Vote third party and be shouted at by whichever party lost that time for ruining their chance
American Politics thread: No Nazis Allowed
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Also the Third Parties in America consist of the Useless Hippies and Republicans Who Like Weed.
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I don't feel like contributing too much since my political views are probably pretty divisive lol, but howdy folks. Glad to see you all hate Trump & Nazis - that should be a minimum lol. Fascists have no place.
Also yeah, the place of third parties in this country is abysmal - the two part monopoly makes a sham of our pretensions to democracy, and pretty well ensures the hegemony of the elite. The whole equation of politics in the US has been against third parties for a long time, and honestly if this past election wasn't enough to net the third parties more than 3-4% total (with the two most despised candidates in history, and the most interest in third parties in recent elections with millions of ppl interested in the Greens or Libertarians) then it becomes pretty clear how impossible it is for them to effect real change. And of course, reform isn't coming through these two decrepit old parties - save the mild but good concerns of Bernie. (still luv that boy) So yeah, it sucks. :P
(See, already I'm being divisive, and I haven't even talked about my politics really yet lol)
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Senator Jeff Flake of Arizona is retiring after some half-assed opposition to Trump. Could be a Democratic pick-up in 2018.
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Lots of people get driven by the message of democracy is winners vs losers that simply make them not want to vote, there's so many people here coming out with stuff like; 'polls say X candidate is gonna win, but I don't want to vote the losing candidate so I just won't vote', I'm pretty sure that's one more factor that made Trump's presidency happen, specially when he's the kind of douche that perpetuates such message mocking at the losing side.
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GOP senator brings popcorn to lunch with Trump and Corker
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/24/politics/tillis-popcorn-trump-corker/index.html
Sen. Thom Tillis went to a lunch with Republican lawmakers carrying a bag of popcorn, ready for President Donald Trump's visit to Capitol Hill after he feuded with Sen. Bob Corker Tuesday morning.
A reporter asked the North Carolina Republican if the popcorn was for the fight between the two, which escalated after Trump accused Corker on Twitter of fighting his plans for tax reform. The Tennessee Republican later took to Twitter to call Trump an "utterly untruthful president" and slammed him in an*explosive interview with CNN's Manu Raju.
Tillis affirmed that the popcorn was in preparation for the lunch that will include both Trump and Corker, and tweeted a picture of himself at a popcorn machine with the caption, "Ready for lunch with POTUS and @SenateGOP."
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Senator Jeff Flake of Arizona is retiring after some half-assed opposition to Trump. Could be a Democratic pick-up in 2018.
Wow, between this and Kid Rock not actually running for Senate, we lost two brilliant Senators. :ninja:
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"I won't be complicit"
(He will continue to be complicit)
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Complicit John McCain, Jeff Flake and Bob Corker can give the Democrats a majority to, for example, force Trump to release his tax returns. Instead they whine for political brownie points.
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The thing with America is that it doesn't have a good democracy system. yet it wants to spread it over the world which doesn't make a good image for the people in those countries
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The thing with America is that it doesn't have a good democracy system. yet it wants to spread it over the world which doesn't make a good image for the people in those countries
I don't think we've imposed our form of democracy anywhere recently.
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@Monkey:
I don't think we've imposed our form of democracy anywhere recently.
that is not what I mean what I mean is that some people are gonna take advantage and say "America doesn't want to give us democracy they dont have democracy themselves " (this is legit what I have heard people say)
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The two parties we have are known for their positions on certain issues like "Republicans are Pro-Gun, while Democrats
are open to putting reasonable restrictions on Gun ownershipWant to take away everyone's guns.", "Democrats are Pro-LGBT while Republicans are Anti-LGBT" etc.But Rin democrats can't shouldn't be about identity politics because no one cares about gays and transsexuals being flagrantly discriminated against and even in spite of the fact that Republicans pushing laws and doubling down on offensive rhetoric towards these groups in the first place is creating a self fulfilling prophecy.
Even if voters were dumb and decided "Hmm, can't get Bernie? Well I should vote not for Hillary who agrees on 90% of things with Bernie
This is an interesting point though as I can't count on both hands the number of people I've seen casually ask what did Hillary and or the democrats stand for even in spite of the fact their stances on certain things pretty much lined up with Bernie and vice-versa. But I guess too many of them were still focused on those DNC email hacks or Bernie cleanly losing in Nevada to care.
Complicit John McCain, Jeff Flake and Bob Corker can give the Democrats a majority to, for example, force Trump to release his tax returns. Instead they whine for political brownie points.
Last 4 hours on Twitter
Me: Trump looks ironic being a guy who constantly calls for transparency but still hasn't released his tax info.
Trump fanboys: LOL he doesn't have to reveal his tax info cause there's no law saying he has too.
