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Ahahhaahha that comic strip had me in stitches! Great stuff, very funny 
Everyone knows Cajun is the more superior form of Mutant French anyway.
Cajuns don't give a shit what France thinks about anything. Like a good and proper New World bastard ought to.
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Ahahhaahha that comic strip had me in stitches! Great stuff, very funny
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Cool! I would love to have my own self-driving car! :)
I also think with these coming out more, that it means less likely there would be accidents and such. Plus, it can give you time to do other things while driving, or even better yet when you are in traffic. So, yeah o:
Is there one of those comics about Spain and Chile?
Because, if any country has put a unique spin on a global language, it's the Chileans.
Complicating things since 2009.
Is there one of those about Spain and Chile?
Not that I know of, but there is this for Latin America, maybe the best one period.
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Where do you find these?
I've always loved this one, because this is a real thing.
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Where do you find these?
google image search "polandball"
That reminds me, Denmark-Norway used to have a small colonial empire, too. Is any remnant of them still left in places like the Virgin Islands, Monkey King?
@Monkey:
Not that I know of, but there is this for Latin America, maybe the best one period.
It's the sun's expressions on the flag that wins me over.
@S.C.:
That reminds me, Denmark-Norway used to have a small colonial empire, too. Is any remnant of them still left in places like the Virgin Islands, Monkey King?
I think the only overseas possessions Denmark still has are Greenland and the Faroe Islands. They sold the rest of them over the years to pay off debts and avoid the costs of maintaining control of them.
Complicating things since 2009.
I think the only overseas possessions Denmark still has are Greenland and the Faroe Islands. They sold the rest of them over the years to pay off debts and avoid the costs of maintaining control of them.
Right. I was asking if there was any cultural or linguistic remnants in the places they used to rule.
Haha, I really don't understand how Spanish in Chile got so bad, like, what the hell exactly happened there?
Things I know about Chile:
@Monkey:
google image search "polandball"
Be careful tho because I've seen some very…Balkan, Polandballs that go dark places.
How the hell do you even enforce something so stupid? Who would be petty enough to report it? At what point is it okay to say "if your head is that far up your ass, you belong in France?" Although I'm pretty sure the French hate French Canadians more than anyone.
Yeah, good job being an asshole. The motion Femme talked about is total non-news merely inviting people to say "bonjour" it's not a law or anything, merely a suggestion…
That article is just a part of a trend of anti-french propaganda by canadian extreme-right media. Quebec bashing is something at least as popular in Canada than the contrary in Québec.
Saying that anglophoes are a persecuted minority anywhere in Canada is downright ridiculous. Québec is the last remaining place in canada where french is predominant but frankly perhaps it wouldn't be so if not for the "oppressive" language laws. Some english media would make you believe that we are the 4th reich dammit.
TLDR : The motion basicly was the parliement politely asking shopkeppers to say "bonjour"
@Monkey:
"Hi "
a baguette cracks in two
a New Wave film becomes colorized
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Lmao xD
Honestly, Quebec’s war on English/everyone else often feels like they react this way.
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Yeah, good job being an asshole. The motion Femme talked about is total non-news merely inviting people to say "bonjour" it's not a law or anything, merely a suggestion…
That article is just a part of a trend of anti-french propaganda by canadian extreme-right media. Quebec bashing is something at least as popular in Canada than the contrary in Québec.
Saying that anglophoes are a persecuted minority anywhere in Canada is downright ridiculous. Québec is the last remaining place in canada where french is predominant but frankly perhaps it wouldn't be so if not for the "oppressive" language laws. Some english media would make you believe that we are the 4th reich dammit.
TLDR : The motion basicly was the parliement politely asking shopkeppers to say "bonjour"
Sorry but even though this is just a motion, it’s incredibly silly. Even as a francophone you have to admit that.
Also, how is CTV extreme-right news? :/
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Yeah, good job being an asshole. The motion Femme talked about is total non-news merely inviting people to say "bonjour" it's not a law or anything, merely a suggestion…
That article is just a part of a trend of anti-french propaganda by canadian extreme-right media. Quebec bashing is something at least as popular in Canada than the contrary in Québec.
