaido King of the Beasts]

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[Silent K]

Great theory on Carrot joining:

[FelRes]

@Galaxy:

carrots for sale

www.freshmarket.com

But they're worthless, why would you pay for one?

Side note: I just realized today is both Easter AND April Fool's Day.

[onemoment]

@FelRes:

But they're worthless, why would you pay for one?

Side note: I just realized today is both Easter AND April Fool's Day.

Actually, it can legally only be one at a time.

[FelRes]

Arrest Carrot.

[Kaido King of the Beasts]

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[FelRes]

Arrest Russians.

[Lord Monkey D.]

strawhats Hoch Heghpu', poH qa'meH wa' Hegh

[BattleFranky69]

I think someone mentioned the possibility of a kunoichi from Wano joining and while that would be interesting, after getting burnt out on Naruto (having to finish that thing was a chore after the Pain arc), I'm not too wild about it unless Oda really goes all out. I kind of wanted someone with a kind of magic to join (since the Tontatta tribe weren't actual fairies, that opportunity kind of went by the wayside) without the drawback of getting it from a Devil Fruit but maybe someone with ninjitsu skill will be close enough to that to be able to stand apart from the rest of the crew and still dazzle. That person would also have the potential to be extremely strong as well, or just staying more tactical like Nami and Usopp. Bonus points if it's a longarm or longleg or some other variation of human. I'd actually rather see one of those than see a Mink join since we've already got Chopper to fill the animal-human (as opposed to the Fishman/Mermaid which are their own thing). Or maybe one of those demon people like Moria, Magellan, Kaido or Bartolomeo.

[Long John Silvers Rayleigh]

@BattleFranky69:

I think someone mentioned the possibility of a kunoichi from Wano joining and while that would be interesting, after getting burnt out on Naruto (having to finish that thing was a chore after the Pain arc), I'm not too wild about it unless Oda really goes all out. I kind of wanted someone with a kind of magic to join (since the Tontatta tribe weren't actual fairies, that opportunity kind of went by the wayside) without the drawback of getting it from a Devil Fruit but maybe someone with ninjitsu skill will be close enough to that to be able to stand apart from the rest of the crew and still dazzle. That person would also have the potential to be extremely strong as well, or just staying more tactical like Nami and Usopp. Bonus points if it's a longarm or longleg or some other variation of human. I'd actually rather see one of those than see a Mink join since we've already got Chopper to fill the animal-human (as opposed to the Fishman/Mermaid which are their own thing). Or maybe one of those demon people like Moria, Magellan, Kaido or Bartolomeo.

I have no doubt a volume after oda created a kunoichi character for a strawhat she'd be a better written character than any female kishimoto has ever written

[Count Mario]

@Long:

I have no doubt a volume after oda created a kunoichi character for a strawhat she'd be a better written character than any female kishimoto has ever written

On the other hand, she's guaranteed to never get a fight until the end of the series and might be the third long-haired curvy hourglass-shaped girl. I'll take better written characterization over fights and unique design, but it's still a shame…

[Long John Silvers Rayleigh]

@Count:

On the other hand, she's guaranteed to never get a fight until the end of the series and might be the third long-haired curvy hourglass-shaped girl. I'll take better written characterization over fights and unique design, but it's still a shame…

I know where your going with this but if she was a crewmate I assume shed be a little different in design. I know rebecca still haunts oda's writing of females but she presumably would still have some role in this arc hypothetically alongside the final war.

You might be right but I dont want to be anti woman joining just so I can get MOAR ACTION lol

[Count Mario]

@Long:

I know where your going with this but if she was a crewmate I assume shed be a little different in design. I know rebecca still haunts oda's writing of females but she presumably would still have some role in this arc hypothetically alongside the final war.

You might be right but I dont want to be anti woman joining just so I can get MOAR ACTION lol

Facial design, hopefully. It's everything else about her design I'm worried about lol.

I would happily take another woman over MOAR ACTION, especially since even some of the guys like Sanji, Chopper, and Brook are barely getting any lol.

[Long John Silvers Rayleigh]

@Count:

Facial design, hopefully. It's everything else about her design I'm worried about lol.