Me: If he did it would reveal his actual wealth, his business ties, whether or not he has ties to shady groups etc.
Trump Fanboys: show me where there's a law saying he has to reveal his tax info.
Trump fanboys: [deflection based rants replete with stock phrases and the occasional meme finishing off with a block from them]
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Some guy threw Russian flags at Trump, and was yelling "Trump is Treason" at him.
I think this is awesome! Plus, the guy who threw the flags should not face charges, it's not like he hit Trump, or anything like that. If you did that to someone that would be considered "normal", you would not get any charges, whatsoever. So, it should the same case as it is here, honestly.
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"I won't be complicit"
(He will continue to be complicit)
Donald Trump brings absolute shame to America and the American people and I will not stand idly by while he makes a mockery of my country…but, yes, of course I'll vote yes on whatever crazy bullshit he proposes. Do I look like an idiot?
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that is not what I mean what I mean is that some people are gonna take advantage and say "America doesn't want to give us democracy they dont have democracy themselves " (this is legit what I have heard people say)
Two party dominance really isn't as anti-democratic as people are making it out to be. It's not built in the system to begin with, and is more a symptom of a tribalistic team sports society than anything else.
The electoral college on the other hand…
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Some guy threw Russian flags at Trump, and was yelling "Trump is Treason" at him.
I think this is awesome! Plus, the guy who threw the flags should not face charges, it's not like he hit Trump, or anything like that. If you did that to someone that would be considered "normal", you would not get any charges, whatsoever. So, it should the same case as it is here, honestly.
I respect this guy for taking his swipe at Trump, but I can't help but imagine that he either got arrested or dragged into a back room and beaten. I hope for the best.
This might be wishful thinking, but could this finally get Senators to start paying attention to this? I mean, before some of our states start sinking into the sea? :getlost:
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Tom Perez is Good, actually (and yes, the media is clutching their pearls over him not supporting Flake).
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This might be wishful thinking, but could this finally get Senators to start paying attention to this? I mean, before some of our states start sinking into the sea? :getlost:
There's no way people around here aren't noticing this disgusting warm fart bubble of an October anyway… you have no idea how pissed off I am.
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@Monkey:
There's no way people around here aren't noticing this disgusting warm fart bubble of an October anyway… you have no idea how pissed off I am.
Is it that bad!?
Well beyond the obvious negative consequences of more powerful hurricanes and floods and what not.
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D.C.'s newest darling maverick Jeffy Flake just voted against aid for Puerto Rico. Along with 16 other Republicans (which includes the OTHER darling maverick Bob Corker).
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D.C.'s newest darling maverick Jeffy Flake just voted against aid for Puerto Rico. Along with 16 other Republicans (which includes the OTHER darling maverick Bob Corker).
The bill was for aid for all the disasters that happened recently. Three hurricanes, wildfires in California etc. And the folks that voted against mainly did it because it props up the National Flood Insurance Program with no riders to make said program more sustainable. Most of them wanted some assurances about how the hole in the budget would be filled.
Take a look at this when you get some time: http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2017/09/29/554603161/episode-797-flood-money
But yeah, let's blame it on old, rich white guys hating their destitute Hispanic brethren. Let's roll with that.
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The bill was for aid for all the disasters that happened recently. Three hurricanes, wildfires in California etc. And the folks that voted against mainly did it because it props up the National Flood Insurance Program with no riders to make said program more sustainable. Most of them wanted some assurances about how the hole in the budget would be filled.
Take a look at this when you get some time: http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2017/09/29/554603161/episode-797-flood-money
But yeah, let's blame it on old, rich white guys hating their destitute Hispanic brethren. Let's roll with that.
“Muh deficit” is always a great reason to leave people to die.
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Funny how when it involves California and Puerto Rico it becomes a financial problem, but when it was just Texas and Florida, all the Republicans were cool with fastracking relief funds.
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Flaky Jeff has a history of voting against disaster relief: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/30/jeff-flake-disaster-relief_n_2043979.html
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“Muh deficit” is always a great reason to leave people to die.
Also, Republicans do not and never have actually given a single fuck about the deficit. They only ever bring it up as a sword of Damocles whenever the Democrats want to spend money on something that isn't the military.
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I'm amazed that cooldud ended up nonplussed by the harsh Trump light shone on the Republicans, and is still talking like the GOP is what it says it is on paper.
Like the whole saga with you has been "Oh wow you guys sure exaggerate how bad the Republicans are, let me, the wise unbiased outsider, cut through your mind fog.".
Then Trump happened.
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(which includes the OTHER darling maverick Bob Corker).
Corker is a tool but his replacement is almost certainly going to be infinitely worse; Blackburn would instantly become the dumbest Senator and Fincher is basically Diet Trump.