Saying that anglophoes are a persecuted minority anywhere in Canada is downright ridiculous. Québec is the last remaining place in canada where french is predominant but frankly perhaps it wouldn't be so if not for the "oppressive" language laws. Some english media would make you believe that we are the 4th reich dammit.
TLDR : The motion basicly was the parliement politely asking shopkeppers to say "bonjour"
Mate they still speak some sort of crazy moon French down in the Louisiana bayous, I'm thinking maybe Quebec needs to chill the fuck out about going culturally extinct.
Godsakes, Quebec has even piddled Francophone people into parts of New England and it meanders on. Even in parts of friggin' Connecticut this isn't totally unheard of (I met a young dude once who was fluent, learned from his folks).
@Monkey:
People who speak English: Anglophone Canadians, French-Canadians, Most Tourists.
People who speak French: French-Canadians, the French, occasional Belgian tourists and Haitian immigrants.
Wtf are you talking about ? He said "but what about the tourists ? Is anyone thinking about them ?" and I kind of replied "why are they even part of the equation" ?
Also said it was dumb because every shop-owners (or just everyone) do not speak French in Quebec.
But in the end it's just a motion, not a law.
Wtf are you talking about ? He said "but what about the tourists ? Is anyone thinking about them ?" and I kind of replied "why are they even part of the equation" ?
Also said it was dumb because every shop-owners (or just everyone) do not speak French in Quebec.
But in the end it's just a motion, not a law.
Tourists are part of the equation because the Montreal city centre is a tourist destination, thus, tons of anglophones.
It’s the sort of relaxed atmosphere where you can comfortably speak in english when needed, and there isn’t that pressure of needing to speak French to receive services.
Wtf are you talking about ? He said "but what about the tourists ? Is anyone thinking about them ?" and I kind of replied "why are they even part of the equation" ?
I dunno if you think like Quebec is some podunk forest outpost with a few scattered embattled Frenchmen or what, but it actually has a major world class city, and at least one other notable (and beautiful) urban center on top of that.
Tourism is always a huge thing for any given business owner in such places, especially if they live somewhere otherwise surrounded by people who speak something else.
My college age female cousins for instance make the occasional foray up there.
Lmao xD
Honestly, Quebec’s war on English/everyone else often feels like they react this way.
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Sorry but even though this is just a motion, it’s incredibly silly. Even as a francophone you have to admit that.
Also, how is CTV extreme-right news? :/
I have to wonder if you ever came to Quebec to believe the is a "war on english"? Frankly this is as ridicuous as the "war on christmas" or others such silly attempts by the majorities to justify their own prejudices. A few news snipets and random anecdotes (invented or not) don't mean there is such a trend.
You should start by realising that there always has been a portion of canadian that seem to resent us for existing (such is the anglo propaganda that it even riled a Canadian terrorist to try to assassinate one of our prime minister, recently).
Perhaps you would gain by learning about the history of oppressive tendencies of the majority against minorities in canada (indigenous, french, asian, etc.). If you would take the time to think for a moment you would realise that there is a reason why separatists movements still exist today.
I have to wonder if you ever came to Quebec to believe the is a "war on english"? Frankly this is as ridicuous as the "war on christmas" or others such silly attempts by the majorities to justify their own prejudices. A few news snipets and random anecdotes (invented or not) don't mean there is such a trend.
You should start by realising that there always has been a portion of canadian that seem to resent us for existing (such is the anglo propaganda that it even riled a Canadian terrorist to try to assassinate one of our prime minister, recently).
Perhaps you would gain by learning about the history of oppressive tendencies of the majority against minorities in canada (indigenous, french, asian, etc.). If you would take the time to think for a moment you would realise that there is a reason why separatists movements still exist today.
"It's just a trend!" - continues us v them mentality and digs an even deeper whole.
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I have to wonder if you ever came to Quebec to believe the is a "war on english"? Frankly this is as ridicuous as the "war on christmas" or others such silly attempts by the majorities to justify their own prejudices. A few news snipets and random anecdotes (invented or not) don't mean there is such a trend.
You should start by realising that there always has been a portion of canadian that seem to resent us for existing (such is the anglo propaganda that it even riled a Canadian terrorist to try to assassinate one of our prime minister, recently).
