Random News Article Discussion II

Nilitch

Nearly 93 percent of voters approved the referendum for an independent Kurdish state in northern Iraq.

@Monkey:

Yeah that's why it wasn't mysteriously aligned with a rash of racist xenophobic hate crimes or anything.

It's not only a far-righty thing. There are people from every political sides who want to leave the EU.
Corbyn for instance

And we didn't send the Constitution party into congress either. Turns out the mainstream right in the UK and US has become a vehicle for far-right sorts of things.

You're not electing a party but a candidate. Unfortunately, political parties are a religion in the US, people would vote Republican their entire life wether the candidate is a nazi or not.

@RoboBlue:

I realize that Germany is halfway into Eastern Europe, but they still literally elected Hitler. You can't ignore that.

I'm talking about nowadays.
Not pre-WW2 context when Europe was completely nazi (except the UK). So many things are different now and it's absurd to compare both situations. Political correctness wasn't even a thing, which means racism was kind of a big deal everywhere in the world. What else ? Countries had colonies, and uhhh well, many many other things.

And I don't know how Hitler campaigned exactly. Was it like Trump ? I don't know tbh.

Brexit was literally motivated by xenophobia. They wanted to leave the EU to avoid having to take in their fair share of Muslim refugees, that was their core issue.

That was not the only reason.
The Brexit involves way more than the far-right.

Are other European countries who are not in the EU xenophobic ?

Green_vs_Red

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/teaching-assistant-out-of-a-job-after-telling-retard-to-go-back-to-mexico-for-supporting-nfl-anthem-protest/

If there's one thing we should praise Trump and the Republicans ignorance for it's making people forget how to.control their own stupidity.

Monkey King

@Green_vs_Red:

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/teaching-assistant-out-of-a-job-after-telling-retard-to-go-back-to-mexico-for-supporting-nfl-anthem-protest/

If there's one thing we should praise Trump and the Republicans ignorance for it's making people forget how to.control their own stupidity.

I'll never understand blatantly racist people working education.
A job generally near guaranteed to have you working with minors whom you have authority and influence over outside of your own demographic.
Especially at the Elementary level these people belong nowhere near it.

Strooger

These poor Eastern Europeans are a bit different from Mexicans in the sense they are generally legally allowed to work, but they take contracts for a much lower wage than natives. And they really only move around Europe for work and return to Poland once they're done with a given project. And they quite literally work themselves to death. My step dad worked with a dude who was living of these cookies and the free office coffee. He bought him lunch one day to the guy's delight, but he died a few weeks later from malnutrition. I find it funny brits make a big deal of this though, since I distinctly remember British people at every construction I've ever been, you know… refusing to learn the language, thieving, having criminal records ( one chav came to Copenhagen because he had stabbed a guy ), working for less pay and being very aggressive.

Monkey King

@Strooger:

These poor Eastern Europeans are a bit different from Mexicans in the sense they are generally legally allowed to work, but they take contracts for a much lower wage than natives. And they really only move around Europe for work and return to Poland once they're done with a given project. And they quite literally work themselves to death. My step dad worked with a dude who was living of these cookies and the free office coffee. He bought him lunch one day to the guy's delight, but he died a few weeks later from malnutrition. I find it funny brits make a big deal of this though, since I distinctly remember British people at every construction I've ever been, you know… refusing to learn the language, thieving, having criminal records ( one chav came to Copenhagen because he had stabbed a guy ), working for less pay and being very aggressive.

I've seen racist Brits complaining about the stern cold introverted behavior of Eastern European immigrants. To which I can only think of how well they must fit in.

Ubiq

Green_vs_Red

@Ubiq:

Uhhh what's the context?

RoboBlue

@Green_vs_Red:

Uhhh what's the context?

Some guy photoshopped Yoda into a 1944 photo of the UN signing ceremony. It ended up in real Saudi textbooks somehow.

C_uggs

A lot has happened in my country since I last posted, so yeah, here are some current news in Brazil.

A general in the Army, Antonio Hamilton Mourão, secretary of economy and finance of the Force, said in a speech promoted by Freemasonry in Brasilia last Friday (15) that his "comrades of the Army High Command" understood that a "military intervention "
could be adopted if the judiciary "does not solve the political problem" in reference to the corruption of politicians in Brazil.

It felt like a ultimatum, like, "solve this shit or we're going to intervene", I don't see this as the only solution to Brazil, but, if everything fails, is a valid option, although I do hope that this is the last possible option.

Another polemical art exhibition in Brazil, this time in the museum of modern art of São Paulo.

The art exposed was a naked man in a room where people (this includes minors: 4 to 10 years old) could watch and interact with him.

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Conservative people are labeling it as a incentive to pedophilia while libertarians are condemning that this exbition was sponsored with public money.

maxterdexter

It is weird, do not aprove, would not found, would not allow, but you have irrefutable evidence that he was not aroused.

Monkey King

@Ubiq:

https://dawm7kda6y2v0.cloudfront.net/uploads/2017/09/Screen_Shot_2017-09-27_at_1_19_01_PM_1-654x362-66284a6.png

I long ago accepted that reality is stranger than fiction, but only recently have I begun to think reality is also more satirical than satire.

