Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread v.2
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Nyuhuhuhu! So you noticed my subtile attempt to take over the thread.
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Back to the '' zou has a traitor mink theory''.
So pedro was called '' captain'' this chapter, like what? Pirate captain maybe?
What if long ago Pedro used to be a pirate working for kaidou or just one of his allies. Since then, Kaidou had his vivre card. That's how they found Zou. Pedro didn't betray them, but he keep his past as secret.
So now that Pedro is at cake island, maybe kaidou's pirates would crash the tea party thinking they go to Zou.
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If Pedro knows this he could just throw his vivre card away.
Vivre cards don't point to the owner, point to the big piece.
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If Pedro knows this he could just throw his vivre card away.
Vivre cards don't point to the owner, point to the big piece.
Yeah, and the big piece points to the person. If they have the biggest piece, they can track Pedro down. It's not a farfetched theory, imo…
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Yeah, and the big piece points to the person. If they have the biggest piece, they can track Pedro down. It's not a farfetched theory, imo…
That wasn't ever stated in the manga.
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They pull at eachother.
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That wasn't ever stated in the manga.
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They pull at eachother.
Hmm, I was pretty sure of that. Than what does the biggest piece point towards?
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According to what we know, the other pieces, probably the 2th biggest.
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Then why does bartolomeo's vivre card point to luffy if zoro has it?
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Oh, you are right, the things stated in the manga are irrelevant because a Zoro couldn't ever give Luffy the vivrecard off panel.
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Sure didnt look like ace had a card with him in marineford yet the card moved towards him. A piece points to the person if you tear a card the laargest piece ( if not split evenly will point to the largest piece )
The card sabo gave zoro points to luffy, and he took a tiny piece. Each of the commanders took a piece.
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That's the biggie, and yet, Raileigh in the arc after it, and Lola in the arc before it say that the thing points to the paper.
Either Oda forgot, or the marines didn't do a cavity/clothes search.
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@uniaka:
Then why does bartolomeo's vivre card point to luffy if zoro has it?
Oh, you are right, the things stated in the manga are irrelevant because a Zoro couldn't ever give Luffy the vivrecard off panel.
The hilarious thing about this is that Luffy is literally shown holding the vivre card on the very next page..
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(traduction from french, sorry if there are some mistakes)
A theory about the hidden informations in some color drawings:
Predictions: chapter 692
Occurs: chapter 830 and after…1. Sanji in japanese means "3 pm"
2. We can see on Sanji's t-shirt "3 pm"
3. Brook (the death ?) is making "3 pm" with his arms
4. The Needles are spades (which could refer to Ace, and thus, again to the death ?)
5. They are all drinking tea–->Tea Party
6. Nami is drawn on the t-shirt of Sanji--->will she be the one going to oppose to the marriage ?
7. The sentence on the clock: "...machine that can travel..."--->"machine that can travel in time ?" + "le temps qui passe nous indiffère" in french. (The passage of time is unnoticeable)7a. My first theory is that Bonney will be at the tea party (With her power she can rejuvenate or aging people–>The celestial dragons needs this power to stay "young"/"immortal")
7b. My second theory is that the father of Sanji is currently involved at "rêverie" AND at the wedding--->He can travel in time. (yes, it must be his father. Look at his moustache^^) Look also at his chin.Sanji's father:
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hum, interesting theory. i like how the author gives hints about what's gonna happen. would you give me the link from where you get this theory ? or did you make it yourself ?
I'd like to add something.
-Chopper is holding the infinite sign.
-Behind Luffy, the clock is posting the number 4. Yonji ?
-Franky's wearing the number 10, and the guy at the Reverie, his clock is saying 10 too.
-Zoro's pointing 11, same for the clock at the back of Nami. Maybe it's the mother.
-Another clock behind at the top left is pointing 8, but in the main clock there is no number 8. I've no idea what it could mean.But where does Reiji belongs ?
And what's the animal staring at Sanji's tea ? Maybe it also means something.
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A theory about the hidden informations in some color drawings:So a wrong theory.
1. Sanji in japanese means "3 pm"
No it doesn't. Not exactly anyway.