Perhaps you would gain by learning about the history of oppressive tendencies of the majority against minorities in canada (indigenous, french, asian, etc.). If you would take the time to think for a moment you would realise that there is a reason why separatists movements still exist today.
Sorry if I offended you, I was being sarcastic about the “war on English” thing. Should’ve added a :ninja:.
Also, I don’t think I need any educating about the oppressive tendencies of majorities against minorities of canada lol, but sure.
@Monkey:
Mate they still speak some sort of crazy moon French down in the Louisiana bayous, I'm thinking maybe Quebec needs to chill the fuck out about going culturally extinct.
Godsakes, Quebec has even piddled Francophone people into parts of New England and it meanders on. Even in parts of friggin' Connecticut this isn't totally unheard of (I met a young dude once who was fluent, learned from his folks).
Just because there are still minorities of french speakers in regions outside Quebec doesn't mean much.
French in Quebec is stable because there is an effort to make it stable. Montreal was once almost turned into a english speaking city by the way and not by lack of trying. You'd have to speak white in most businesses and government offices to get a job and got noting else than disdain as "peasoups" working class.
People who lived a the end of that era are still living today.
I do think that the reaction to a very real threat to french language has been mostly reserved through history and nothing that makes us the extremists some medias paint us. English is very much allowed in Quebec, the laws simply aim to keep a balance where French doesn't just vanish in the long term (french school for people other that the english minority, asking that businesses speak french first not second, french in the workplace, french or allophone speaking immigration).
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Sorry if I offended you, I was being sarcastic about the “war on English” thing. Should’ve added a :ninja:.
Also, I don’t think I need any educating about the oppressive tendencies of majorities against minorities of canada lol, but sure.
That's why it hurts, as a minority, I'd expect that you wouldn't assimilate in the worst aspects of canada like french bashing.
The same can be said of the reverse though, so yeah, it's kind of depressing…
Perhaps you would gain by learning about the history of oppressive tendencies of the majority against minorities in canada (indigenous, french, asian, etc.). If you would take the time to think for a moment you would realise that there is a reason why separatists movements still exist today.
Because Femme is too polite to say it, you're talking to someone who is a visibly Muslim West Indian.
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Just because there are still minorities of french speakers in regions outside Quebec doesn't mean much.
It means Francophone-doomsday is a grievous exaggeration.
French in Quebec is stable because there is an effort to make it stable.
French in Louisiana has remained for hundreds of years because _______.
You have a huge population of geographically concentrated French speakers. Do you have any idea what it takes to stamp something like that out?
Montreal was once almost turned into a english speaking city by the way and not by lack of trying.
Tell me about it, because the most I can find on that is some time like 200 years ago where English became the business language there.
You'd have to speak white in most businesses and government offices
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People who lived a the end of that era are still living today.
While I still want something to read on the subject, if you have to say this about something… then probably it isn't hugely relevant to modern day silliness about English greetings in stores.
I chuckle at "speak white". Because english people are white and french aren't, of course! The french are french, they're in a race of their own.
@Monkey:
Because Femme is too polite to say it, you're talking to someone who is a visibly Muslim West Indian.
I know that from being in this forum for a while and mostly reading and rarely posting.
But just because you yourself are a minority doesn't mean knowing about the history of the other minorities I mentionned.
I know that from being in this forum for a while and mostly reading and rarely posting.
But just because you yourself are a minority doesn't mean knowing about the history of the other minorities I mentionned.
Listen dude. I have nothing against French Canadians. I support French Canadians and I love the French language. However, the motion was absolutely stupid and if I was bashing anybody, it’d be the politicians who did something absolutely silly and unnecessary. Encouraging people not to say “bonjour-hi” by putting an actual motion through? It’s stupid, and from the commenters online, many francophones agree.
I chuckle at "speak white". Because english people are white and french aren't, of course! The french are french, they're in a race of their own.
It was an expression used to belittle people that spoke other language than english. And yes, it was used in canada against french as silly as it is.
