What if Burgess solo'd everyone on baltigo and left the island in ruins.:ninja:
Chapter 823: Stirring World
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@Tamiel:
Heracles has been traveling for more if he left Shabondy(before Fishman Island) when the Strawhats left. I have to disagree that the places Kuma sent the SH were random, if you want to argue on where Ussop was sent, then maybe he was sent to meet Heracles. I'll rephrase and say that Kuma and Heracles know each other, following that train of thought, Kuma would know that Heracles is a pop green specialist.
You know, if Kuma and Heracles know each other, it means that he knew the he was there and Heracles could have helped Usopp get out of that island way before he got fat.
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@uniaka:
What if Burgess solo'd everyone on baltigo and left the island in ruins.:ninja:
With the guy who solo'd him back in Dressrosa in there?
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@D:
Oh so you can see what the book say?
Why would he ask her where she wants to go and then open the book before sending her there if it had nothing in it also the first time you quoted me was from me telling another poster that the islands the straw hats were sent to were not random since.
1.kuma was working for luffys dad dragon
2.kuma watched the straw hats fight moriah and oz to learn their fighting styles and their roles on the ship.
3.kuma had enough time between thrillar bark and sa to figure out where to send the straw hats he had a lot more time than he had with perona but he did not even need to think about where to send perona since she told him where she wanted to go but did not tell him the name of the island only the description of the island which means he has more than island names in the book or he would not have been able to send her to a island matching her description of where she wanted to go you said kuma never opened the book you have been given links to both the manga and anime proving he opened the book like i already said i was only proving that the straw hats did not get sent to random islands. -
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You know, if Kuma and Heracles know each other, it means that he knew the he was there and Heracles could have helped Usopp get out of that island way before he got fat.
Unless he sent a message to Heracles beforehand to teach Usopp there. And as much as I like Usopp, it was his own fault for getting fat. But it also served a purpose-for Usopp; to learn to control his willpower.
Frankly I don't think Usopp would have developed haki this soon if it wasn't for being on the 2nd most dangerous island that the Strawhats were sent to. Of all the island they landed on, Boin archipelago was 2nd in danger only to the island Luffy was on. -
Exactly! I'm glad someone gets it!
Yep.
It's all part of the tension. BB has been getting a lot more threatening to the world as the story has progressed. We've seen a glimpse of him from a Den Den Mushi on Dressrosa (IIRC) so I think Oda would want to wait to show him off until the moment is just right.
So we hear him and his crew doing these things and we go "oh crap, this guy's a monster…." Adds to the thrill.
Yeah, showing some of that progress only adds more thrill and overall quality.
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As if showing all those important figures all around the world wasn't enough World Building for one chapter…
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This arc was only twenty chapters and it was better than Dressrosa. And arguably more impactful for the overarching story.
It was pretty much exposition land. Barely any adventure or conflict.
It will lose a bunch of relevance in the future as a story as further revelations keep up happening.
It was definitely not that impactful as nothing happened in it to change the status quo of the world, unlike Doula's defeat.
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Yeah, showing some of that progress only adds more thrill and overall quality.
There's just so much you can show in a weekly 17-page release.
Showing this in real time is impossible, especially with all those bigshots moving around. Let it be delegated for later showing.
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no iranian like king yet :sad:
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@Monkey:
Some of the globes we've seen, namely this one, definitely show some really big islands? But at most we're talking Australia looking things at best.
That's absurd. Sandy island was already close to that size and it's nothing but a spec on the planet.
If you think there's any Eurasia/Africa/Americas sized continents on the OP globe aside from Red Line you're kidding yourself. Oda would have bothered to draw such a thing, and that one globe depicts absolutely nothing of the sort.
That one globe depicts absolutely that. You seem to forget that the grand line is a really thin strip. Those landmasses dwarf it in size. We know for a fact that continents exist in One Piece. We know that Sandy island, as big as it is, is merely an island.
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That's absurd. Sandy island was already close to that size and it's nothing but a spec on the planet.
Sandy Island is nowhere near the size of Australia. That's based on badly strangely done logic, that also assumed Oda was carefully considering these things when he had Vivi randomly say how wide the Sandora river was.
That one globe depicts absolutely that.
No it doesn't.
You seem to forget that the grand line is a really thin strip. Those landmasses dwarf it in size.
I'm not even paying attention to the Grand Line on the globe, just the Red Line.
We know for a fact that continents exist in One Piece.
Yeah, Red Line, and a couple Australia looking things.
We know that Sandy island, as big as it is, is merely an island.
