Katakuri or Perospero, I can't decide who's better anymore.
One Piece Chapter 879:One of Big Mom's Three Sweet Commanders, Katakuri.
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Mont-d'Or still has the coolest Devil Fruit in Big Mom's crew.
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@Count:
Mont-d'Or still has the coolest Devil Fruit in Big Mom's crew.
Nah, that's Smoothie. Too bad she never gets to use it.
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Nah, that's Smoothie. Too bad she never gets to use it.
I would rank it higher if she can actually do anything with the juices she extracts besides drinking them.
God, that sounded awkward to type.
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Nah, that's Smoothie. Too bad she never gets to use it.
Don't worry I'm sure she after the just as important Vinsmokes.
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@Count:
I would rank it higher if she can actually do anything with the juices she extracts besides drinking them.
God, that sounded awkward to type.
Off the top of my head, two uses could be extracting the juice as then using it as a facsimile Fishman Karate or to get stronger from said juice.
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I expect Luffy to do at least somewhat well in Gear Fourth, but Katakuri should be able to handle it competently. Doflamingo got brutalized because he thought the form looked silly, Katakuri's Haki should let him know just how powerful it is.
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@Kaido:
I expect Luffy to do at least somewhat well in Gear Fourth, but Katakuri should be able to handle it competently. Doflamingo got brutalized because he thought the form looked silly, Katakuri's Haki should let him know just how powerful it is.
Dofla got outclassed even after he knew how bad ass Gear 4 was. I'll wait to see how Katakuri manages Gear 4. This chapter really didn't say much because Dofla handled Gear 2 and 3 quite well too.
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Dofla got outclassed even after he knew how bad ass Gear 4 was. I'll wait to see how Katakuri manages Gear 4. This chapter really didn't say much because Dofla handled Gear 2 and 3 quite well too.
I know that, but Katakuri should have a better initial reaction to G4 than Doffy or Cracker did.
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Garp, Dragon, Luffy all have some mark on the left side of the face it seems like a trend. Katakuri too….. what if katakuri is Garp's son with big mom? We don't know his father.
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I really do hope G4 works at least a little, it's way too soon for it to already be obsolete considering we just got it. I can understand it not working against BM, but Katakuri shouldn't be able to shrug off a King Kong gun, c'mon now.
At least G2 and G3 had some considerable time to shine before they became "useless", G4 should last a few more arcs before G5 inevitably replaces it :ninja:
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Garp, Dragon, Luffy all have some mark on the left side of the face it seems like a trend. Katakuri too….. what if katakuri is Garp's son with big mom? We don't know his father.
Monkey D. Katakuri does roll off the tongue quite nicely hm….still nope. Plus that mark extends either side of his face lol.
I really do hope G4 works at least a little, it's way too soon for it to already be obsolete considering we just got it. I can understand it not working against BM, but Katakuri shouldn't be able to shrug off a King Kong gun, c'mon now.
At least G2 and G3 had some considerable time to shine before they became "useless", G4 should last a few more arcs before G5 inevitably replaces it :ninja:G4 will wreck him but only while it lasts, unlike with Doffy he can't afford to do Leo Bazooka and then think the job is done, he needs to be ruthless and make the moments count and beat the living daylight out of him even when Katakuri seems like he's out for the count. G4 human fireball that ricochets off the walls randomly at a crazy speed that's what we need to see.
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Id like to see katakuri eat a kong gun directly and be slightly affected by it like how luffy really stung doffy with his red hawk. Luffy cant no-hit katakuri or kata-chan as some on the reddit have started calling him lol
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Nah, that's Smoothie. Too bad she never gets to use it.
She did use it, she made drinks for the guest.
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Dofla got outclassed even after he knew how bad ass Gear 4 was. I'll wait to see how Katakuri manages Gear 4. This chapter really didn't say much because Dofla handled Gear 2 and 3 quite well too.
I think Mingo may have fair a bit better if he took G4 seriously, look at BM, she immediately activate her Haki and changed her stance. Mingo was there laughing thinking it's all a joke.
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Btw, I can't believe BM pirates decided to chase a top rate Fishman over water. It's either they're stupid or getting emotional.
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Btw, I can't believe BM pirates decided to chase a top rate Fishman over water. It's either they're stupid or getting emotional.
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Oh yeah, baby.
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Knowing how much of a powerhouse she is, Big Mom could walk, casually beat and eat those whales.
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I want to see that just because of how hilarious it sounds.
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Not about the sharks really. Jimbe could raise the see water and crash it on them. She's so vulnerable riding on that candy.