About the only scenarios that aren't worse are Bredesen running and winning, in which case, you'll get a Blue Dog type or if Haslam changes his mind, which would be a lateral move at best.
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peers over thick smart guy reading glasses
"Republicans? Racist, petty, un-frugal? Oh now really."
is crushed by a huge 2017 calendar crashing through the ceiling
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Cooldud is still waiting for The Libertarian Moment.
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Blackburn would instantly become the dumbest Senator
I never cease to be amazed–and in different times, amused--at how dumb ole Chuck Grassley is, though.
Is fun working in Tennessee in a pretty blue-collar profession and seeing the degree of misplaced enthusiasm in our blue-collar types for ole Trumper. This Corker thing has them pretty confused, but clear where the sympathies have ended up.
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Corker is a tool but his replacement is almost certainly going to be infinitely worse; Blackburn would instantly become the dumbest Senator and Fincher is basically Diet Trump.
About the only scenarios that aren't worse are Bredesen running and winning, in which case, you'll get a Blue Dog type or if Haslam changes his mind, which would be a lateral move at best.
A Blue Dog still seems preferential to a Republican.
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People in otherwise blue Connecticut New York suburbs can be pretty racist against Puerto Ricans.
But nah, no way would conservatives from red states possibly have lesser regard for them in any fashion. Unthinkable silliness.
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Corker is a tool but his replacement is almost certainly going to be infinitely worse; Blackburn would instantly become the dumbest Senator
I didn't know they could get any dumber than Ted Cruz…..or Fred Thompson.
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I never cease to be amazed–and in different times, amused--at how dumb ole Chuck Grassley is, though.
Look up Blackburn's comments on science sometime. Or government. Or business. Or, well, any area that remotely connects to politics.
Is fun working in Tennessee in a pretty blue-collar profession and seeing the degree of misplaced enthusiasm in our blue-collar types for ole Trumper. This Corker thing has them pretty confused, but clear where the sympathies have ended up.
You'll find that a lot of them just don't think any of his bad policies will affect them personally, just somebody else. A core belief of conservatives is that they are perfectly fine with the idea of people suffering, just so long as it isn't them.
A Blue Dog still seems preferential to a Republican.
That's why I said he wouldn't be worse; Bredesen would occasionally do things that would piss off people in his own party but would still be better than any Republican this state could inflict on the rest of you.
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You'll find that a lot of them just don't think any of his bad policies will affect them personally, just somebody else. A core belief of conservatives is that they are perfectly fine with the idea of people suffering, just so long as it isn't them.
Right. Also a decent chunk of why this seemingly morally repugnant movement has aligned so well with the Christian Right; not much difference between "attack the poor if you're not planning on being poor" with "attack the gays if you're not planning on being gay."
I have been somewhat surprised with how many of them seem to not have any consideration for anything for future generations. Really, feels like we're in a race for all the Baby Boomers to die before they fuck us all over before they die. I don't think the timing is going to work out.
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Consumer Bureau's Arbitration Rule Overturned by Vote in Senate
The GOP for a law repealed today. While I don't feel that strongly about the rule itself, this part of the article annoys me.
Majority Republicans pushed through a reversal of Consumer Financial Protection Bureau limits on mandatory arbitration in a 51-50 vote that overcame resistance from Democrats led by Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts. Vice President Mike Pence was called in to cast the tie-breaking vote. The move using Congress’s power to overturn agency rules follows a similar vote by the House in July.
At this point I'm wondering how many more times this will happen. It's annoying that Mike Pence keeps doing this.
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I have been somewhat surprised with how many of them seem to not have any consideration for anything for future generations.
Children are only relevant to conservatives until they're actually born.
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Consumer Bureau's Arbitration Rule Overturned by Vote in Senate
The GOP for a law repealed today. While I don't feel that strongly about the rule itself, this part of the article annoys me.
At this point I'm wondering how many more times this will happen. It's annoying that Mike Pence keeps doing this.
Jeff Flake and Bob Corker both voted to screw over consumers, but at least they made catty remarks towards Trump this one time.
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"Guys, guys, Clinton personally paid for the Trump dossier! It's all totally fake and proven she just made it up! Stupid ShiLIARy, lock her up!
Breitbart and Fox news are all over this scandal, why is no one else reporting how bad this obviously is for Killary?"
Sigh.
Nevermind that the dossier was originally funded by the republicans, we knew about this as far back as March, and that basically every single thing in the dossier has been verified independently in the months since it was submitted.
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"Guys, guys, Clinton personally paid for the Trump dossier! It's all totally fake and proven she just made it up! Stupid ShiLIARy, lock her up!
Breitbart and Fox news are all over this scandal, why is no one else reporting how bad this obviously is for Killary?"
Sigh.
Nevermind that the dossier was originally funded by the republicans, and that basically every single thing in the dossier has been verified independently in the months since it was submitted.