I would happily take another woman over MOAR ACTION, especially since even some of the guys like Sanji, Chopper, and Brook are barely getting any lol.

Ehhh the manga design doesnt bother me as much as the animes caricatures of it. We know she'll be skinny probably and not flat but as long as she has some restraint with his pervertedness Im fine. With all the women in WCI at least they are not all busty and cleveaged out.

[Count Mario]

@Long:

Ehhh the manga design doesnt bother me as much as the animes caricatures of it. We know she'll be skinny probably and not flat but as long as she has some restraint with his pervertedness Im fine. With all the women in WCI at least they are not all busty and cleveaged out.

That's the issue. Oda only pushes himself to make unique female designs when he's stuck with island casts largely consisting of women lol. Once Wano Country starts, we're back to the old grind.

[RamistaR]

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[BattleFranky69]

@Long:

I have no doubt a volume after oda created a kunoichi character for a strawhat she'd be a better written character than any female kishimoto has ever written

How she's written wasn't really my concern, it was her skill repertoire that I was more referring to. As a character I have confidence that Oda will have no problem making her compelling and whatnot. I just don't know if he's going to make her as spectacular a fighter as, say, Franky was during his first introduction where he pulled out at least a dozen amazing tricks during his first couple of skirmishes before and during Enies Lobby.

[.access timeco.]

Since the grandma SH will never come true, we know a third female SH will necessarily be a beautiful/cute young woman who the reader is supposed to find likeable and Oda is very limited when he is designing those. BMP have a bunch of unique female designs because he wasn't going for that with any of them… except Pudding, who not coincidently is the only WCI female character that feels like a design rehashed a thousand times.
Also, since unlike the male SH, the female ones don't usually stick to a unique pattern of clothing and keep changing their style constantly when they get a new attire, we know any uniqueness the said female SH can get thanks to her initial unique clothing style (something we would expect from a kunoichi) will be forfeit as soon as she steps out of her hometown and gets her first change of clothes.

So, based on your posts, you would want Oda to give us a female SH that doesn't look like Nami or Robin, has body/facial traits that sets her apart from the regular good girls, doesn't have big boobs and is never used to please the perverted readers? And you even would prefer one who is prone to have action scenes???? Oh, please... that's never going to happen...

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[RamistaR]

Eventhough I don't want to participate in this debate once more, I have one question I never asked. Simple curiosity and directed at anyone who wants to answer it.

Is the "issue" of Oda's female design something that bothers you only when you start thinking a little about it ?
Or do you get genuinely bothered during your first reading experience of a chapter introducing such female characters ?

Basically the question is :
Do you actually think "shit an other Nami clone" when you read a new chapter ? Or is it something you think afterwards when "analyzing" the chapter ?

[Chams]

Whole Cake had some interesting women characters, Big Mom sort of included. Smoothie and Brulée were really interesting as well, but while one of them faded completely from action the other became the deus ex machina for everything in this arc, lol

(I love how everyone's already aboard for female shinobi character, myself included. When the first women appears in Wano arc this threat will become a battle zone)

[.access timeco.]

@RamistaR:

Eventhough I don't want to participate in this debate once more, I have one question I never asked. Simple curiosity and directed at anyone who wants to answer it.

Is the "issue" of Oda's female design something that bothers you only when you start thinking a little about it ?
Or do you get genuinely bothered during your first reading experience of a chapter introducing such female characters ?

Basically the question is :
Do you actually think "shit an other Nami clone" when you read a new chapter ? Or is it something you think afterwards when "analyzing" the chapter ?

To me is something that instantly gets my attention. Ever since I was a kid, I always preferred female characters, so the way they are handled and presented has always been one of the first things that I notice when reading/watching something (long before "women's depiction" ever became a real topic in my mind).
In OP's case it is particularly annoying because we know Oda is able to pull amazing wacky designs whenever required, so when we get 1 new female character in a an arc and 30 new guys and the female one is the only to look like zero effort was put into…

[BattleFranky69]

@.access:

Since the grandma SH will never come true, we know a third female SH will necessarily be a beautiful/cute young woman who the reader is supposed to find likeable and Oda is very limited when he is designing those. BMP have a bunch of unique female designs because he wasn't going for that with any of them… except Pudding, who not coincidently is the only WCI female character that feels like a design rehashed a thousand times.
Also, since unlike the male SH, the female ones don't usually stick to a unique pattern of clothing and keep changing their style constantly when they get a new attire, we know any uniqueness the said female SH can get thanks to her initial unique clothing style (something we would expect from a kunoichi) will be forfeit as soon as she steps out of her hometown and gets her first change of clothes.

