I hope the Shogun of Wano looks like a real Samurai with 3 swords.
Chapter 822: Descending the Elephant
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Yeah, I'm not sure about her becoming a crewmate, but I do think it's very likely she'll come along for the ride.
I always want the crew to have more females, and I like diversity so I want a fishman, logia and maybe a mink. Though Chopper already fills the spot of cuddly animal. And there'd be no real need to add a dwarf, long leg, long arm or snake neck. But besides probably Jinbei I don't think Oda is adding anyone else because it's too late in the game and they have tons of allies anyway.
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Carrot is probably trying to find Cabbage, to do a Salad glutten free combo, which is Big Mom's weakness.
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@.access:
I wonder if the royal families vessels and their escorts are fit to pass through Calm Belt. This would make the Nefertari trip to wherever much MUCH faster than what we are used to.
The king of Luffy's island as well as other leaders from the Blues would be the ones to benefit from passing through the calm belt. Who knows if they have access to ships that can do it though.
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯
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A couple of interesting things that I want to share:
First off, Zunisha's leg that was badly injured due to Zack's heinous attacks was splendidly bandaged thanks to Dr Chopper.
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This may have been evident to people, but I thought I should mention it because it may not be as evident to other people as we think because this a black-&-white manga.Secondly, Nami's new weapon.
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Doesn't it remind you of Goku's Nyoibo (Power Pole,which is based on the magical staff wielded by the monkey from the classic Chinese novel Journey to the West)?!
It's pretty heartwarming to see another reference to Dragon Ball pulled off by Oda. Also, it would be cool & pretty efficient in combat to see it used in a similar way to Goku's Nyoibo.Thirdly, I have never found the opportunity to say this, but Raizou's hair reminds me of the hunter from the movie Predator.
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Even the scar on his forehead is something reminiscent of the a mark on the hunter's mask. The hunters from that story mark themselves by the blood of their prey as a 'right of passage'. Well, it may be just a coincidence, but it's better shared than kept.!
Fourthly, the Straw Hat members that are heading to rescue Sanji are the very same members that had been with Sanji & Caesar before being kidnapped by Capone: Nami, Brook, and Chopper.
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Fourthly, I don't know if you guys noticed this, but there is a Thriller-Bark allusion in this image. There's also a pandaman a little bellow Franky's right shoulder.
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On Robin's left side, there are two squirrels that resemble the Risky Brothers from Thriller Bark.!
On their left side there is a dog that strongly resembles Inuppe, the dog zombie wherein Sanji's shadows was implanted.!
Between Zoro and Robin, there is a warthog mink that resembles the zombie Lola.!
Between Franky and Kanjuro, there is a monkey that resembles Tararan, the spider monkey that was defeated by Brook at Thriller Bark.!
Finally, and most interestingly, VIVIIIII!!!! My goodness! I have never thought that Vivi will come back to the freagin story this soon. I am so darn thrilled to see this happening, and what's more, it appears she's heading with her father, Shakka & Pell.!
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Why would Vivi be heading to see Luffy? How long until the wedding? You think a boat can travel halfway across the world in 3 days? You think that a country affiliated with the WG would just happily march into the hands of human eating, nearly unbeatable, barely human monster? The Reverie references going on for for many real life years were for nothing? There is ZERO chance Vivi is going to the wedding. ZERO. Vivi was unable to properly say goodbye to the SHs because they are pirates and shes a princess and they can't be seen interacting, yet you expect her to walk right into the home of the most dangerous woman in the planet who has been shown as a complete psychopath and monster? I'll repeat myself again, there is 0 chance she's going to the wedding.
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A couple of interesting things that I want to share:
First off, Zunisha's leg that was badly injured due to Zack's heinous attacks was splendidly bandaged thanks to Dr Chopper.
! http://i.imgur.com/rXHzAZ7.png
This may have been evident to people, but I thought I should mention it because it may not be as evident to other people as we think because this a black-&-white manga.Secondly, Nami's new weapon.