Maggie Haberman of the NYT outright called the Clinton people liars even though she has never — NEVER — called Trump or anyone in his admin a liar the past 10 months, because by her own admission thag would be bad reporting.
This is also important:
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Maggie Haberman of the NYT outright called the Clinton people liars even though she has never — NEVER — called Trump or anyone in his admin a liar the past 10 months, because by her own admission thag would be bad reporting.
This is also important:
Wow…that is an impressive string of tweets. I'm glad to have seen this, otherwise I would have never known.
Meanwhile, I feel like I've learned a second time that Devin Nunes a fink.
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Latest New Yorker cover.
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CBO Score: The bipartisan health care bill would reduce the deficit by nearly $4 billion over 10 years.
Emphasis mine:
A bipartisan deal to shore up ObamaCare's insurance markets would reduce the deficit by nearly $4 billion by 2027, according to a score released Wednesday by Congress's nonpartisan scorekeeper.
The bill, sponsored by Sens. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) and Patty Murray (D-Wash.), would fund key ObamaCare insurer subsidies and give states more flexibility to change their ObamaCare programs.
The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) said in its report Wednesday that the bill would not substantially impact the number of people with health insurance.
On the flip side, a CBO report released in August concluded that not funding the insurer payments, called cost-sharing reductions, would increase the federal deficit by $194 billion through 2026.
Not funding the payments, which reimburse insurers for giving discounted co-pays and deductibles to low-income patients, could cause premiums for the most popular ObamaCare plans to increase by 25 percent by 2020.
Farther down:
The CBO says the bill would save the government money because financial help people get to pay for ObamaCare plans are designed to increase with premiums.
If the insurer subsidies aren't funded, insurers are likely to increase premiums, meaning the government would end up spending more on financial assistance for low-income people.
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CBO Score: The bipartisan health care bill would reduce the deficit by nearly $4 billion over 10 years.
So, I assume the GOP hate this and won't vote for it.
Also, more evidence in why Trump is a stupid manchild (The Latest: Trump Likens Obama-Era Uranium Deal to Watergate).
President Donald Trump is claiming that an Obama era uranium deal with Russia is a scandal on par with Watergate.
And he's promising that the Republican donor who funded the compiling of a dossier on him will be revealed.
I'm pretty sure that this deal isn't anything like Watergate, and Trump is just using the most infamous incident he can think of to make this thing sound bad.
Also, more threatening of GOP members. In this case it's a donor, the guy who signs the senators checks! I wonder how many people that's piss off if Trump seriously goes after the guy.
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CBO Score: The bipartisan health care bill would reduce the deficit by nearly $4 billion over 10 years.
So, the bipartisan bill that actually helps people and fixes the problems Obamacare does have, saves 4 billion dollars.
Try to kill Obamacare COSTS 194 BILLION, not to mention all the lives it destroys.
And yet the republicans will keep trying to do the later because Obama's name is on it.
I'm pretty sure that this deal isn't anything like Watergate,
The uranium thing is pretty much made up whole cloth, so… yeah. Not like watergate.
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The uranium thing, as I heard it described on the podcast Abe Lincoln's Top Hat, is that there are issues with the deal, but while it may be sketchy it may not be actually illegal
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“Muh deficit” is always a great reason to leave people to die.
Yeah, all underperforming and ill-conceived government programs should keep getting bailouts. No one should talk about them ever. Keep raising my taxes to pay for people to sit tight in disaster zones because the government is paying upwards a million dollars for worthless homes sitting in water.
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Funny how when it involves California and Puerto Rico it becomes a financial problem, but when it was just Texas and Florida, all the Republicans were cool with fastracking relief funds.
Try reading the article, maybe? A major part people have a problem with is continuing to fund the National Flood Insurance Program, which is precisely the government program people in Texas and Florida are using.
But what's the fun in reading when we can bash the conservatives as cartoon villains?
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Yeah, all underperforming and ill-conceived government programs should keep getting bailouts. No one should talk about them ever. Keep raising my taxes to pay for people to sit tight in disaster zones because the government is paying upwards a million dollars for worthless homes sitting in water.
So, wait, your problem with government spending is the disaster relief? I mean, I could relate to shrinking government and cutting needless regulation if you make the argument, but it's weird you're using the one example of something we're using in three areas right now.
Hey, are you in the part of California that's on fire or in an earthquake zone? I'm curious about which type of hubris will hit you later on.
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Yeah, all underperforming and ill-conceived government programs should keep getting bailouts. No one should talk about them ever. Keep raising my taxes to pay for people to sit tight in disaster zones because the government is paying upwards a million dollars for worthless homes sitting in water.
puerto rico is definitely an ill-conceived government program, 3m+ american citizens definitely aren't there