So, based on your posts, you would want Oda to give us a female SH that doesn't look like Nami or Robin, has body/facial traits that sets her apart from the regular good girls, doesn't have big boobs and is never used to please the perverted readers? And you even would prefer one who is prone to have action scenes???? Oh, please... that's never going to happen...

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It's not as though a kunoichi's clothing need to abandon the kind of aesthetic you'd expect, there's tons of possibilities for it to give her plenty of new outfits for each arc, or even just having very minor variations like the male characters. Even a color-swap is an option without changing the style of the outfit. No big deal. But we've seen plenty of new faces from Oda in terms of females, including my new favorite Cinnamon, so it's not as though the new girl need be non-human (although I'd generally prefer that, even if only a variation like a Longarm or Longleg) to stand out from Nami and Robin.

@RamistaR:

Eventhough I don't want to participate in this debate once more, I have one question I never asked. Simple curiosity and directed at anyone who wants to answer it.

Is the "issue" of Oda's female design something that bothers you only when you start thinking a little about it ?
Or do you get genuinely bothered during your first reading experience of a chapter introducing such female characters ?

Basically the question is :
Do you actually think "shit an other Nami clone" when you read a new chapter ? Or is it something you think afterwards when "analyzing" the chapter ?

Nope. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. Every artist needs a quirk and I find Oda's 'sameness' with his female characters charming (the fact that he admits it and is a bit embarrassed by it - at least in an SBS I remember reading - is something I admire him for doing rather than making excuses). The fact that he's been able to transition away from that is rather endearing too, something to look forward to every time, although I'm never disappointed to see the 'default' female face. That it gives him a reason to make all their hairstyles different or give them unique hats is creatively enjoyable.

[theackwardstation]

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[theackwardstation]

@.access:

Since the grandma SH will never come true, we know a third female SH will necessarily be a beautiful/cute young woman who the reader is supposed to find likeable and Oda is very limited when he is designing those. BMP have a bunch of unique female designs because he wasn't going for that with any of them… except Pudding, who not coincidently is the only WCI female character that feels like a design rehashed a thousand times.

Pudding has simpler facial features that are very similar to other females in One Piece, but I'd like to add that Oda goes deep with her facial expressions (he's not even afraid to make her look gross or ugly). I think she is a very remarkable character visually because of the way she is drawn here and there.

Don't want to disagree with your overall line of thinking tough.

@.access:

Also, since unlike the male SH, the female ones don't usually stick to a unique pattern of clothing and keep changing their style constantly when they get a new attire, we know any uniqueness the said female SH can get thanks to her initial unique clothing style (something we would expect from a kunoichi) will be forfeit as soon as she steps out of her hometown and gets her first change of clothes.

Another aspect I'd like to mention is that the female Strawhats used to have a particular style of clothing even tough they constantly change their attire. Nami used to be more of a sexy-casual girl while Robin was more of a "femme fatale chic indie cowgirl-cult" woman. Before the time skip, that is. In the New World things got a little more all over the place.

[.access timeco.]

@theackwardstation:

Pudding has simpler facial features that are very similar to other females in One Piece, but I'd like to add that Oda goes deep with her facial expressions (he's not even afraid to make her look gross or ugly). I think she is a very remarkable character visually because of the way she is drawn here and there.

I would say she is a unique character with a standard design (which is already a lot more than we can say about any other "Nami clone"). In her particular case, it could very well be she looking like "Good Girl #17" was made on purpose to throw us off by enforcing the general impression she was just the good friend of the arc (which would mean that Oda not only is aware of his limitations, something he already admited, but is using it in his favor).