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Uhmm, any particular reason cops in America are never capable of shooting non-lethal??
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You're trained to shoot for center mass since aiming for the arms or legs has a higher chance of missing. Try to shoot someone who's armed in the leg/arm and miss and you die yourself.
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Uhmm, any particular reason cops in America are never capable of shooting non-lethal??
Tasers kill people on a regular basis. There are rubber bullets and tear gas, but those are mainly used to suppress riots.
It's sad that the person died, but that's likely to happen when someone arms themselves and tries to commit suicide by cop.
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This year's Christmas might be a little different on US.
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You're trained to shoot for center mass since aiming for the arms or legs has a higher chance of missing. Try to shoot someone who's armed in the leg/arm and miss and you die yourself.
The guy was carrying a knife and moving slowly, if they weren't able to shoot him in the leg like cops do everywhere else in the world, then they shouldn't be cops.
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The 911 call (made by the guy himself) said the person also had a gun. Cops aren't trained to shoot people in the arms and legs and for good reason. If you miss you could provoke the suspect and cause them to get more violent, you could cause property damage or collateral damage, and if you hit them there's no guarantee it will end the situation and you risk, again, making the suspect more violent. The best way to deescalate the situation is to get the suspect to cooperate (which wasn't happening here after several minutes) or to drop them as quickly as possible, which is what they did. I definitely don't want cops going around wildly aiming for people's hands and shit and letting the situation potentially get out of control.
Edit: And using a taser would probably have worked too but unfortunately they apparently don't carry them. Maybe this incident will make them reconsider that.
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[Uhmm, any particular reason cops in America are never capable of shooting non-lethal??
Black people just attract bullets you see. They go without even shooting at white suspects all the time.
In this case the suspect was white so I'm not sure why they were killed.](Uhmm, any particular reason cops in America are never capable of shooting non-lethal??
Black people just attract bullets you see. They go without even shooting at white suspects all the time.
In this case the suspect was white so I'm not sure why they were killed.)
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Probably because they weren't cis.
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Judging by how close he approached to one of the cops, it really makes me wonder how hard could've been to shot him in the leg, but since I'm not an expert in guns, I don't really know
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Shooting in the leg wouldn't have been much better given how you can bleed to death if an artery gets severed especially at that close of range.
All the same no easy win anyway you slice it.
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The 911 call (made by the guy himself) said the person also had a gun. Cops aren't trained to shoot people in the arms and legs and for good reason. If you miss you could provoke the suspect and cause them to get more violent, you could cause property damage or collateral damage, and if you hit them there's no guarantee it will end the situation and you risk, again, making the suspect more violent. The best way to deescalate the situation is to get the suspect to cooperate (which wasn't happening here after several minutes) or to drop them as quickly as possible, which is what they did. I definitely don't want cops going around wildly aiming for people's hands and shit and letting the situation potentially get out of control.
Edit: And using a taser would probably have worked too but unfortunately they apparently don't carry them. Maybe this incident will make them reconsider that.
Yeah but every other cops in the world are trained to shoot in the leg somehow…
And watch the video. The cops are like 10feet close to the guy at most. They could see he only had a knife.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tlatelolco_massacre
I learned something awful today. Over 300 people were killed by state forces like a month before a summer Olympics, and the international community did nothing.
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Yeah but every other cops in the world are trained to shoot in the leg somehow…
And watch the video. The cops are like 10feet close to the guy at most. They could see he only had a knife.
Also, pepper spray is a solution tooYou have to get close to someone to pepper spray them. The ideal solution in this case was tear gas… if he didn't have a gun and wasn't possibly motivated to shoot in random directions.
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Yeah but every other cops in the world are trained to shoot in the leg somehow…
And watch the video. The cops are like 10feet close to the guy at most. They could see he only had a knife.
Also, pepper spray is a solution tooSo you're telling me that cops outside America risk their own safety, the safety of any potential bystanders, and damage to public property in order to have slightly less of a chance of killing someone that to their knowledge is a threat and isn't cooperating? Do they not use hollow points too because the safety of the threat comes first?
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So you're telling me that cops outside America risk their own safety, the safety of any potential bystanders, and damage to public property in order to have slightly less of a chance of killing someone that to their knowledge is a threat and isn't cooperating? Do they not use hollow points too because the safety of the threat comes first?
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tlatelolco_massacre
I learned something awful today. Over 300 people were killed by state forces like a month before a summer Olympics, and the international community did nothing.
Very infamous incident, one way or another, there had to be blood here due to the cold war. Impressibly enough the president responsible for such a crime has a several statues out there, tho most look like this
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So you're telling me that cops outside America risk their own safety, the safety of any potential bystanders, and damage to public property in order to have slightly less of a chance of killing someone that to their knowledge is a threat and isn't cooperating? Do they not use hollow points too because the safety of the threat comes first?
No, to arrest him alive, pretty rare concept in the US apprently.
