Chapter 843: Vinsmoke Sanji
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You go Luffy, murder those human-minded trees! Piss off humanitarians and environmentalists at the same time ;)
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Wow, that might've conjured an emotional response from me if it wasn't the 3rd time a major nakama did this exact thing to the crew
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Holy Shit!
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Good chapter, but still nothing of Jimbei. I'll stick to the theory that Sanji will fight Luffy to prove himself and gain trust with his family (while protecting Zeff). Luffy is kinda of dense but Nami is there, she can figure it out. Also, team Zoro is already in Wano?? Didn't see that coming, I don't remember they saying that earlier.
One week of hype to Luffy vs Sanji, I can handle it :sad:
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Normally I hate recap chapters, but as awkward as the exposition was in that first half, that was a nice refresher.
Sanji irrationally trying to protect Zeff. Given his actions towards women I'm going to go with Zeff clouds Sanji's rationality.
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Pretty cool chapter, some nice emotional struggling from Sanji and what not.
I was so sure that Bobbin was one of Big Mom's commanders since he was a designated island destroyer and so chill around her, but ah well.
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The main thing of interest I got out of interest was some more of Big Moms power, controlling weather. So is she like Black Beard and has the ability to have two or more powers, or is she going to have a complicated fruit that allows her to control weather and take the life span of people as well? Either way, it makes her even more threatening.
Overall I really liked this chapter, and even if this has been done before I like it and you can really tell how Sanji doesn't want this to happen. I can see Sanji trying to somehow hint to Luffy what is going on during the fight so they know that they need to do something else if they want Sanji to come back.
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while when i was reading this sanji's reation made sense..the more i think about it, the more it doesn't
I mean,ok, you can consider the marriage unavoidable,but there's no reason to burn bridges with luffy.
after the marriage is done,sanji will be under big mom, but still relatively free to do stuff on his own, he will be a member of the family,not a prisoner
of course luffy wouldn't be happy of being considered under big mom,but at the same time he would accept that if it's what it is needed to stay with sanji..he could have just calmily explained the situation to luffy and nami and they could have figured out a way..in fact that was luffy's plan to begin with…he is at whole cake island to talk with sanji,not to start a war with mama and the vinsmokes.
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So far no clever plan from Sanji, lets hope next chapter he manages to give some hints about why he is acting like this.
And as been said, this is the third time a straw hat does that, one may think even Luffy would get the idea, or at least Nami.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Woah there Sanji. That was harsh.
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Dammit Sanji we know both you and Luffy don't believe what you're saying :p
Also Big Mother Nature.
Edit, @pariston_hill:So far no clever plan from Sanji, lets hope next chapter he manages to give some hints about why he is acting like this.
And as been said, this is the third time a straw hat does that, one may think even Luffy would get the idea, or at least Nami.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I doubt it's a plan….
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Pretty cool chapter, some nice emotional struggling from Sanji and what not.
I was so sure that Bobbin was one of Big Mom's commanders since he was a designated island destroyer and so chill around her, but ah well.
Either he's the supreme commander that stands above the sweet commanders or he's Lord Potato starch. He's definitely hot shit it's why he's not been reintroduced yet.
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What's the matter with "Zeus" and "Prometheus"? Since the other two sweet commanders have different names..(or maybe Zeus and prometheus are just their nicknames) Cause I don't see any connections between the soul fruit and weather control. Sounds like a strange choice, names of gods remind of the ancestral weapons. Maybe they are other fighters in big mom's crew, just like bobbin, whom we all thought was a commander. But still, strange. Interesting though. For the rest, Sanji's reaction was predictable but it hurt to watch.
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Wow, that might've conjured an emotional response from me if it wasn't the 3rd time a major nakama did this exact thing to the crew
Right? It was just sort of lame for me, though I understand why he did it, I suppose.
Edit: I predict zues and promethious are some sort of living weapons. Weapons she controls, but her soul fruit gave them life, like the trees.
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Awesome chapter so Big Mom can control the weather nice. So Big Mom children can't have her VC yet Lola had even more convinced of Lola berr her favorite daughter and that card saving Luffyy from BM.
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So far no clever plan from Sanji, lets hope next chapter he manages to give some hints about why he is acting like this.
And as been said, this is the third time a straw hat does that, one may think even Luffy would get the idea, or at least
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkQuit jumping on the bandwagon, even if Luffy and Nami can see through what he's saying the nature of what he's saying is really harsh, when has Sanji ever spoken to them like that it's definitely going to get them emotional. Nami is probably already thinking that he's in deep shit to be acting the way he is, no one's actually buying what he's saying. As for a repeated scenario, it doesn't matter if it's repeated as long as the execution is done differently which we've yet to see so maybe hold your horses.
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A couple of things about this chapter.
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Big Mom has two technically three different powers? The soul thing and the weather control? Far fetched but it would be hilarious for Nami to bring her down or at least cause a stalemate.