We don't know how big it is. We also don't know how big the OP earth is in spite of what some wierdo measuring pixels thinks he figured out a couple years back.
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Wow, the revolutionary base got destroyed. I really doubt dragon died before we got to see him in action. I still hate the fact that burgess somehow managed to sneak into the base when he was 99% dead too
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Or maybe they did discover burgess and destroyed their own hideout, unsure if he had already revealed the location to BB or not.
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It doesn't seem random at all and this guy hasn't arrived at Boin despite being traveling for a few weeks now.
Another reason why it is useless to take One Piece geography seriously
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Another reason why it is useless to take One Piece geography seriously
I think he was visiting the GOLD casino.
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There's just so much you can show in a weekly 17-page release.
Showing this in real time is impossible, especially with all those bigshots moving around. Let it be delegated for later showing.
I agree with that. The way Oda ended the chapter on the BB vs Rev's note, it is still possible that the battle can be shown, Oda could flashback it.
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It's really shocking that people think Dragon and his crew were actually defeated. If anything, they purposely destroyed Baltigo(and also whatever it was that made it impossible to find) so as not to leave any evidence and took off. If they actually fell at the hands of BB at this point in the story I would be very surprised.
I also believe Dragon has Uranus, so I really really doubt he lost to BB.
Also have to lol @ the people saying BB's crew is useless
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@Monkey:
Sandy Island is nowhere near the size of Australia. That's based on badly strangely done logic
Elaborate.
Oda was carefully considering these things when he had Vivi randomly say how wide the Sandora river was.
Random?
No it doesn't.
What nicely thought out detailed argument. You've certainly convinced me.
I'm not even paying attention to the Grand Line on the globe, just the Red Line.
How can you properly form an argument without taking the grand line's size into account?
We don't know how big it is
We do have an idea of how big it is though based on the rivers size regardless of whether you like it or not.
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Yeah, man, just like Hody's water shot travelling some kilometers despite Fishman Island being at most 1 km in diameter. Or that island having 5 million people, despite that ridiculously small size. Or people travelling through Dressrosa in minutes during the conflict against Dofla, but Soldier and Rebecca visiting various villages and towns and fields in the flashback. Or the fact the the Straw Hats travelled from Reverse Mountain to the opposite side of the world in a matter of 3 months. The OP world is not consistent in terms of size. Oda has no knack for that. He is consistent with timelines, or geography, but only the layout part of geography. When it comes to numbers, Oda just throws some cool numbers.
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Yeah, man, just like Hody's water shot travelling some kilometers despite Fishman Island being at most 1 km in diameter
The distance Hody's water shot flew was never even stated. It's also impossible for FI to be on 1 km since that'd mean that Surume would be nearly as big as the Noah, which clearly isn't true.
Or that island having 5 million people, despite that ridiculously small size.
Which Island are you even referring to?
Or people travelling through Dressrosa in minutes
That never happened.
Or the fact the the Straw Hats travelled from Reverse Mountain
You are aware of the existence of Sea Currents right? Currents are used to propel ships to certain destinations at greater speeds.
When it comes to numbers, Oda just throws some cool numbers.
No. As it stands, you're just a severely misinformed know-it-all who thinks he can criticise someone else's knowledge of geography while knowing fuck-all about it.
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That's absurd. Sandy island was already close to that size and it's nothing but a spec on the planet. That one globe depicts absolutely that. You seem to forget that the grand line is a really thin strip. Those landmasses dwarf it in size. We know for a fact that continents exist in One Piece. We know that Sandy island, as big as it is, is merely an island.
Thats why I just dont see how the world has no continents I mean GL is a strip that can contain islands like Alabasta. And as you said "those landmasses dawrf it in size"
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Elaborate.
Well you'd have to present the information you heard again.
Some other guy just posted a Narutofan thread, and we discussed that. If you're going off something else by all means present it. If you want elaboration you'll have to bring the argument that was made in the first place back in.Random?
Yes, people were laughing that some fans would think Oda has thought out miles and distances and all this stuff in the sense of assigning size to anything. That he didn't just go with a number that he thought sounded nice and big. It's the argument of clueless engineer type people who think everyone has perfect grasps of distances and stuff. Chrior brings up exactly why taking things like that at face value from Oda is really stupid. And so did people in the Nautofan thread that was posted.
What nicely thought out detailed argument.
You didn't present the data or argument in the first place. You just sort of ambled in and declared it the size of Australia. Hell you're lucky people are even sort of aware that there was an argument made somewhere about the Australia thing in the first place.
How can you properly form an argument without taking the grand line's size into account?