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So you're telling me that cops outside America risk their own safety, the safety of any potential bystanders, and damage to public property in order to have slightly less of a chance of killing someone that to their knowledge is a threat and isn't cooperating? Do they not use hollow points too because the safety of the threat comes first?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_firearm_use_by_country
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This is a peripheral issue, but…
But for the most part, we'd quite like everyone to have a taser.
Cops really need to start accepting that tasers are still lethal weapons. The rest of the article was pretty inspiring.
Still… could someone who intentionally lured a bunch of cops to his location with the intention of attacking them really be persuaded otherwise?
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How likely is Basque country and Galicia to up and over and get on the Catalunya's train of tought? Is spain going to allow itself to be split, or overuse it's force to keep itself together and alienate the EU and it's other components?
I'm too covered in cynism to do a proper analysis.
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How likely is Basque country and Galicia to up and over and get on the Catalunya's train of tought? Is spain going to allow itself to be split, or overuse it's force to keep itself together and alienate the EU and it's other components?
I'm too covered in cynism to do a proper analysis.
Basque maybe, Galicia I don't think so?
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The Basque country's been wanting (at least to some extent) independence for a pretty long time. I saw posters talking about independence up when I went there almost 8 years ago. I doubt Spain will every allow it to happen though. Just like the US won't allow secession regardless of how much talk there is about it. And I think I saw that it's not possible under their current constitution. Unless it resorts to violence, which is always possible, but I feel like a violent uprising in the Basque country would be put down pretty quickly.
Not to mention that the Basque country extends into France too so you'd need the cooperation of both countries unless only one part of it is successful.
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The Basque country's been wanting (at least to some extent) independence for a pretty long time. I saw posters talking about independence up when I went there almost 8 years ago. I doubt Spain will every allow it to happen though. Just like the US won't allow secession regardless of how much talk there is about it. And I think I saw that it's not possible under their current constitution. Unless it resorts to violence, which is always possible, but I feel like a violent uprising in the Basque country would be put down pretty quickly.
Not to mention that the Basque country extends into France too so you'd need the cooperation of both countries unless only one part of it is successful.
1. He's speaking in the context of Catalonia's current campaign of going all the way. How that and its results might influence those pre-existing nationalisms and separatist interests.
2. "Basque Country" can either mean all the lands populated by Basques, or it is referring (as Maxter is) to the specific administrative unit in Spain. Just like how the areas that speak Catalan are larger than the Catalonia admin unit, but it is specifically the unit that is talking about becoming independent.–- Update From New Post Merge ---
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Xi should be "Pooh Man".
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Aah man, my pres is never included in these kind of memes, but okay, I once heard that the less you hear about a politician, the more he's doing his job, whoever said it, was right.
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Not to mention that the Basque country extends into France too so you'd need the cooperation of both countries unless only one part of it is successful.
Both issues actually extend into France
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What is a Erdo man ?
And Xi Jinping's pseudo should be something related to the high number of journalists and civilians he's giving death penalty (highest in the world).Also, I'm reading in today's paper that Macron is known to only get 4 to 5 hours of sleep, which could explain why he spends so much on make-up
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How likely is Basque country and Galicia to up and over and get on the Catalunya's train of tought? Is spain going to allow itself to be split, or overuse it's force to keep itself together and alienate the EU and it's other components?
I'm too covered in cynism to do a proper analysis.
Right now, the Basque Country is not in a position of really, really wanting the independence. Its main political party, the basque nationalists PNV, are at the moment siding with the spanish government in exchange for some pretty "juicy" benefits. In fact, if it weren't for the PNV, Spain's president Mariano Rajoy would've been UNABLE to pass the last state budgets.
It's not weird; not many years go, Catalonia's main nationalist party, Convergencia, did the exact same thing, even when Aznar was the president (in fact, infamously WHEN Aznar was the president, as that man was anathema to anything regarding Spain as a plurinational/federal state, but he needed Pujol's support so. . .).
Bottom line, the Basque Country is in a pretty confortable position right now. In fact, they've been historically beneffited as a "
was supposed to bring Catalonia a bit closer to Euskadi, and that's when everything started: the independence movement started getting more and more addepts to the point where even the conservatives of Convergencia (now PDCAT, the party currently rulling Catalonia), historically notorius for NOT being interested in going all-the-way-independence, are actually going all-the-way independence.And, well, here's where we are! Are you still around here in Barcelona? Scared of the situation? Cause I admit it IS kinda scary right now, but also. . .kinda exciting?
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How likely is Basque country and Galicia to up and over and get on the Catalunya's train of tought? Is spain going to allow itself to be split, or overuse it's force to keep itself together and alienate the EU and it's other components?
I'm too covered in cynism to do a proper analysis.
Even though there are more young people becoming part of independent movements in the big cities (specially those near the west coast), Galicia's population is so old and the rural population is so dispersed than it would take at least one hundred years for an independence referendum to be celebrated in Galicia. I mean, PP always wins the autonomical elections in Galicia for a reason.