This is Sanji in Japanese "サンジ"
This is 3 O Clock "三時".Absent regardless is "PM" which as far as I can tell you grabbed out of thin air.
2. We can see on Sanji's t-shirt "3 pm"
Do you have no idea what PM is? Because once again, out of thin air. There is no PM on Sanji's shirt.
3. Brook (the death ?) is making "3 pm" with his arms
Or 3 AM.
4. The Needles are spades (which could refer to Ace, and thus, again to the death ?)
That's an icnredibly standard shape for clock hands, which isn't even getting into the random nonsense of made up symbolism you're forcing into it.
5. They are all drinking tea–->Tea Party
What planet do they serve tea with a soup ladle on.
They're drinking soup. And "they" is Robin, literally just Robin. "They are all" you have made up.6. Nami is drawn on the t-shirt of Sanji–->will she be the one going to oppose to the marriage ?
….what??
7. The sentence on the clock: "…machine that can travel..."--->"machine that can travel in time ?" + "le temps qui passe nous indiffère" in french. (The passage of time is unnoticeable)
Has nothing to do with anything except the color spread.
The color spread being from the end parts of Punk Hazard for godsakes.
No, no to everything you're saying here.7a. My first theory is that Bonney will be at the tea party (With her power she can rejuvenate or aging people–>The celestial dragons needs this power to stay "young"/"immortal")
It's a cutesy saying about time flying when you're having fun on a random picture of the Strawhats having fun making clocks. It has nothing to do with anything at all.
7b. My second theory is that the father of Sanji is currently involved at "rêverie" AND at the wedding–->He can travel in time. (yes, it must be his father. Look at his moustache^^) Look also at his chin.
This theory would be bad on its own, but the manner of your coming up with it is in a totally different league of bad.
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hum, interesting theory. i like how the author gives hints about what's gonna happen.
There are no hints of anything in that color spread.
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-Chopper is holding the infinite sign.
And what's the animal staring at Sanji's tea ?.I think that is the number 8, the animal looks like An owl for me.
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1. Sanji in japanese means "3 pm"
2. We can see on Sanji's t-shirt "3 pm"
3. Brook (the death ?) is making "3 pm" with his arms
4. The Needles are spades (which could refer to Ace, and thus, again to the death ?)sanji's gonna die? and ace is gonna come back from the dead?
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Don Freecs: I don't remember well. It was on a french forum (from the point 1 to 5, after they are my theories).
Hanz: "sanji's gonna die?". Not my theory (and i hope not) but it is a possibility when compared with the theory for Ace death (I mention it here below with the presence and significance of Brook)
Monkey King: I find you a bit aggressive. It is just a theory (that don't deserve it's own thread^^) and i find this interesting.But ok for the "3 pm" or "3 am" thing…
However the "hidden informations in some color drawings" really exist.
For exemple:
Predictions: chapter 520
Occurs: chapter 574 (Ace death)Explanations:
-Luffy takes the "joker" card with Brook on it (the death)
-In his right hand the ace of spades
-Ace was the Spades pirates captainor (from Greg blog)
Predictions: chapitre 811
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Hanz: "sanji's gonna die?". Not my theory (and i hope not) but it is a possibility when compared with the theory for Ace death (I mention it here below with the presence and significance of Brook)
It is completely impossible that Oda is going to kill Sanji, let alone in this arc.
Did you try thinking about story and plot progression …instead of trying to figure things out through rorschach test palm reading quackery?Monkey King: I find you a bit aggressive. It is just a theory (that don't deserve it's own thread^^) and i find this interesting.But ok for the "3 pm" or "3 am" thing…
No its not. This isn't even qualified as a theory. There's bad theorizing out there, but this isn't even that.
You're spinning random nonsense out of thin air, based on some French forums already thin air based nonsense.
Your buried several layers beneath the minimum qualifications of actually having a theory here.-Luffy takes the "joker" card with Brook on it (the death)
-In his right hand the ace of spades
-Ace was the Spades pirates captainCool, so you pieced together this part coincidence/part not even really symbolizing anything (that's not the same expression at all, Brooke being the joker card…..so what?) monstrosity of glue and dried pasta, and instead of learning anything about actually figuring anything out about stories you've become a witch doctor who thinks he has a PhD.