! http://i.imgur.com/M37UW0A.png
Doesn't it remind you of Goku's Nyoibo (Power Pole,which is based on the magical staff wielded by the monkey from the classic Chinese novel Journey to the West)?! http://i.imgur.com/8Gf3UtK.jpg
It's pretty heartwarming to see another reference to Dragon Ball pulled off by Oda. Also, it would be cool & pretty efficient in combat to see it used in a similar way to Goku's Nyoibo.Thirdly, I have never found the opportunity to say this, but Raizou's hair reminds me of the hunter from the movie Predator.
! http://i.imgur.com/E8eq3ig.png
Even the scar on his forehead is something reminiscent of the a mark on the hunter's mask. The hunters from that story mark themselves by the blood of their prey as a 'right of passage'. Well, it may be just a coincidence, but it's better shared than kept.Fourthly, the Straw Hat members that are heading to rescue Sanji are the very same members that had been with Sanji & Caesar before being kidnapped by Capone: Nami, Brook, and Chopper.
Fourthly, I don't know if you guys noticed this, but there is a Thriller-Bark allusion in this image. There's also a pandaman a little bellow Franky's right shoulder.
! http://i.imgur.com/Fdf0JAK.png
On Robin's left side, there are two squirrels that resemble the Risky Brothers from Thriller Bark.! http://i.imgur.com/zEcqMpJ.png
On their left side there is a dog that strongly resembles Inuppe, the dog zombie wherein Sanji's shadows was implanted.! http://i.imgur.com/3r1XjbY.png
Between Zoro and Robin, there is a warthog mink that resembles the zombie Lola.! http://i.imgur.com/ARo9QDY.png
Between Franky and Kanjuro, there is a monkey that resembles Tararan, the spider monkey that was defeated by Brook at Thriller Bark.! http://i.imgur.com/XHGasCJ.png
Finally, and most interestingly, VIVIIIII!!!! My goodness! I have never thought that Vivi will come back to the freagin story this soon. I am so darn thrilled to see this happening, and what's more, it appears she's heading with her father, Shakka & Pell.! http://i.imgur.com/2CILpXv.png
Are they heading to see LUFFY or maybe to the reverie?You missed the name of reindeer girl friend that Chopper got a boner over and was his assistant when he was doing his doctor work on Zou Tristan dr chopper's assistant and future wife lol.
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I haven't been keeping up with topics to see how much this has been discussed, but I would be all for the Wano groups taking on Kaido and Luffy's taking on Big Mom. Wano's could use Zou for backup, Luffy could use the fleet. Efficient way to take out the two lesser-cared-about yonko, without having to come back and see Big Mom's ugly mug again later.
Split crews taking on Yonkou would be an intense massacre, even if they were all combined it would be.
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Live reaction to the chapter and the last 6 minutes are basically predictions for the big mom arc and a retrospect on zou.
This one is a lot smoother halfway in.
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@sanji''s_dad:
You missed the name of reindeer girl friend that Chopper got a boner over and was his assistant when he was doing his doctor work on Zou Tristan dr chopper's assistant and future wife lol.
Tristan is the squirrel mink who is also a nurse.
The reindeer assistant hasn't had her name revealed yet.FC(3DS) - 2724-4238-5489 (LZTan)
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@Bond:
Tristan is the squirrel mink who is also a nurse.
The reindeer assistant hasn't had her name revealed yet.Also that your so stiff mention was mangastream taking liberties I feel. It was mention to convey chopper being in that kind of awkward stuck kind of way
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Oh that is a Thriller Bark call back isn't it? Good eye Astropoletucus.
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯
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Oh that is a Thriller Bark call back isn't it? Good eye Astropoletucus.
Maybe a sideways foreshadow to Big mom being lola's mother, not that that's a new theory
Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:
So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?
H x H Chimera Ant Arc / OP Manga Spoiler
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Maybe a sideways foreshadow to Big mom being lola's mother, not that that's a new theory
Also maybe a foreshadow for Moriah's return? I expect him to show up when they beat Kaido.
↑Biological Weaopn of Doom and Destruction
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Reading this, I immediately thought of Daenerys saying "I'm not going to stop the wheel, I'm going to break the wheel".
I never watched Game of Thrones so that reference was lost on me, unfortunately. The quote still felt familiar, though, for some reason. Probably a popular one?