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Listen dude. I have nothing against French Canadians. I support French Canadians and I love the French language. However, the motion was absolutely stupid and if I was bashing anybody, it’d be the politicians who did something absolutely silly and unnecessary. Encouraging people not to say “bonjour-hi” by putting an actual motion through? It’s stupid, and from the commenters online, many francophones agree.
Did you read the motion though? (only reason I did was decause of your post, it wasn't a big news in Quebec as far as I know)
It basicly asks politely to use "bonjour" rather than "bonjour/hi".
There are no brown shirts in the street enforcing the thought police.
Honestly, I didn’t, because I’m used to news like this from Quebec now. The face-covering ban pretty much made me lose all hope in Quebec’s politicians, and this just felt like another step in that direction.
It doesn’t matter how polite the motion is though. Trying to change the way people greet each other is.. weird, to put it mildly.
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French in Louisiana has remained for hundreds of years because _______.
You have a huge population of geographically concentrated French speakers. Do you have any idea what it takes to stamp something like that out?
The French language hasn't declined at all in Louisiana ?
We need a First Nations person in here to make this look even dumber.
The French language hasn't declined at all in Louisiana ?
It's actually rebounding a bit.
Honestly, I didn’t, because I’m used to news like this from Quebec now. The face-covering ban pretty much made me lose all hope in Quebec’s politicians, and this just felt like another step in that direction.
It doesn’t matter how polite the motion is though. Trying to change the way people greet each other is.. weird, to put it mildly.
While I think that religions ARE retrograde and frankly I do believe we would be much better without them. Such a thing as religiously defined gender roles ARE inacceptable in my opinion and the fact that women should act in in accordance to ideals of "modesty" and "virtue" is frankly repulsive to me.
But…
The face covering ban debacle is part of a global trend of islamophobia and I don't think people who believe in islam should be targeted. I do realise that some people who approve such measures do it out of bigotry and that it shouldn't be encouraged.
BUT you do realise that the issue of islamophobia in the western world has NOTHING to do with ongoing efforts in Quebec to preserve the french language.
Honestly, I didn’t, because I’m used to news like this from Quebec now. The face-covering ban pretty much made me lose all hope in Quebec’s politicians, and this just felt like another step in that direction.
It doesn’t matter how polite the motion is though. Trying to change the way people greet each other is.. weird, to put it mildly.
It's bloody authoritarian that's what it is. What happened to the harm principle Quebec, jeez!
While I think that religions ARE retrograde and frankly I do believe we would be much better without them. Such a thing as religiously defined gender roles ARE inacceptable in my opinion and the fact that women should act in in accordance to ideals of "modesty" and "virtue" is frankly repulsive to me.
But…
The face covering ban debacle is part of a global trend of islamophobia and I don't think people who believe in islam should be targeted. I do realise that some people who approve such measures do it out of bigotry and that it shouldn't be encouraged.
BUT you do realise that the issue of islamophobia in the western world has NOTHING to do with ongoing efforts in Quebec to preserve the french language.
Except.. it does? Because the ban was put in effect to “conserve the French Quebec culture”, under the pretence of “security”, however the law targets a small minority of Muslim women in an effort to force them to abandon their own religious and cultural values and assimilate into what Quebec feels is its own culture.
It’s the same sort of enforcement to preserve Quebec’s .. Quebecness, except actually, and shamefully, legal.
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Except.. it does? Because the ban was put in effect to “conserve the French Quebec culture”, under the pretence of “security”, however the law targets a small minority of Muslim women in an effort to force them to abandon their own religious and cultural values and assimilate into what Quebec feels is its own culture.
It’s the same sort of enforcement to preserve Quebec’s .. Quebecness, except actually, and shamefully, legal.
Look, I don't approve the ban so I'm not gonna defend it but…
It normal for people who want to live in a province where french is the language to actually speak french. It's about respect for the culture, if I immigrated to catalonia I would learn catalonian not spanish, if I immigrated to estonia I would learn estonian not russian, if I immigrated to wales I would learn whatever is their language not english. Look at most of the regions with a separatist movement and there is a commonality in that the local language is somewhat in dancer in the long term (read decades, centuries).
The debate about the ban is partly islamophobia, and that part I can't abide by because it targets one religion more than the others.