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Yah, still here, had to bring my folks over, and they have jobs, I have to live with them, but I get to live with them.
My link with the independentist movement is just tied to my visa, as a spaniard I'd get it on 2 more years, but with the draft that I saw it could go up from 8 years right now to 10 years the moment the new country forms, I wouldn't stand for that and just move to somewhere else.
What I don't get is how catalunya hasn't got enough political or economical power to force Madrid into granting it the same status as Basque country, granted, once you call independence you can't just go and propose yourself "I settle for this" but Madrid should have put that on the table a long time ago.
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Oh, I just grouped Galicia with them because a random wikipedia fact and that they have their own language as well. But your explanation does fit with what I know.
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Another cop killing a civilian and not trying to listen. Fuck tunnel vision. Incompetent dirt bags. People are yelling the guy is deaf. Cop still shoots.
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Seems the cop was deaf too:getlost:
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Another cop killing a civilian and not trying to listen. Fuck tunnel vision. Incompetent dirt bags. People are yelling the guy is deaf. Cop still shoots.
Police ordered Sanchez to drop the weapon and get on the ground, Mathews said. Both officers had weapons drawn — Lindsey had a Taser and Barnes a gun. Sanchez came off the porch and was walking toward Barnes.
Both officers fired their weapons at the same time when Sanchez was about 15 feet away from them; more than one shot was fired, the police captain said.
This is infuriating. If you see a guy with a pipe, and you have the choice between a taser and a gun, why choose both? This is infuriating. I like to rationalize in these cases that police have a scary job, and they want to go home uninjured, but this is inexcusable.
Also, I feel the need to share a story myself, and I have one. It's pretty sad though, yet loosing related to this shooting article. In that, someone got shot tradegically. "Tampa girl, 4, dies of gunshot reaching for candy."
A grandma left a gun in her purse and paid the price. I don't know any old ladies who do this, but I think I'll ask them not to should I meet them. :sad: -
Aah man, my pres is never included in these kind of memes, but okay, I once heard that the less you hear about a politician, the more he's doing his job, whoever said it, was right.
Mine was a bit too, generic. Maybe a "Vampire Man" or "Bribe Man" (since his government paid famous Youtubers of Brazil to speak well about the new education method that his government planned for our schools).
Now, if it was Dilma or Lula, HA ! That would be a endless source of memes.
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But how does the weapon weakness cycle works on them?
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With elections coming up in Germany. Looks like they've caught that pesky far-right nationalist fever that's been going around.
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Well, you know when the u.s. does it, worst case is a civil war, but when Germany does it :S, time to Assemble US/Britain/Russia team.
Now being more serious, how's the system in Germany?, Merkel is been there for soo long, I can't tell who's been there longer between she and Putin.
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Well, you know when the u.s. does it, worst case is a civil war, but when Germany does it :S, time to Assemble US/Britain/Russia team.
Now being more serious, how's the system in Germany?, Merkel is been there for soo long, I can't tell who's been there longer between she and Putin.
As I understand it, the Chancellor of Germany is elected by The Bundestag. They're like the House of Representatives in the U.S. The Bundestag are in turn elected by the public every four years. This article explains it in greater detail.
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Thanks for the article
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So, German APForumers, how accurate is the following video in explaining the German political parties:
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With elections coming up in Germany. Looks like they've caught that pesky far-right nationalist fever that's been going around.
This is not new news, and last I'd heard the far-right party had actually lost support relative to where they had been at in 2016.
Also the biggest lesson we should have from 2016 and it's fallout is to never again do dumb bullshit like think it was and is something special to any country to allow a thriving of far-right nastiness.
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btw, Florian Philippot, number two of the FrontNational, just left the party two days ago which weakens even more the French far-right
But I guess we don't care because the next elections aren't happening before June 2019 (electing the european parlement) but the ones that matter will happen in March 2020. Which means that they have a lot of time to get pumped up -
Merkel is been there for soo long, I can't tell who's been there longer between she and Putin.
Putin's been in power in Russia since the turn of the millennium, Merkel "only" since late 2005.
But she'll likely be in power until 2021 for another four-year term (her fourth), since we have no equivalent of the 22th amendment of the US constitution.
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With elections coming up in Germany. Looks like they've caught that pesky far-right nationalist fever that's been going around.
Looks like people are paying attention to Europe only when they have elections.
Anyway, it's the first time since Hitler that there will be far-righties at the Bundestag.
But I'm not really concerned about the far-righties coming back in Germany though. They need another decade to look frightening. Also, the CDU and the SPD have been working together for the past decades, they will not fall just like that. -
I'm still not sure why we're supposed to be scared in particular of the German far-right.
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@Monkey:
I'm still not sure why we're supposed to be scared in particular of the German far-right.
Isn't it the whole 1 million refugee's in a year backlash that's the played up angle on that.
Like in that people predict, are in fear off or hope for an equally large backlash