You were referring to when I was talking about that globe and comparing the Red Line and the second or so largest size things on it. The Grand Line isn't shown on it so yeah I wasn't talking about how big or small the Grand Line is. Something I'm pretty sure we've also never been told.
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No. As it stands, you're just a severely misinformed know-it-all who thinks he can criticise someone else's knowledge of geography while knowing fuck-all about it.
See this is all sorts of what I'm talking about. You're clearly a guy who has a numbers head and thinks that's the way other people and disciplines work. Except no, sorry that's not how it goes hombre.
Oda hasn't displayed a head for numbers at any point. And thank god because we want him to have the creative sort of mind.
Secondly you don't seem to actually know what Geography is as a discipline, a very ironic thing considering what you're saying here. Geography is not "sizes and measurements of physical geography". That's a small element in maybe one wing of geography. Geography is a holistic field, with totally different spheres within it that don't always have the same sort of experts whatsoever (physical vs human for instance). Probably funniest of all though is geography has little to nothing to do with what's being discussed.
People are trying to measure an island in a comic book. Are we talking about the nature of the island? Are we talking about the features of the island? The people of the island as they relate to the space? Are we discussing how the Sandora might flow? If it has a watershed even in the desert? What it's source(s) are?No we're just measuring it purely on the subject of size. That's peripherally geography at best. If we were measuring the length of a lion in the manga would we be talking zoology all of a sudden lol?
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Yeah, no.
So Hody shot the water across Connecticut the long way. lol
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@Monkey:
So Hody shot the water across Connecticut the long way. lol
It was corrected in the volume and Oda erased the distance, wasn't it?
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It was corrected in the volume and Oda erased the distance, wasn't it?
Yes, but that's kind of the point. The distance Oda gave was just a big number that he clearly never really put much thought into (if he did, he would have kept it for the volume, for one).
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Yeah, that's removed in the volume.
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A better example of Oda not caring about distances and numbers is Viola's ability covering a 4000 kilometer radius… which is just a ridiculous size.
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4000 Kilometers, also known as "From DC to roughly Las Vegas".
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@Galaxy:
Yeah, that's removed in the volume.
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Most telling of all is he didn't replace it with another number. He just plain left numbers out lol.
Editor: You know sir a few people have pointed out what sort of distance this is, we should probably change it for the collected version.
Oda: Ok, it can be um, 60km or something.
Editor: That's still kind of-
Oda: Well jeez, how about 600km then.
Editor: Sir you just made it longer than before.
Oda: WELL CHRIST!!!! I DUNNO NOTHIN ABOUT ALL THIS DISTANCE SHIT, JUST LEAVE OUT A DISTANCE ALTOGETHER GOD. FUCK. -
I remember that Water Shot from Hody, lol. All the smart people did the math that went completely over my head and everyone realized what a big goof that was. They took the distance from the surface of the sea down to fishman island along with the water shot distance and calculated that the bubble surrounding Fishman Island should be above the surface of the water or something outrageous like that.
Oda just tossed out a big number and said cool. Then his brainy fans realized it would be impossible for Fishman Island to be that big considering other hard numbers we were given. So instead of trying to calculate the proper distance, Oda just disregarded it all together.
As far as continents in One Piece go, one has to wonder, why was Oars known as the continent puller? Maybe he did something absolutely insane with the red line?
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Thinking Oda decided to make the One Piece earth the size of the sun is just the most anti-Occam's Razor shit I've ever seen lol.
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I remember that Water Shot from Hody, lol. All the smart people did the math that went completely over my head and everyone realized what a big goof that was. They took the distance from the surface of the sea down to fishman island along with the water shot distance and calculated that the bubble surrounding Fishman Island should be above the surface of the water or something outrageous like that.
Oda just tossed out a big number and said cool. Then his brainy fans realized it would be impossible for Fishman Island to be that big considering other hard numbers we were given. So instead of trying to calculate the proper distance, Oda just disregarded it all together.
As far as continents in One Piece go, one has to wonder, why was Oars known as the continent puller? Maybe he did something absolutely insane with the red line?
he is the one that likely moved fishman ISLAND down there in the first place it was most likely above water which is why its called a island.
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@sanji''s_dad:
he is the one that likely moved fishman ISLAND down there in the first place it was most likely above water which is why its called a island.
Oh you are saying Oars swam Fishman Island into place? I don't know about all that.
I forget how old Oars was or when he lived nor do I remember when Fishmen and Mermaids took up residence under the ocean. If the time line matches up let us know.
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Oh you are saying Oars swam Fishman Island into place? I don't know about all that.