C_uggs

@maxterdexter:

It is weird, do not aprove, would not found, would not allow, but you have irrefutable evidence that he was not aroused.

You are right, still, it's not a place for minors.
Also, what do you think the girls in that image will think about this ? That is ok to be around and to touch a naked unknown man ?

"But, they didn't touched his penis, the art was not sexual."
I believe that this helps pedophiles to approach kids, since the kids will think that is ok to touch a stranger who is naked.

Monkey King

Unless the guy is some sort of nudist fanatic I don't really think well of his thoughts in being fine with the kids being there let alone up close. 0_o
Like I feel like someone normal, even someone into their hippie dippie performance art thing, would suddenly go "Oh shit who the hell brought their kids? What the hell is wrong with you?" and cover his junk if he saw some idiot parents walk in with their nine year old.

RoboBlue

Is the government still paying for it?

The pedo aspect is horrifying enough, but with public money… what the fuck.

Nilitch

wtf, I thought the first pic was taken from a slave-market in ISIS territory

C_uggs

@RoboBlue:

The Public Prosecutor's Office of the State of São Paulo opened this Friday, 29, a civil inquiry to investigate allegations involving the 35th Panorama of Brazilian Art, at the Museum of Modern Art of São Paulo. The controversy was created in social networks because of an artistic performance held at the opening of Panorama on Tuesday, 26, in which a girl, accompanied by her mother, touched the feet of a naked artist who was still and lying on the floor.

According to the accusations, the museum "would be exposing children and adolescents to inappropriate content, since a man would be totally undressed and the public would be invited to touch him, including children."

Protest in front of the museum (09/29)

As for the public money, is mainly because of the "Rouanet Law", which lets cultural events such as musical performances, art exhibitions, movie making, etc to use public money to support their shows,etc.

For me, must of the times, artists who uses this law can use private money or use crowdfunding to support their works.

wolfwood

Coming from a culture where cross-gender skinny dipping and sauna isn't considered weird i can't quite relate to the nude humans in public equals pedophilia angle. Like it's weird, and like Maxter said it's not something i see the cultural value of funding. But it doesn't terrify me either.

Monkey King

@wolfwood:

Coming from a culture where cross-gender skinny dipping and sauna isn't considered weird i can't quite relate to the nude humans in public equals pedophilia angle.

You didn't click the spoilers in Captain Ugly's post did you.
Nudity isn't the scandal.

Nilitch

Sakonosolo

Marilyn Manson had a stage prop fall on him in the middle of a concert and was taken to a hospital.

http://www.tmz.com/2017/09/30/marilyn-manson-crushed-falling-stage-prop-guns-hospital/

Sparsebeard

Spanish police acting like barbarians in order to stop the catalonian referendum…

Truly dumb and sad really, I can't see suppression of the referendum helping in the long run. The kind of thing you expect from dictatorships...

maxterdexter

This is how you prove your point? By police crackdown? The goverment is deffending the police actions as "just", even if the referendum is illegal, you don't bring anti riot equipment to a queue of people in closed spaces.

Sparsebeard

@maxterdexter:

This is how you prove your point? By police crackdown? The goverment is deffending the police actions as "just", even if the referendum is illegal, you don't bring anti riot equipment to a queue of people in closed spaces.

I wouldn't be surprised if this kind of shit tips support for independence above 50%…

People tend to react negatively to being coerced.

King Cannon

Way to go Spanish government. Surely, this won't backfire at all.

AfroSamurai

My Spanish friend is having a bit of a meltdown over the whole fiasco. Can't blame him really, this is horrific. I thought this kind of police brutality was reserved to the states…

Zar

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Monkey King

Unfathomably stupid move like everyone is saying. Of all the options of dealing with an illegal vote, literally assaulting the voters at the voting locations is like the worst possible one outside of deadly violence on down.

Nilitch

How are they supposed to split the national debt if Catalonia secedes ?

Monkey King

Madrid: Hey guys know what will turn the nation and world onto our case here? Make them really understand how unreasonable Catalonia is being? Photos of old ladies bleeding from their heads.

Lucky Dragon

The Nordic Resistance Movement held a rally yesterday in Gothenburg Sweden. Lots of people were arrested once a riot broke out. The movement describes itself as a "national socialist organization" on their website according to this article. Their goal is to create a unified Nordic nation apparently.

BWYYWLTGHR

@Lucky:

The Nordic Resistance Movement held a rally yesterday in Gothenburg Sweden. Lots of people were arrested once a riot broke out. The movement describes itself as a "national socialist organization" on their website according to this article. Their goal is to create a unified Nordic nation apparently.

Didn't see any of the rally or counter-protesting, but the whole thing seemed like a pretty calm affair. Like, I've only heard about two people getting injured. Only thing I noticed was some trams getting cancelled and a helicopter or two buzzing about.

wolfwood

@BWYYWLTGHR:

Didn't see any of the rally or counter-protesting, but the whole thing seemed like a pretty calm affair. Like, I've only heard about two people getting injured. Only thing I noticed was some trams getting cancelled and a helicopter or two buzzing about.