I totally agree, Luffy doesn't want to be part of the system but to break the system. But being a "Yonkou" is not a formal title, it's how people call the most powerful pirates, just like Blackbeard earned the title after killing Whitebeard.
I'm not sure if that's that. If it was just "the most powerful pirates" it could fluctuate depending on the time period, whereas the Yonkou seem to be more rigid. There's more of a logic to it than them just being powerful. Other criteria include that they have to hold sway over territories. All Yonkou seem to have been involved in the underworld (we haven't seen this of Shanks or WB, but it can be presumed they did), but that is not so much a criteria than a way for them to keep up with the news and engage in trade. Anyways, ever since the revelations about the Road Poneglyphs, I have felt like those are bound up with the reason as to why there are Yonkou in the first place, and why there are four specifically. I think it's a scenario of not knowing exactly who's holding what cards, so you don't really know how to play. That, plus the territories they hold, I feel is what separates the Yonkou system from being merely the most powerful.
Thus we can't totally dismiss the probability that Luffy will be considered as one of the Yonkou in the future, even if he won't like such a title (like it happened when he was called a "hero").
Yea I do agree, that's why I kind of softened my argument by saying that some people might consider him one (or at least say that he might be becoming one) at some point. But there won't be much space to do that, because soon after another one has to go down, and then another. By that time the system of Yonkou would already have been pretty much shattered and there would only be "prime contenders for One Piece", which you don't really have right now with the Yonkou in place. I mean, sure they are probably the prime contenders, but still fat chance with that rigid system they're in.
About the "hero" part, it does illustrate how one can get a title one didn't intend to have, but I'm not sure how far you can take the analogy, as the concept of "hero" is not dependent on any certain number of others who fit the same criteria and who make up a systemic group.
I'm gonna play devil's advocate here, and say that just like Luffy didn't ask for the SH fleet and that he was pretty much against the idea of having "underlings", he could end up being seen as a Yonko. And in theory nothing would stop him from going after other Yonko, even if he ends up being seen as a Yonko himself.
After the grudge war BB was regarded as a Yonko, but it's likely his goal is to become PK. Although we don't know the details, it might not be that BB declared himself a Yonko, and to me at least it has more to do with controlling territories. If the SHs end up having a few territories under their control then Luffy can technically be seen as a Yonko, and then there's thisinsert picture of Luffy proclaiming FI as his territory
I hope the picture is big enough this time.
You're right, though. My thing is, it took Blackbeard a year to be proper considered a Yonkou. And we all know that Luffy achieves things much faster than other people; he does things in days which takes others years (prime example: Grand Fleet). Blackbeard never head-on fought and killed a Yonkou, so that obviously might make a difference. Luffy will have more of a hand in beating Kaidou than Blackbeard did in killing Whitebeard. So that's the period of time when people might start to consider him a contender. But then he moves on, kicks more ass, and the system of the Yonkou will have dwindled down to such an extent that the Government cannot just "repair" it by coercing/tricking someone into becoming a Yonkou. (I've been imagining a situation in my head where after Kaidou's downfall, the Government will try to play Kidd or maybe someone else into taking up the open spot. The pirate, not realising that he's being given space by the Government, just pillages and fights to his heart's content and then when he is powerful and laughing, he suddenly notices that he's now in a bad position to make a move. Welcome to the world of Yonkou, brother.)
About FI, I'll admit that I didn't mention that because I'm not sure what to do with it. I've always expected Luffy to take more territories. At first, when the FI moment happened, I thought it was his first build-up toward becoming a Yonkou. Now I don't think he will become a Yonkou, but I'm not sure how to fit FI (and the other territories I see coming up) into my story. I guess he just… takes them for protection? Not to be a Yonkou? Smiley face? I don't really have anything better. He does need to increase his influence, whether he will become a Yonkou or not. Waving your flag around does kinda help with that I guess.
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But Dressrosa and Punk Hazard already ended.
It's….....my opinion time!!
Punk Hazard was cool, but I don't know it just felt a bit forced and started that stupid "Monet/Vergo is still alive" bullshit. In terms of actual content though I thought a lot of the fights was a bit underwhelming and I can't put my finger on it the closest thing I'd say I liked the story and the start of the allaince and other elements but save a few moments almost every fight was a beatdown or felt forced.