I forget how old Oars was or when he lived nor do I remember when Fishmen and Mermaids took up residence under the ocean. If the time line matches up let us know.
I seem to remember Robin saying he died around 500 years ago.
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I seem to remember Robin saying he died around 500 years ago.
yep and his body was in good condition because he froze to death which is why his skin color is most likely a different color than oars jr as well since the cold changed it..
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Waiting for bellsario to reveal differences she found in the viz version ( thanks btw ) lol, curse the wait from thursdqy morning scqnlqtors to mondqys
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We're on a break or is there going to be a chapter next week?
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That never happened.
The Bird Cage never happened ?
You are aware of the existence of Sea Currents right? Currents are used to propel ships to certain destinations at greater speeds.
No. As it stands, you're just a severely misinformed know-it-all who thinks he can criticise someone else's knowledge of geography while knowing fuck-all about it.If you are that well informed, how long did it take to Magellan ships to travel the world ? Even if the Sunny is a good ship, she is not that good. You don’t want to acknowledge the evidence, there are tons of others inconcistencies. Like Smocker poping up in Punk Hazard in a few hours for example
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We're on a break or is there going to be a chapter next week?
when there is a break its said at the end of the chapter unless the manga author is sick then its still said before the chapter is going to come out as well just not at the end of the chapter lol.
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You forgot to answer to his question; YOHOHOHOHO!
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I don't see any reason for BB to attack the revolutionaries HQ. He had nothing to gain from it (that we know).
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@sanji''s_dad:
when there is a break its said at the end of the chapter unless the manga author is sick then its still said before the chapter is going to come out as well just not at the end of the chapter lol.
No because next break (in 2 weeks) will be a magazine break so it won't be said at the end of the chapter.
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I don't see any reason for BB to attack the revolutionaries HQ. He had nothing to gain from it (that we know).
BUT knowing its location was of crucial importance and he could get much more by trading that information with the WG. And if the marines were the ones to attack and destroy Baltigo, it's very possible that the revolutionaries got the information from marine insiders and had time to escape.1. They want the mera mera fruit for burgess but he could end up with dragons fruit either way burguess gets a fruit out of it.
2.The ship he hide on had a lot of weapons taken from dressrosa
3.Fame Dragon has the highest bounty in the world taking him out would greatly increase anyones bounty and you could even trade him to the world govt for stuff such as money.
4.other devil fruits users dragon and other members would have good devil fruits to steal and since the blackbeard pirates hunt devil fruit users it would be a good place to get some powerful devil fruits dragon seems to have a powerful weather type devil fruit.
5.revenge for beating up burgess
6.information on the world govt,marines and ponyglyphs it seems robin translated some of them during her 2 years with dragons army.
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No because next break (in 2 weeks) will be a magazine break so it won't be said at the end of the chapter.
it would be said in the chapter thread already if that was next week also those breaks happen the same time every year due to public holidays in japan lol. (he was asking if their was a break next week and because the jump break was not on next week/chapter which if it was people would be talking about it in here then only other two chances of breaks like i said in my post that you quoted are one of oda's personal breaks which would be said at the end of the chapter and oda being sick which people would again know it would be no chapter before it came out since people would be posting about it again in the chapter thread lol.
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Can't you answer the question when you have the answer ? You are basically saying "I'm not telling you because it should be obvious LOL LOL LOL"
A forum is a place to exchange.I mean, it's cool that you explain him how to find the answer on his own next time. But Adma Fenix has been around for years and he certainly knows all this. He just wants one of his fellow forum member that already has the answer to share it.
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Can't you answer the question when you have the answer ? You are basically saying "I'm not telling you because it should be obvious LOL LOL LOL"
A forum is a place to exchange.I mean, it's cool that you explain him how to find the answer on his own next time. But Adma Fenix has been around for years and he certainly knows all this. He just wants one of his fellow forum member that already has the answer to share it.
We are getting chapter next week nothing says no chapter are you serious? THE ONLY WAY WE ARE NOT GETTING A CHAPTER IS IF ODA IS SICK AND I ALREADY SAID IT IN MY POST BUT LIKE I SAID WE WOULD KNOW HE WAS SICK BEFORE THE CHAPTER WOULD COME OUT!
IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW LONG SOMEONE HAS BEEN HERE SINCE SOME OF THEM ASK IF WE ARE GETTING A CHAPTER NEXT WEEK OR ASK FOR WHEN SPOILERS ARE COMING OUT EVERY WEEK LOL!