Predictions: chapitre 811
Occurs: In the next film this year (clothes in the next film)That's a trivial for fun easter egg, perfectly fitting into Oda's methods. Based on stuff he was probably designing for the movie staff at the time.
Meanwhile on the other hand you're predicting deaths of major characters using ridiculously flimsy crap (the Brooke example) and predicting deaths and TIME TRAVELING CONSTANT EXISTENCE based on literally nothing at all.
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@Monkey:
So a wrong theory.
No it doesn't. Not exactly anyway.
This is Sanji in Japanese "サンジ"
This is 3 O Clock "三時".Absent regardless is "PM" which as far as I can tell you grabbed out of thin air.
Do you have no idea what PM is? Because once again, out of thin air. There is no PM on Sanji's shirt.
Well, it does not say PM, but, first, japanese has two syllabaries: katakana and hiragana; and kanji (I guess you already know this). In any case, Oda always uses katakana to write names, so that's why it's サンジ. Plus, the pronunciation of 三時 is サンジ, and that is the reason of the "pun" with Yonji, and presumably with his another brothers.
Oda probably drew 3:00 in Sanji's shirt as a pun.
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Well, it does not say PM, but, first, japanese has two syllabaries: katakana and hiragana; and kanji
Yes, one based more on native Japanese words (Hiragana), one used mainly to pronounce loan words (Katakana), and one utilizing Chinese characters (Kanji).
In any case, Oda always uses katakana to write names, so that's why it's サンジ. Plus, the pronunciation of 三時 is サンジ, and that is the reason of the "pun" with Yonji, and pre
"Not exactly" also implies that Sanji is a word that has different meanings depending.
Maybe maybe not, what this has to do with the tea party timing I have no idea. Because even if Oda's basing the Vinsmokes on puns….ok thats it! No greater meaning let alone Sanji's dad being able to ignore space and time. -
@Monkey:
"Not exactly" also implies that Sanji is a word that has different meanings depending.
Maybe maybe not, what this has to do with the tea party timing I have no idea. Because even if Oda's basing the Vinsmokes on puns….ok thats it! No greater meaning let alone Sanji's dad being able to ignore space and time.Yes, you're right, it's not like i'm defending his theory, which seems very far fetched.
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@Monkey:
There are no hints of anything in that color spread.
Actually, the "Ace was going to die, Oda told us" is a well-known theory on internet. This is why I say the author gives hints.
And this theory is funny. This is a very good reason to talk about it and believe it's true. A VERY GOOD ONE. -
Well I'm not good enough in english to have a long discussion with you Monkey King and, i fact i don't really want (it seems you often answer like that…you take maybe the theories here a little too seriously).
Maybe these theories will be right, maybe not...We shall see "soon" enough.
Personally, i will be "happy" if Sanji's father is this guy for exemple. But it will not prevent me from sleeping well
And what's the animal staring at Sanji's tea ? Maybe it also means something.
Maybe it is Fukuro from CP9 ?
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Those aren't even proper theories to begin with, all you do is take seven minor details that most probably don't have to do with anything story-related out of old colorspreads and finish your post with two predictions. At first I thought you and Don_Freecs were joking because your posts and their structure reminded me of those
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Actually, the "Ace was going to die, Oda told us" is a well-known theory on internet. This is why I say the author gives hints.
And this theory is funny. This is a very good reason to talk about it and believe it's true. A VERY GOOD ONE.Ehm… Not in color spreads and logic jumps that claim that brook means death. But through the plot and analysis that Ace wasn't long for this world.
That way of thinking is like saying that brook was foreshadowed since the beginning because every jolly roger had a skull.
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Its like saying that the stars predicted a storm, when the satellite image and barometers and stuff were what did it.
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stop the " I have a scientific mind, i dont believe these things ".
nobody here is very serious about it. it's just FUNNY !The author has even created mini-series for his manga. Why some of these drawings wouldn't have a hidden meaning ?