All that without considering the other interesting things Nami can do.
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I'm curious to see how well Jimbei can use his powers while helming. If he even can. I doubt that the sea water is going to stop Big Mom when Perospero can summon walls of candy that only have a weakness to heat.
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@Count:
I'm curious to see how well Jimbei can use his powers while helming. If he even can. I doubt that the sea water is going to stop Big Mom when Perospero can summon walls of candy that only have a weakness to heat.
Jimbei will awaken his fishman karate in order to shoot superheated whale sharks out of underwater volcanoes
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I mean we all know Jinbei isn't going to do anything major to Big Mom aside from just delay her, but I also can see the Vinsmokes coming in to do that and then getting trashed.
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@Kaido:
I know that, but Katakuri should have a better initial reaction to G4 than Doffy or Cracker did.
Didnt Katakuri seen clash of Big Mom and Luffys Gear Fourth? He might try to stop Luffy from transforming..
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At least G2 and G3 had some considerable time to shine before they became "useless", G4 should last a few more arcs before G5 inevitably replaces it :ninja:
That almost wasn't the case. Luffy beat Blueno handily with the first use of Gear 2 (though nearly activated Gear 3 to bring him down), only just barely beat Lucci later with both Gear 2 and the debut of Gear 3, and in the following arc he winds up using both of them at the same time to bring down Moriah after a long struggle. It was only thanks to dedicating his time to train those modes that they remained more viable later. If the remainder of One Piece doesn't happen at breakneck speed, I hope we can see Luffy work on honing Gear Fourth and smoothing out its weaknesses.
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I've posted about this on other places, seems people were divided over it, but perhaps we'll get another flashback to the one we had in Dressrosa (chapter 790). The one were Luffy is talking about Kong Gun being ineffective. To me it comes across that Rayleigh taught him a new technique that isn't Gear 4th, which I think is implied when he says Gear 4th is too taxing on Luffy. Some people think this meant helping him develop King Kong Gun. I disagree with that interpretation. Not sure what you guys think.
I also think we're not getting Awakening just yet. Katakuri has made it a point that in all respects, he outclasses Luffy. Luffy hasn't mastered his DF as stated by Doflamingo and demonstrated in this fight, which is important to achieve "awakening". Luffy also didn't know what Awakening was until it took him by surprise in his fight with Doflamingo.
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I've posted about this on other places, seems people were divided over it, but perhaps we'll get another flashback to the one we had in Dressrosa (chapter 790). The one were Luffy is talking about Kong Gun being ineffective. To me it comes across that Rayleigh taught him a new technique that isn't Gear 4th, which I think is implied when he says Gear 4th is too taxing on Luffy. Some people think this meant helping him develop King Kong Gun. I disagree with that interpretation. Not sure what you guys think.
Context context context. Absolutely no sense in having a flashback directly before King Kong Gun that's supposed to be hinting at something else instead. Rayleigh's comment about Gear Fourth being taxing was a warning about the dangers of learning King Kong Gun, hence why there's a "though" at the end of the sentence. If it were something different then "so" would have been the word to use.
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@Kaido:
Context context context. Absolutely no sense in having a flashback directly before King Kong Gun that's supposed to be hinting at something else instead. Rayleigh's comment about Gear Fourth being taxing was a warning about the dangers of learning King Kong Gun, hence why there's a "though" at the end of the sentence. If it were something different then "so" would have been the word to use.
I think the "though" is only in the mangapanda scan. Mangastream is different. Maybe someone with the original japanese version can enlighten us?
The anime (episode 733) seems ambiguous as well. I don't follow the anime normally, so I don't know if they butcher canon scenes or not without Oda's approval, but it sounds like Rayleigh isn't enthused about King Kong Gun.
It's also not the first time Oda has used flashbacks for multiple purposes. Luffy's flashback of drinking sake with Ace during Marineford had 3 cups and that was 30-40 chapters before Sabo first appearance.
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I also think we're not getting Awakening just yet. Katakuri has made it a point that in all respects, he outclasses Luffy. Luffy hasn't mastered his DF as stated by Doflamingo and demonstrated in this fight, which is important to achieve "awakening". Luffy also didn't know what Awakening was until it took him by surprise in his fight with Doflamingo.
Mingo did not say that.
It seems the new trend now is people imagining what Mingo may have said. Christ, Dressrosa was two arcs ago.
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The punches were hitting as if Luffy doesn't know how to use Haki, I assume Katakuri was making those holes there since he knew where the punches will land. Similar to when WB stabbed Kuzan.