Certainly turned out alot calmer than it would've been had the nazi march and the anti-facists gotten a chance to really clash. Seemed like some pretty solid policing who funneled them away from each other and made the whole march fizzle out. Read that alot of the nazi dudes were quite dissapointed by how aimless and lackluster it all turned out for them.

Zar

Read somewhere that the police moved the march so it didn't interfere with the Jewish community celebrating Yom Kippur. Nice to know they were alert and kept things under control.

wolfwood

@Zar:

Read somewhere that the police moved the march so it didn't interfere with the Jewish community celebrating Yom Kippur. Nice to know they were alert and kept things under control.

Those people don't get paid nearly enough for the shit they do. But i imagine that making the nordic resistance "crusaders" feel impotent by robbing them of the opportunity to go into battle and just leave them aimlessly kicking rocks and muttering is it's own sort of reward

maxterdexter

I do wonder, What the hell is madrid thinking?

Monkey King

I'm starting to think people are going to die before this is all over.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41463719

AfroSamurai

@Monkey:

I'm starting to think people are going to die before this is all over.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41463719

Seriously though, Madrid displays an awful lack of empathy in its handling of the situation, and then the Catalan government comes along and demonstrates itself to be equally incompetent.

SpaceCowboy

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/01/europe/catalonia-spain-independence-referendum-result/index.html?adkey=bn

90%
Even with all the shitstorm surronding the event, and the fact that a lot of no voters probably wanted nothing to do with the situation, it's still an impressive and expressive number.

Sakonosolo

http://www.politico.eu/article/russia-catalonia-referendum-fake-news-misinformation/

Uh oh :X

AfroSamurai

@SpaceCowboy:

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/01/europe/catalonia-spain-independence-referendum-result/index.html?adkey=bn

90%
Even with all the shitstorm surronding the event, and the fact that a lot of no voters probably wanted nothing to do with the situation, it's still an impressive and expressive number.

Wouldn't trust these numbers one bit. Just saw a picture of someone voting 4 times… This wasn't official, the no people just didn't show up due to violence, of course its totally skewed.

Jabberwok

I'd agree that the actual results are pretty invalid and likely not representative of the actual total opinion of Catalan, but it should be enough to justify an official vote on the possibility of secession/independence. It seems like at least 40% of the region wants to leave.

akagami7

@SpaceCowboy:

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/01/europe/catalonia-spain-independence-referendum-result/index.html?adkey=bn

90%
Even with all the shitstorm surronding the event, and the fact that a lot of no voters probably wanted nothing to do with the situation, it's still an impressive and expressive number.

Only 2'2 million people voted out of 5'3 million. The catalonian government argues that around 700 thousand people couldn't vote because of schools holding ballot boxes being closed or raided by the police.

Anyways, around 1 hour before the referendum it was announced that every registered voter could vote at any school in Catalonia because of many of them being closed by the police. That resulted in those pictures of people voting several times Afrosamurai is talking about. It also resulted in people voting at the street, carrying the ballot boxes inside trash bags and already filled with ballots to ease transportation.

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@Jabberwok:

I'd agree that the actual results are pretty invalid and likely not representative of the actual total opinion of Catalan, but it should be enough to justify an official vote on the possibility of secession/independence. It seems like at least 40% of the region wants to leave.

yes, it must be at least around 40% as the previous 2014 referendum results show, that one was illegal too but way less messy than this one
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_self-determination_referendum,_2014

Nilitch

There is nothing new
We already knew it was around 40%

Green_vs_Red

Another mass shooting this time in Las Vegas

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/at-least-20-killed-at-shooting-rampage-at-las-vegas-concert/

Shooter identified and dead

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/las-vegas-gunman-killed-but-companion-remains-at-large-as-person-of-interest/

maxterdexter

The argument of "if the goers were armed they could have defended themselves" is moot if the attacker isn't in your sight range .

Green_vs_Red

@maxterdexter:

The argument of "if the goers were armed they could have defended themselves" is moot if the attacker isn't in your sight range .

Eh won't stop the useful idiots from throwing out the usual rhetoric. I even expect the infowars crowd to start with the false flag bullshit.

Outerspec

This attack is being called the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history.

And that's saying something. That's saying a lot in terms of how big this is.

My condolences to the victims and their families of this completely senseless, pointless, and evil act of violence. There are no adequate words to describe how utterly shitty and asinine these terroristic acts are.

And all for what?

RoboBlue

Current estimates are 50+ dead 400+ injured.

They're saying on the radio that this was essentially the best case scenario. The guy had over ten rifles and who knows how much ammo, but the police were able to find him quickly when his gunfire set off the smoke alarm. They blew down the door with an explosive device and the killer shot himself to avoid capture.

He could have killed hundreds.

Zar

I'm wondering why.

With most terrorist attempts it feels like you get some idea of the motive early on, terrible as it is. Here I just can't understand what motive could be behind it. It makes no sense.

My wishes go to the victims and their relatives.

Pachylad