Knowing the author, I think it fits very well with his mind to do such things.there is another theory on this one http://one-piecevf.com/lecture/scans/one-piece-scan-784-01.jpg
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If you just want to write your stuff and not get it analized and dissected, then don't post them here or ignore the criticism.
Yeah. We could be wrong, but when we have over 7 art books of color pages, with very little of plot relevant hints (and I mean true hints, like robin and usopp leaving the crew shortly after the kung fu cover where only luffy usopp and robin were there), not general "he did a Chinese style cover 3 years before kano"
Compare with the very strong in story foreshadowing of… Everything.
Don't trust horoscopes, trust barometers.
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stop the " I have a scientific mind, i dont believe these things ".
nobody here is very serious about it. it's just FUNNY !The author has even created mini-series for his manga. Why some of these drawings wouldn't have a hidden meaning ?
Knowing the author, I think it fits very well with his mind to do such things.there is another theory on this one http://one-piecevf.com/lecture/scans/one-piece-scan-784-01.jpg
but I think this one is too much fetched. it's something like "Zoro will beat the strongest swordsman at XXX chapter"Who said anything about a scientific mind? they're saying if you want to theorize, atleast use plot details or storytelling troupes that could foreshadow something. Not hidden symbolism in a conspiracy theory style analysis. This isn't The Da Vinci Code, it's a manga for teenagers.
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Actually, the "Ace was going to die, Oda told us" is a well-known theory on internet.
Yes, and for none of the reasons you're asserting here.
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Well I'm not good enough in english to have a long discussion with you Monkey King and, i fact i don't really want (it seems you often answer like that…you take maybe the theories here a little too seriously).
Maybe these theories will be right, maybe not...We shall see "soon" enough.
The theories are wrong.
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stop the " I have a scientific mind, i dont believe these things ".
nobody here is very serious about it. it's just FUNNY !The author has even created mini-series for his manga. Why some of these drawings wouldn't have a hidden meaning ?
Knowing the author, I think it fits very well with his mind to do such things.I'd respond on what's wrong here, but I'm now expecting your response to be "DUDE ITS JUST A PRANK BRO"
I have no idea what you're even on about at this point.
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this clock here obviously mean something too
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this clock here obviously mean something too
http://i5.mangareader.net/one-piece/809/one-piece-6614701.jpg
It means its 6 PM and the sun has gone down, making it the time of Nekomamushi.
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So, every clock represents Clockbeard? Even the timer from the Alabasta bomb?
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But through the plot and analysis that Ace wasn't long for this world.
Not really. If Pell survived, then Ace probaby wan't going to die. The fact that he did was a huge shock from a story telling perspective. Especially considering that the story could have easily continued with him alive. Hell, if you take an objective view of both Ace, Luffy and their backstories then Ace could have easily been the main character.
It's one of the few examples of valid shock value. Ace's death was a story telling sacrifice to prove that the One Piece world wasn't a foam padded kiddy story world where no one dies and everyone is "blown clear" all the time. It's something that Whitebeard's death alone could have accomplished, but throwing Ace in as well fully renewed and cemented the dramatic tension of the series.
Anyone that says they "knew" he was going to die is lying. At best they're people that just hedged their bets on a gut feeling and got lucky.
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Ace needed to die to act as the final gut punch for Luffy's epiphany about his and the Strawhats' actual standing in the world. They were too weak for the New World, and unless Luffy wanted to lose even more family, they had to level up good.
Ace survives? Luffy doesn't learn this, and waltzes to the crew's death in the early New World.
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Not really.
Yes really.
There were other inside spoilery leaks that hinted (and outright revealed in retrospect) Ace's death, but people were ALSO predicting Whitebeard would die for the same plot story reasons. Based off story and plot.If Pell survived, then Ace probaby wan't going to die.
This doesn't follow at all.
Ace is a larger character by far, and the events and circumstances leading to his death are massively different in scale and plot structure. Pell is completely irrelevant.