But both the Bible, the Koran are very very dated and, I would argue, contains values that are at odds with democratic societies (retarded gender roles, anti-abortion, discriminatory to LGBT, etc, etc, etc).
I mean, even the veil IS profondly sexist in nature. After all, do men have to wear it? Of course not, it's a double standard and is only a small part of religion's efforts to create the differentiation of rights and responsabilities between men and women.
Your opinion on my religion is irrelevant in this discussion.
Perhaps you can take your advice to me and apply it to yourself, hm?
@Sparsebeard:
Perhaps you would gain by learning about the history of oppressive tendencies of the majority against minorities in canada (indigenous, french, asian, etc.). If you would take the time to think for a moment.
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Look, I don't approve the ban so I'm not gonna defend it but…
It normal for people who want to live in a province where french is the language to actually speak french. It's about respect for the culture, if I immigrated to catalonia I would learn catalonian not spanish, if I immigrated to estonia I would learn estonian not russian, if I immigrated to wales I would learn whatever is their language not english. Look at most of the regions with a separatist movement and there is a commonality in that the local language is somewhat in dancer in the long term (read decades, centuries).
@Bold You're kidding, right? Like, you gotta be kidding. Just.. what? Are you out of your MIND? No, seriously, I can sort of maybe understand the misunderstanding with the catalans… but you think the welsh don't learn english? WHAT? That's INSANE! Jesus. O.o
Also, why tf are we rehashing the ban discussion again? We all agreed it was stupid. And discussing islam's morality doesn't change that.
I don't like how authoritarian your thinking is...
Your opinion on my religion is irrelevant in this discussion.
Perhaps you can take your advice to me and apply it to yourself, hm?
It's not about YOUR religion, it's about ALL religions.
And yes I do believe that some rights (equality of men/women, LGBT rights, equality of humans whatever the color of the skin) are much more important than the right of free religion, but that's not even the point.
I'm not saying that the LAW to force people to wear some clothes is right. Just that the practice itself is sexist.
I'm just criticising what I percieve as a sexist practice, one amongst MANY other, I just made that particular point because you opened the discussion on it. Are you saying that religions are NOT sexist, discriminatory, etc.?
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@Bold You're kidding, right? Like, you gotta be kidding. Just.. what? Are you out of your MIND? No, seriously, I can sort of maybe understand the misunderstanding with the catalans… but you think the welsh don't learn english? WHAT? That's INSANE! Jesus. O.o
Still, how would you feel if most immigrants to Italy decided not to learn italian?
Also, why tf are we rehashing the ban discussion again? We all agreed it was stupid. And discussing islam's morality doesn't change that.
I don't like how authoritarian your thinking is…
I don't support the ban, doesn't mean I have to think religions aren't dangerous, all of them.
It's not about YOUR religion, it's about ALL religions.
And yes I do believe that some rights (equality of men/women, LGBT rights, equality of humans whatever the color of the skin) are the right of free religion, but that's not even the point.
I'm not saying that the LAW to force people to wear some clothes is right. Just that the practice itself is sexist.
I'm just criticising what I percieve as a sexist practice, one amongst MANY other, I just made that particular point because you opened the discussion on it. Are you saying that religions are NOT sexist, discriminatory, etc.?
She just told you your opinion or religion is irrelevant. Yet you continue to yap on about it. Go do that on the theist discussion thread or something. Hell, make one and watch it get taken down if you want. Just stay on topic.
I'm saying this as someone whose… totally anti-islam and I've made that clear on the forum many times but... all these points you've made are really completely irrelevant to the discussion. Even if you're right about islam being sexist, discriminatory, etc, what the hell is your point?
Also, why tf are we rehashing the ban discussion again? We all agreed it was stupid. And discussing islam's morality doesn't change that.
Actually, both you and I had agreed that banning the full veil was the thing to do :ninja:
Still, how would you feel if most immigrants to Italy decided not to learn italian?
A much closer analogy would be "how would you feel if most visitors to Vatican City refused to communicate in Latin?" That's about how dumb this argument is.
Still, how would you feel if most immigrants to Italy decided not to learn italian?