What do you think about this tho?
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One Piece Manga Chapter 879 review
In this weeks review we cover;
The strongest sweet commander clashes with Luffy!
Yonkou Big mom walks on water!
Crew in despair!
Jinbei the voice of reason!
Pedro's Will
Sanji and crew on route!
Luffy's new form? Awakening?
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I wanna see Jinbe seriously struggling to get the attention of his fish friends while helming the ship, resulting in him making whale sounds at the top of his lungs to call them.
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@Kaido:
Luffy, Nami, and the homies' bounties still don't total up to Cracker's bounty.
What I am saying is that you cannot act like the boasting of mooks comparing bounties is akin to word of god on the power gulf between two sides.
The bounties are basically an estimate of power made by the Marines, who seem consistently underinformed. They seriously underestimated Luffy at first, leading to numerous rapid bounty increases as they saw the growing list of people he was capable of taking out.
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I really do hope G4 works at least a little, it's way too soon for it to already be obsolete considering we just got it. I can understand it not working against BM, but Katakuri shouldn't be able to shrug off a King Kong gun, c'mon now.
At least G2 and G3 had some considerable time to shine before they became "useless", G4 should last a few more arcs before G5 inevitably replaces it :ninja:
Even if he wins with G4, he'll get captured afterwards.
If he uses it and doesn't win, he loses.
I feel he'll win with some new G4 form or awakening or Conqueror Haki, and then collapse. He will then be captured and, on the way out of mirror world, rescued by Bege.
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You really do want to see Jinbei do a turbocharged Arlong torpedo into that little candy lane.
Oda's dangling the obvious in front of you, but he's probably not going to go that route
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Based on Perospero speech this chapter, do you still think a cesefire will be possible between both parties ?
Also Pudding kind bond with Lola was established again so it gives me doubts on the theory she changed memories during the wedding with the giant
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You really do want to see Jinbei do a turbocharged Arlong torpedo into that little candy lane.
Oda's danglig the obvious in front of you, but he's probably not going to go that route
Yeah i guess he couldn’t use Zeus as it would have made mum to fast but still Mum and Pero looks quite vulnerable with such a vehicle
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Based on Perospero speech this chapter, do you still think a cesefire will be possible between both parties ?
Also Pudding kind bond with Lola was established again so it gives me doubts on the theory she changed memories during the wedding with the giant
I was under the impression that if they don't settle BM down with a glorious cake he would be killed by her for lying.
And just in general BM would be a raving killing machine until she gets that cake. So that's pretty good leverage
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I think Oda is setting Perospero up to get gloriously knocked out.
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I really want BM to fall into the sea and somehow come back out of it without anyone's help. That would cement her as an unstoppable force you simply can't outrun and add a lot of tension to the escape/surivival. Big Mom has been a disappointment offensive-wise, but if Oda manages to create a real sense of desperation steming from inability to escape, then she can still live up to her status. I also hope the cake won't be enough to stop her. Cake + Pudding powers being the only thing able to do that would be perfect and show that SH's alone simply wouldn't be able to survive this.
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I like that Oda made Perospero an actual character, but can anyone explain why he, of all people, is personally guiding Big Mom to a decidely cake-less ship? Apart from "Carrot needs to KO him for reals this time, for Pedros sake" obviously.
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@Daz:
I like that Oda made Perospero an actual character, but can anyone explain why he, of all people, is personally guiding Big Mom to a decidely cake-less ship? Apart from "Carrot needs to KO him for reals this time, for Pedros sake" obviously.
Well the other option would be her stuck on the island killing BM family members.
Channeling her rage toward the SH's seems like the less bad option even if it means a self-sacrifice
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@Daz:
I like that Oda made Perospero an actual character, but can anyone explain why he, of all people, is personally guiding Big Mom to a decidely cake-less ship? Apart from "Carrot needs to KO him for reals this time, for Pedros sake" obviously.
Because if he doesn't help her and give her some means to stay fixated on the crew, who knows who her unstable mind will turn towards.
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What do you think about this tho?
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@Dahaka.:
I really want BM to fall into the sea and somehow come back out of it without anyone's help. That would cement her as an unstoppable force you simply can't outrun and add a lot of tension to the escape/surivival. Big Mom has been a disappointment offensive-wise, but if Oda manages to create a real sense of desperation steming from inability to escape, then she can still live up to her status. I also hope the cake won't be enough to stop her. Cake + Pudding powers being the only thing able to do that would be perfect and show that SH's alone simply wouldn't be able to survive this.