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Hmm….I'm not really liking Sanji's arc at the moment. It's turning into a rehash of the plot they went through with Robin and Nami. It would have been better if he just said he can't go. And shows them the bracelet or mentions Zeff. He's smart enough and Nami's smart enough...And occasionally Luffy's intution would be able to pick up something is off. I don't think Sanji's dad would detonate the bracletes right on the way to the wedding or get rid of a hostage. Sanji definitely wouldn't have a reason to pretend to go along with the farce.
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honestly you can't deny the fact that this happening for the 2nd time with a nakama devalues Sanji's reaction… And cheapens Sanji's character too. At this point in the story, nobody in the crew should doubt their nakama WHATEVER the circunstances, loved ones in danger or not. Here's to hoping Oda turns it around and we get to have another Mr. Prince moment where Sanji actually has a plan, or he just plans on talking to Luffy while they fight or something. Luffy and Nami surely won't buy this. Please Oda
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Interesting chapter. I think sanji's act is just him trying to fight luffy in order to show him his cuffs and/or somehow convey to him that he's a prisoner. Otherwise, Sanji is really trying to cut ties with luffy just like the three other strawhats that have tried and failed. Of course, now the stakes are higher; it's big mom we're talking about, so this will surely be interesting.
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You go Luffy, murder those human-minded trees! Piss off humanitarians and environmentalists at the same time ;)
Anyone understand wtf is with Big Mom's powers?Conqueror's Haki ? It would be about bloody time this was introduced for something else than knocking out peons.
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Didn't expect that they'll found Cracker's body this soon. I seriously taken Luffy's words last chapter way too literal. Hahaha.
Pretty awesome chapter. Even with many things exposed, such as Big Mom weather control, Sweets Commanders names, some names of the ministers, etc., it still feels quite short. And the ending is just… can't wait for the next chapter already.
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So far no clever plan from Sanji, lets hope next chapter he manages to give some hints about why he is acting like this.
And as been said, this is the third time a straw hat does that, one may think even Luffy would get the idea, or at least Nami.Sanji must have a plan, we just don't know it yet. Also yes, I assume both Nami and Luffy will persevere.
And Nami versus Big Mom? Obviously Nami knows more about the weather than Big Mom. -
- Hmm….I'm not really liking Sanji's arc at the moment. It's turning into a rehash of the plot they went through with Robin. It would have been better if he just said he can't go. And shows them the bracelet or mentions Zeff. He's smart enough and Nami's smart enough...And occasionally Luffy's intution would be able to pick up something is off. I don't think Sanji's dad would detonate the bracletes right on the way to the wedding or get rid of a hostage. Sanji definitely wouldn't have a reason to pretend to go along with the farce.
I hear you on this. I am hoping that next chapter has Sanji seize the opportunity of his 'putting trash back where it belongs' to slip in a word or two. There's also the fact that he's practically yelled "you should learn to read between the lines". That alone should be enough for Nami to catch up that there is more at stake than meets the eye.
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A weak chapter in my opinion as Oda is trying to bring some elements of the Robin's arc regardless of the context that made it good.
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Oh wow Sanji's eyebrows have a mind of their own now. They were normal the rest of the chapter.
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But in all seriousness Oda has been fucking up something on Sanji every chapter now for like the past three months. Be it this or the handcuffs or forgetting his facial hair.
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Right now I'm assuming Big Mom's "Zeus" and "Prometheus" are literally a living thundercloud and sun respectively. We saw she had an animated sun homie toward the beginning of the arc, so having a thundercloud homie as well would allow for her to control the weather but still fall within the power of her Soul DF.
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of course luffy wouldn't be happy of being considered under big mom,but at the same time he would accept that if it's what it is needed to stay with sanji..
He already said in chapter 815 that he wouldn't accept that.
And he won't accept the marriage either because once married, Sanji is not part of the strawhat crew anymore, as stated by Pekoms. -
Thoughts on the chapter:
- Lord smoothie and Lord potato starch??? Really Oda????
- What the hell is with Big Mom's powers? She can control weather now?
- Someone pointed out to me that she may have imbued a ton of powerful souls into like a raging forest fire and a massive thunderstorm so that she could control them. Makes slight more sense…I guess?
- Luffy's insane metabolism making a comeback.
- And here we go a rehash of I can't explain my situation to you, so I'm going to act like I hate you trope. For god's sake Sanji you could have slipped them a note or something.
- Sigh…whatever Oda, hopefully you have something better in mind about where this is going
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He already said in chapter 815 that he wouldn't accept that.
And he won't accept the marriage either because once married, Sanji is not part of the strawhat crew anymore, as stated by Pekoms.aladdin is still with the fishmen pirates despite married with praline
the strawhats would be subordinates of big mom but they will still be allowed to exist and sanjji can still be part of them
of coruse luffy's pride doesn't allows him to serve under another,but at the same time he said that sanji leaving would be even worse than serving under big mom, so if forced to decide,he would probably choose sanji -
Pretty cool chapter, some nice emotional struggling from Sanji and what not.
I was so sure that Bobbin was one of Big Mom's commanders since he was a designated island destroyer and so chill around her, but ah well.