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still no punctuation tho
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@sanji''s_dad:
We are getting chapter next week nothing says no chapter are you serious? THE ONLY WAY WE ARE NOT GETTING A CHAPTER IS IF ODA IS SICK AND I ALREADY SAID IT IN MY POST BUT LIKE I SAID WE WOULD KNOW HE WAS SICK BEFORE THE CHAPTER WOULD COME OUT!
IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW LONG SOMEONE HAS BEEN HERE SINCE SOME OF THEM ASK IF WE ARE GETTING A CHAPTER NEXT WEEK OR ASK FOR WHEN SPOILERS ARE COMING OUT EVERY WEEK LOL!
they still ask because thy are still nice people to answer
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Another reason why it is useless to take One Piece geography seriously
I don't see much of a problem with Heraclesun not arriving to Boin yet. For starters, it hasn't been few weeks, but like 11 days. We have no idea how long it took for him and Usopp to get to Shabondy. We have no idea if he stops for refreshments on each island.
Agreed on geography, though. It seems characters in NW can get wherever they need to be in a record time. Like BB pirates mobilizing and attacking Revo base in less than a day.
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they still ask because thy are still nice people to answer
I answered the next break is in 2 two weeks. I don’t know what else was necessary in order to be considered nice enough.
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I don't see much of a problem with Heraclesun not arriving to Boin yet. For starters, it hasn't been few weeks, but like 11 days. We have no idea how long it took for him and Usopp to get to Shabondy. We have no idea if he stops for refreshments on each island.
Agreed on geography, though. It seems characters in NW can get wherever they need to be in a record time. Like BB pirates mobilizing and attacking Revo base in less than a day.
Well in one week by flying I imagine you can go pretty much everywhere you want to, don’t you think ? Especially since like you point out, some people manage to be quite fast by boats….
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Of course I was referring to you Kdom when I mentioned "nice people"
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The distance Hody's water shot flew was never even stated. It's also impossible for FI to be on 1 km since that'd mean that Surume would be nearly as big as the Noah, which clearly isn't true. Which Island are you even referring to? That never happened. You are aware of the existence of Sea Currents right? Currents are used to propel ships to certain destinations at greater speeds. No. As it stands, you're just a severely misinformed know-it-all who thinks he can criticise someone else's knowledge of geography while knowing fuck-all about it.
About Hody's water shot, it's been widely answered after me, so, yeah. 150 km. When Fishman Island is 10 km below the sea level. Smart from Oda. He didn't even bother to make up a new number for the volume release.
I don't understand what you mean by Surume being the size of Noah. Is that supposed to mean Surume is about 500 meters in length?
The island I'm refering to is Fishman Island. The thing can't be more than 2 km in diameter because it's just in a small hole in the red line, 10 km below sea level. If it's any bigger than 2 km, it's not a small hole. Hell, 2 km is already 1/5th of the red line's depth! And that would be the size of the hole, which is much larger than the island itself! That's why I say FI is about 1, maybe 1,5 km in diameter. That would give us at most 2 square kilometers of area for the island. 5 000 000 people divided by that area is 2,5 million people per square km. The highest population density, according to wikipedia, which is the best I care to use right now, is in Manila, at 43 THOUSAND. You still think Oda has thought about the numbers he puts in? Even considering that many Fishman lived in the sea floor instead of the Island itself, it's still ridiculous.
People travelling through Dressrosa in minutes never happened? How could Fujitora be at the colosseum and then at Green Bit and back at the colosseum so fast then? Ok, he can make his ship fly, I'll give you that. Dofla can fly too, sure. But how about the Straw Hat escape? They were in Kyros' house in the countryside, then suddenly Luffy remembers he has to go back for Rebecca and in a few minutes, while everyone else goes for the ships, he is at the very center of the country, in the palace. Then he takes Rebecca to Kyros and in another few minutes, he's at the shore with the rest of the guys. How much sense does that make in a place with various towns and countryside?
And yeah, I know about sea currents. Want an example? The eastern mediterranean flows clockwise. That's why the Arabs invading Constantinople only happened once or twice and after they failed they didn't try again. It would be like swimming against the current. Or they would take many months by going to Tunisia and then Africa and then Greece and only then the Borphorus. While the Romans/Byzantines deploying troops in Egypt or the Levant could be done in a short time (although they didn't have the troops to do that, anyway). Still, traversing half the world in ~3 months in a rather small ship is a ridiculous notion, especially when people are arguing that Alabasta is the size of freaking Australia!
So, why don't you take your head out of your ass for once and actually listen to what people are trying to show you, instead of outright insulting others with no basis?