Dressrosa just dragged on to damn long. I actually really enjoy it but it feels like to me it's the "Alabasta" if you will of the 2nd half. Long and drawn out with so much happening. And in actuality, my favorite part of the arc are the last few chapters ironically enough because they tie everything together, but the road to it is a bit tiresome if entertaining.
IMO. Might not be popular.
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@le:
Also maybe a foreshadow for Moriah's return? I expect him to show up when they beat Kaido.
I want him to help beat Kaido since Kaido is like how doflamingo is to Law.
he can simply give luffy a power boost from shadows.
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Those animals being Thriller Bark references seems to me a bit far fetched. Not saying Moria won't return, but this seems like forcefully looking for hints.
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Those animals being Thriller Bark references seems to me a bit far fetched. Not saying Moria won't return, but this seems like forcefully looking for hints.
I agree since we don't need anymore hints for him to return since we know he is alive and in the new world since the invisible guy spied on the kid,hawkin,apoo alliance and reported it.
we also know that Moriah wants revenge on kaido since that was the reason he was making his zombie army.
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@$abZ:
Since Saboady One Piece has been very hectic. Apart from that small stint at Amazon Lily, there's been no real breathing room. Impel Down, the War, Fishmen Island, Punk Hazard and Dressrosa - the Straw Hats haven't had too much time to enjoy some peace together and to rethink their mission to reach Raftel. Zou has been a very refreshing arc that has taken a leap in the overall story of OP. The interactions between the crew has been classic One Piece stuff… it reminds me of the simpler times back before Water 7. I said it last week, or the week before, that Zou is parallel to the Jaya Arc in terms of its purpose and the general feel about it. Now the adventure really starts. I doubt we'll see the Reverie in the next few chapters seen as Vivi is only just setting off from Alabasta. Either Oda will fast track to the Reverie in the next chapter or wait until the point he switches the story from Luffy's team to Kinemon's team or back to Zou.
What are the chances of Blackbeard interrupting the Reverie meeting? It's the type of shit he'd do, but there'll have to be an ulterior motive for him. Either way I think something big is going to happen at the Reverie. Something including the whole Blackbeard/ Aokiji sub plot, which I think Dragon may be involved in. Those frozen level 6 prisoners on Punk Hazard, maybe we'll see them set free. One thing's for sure, the meeting is set up for Vivi to get some revenge on that idiot Wapol, give him a bitch slap.
It'll be a few years for the next adventure to finish. It took so long to defeat Donflamingo, now the target is Kaidou & Big Mom. There are so many roads the plot could take from now on, Oda really knows how to create multiple plotlines in a short time.
Awesome analysis. Agree 100%.
Zou really is where things have settled down and has offered the crew a moment to reflect and react to their situation. So many great plotlines to explore, One Piece continues to be amazing.
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Those animals being Thriller Bark references seems to me a bit far fetched. Not saying Moria won't return, but this seems like forcefully looking for hints.
I don't think it has to be any hint of Moriah's return. His return has been foreshadowed enough as it is. But it seems clearly a reference to the Thriller Bark animal zombies, though. The dog, the squirrels, the warthog… too many similar faces to be a coincidence. Oda decided to draw a bunch of animals similar to the zombies back then, that's all.
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A couple of interesting things that I want to share:
…Good eye. I haven't noticed pandaman.
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Such an awesome chapter, and arc as well. The SH taking a moment before jumping off (literally) again was a welcome sight. In the process, new mysteries have been added, new clashes set up, and old friends have been reintroduced. Looking forward to the next place the story takes us.
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I don't think it has to be any hint of Moriah's return. His return has been foreshadowed enough as it is. But it seems clearly a reference to the Thriller Bark animal zombies, though. The dog, the squirrels, the warthog… too many similar faces to be a coincidence. Oda decided to draw a bunch of animals similar to the zombies back then, that's all.
maybe it's on the lola side of thriller bark
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Regarding me (and lotsa other people) freaking out over the return of vivi, are there other sidecharacters who would create as much of a reaction from fans? Not talking about villains and Shichibukai though, as people also freaked out over Lucci, and I will definitely be super hyped when/if Enel returns, but reacting over supporting characters.