Yeah, I would like it. But my guess is as soon as Pero gets his unavoidable KO, Zeus will all of a sudden appear right under her again.
And Pero will be saved by these miraculous pieces of floating wood?
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@TLC:
Because if he doesn't help her and give her some means to stay fixated on the crew, who knows who her unstable mind will turn towards.
Well the other option would be her stuck on the island killing BM family members.
Channeling her rage toward the SH's seems like the less bad option even if it means a self-sacrifice
I could maybe buy that if Perospero had been established as a self-sacrificing empathetic character, but that isn't the case. It seems like he's entirely motivated by a personal grudge against the crew, regardless of the fear he expressed at getting caught lying by Big Mom. For this character to move between these two points with no justification is rather odd. And if we're supposed to infer that his grudge makes him forget the threat of Big Mom, it makes him look foolish.
Perospero turned out kind of menacing, and the visual of Big Mom candy surfing is cool as hell, it just doesn't make much sense to me.
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@Daz:
I could maybe buy that if Perospero had been established as a self-sacrificing empathetic character, but that isn't the case. It seems like he's entirely motivated by a personal grudge against the crew, regardless of the fear he expressed at getting caught lying by Big Mom. For this character to move between these two points with no justification is rather odd. And if we're supposed to infer that his grudge makes him forget the threat of Big Mom, it makes him look foolish.
Perospero turned out kind of menacing, and the visual of Big Mom candy surfing is cool as hell, it just doesn't make much sense to me.
It is self-preserving as well tho. Because the first one to die if the cake boat gets away is him.
So in one action he can get revenge, for now avoid death by mother and not let the entire family bear the brunt of her violence.
It's not like i think he cares that much about his family that he'd die freely. But with the cards at hand this is the least bad.
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It is self-preserving as well tho. Because the first one to die if the cake boat gets away is him.
So in one action he can get revenge, for now avoid death by mother and not let the entire family bear the brunt of her violence.
It's not like i think he cares that much about his family that he'd die freely. But with the cards at hand this is the least bad.
You say that like Perosperos' the only means of sea-fairing transport in the entirety of Totland, or like Big Moms desire for pursuit would vanish without him.
Plus, Perosperos entire survival currently hinges on Big Mom not turning vindictive once it becomes clear that the ship has no cake; based on the established nature of Big Moms tantrums and her childrens fear of them, personally accompanying her to an absence of food she was promised by you is about the most foolhardy thing you could do. And if he absolutely has accompany her, the least he could is act aware of being in mortal danger. Thats the jarring part: He's instantly moved from being piss-your-pants scared of Big Mom learning the truth, to confidently acting like he can direct her wrath, like some sort of hungry guided missile. -
@Daz:
I like that Oda made Perospero an actual character, but can anyone explain why he, of all people, is personally guiding Big Mom to a decidely cake-less ship? Apart from "Carrot needs to KO him for reals this time, for Pedros sake" obviously.
I'd say that he hopes to lead Big Mom to cacao island where pudding is supposed to bake the famous wedding cake with chiffon. And I have some doubts about Carrot being able to defeat Perospero.
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@Daz:
You say that like Perosperos' the only means of sea-fairing transport in the entirety of Totland, or like Big Moms desire for pursuit would vanish without him.
Plus, Perosperos entire survival currently hinges on Big Mom not turning vindictive once it becomes clear that the ship has no cake; based on the established nature of Big Moms tantrums and her childrens fear of them, personally accompanying her to an absence of food she was promised by you is about the most foolhardy thing you could do. And if he absolutely has accompany her, the least he could is act aware of being in mortal danger. Thats the jarring part: He's instantly moved from being piss-your-pants scared of Big Mom learning the truth, to confidently acting like he can direct her wrath, like some sort of hungry guided missile.Well BM isn't listening to reason, you can't tell her to hang on a moment while they get something or someone to help. The way i see i it's either play for time and guide the ticking timebomb along toward her goal or die right then and there. And while you're at it you can always horribly murder the people who mutilated you.
Best case scenario their playing for time scheme works and they get BM her cake in time to save his hide. Worst case scenario he gets revenge and dies a little later than what would've been the case had he simply let them get away.
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@Monkey:
I'd say that he hopes to lead Big Mom to cacao island where pudding is supposed to bake the famous wedding cake with chiffon. And I have some doubts about Carrot being able to defeat Perospero.
But does Pero actually know about them wanting to bake a new cake?
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But does Pero actually know about them wanting to bake a new cake?
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