Basically as people started getting a sense of the scope and structural purpose of the Marineford battle, the more likely it seemed that Oda would be entering into special circumstances regarding his usual rules. Particularly as regarded Whitebeard.The fact that he did was a huge shock from a story telling perspective.
Only because of Oda, in any other story the plot was screaming major character deaths. In this case even with Oda it was screaming it so loud that it was near impossible to ignore the idea of Oda's normal rules not applying.
Especially considering that the story could have easily continued with him alive.
Easily??
It would have been super awkward and not made narrative sense.
Marineford had to be a defeat for Luffy. Whitebeard's death, likely as it was, didn't really change that in of itself. That would be tragic but not a defeat.
It could not be a happy ending. And Ace was slated for execution, not life imprisonment (in a jail we'd already breached and escaped from by that point).
Marineford operated in many ways as a preview of conflicts and strength levels yet to come, Luffy couldn't be victorious there at that stage in the plot. There had to be a sense of Luffy previewing the highest heights and clearly not being ready. With the antagonists coming out on top, growing out sense of frustration for Luffy to overcome them, as well as setting them up for growing even greater in threat.Hell, if you take an objective view of both Ace, Luffy and their backstories then Ace could have easily been the main character.
If Tite Kubo was writing One Piece sure. But who the fuck would want to read that. Ultimately Ace is enjoyable as the cool (to others I always found him boring) out of reach older brother figure. Maybe his overly perfect cool guy thing is on purpose like that, to be this way ahead on the path sort of thing for Luffy to strive at.
That falls apart into insanely boring nothingness if it becomes the main character.It's one of the few examples of valid shock value.
Big ol' no on that one.
Ace's death was a story telling sacrifice to prove that the One Piece world wasn't a foam padded kiddy story world where no one dies
If that was the purpose then Oda would be killing people normally now, except he isn't. The circumstances of Ace and Whitebeard dying were specific to the level of that part in the story in terms of importance and impact. They were unquestionably killed for narrative reasons, like the ones I listed above.
If Oda was actually concerned about people disliking his "almost no deaths" thing he would have changed it. But he didn't.It's something that Whitebeard's death alone could have accomplished, but throwing Ace in as well fully renewed and cemented the dramatic tension of the series.
Except it didn't renew anything at all. Oda didn't start writing his plots like that. He's the same old Oda.
Anyone that says they "knew" he was going to die is lying. At best they're people that just hedged their bets on a gut feeling and got lucky.
And if that gut feeling was described in full rationale with reasons and logic?
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Not really. If Pell survived, then Ace probaby wan't going to die. The fact that he did was a huge shock from a story telling perspective. Especially considering that the story could have easily continued with him alive. Hell, if you take an objective view of both Ace, Luffy and their backstories then Ace could have easily been the main character.
It's one of the few examples of valid shock value. Ace's death was a story telling sacrifice to prove that the One Piece world wasn't a foam padded kiddy story world where no one dies and everyone is "blown clear" all the time. It's something that Whitebeard's death alone could have accomplished, but throwing Ace in as well fully renewed and cemented the dramatic tension of the series.
Anyone that says they "knew" he was going to die is lying. At best they're people that just hedged their bets on a gut feeling and got lucky.
Ace was replaced by Sabo i think Oda also planned for Ace to die sooner than he did as well and that he made Sabo during the war to replace Ace due to Oda not thinking he was that popular.
Sabo is Ace 2.0
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@sanji''s_dad:
Ace was replaced by Sabo i think Oda also planned for Ace to die sooner than he did as well and that he made Sabo during the war to replace Ace due to Oda not thinking he was that popular.
Sabo is Ace 2.0
Give him a little more credit than that.
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@sanji''s_dad:
Ace was replaced by Sabo i think Oda also planned for Ace to die sooner than he did as well and that he made Sabo during the war to replace Ace due to Oda not thinking he was that popular.
I think Oda wanted to have his cake and eat it too, basically.
Tragic death that will move Luffy forward as character + keep the cool older brother archetype alive.
Ace has always been popular, even look at where he placed in the last SJ character popularity poll despite being dead for two years in OP time and six years in real time.