That's… that's not the same as Catalonia or Wales. Do you... do you not see what the issue with these two regions you've singled out is.. (hint hint they speak their COUNTRY's language and their original language is barely taught as a second language)
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Actually, both you and I had agreed that banning the full veil was the thing to do :ninja:
Oh yeah, I think I changed my mind once I realised it affected literally 80-100 people at which point I stopped caring, because it has negligible effects on the true problem of young women being forced into wearing religious clothes by their families and not getting the chance to exercise their free will.
It's not about YOUR religion, it's about ALL religions.
And yes I do believe that some rights (equality of men/women, LGBT rights, equality of humans whatever the color of the skin) are the right of free religion, but that's not even the point.
I'm not saying that the LAW to force people to wear some clothes is right. Just that the practice itself is sexist.
I'm just criticising what I percieve as a sexist practice, one amongst MANY other, I just made that particular point because you opened the discussion on it. Are you saying that religions are NOT sexist, discriminatory, etc.?
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Still, how would you feel if most immigrants to Italy decided not to learn italian?
I don't support the ban, doesn't mean I have to think religions aren't dangerous, all of them.
So you’re taking my point about Quebec’s backward religious law that was created to “preserve Quebec” and using it as an opportunity to discuss your own religious opinions. Okay.
Anyhow, your stances on language are almost delusional. I actually just got home from a 15-country trip all over the world and spoke English freely and received English service in every single country. Including France. It is absolutely normal to make tourist destinations English-Friendly, and forcing Montreal to stop is idiotic.
She just told you your opinion or religion is irrelevant. Yet you continue to yap on about it. Go do that on the theist discussion thread or something. Hell, make one and watch it get taken down if you want. Just stay on topic.
I'm saying this as someone whose… totally anti-islam and I've made that clear on the forum many times but... all these points you've made are really completely irrelevant to the discussion. Even if you're right about islam being sexist, discriminatory, etc, what the hell is your point?
Frankly, I find the way you single out islam amongst all religions to be offensive.
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So you’re taking my point about Quebec’s backward religious law that was created to “preserve Quebec” and using it as an opportunity to discuss your own religious opinions. Okay.
Anyhow, your stances on language are almost delusional. I actually just got home from a 15-country trip all over the world and spoke English freely and received English service in every single country. Including France. It is absolutely normal to make tourist destinations English-Friendly, and forcing Montreal to stop is idiotic.
Go to montreal or quebec and speak english and you'll recieve as good service as in any of those other countries you went to.
The only reason I talk about what I think about religion is because you are trying to equate two totally different issues.
Frankly, I find the way you single out islam amongst all religions to be offensive.
I don't care :wassat:
Sue me for disliking one ideology more than I dislike another. I mean i dislike them all to varying degrees, it just so happens that Islam is the most disliked. Orthodox judaism is a close second (excluding the lesser known religions, I'm sure there are plenty that are worse than the abrahamic ones).
I wouldn't say that translates to a dislike for the average muslim, christian, jew, though…
I will say it might translate to greater dislike for extremist muslims than extremist christians... but then again that's only because Islam is more coherent. It's fairly evident what extremist Islamists believe by just reading the Quran with none of the context and taking any statement it makes extremely literally. Christianity on the other hand is so incoherent that an extremist can end up as a franciscan priest, a crusader, or the inquisition, all while having a fairly good claim to being 'in the right' about their ideology based on the bible... because the bible is a mishmash of poorly devised incoherent texts, which constantly retcon one another the further you read... and it drives me nuts that people can actually believe in it.
Go to montreal or quebec and speak english and you'll recieve as good service as in any of those other countries you went to.
I’ve been. Several times.
What I’m trying to say is that other countries haven’t been encouraged by their politicians on what an acceptable way to greet visitors are. The rest of the world just lets business owners be courteous in whichever way they please.
When I was in Belgium the train station service agent finished speaking Dutch with the person ahead of me, then saw that I was probably not from Belgium and said “Hello”. It didn’t diminish my admiration for their culture one bit. It actually stood out to me as one of the friendliest interactions I had during our Europe stops.
But if you don’t get it by now I’ll probably just give this a rest.