Still hoping we see something from him. I doubt Oda just introduced him without having him play a larger role. Maybe he's her right hand man?
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Thanks a lot!!!!! :D
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I'm guessing Big Mom can just list souls into the weather… Weird but not that crazy.
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The act doesn't work when you've pulled with two other people, nice try though.
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I hope Luffy says something like this :
- You're forgetting your place, stupid cook. I'll teach you a lesson ! - goes in G2 and one shots Sanji with the whole Vinsmoke family.
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So there is more to the letter then what it seems. I do remember a trick involving lemon juice I picked up from another fandom could that be it here?
Also Sanji vs Luffy :o
It's like Water 7 All over again!Alabasta arc/Dressrosa?
Zou/Skypeia?
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Am I the only one not seeing a direct parallel with Robin?
Robin was new to the crew and had the direct threat of CP9 and the Buster Call. One press of the button and a fleet with Admiral would show up, ensuing certain death. She never realized the power of the crew could stop this threat right there and then.
With Sanji however, the threat is different. His hands are at stake, the man and restaurant that saved his live after escaping is at stake. What can Luffy and co. do about this? Sail back all the way to East Blue? Rip off his bracelet hoping it'll go right Rayleigh style? And what then, can a hurt Luffy stop all brothers and Judge right there?
Not only is the moment for the clash not right, Sanji has stuff at stake they can't protect him from. This show (as Luffy stated: don't believe it) is needed to find an opportunity to change the flow of this 'war', so to speak.
Pardon me if I don't get my point across well, there are definitely resemblances, but the big picture is very different for me.
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Luffy vs Sanji? like we don't have more than enough enemies around, can't see where it goes
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Please let Sanji have a Mr. Prince moment next chapter, Oda. Anything else would be disappointing.
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Luffy vs Sanji? like we don't have more than enough enemies around, can't see where it goes
Well, it's a plot point to really show Sanji's strength. After defeating Doflamingo and Cracker we know Luffy is strong, so now we get to see that Sanji is strong too.
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Am I the only one not seeing a direct parallel with Robin?
The details may differ but I can't shake it from my mind after Reiju directly quoted Saul with the exception of like one word.
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Disappointed in Sanji, of all people, he should trust Luffy more. I don't care whatever situation he may find himself.
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What a nice color spread.
The one thing that kinda confuses me is how Big Mom's DF even works. Controlling the essences/souls of people for life was one thing, but now weather? I suppose it stacks up to a very generalized nature devil fruit but I worry that it kinda has the same problem as Hancock's or Viola's fruit - there's too much it can do and it doesn't feel focused.
As much as Sanji's situation mirrors Nami and Robin, it's not quite the same - here we know of the turmoil before hand, whereas with the latter cases, the reader didn't know the story as to why they were suddenly being so cold and distant. You can clearly see the guilt and grief on Sanji's face as Luffy approaches, he wants to go back to them but he can't just yet, and he's also thinking about Zeff and the Baratie as well.
Luffy isn't biting, and I wager Nami will be savvy enough to guess next chapter?
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Quit jumping on the bandwagon, even if Luffy and Nami can see through what he's saying the nature of what he's saying is really harsh, when has Sanji ever spoken to them like that it's definitely going to get them emotional. Nami is probably already thinking that he's in deep shit to be acting the way he is, no one's actually buying what he's saying. As for a repeated scenario, it doesn't matter if it's repeated as long as the execution is done differently which we've yet to see so maybe hold your horses.
I agree thar the execution is what really counts, but I still feel that the whole straw hat is blackmailed into doing one biding by having a death threat on those he hold dear can be done only a certain amount of times before losing effect.
I also think Sanji could have been more subtle and less harsh, all of the Mr.Prince's action were very subtle, I think he has a plan to relay a message to Luffy and Nami i just didn't like the way it started.And, for some completely different all the Vinsmoke brothers showed the heart eyes upon seeing Nami. I wonder if it's a side effect of genetic modification.
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I like sanji's new prince look with cape and stuff. Hope he keeps it over suits.
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Awesome!!!
I'll read it later when I get the chance!
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Oh wow Sanji's eyebrows have a mind of their own now. They were normal the rest of the chapter.
But in all seriousness Oda has been fucking up something on Sanji every chapter now for like the past three months. Be it this or the handcuffs or forgetting his facial hair.
nice find!i think it's a possibility it is done intentionally to show that sanji is putting on an act and is acting like his brothers.
also count mario and others pointed out,but Zeus and Prometheus are probably powerful homies Big Mom uses to influence weather.
@Count:I thought that they were just quotes from the crowd, but the sun and moon were actually talking lol. I should've noticed that sooner.
What fascinates me is the umbrella Big Mom carries. I wonder if it has any quirky abilities itself.
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they've been together for years now. sanji isn't even a new member like robin was back then..he should know that luffy won't leave the island. fake tension and bad chapter.
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Disappointed in Sanji, of all people, he should trust Luffy more. I don't care whatever situation he may find himself.
The cuffs on his hands will explode the moment he tries anything crazy, so no amount of trust in Luffy will save his hands at the moment.