@sanji''s_dad:
Sabo is Ace 2.0
They are very similar it's true, at least Sabo's a bit cheerier.
Still hate his goddamn face after the role he played in Dressrosa though.
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Not really. If Pell survived, then Ace probaby wan't going to die. The fact that he did was a huge shock from a story telling perspective. Especially considering that the story could have easily continued with him alive. Hell, if you take an objective view of both Ace, Luffy and their backstories then Ace could have easily been the main character.
It's one of the few examples of valid shock value. Ace's death was a story telling sacrifice to prove that the One Piece world wasn't a foam padded kiddy story world where no one dies and everyone is "blown clear" all the time. It's something that Whitebeard's death alone could have accomplished, but throwing Ace in as well fully renewed and cemented the dramatic tension of the series.
Anyone that says they "knew" he was going to die is lying. At best they're people that just hedged their bets on a gut feeling and got lucky.
Sorry , Ace was one character that was made to die. though I can't recall what interview where it was said as it was about 5/6 yrs ago, Oda confirmed he knew Ace was going to die back when he first introduced Ace.
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Is it possible that Bonney was promised by Big Mom to marry Ace one day and thats why she was crying ?
I know its more of a silly thought than a theory but is it an option to consider such reason ? Bonney certainly seems to be one of Big Mom daughters right now and maybe she could have cried for such a reason.
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Is it possible that Bonney was promised by Big Mom to marry Ace one day and thats why she was crying ?
I know its more of a silly thought than a theory but is it an option to consider such reason ? Bonney certainly seems to be one of Big Mom daughters right now and maybe she could have cried for such a reason.
if she was a daughter of big mom,why pudding mentioned only ONE sister who escaped her fate?that one being obviously lola
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if she was a daughter of big mom,why pudding mentioned only ONE sister who escaped her fate?that one being obviously lola
Dunno.
Maybe she was married to somebody from goverment and she escped Holy Land? Maybe she was in love with Ace? I am getting into fanfiction area so I wont continue for my own sake
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if she was a daughter of big mom,why pudding mentioned only ONE sister who escaped her fate?that one being obviously lola
I don't think it was said that Big Mom forcefully keeps all her family around 24/7, though? Difference between Lola and Bonney being that Lola cut all her ties with Big Mom but Bonney didn't.
I'm not really a fierce proponent of the "Bonney is BM's duaghter" theory, but I'm keeping the option open.
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if she was a daughter of big mom,why pudding mentioned only ONE sister who escaped her fate?that one being obviously lola
Maybe because she didn't escape her fate and got married to that one guy in her crew with the "Great Man" shirt.
Obviously "Great Husband" was too long to fit on the shirt. I mean he doesn't look like the kind of guy you would marry willingly. -
Maybe because she didn't escape her fate and got married to that one guy in her crew with the "Great Man" shirt.
Obviously "Great Husband" was too long to fit on the shirt. I mean he doesn't look like the kind of guy you would marry willingly.He doesn't look like a character that an important person would be married to. Sorry but Bonney being Big Moms daughter is next to impossible already after that line.
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I was thinking about the power Blackbeard has gained and remembered the Payback War between him and Marco the Phoenix. As some others have pointed out, it is implied Blackbeard would steal another fruit for himself.
So far he has paramecia and logia confirmed, but he is missing a zoan type Devil Fruit so my hypothesis is this: After the Payback War, Blackbeard somehow stole Marco's fruit without killing him.
That would make him the most broken character in One Piece, but I'm thinking this can be possible.P.S. I apologise if I made some sort of sintaxis or wording mistake. English is not my native language.
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Theory: The World Government is responsible for the "Great Age of Pirates". I actually created a whole video about it :happy:. If you want to watch it, the link is here:
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@Cyan:
Ace needed to die to act as the final gut punch for Luffy's epiphany about his and the Strawhats' actual standing in the world. They were too weak for the New World, and unless Luffy wanted to lose even more family, they had to level up good.
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I completely agree 100%!!! Ace's death was a necessary life lesson for Luffy. They weren't ready for the New World and would have marched straight into their deaths had they met up in three days as they had originally planned.