The only reason I talk about what I think about religion is because you are trying to equate two totally different issues.
They’re not equal issues, but they’re not unrelated. But yeah, whatever floats your boat I guess.
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I’ve been. Several times.
What I’m trying to say is that other countries haven’t been encouraged by their politicians on what an acceptable way to greet visitors are. The rest of the world just lets business owners be courteous in whichever way they please.When I was in Belgium the train station service agent finished speaking Dutch with the person ahead of me, then saw that I was probably not from Belgium and said “Hello”. It didn’t diminish my admiration for their culture one bit. It actually stood out to me as one of the friendliest interactions I had during our Europe stops.
But if you don’t get it by now I’ll probably just give this a rest.
They’re not equal issues, but they’re not unrelated. But yeah, whatever floats your boat I guess.
One issue is GLOBAL, islamophobia, and frankly, Quebec is, perhaps, less islamophobic than other places (for exemple the USA) but there is a minority of crazy fuckers everywhere it seems and sometime the majority follows the argument if it's made in a way that touches local sensibilities ( for exemple, the whole face-ban thing which was made to be into a women's rights thing) doesn't mean quebequers hate muslim more then ontarians, americans, frenchs, autrians… I AGREE that muslim suffer from more discrimination then other groups, but it's NOT a Quebec thing (the face-ban thing wasn't even about face bans at first, it was about ALL religious signs but that is just a symptom).
I repeat, islamophobia is a global issue face covering ban is a local symptom as is minaret ban in Swiss alps or similar face covering bans in france or the muslim travel ban in USA.
The other issue language, is a LOCAL Canada/Quebec phenomenon. Just because a part of the WORLD is hostile to muslims doesn't justifies your snide attacks about french canadians basicly asking for a bit of respect from businesses (exagerated or not).
One issue is GLOBAL, islamophobia, and frankly, Quebec is, perhaps, less islamophobic than other places (for exemple the USA) but there is a minority of crazy fuckers everywhere it seems and sometime the majority follows the argument if it's made in a way that touches local sensibilities ( for exemple, the whole face-ban thing which was made to be into a women's rights thing) doesn't mean quebequers hate muslim more then ontarians, americans, frenchs, autrians… I AGREE that muslim suffer from more discrimination then other groups, but it's NOT a Quebec thing (the face-ban thing wasn't even about face bans at first, it was about ALL religious signs but that is just a symptom).
I repeat, islamophobia is a global issue face covering ban is a local symptom as is minaret ban in Swiss alps or similar face covering bans in france or the muslim travel ban in USA.
The other issue language, is a LOCAL Canada/Quebec phenomenon. Just because a part of the WORLD is hostile to muslims doesn't justifies your snide attacks about french canadians basicly asking for a bit of respect from businesses (exagerated or not).
I didn't bring up islamophobia. You did.
I brought up the face-cover ban in relation to Quebec's efforts to preserve their culture.
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The other issue language, is a LOCAL Canada/Quebec phenomenon. Just because a part of the WORLD is hostile to muslims doesn't justifies your snide attacks about french canadians basicly asking for a bit of respect from businesses (exagerated or not).
This feels like a somewhat dishonest portrayal of the discussion -_-
I didn't bring up islamophobia. You did.
I brought up the face-cover ban in relation to Quebec's efforts to preserve their culture.
It's because I do agree with you that a big part of the argument behind it ARE islamophobic, whatever supporters say.
And while I don't like religion as a matter of principle. I also believe that people are free to live their lives as they want as long as the don't impede on other's freedom to also do so.
The problem is that sometimes it's not so simple. For exemple, should the rights of russians in crimea supersede the rights of Tatars simply because there are more of them? Should the the russian minority in Estonia be protected despite the fact that it's a result of the evils of USSR. Should the Canadian gov be allowed to change ancient treaties with indigenous people because they are now a minority.
While Quebec's french canadians are not oppressed any more, there is still a huge pressure from living in English speaking Canada/North America. Toeing the line is not as easy as it may sound from the outside.
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This feels like a somewhat dishonest portrayal of the discussion -_-
The motion basicly said please can you say "bonjour" instead of "bonjour/hi".
It hard to do less intrusive…