Would people react like that if, say, Conis reappears? Or Johnny and Yosaku? Lola? Gin? Rebecca, Kyros or Viola (in 10 years)? I certainly didn't freak out over the return of Hatchi (but I still like him), and seriously disliked Bellamy's return from start to finish. And while I certainly loved the very short return of perona, none of them seem to be on the same level as Vivi, at least to me.
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It's hella cool to see Vivi evolve from this normal adventure girl to a Queen and a major political force in the World Government. The Strawhats' influence on her planted a seed that's gonna cause some major changes to the world! That and all the other major political figures….man Reverie looks to be super exciting.
So who do you think will show up?
There should be Vivi, Riku, Elizabello, Neptune, Dalton....am I missing someone? Maybe Hancock and Iceburg?
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It's hella cool to see Vivi evolve from this normal adventure girl to a Queen and a major political force in the World Government. The Strawhats' influence on her planted a seed that's gonna cause some major changes to the world! That and all the other major political figures….man Reverie looks to be super exciting.
So who do you think will show up?
There should be Vivi, Riku, Elizabello, Neptune, Dalton....am I missing someone? Maybe Hancock and Iceburg?
Hancock definitely, because when/if Issho shows up and wants to discuss the end of the Shichibukai System, there should at least be one Shichibukai around.
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Regarding me (and lotsa other people) freaking out over the return of vivi, are there other sidecharacters who would create as much of a reaction from fans? Not talking about villains and Shichibukai though, as people also freaked out over Lucci, and I will definitely be super hyped when/if Enel returns, but reacting over supporting characters.
Would people react like that if, say, Conis reappears? Or Johnny and Yosaku? Lola? Gin? Rebecca, Kyros or Viola (in 10 years)? I certainly didn't freak out over the return of Hatchi (but I still like him), and seriously disliked Bellamy's return from start to finish. And while I certainly loved the very short return of perona, none of them seem to be on the same level as Vivi, at least to me.
I know someone who would freak out if Gin came back. I would too because I always tell her that Gin is never going to come back and that she'll have to deal with it. If he does come back I won't be able to tease her anymore.
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I never watched Game of Thrones so that reference was lost on me, unfortunately. The quote still felt familiar, though, for some reason. Probably a popular one?
It's a long story but basically it's the same as you said, that Luffy wouldn't want to be part of the system and that he'd rather took it down, just like Dany wants to take down the system in Westeros.
You're right, though. My thing is, it took Blackbeard a year to be proper considered a Yonkou. And we all know that Luffy achieves things much faster than other people; he does things in days which takes others years (prime example: Grand Fleet). Blackbeard never head-on fought and killed a Yonkou, so that obviously might make a difference. Luffy will have more of a hand in beating Kaidou than Blackbeard did in killing Whitebeard. So that's the period of time when people might start to consider him a contender. But then he moves on, kicks more ass, and the system of the Yonkou will have dwindled down to such an extent that the Government cannot just "repair" it by coercing/tricking someone into becoming a Yonkou. (I've been imagining a situation in my head where after Kaidou's downfall, the Government will try to play Kidd or maybe someone else into taking up the open spot. The pirate, not realising that he's being given space by the Government, just pillages and fights to his heart's content and then when he is powerful and laughing, he suddenly notices that he's now in a bad position to make a move. Welcome to the world of Yonkou, brother.)
About FI, I'll admit that I didn't mention that because I'm not sure what to do with it. I've always expected Luffy to take more territories. At first, when the FI moment happened, I thought it was his first build-up toward becoming a Yonkou. Now I don't think he will become a Yonkou, but I'm not sure how to fit FI (and the other territories I see coming up) into my story. I guess he just… takes them for protection? Not to be a Yonkou? Smiley face? I don't really have anything better. He does need to increase his influence, whether he will become a Yonkou or not. Waving your flag around does kinda help with that I guess.
I totally agree that it would be out of character for him to want to become Yonko, but I don't think he has much control over it if it's the others who see him like that, mainly the WG.And if it gets known to them that his goal is to take down Kaido, and he succeeds to the WG it will look like Luffy is aiming at becoming a Yonko himself. And yes it's not easy to be considered one, I find it odd that BB was only considered one after he beat Marco and the rest of the WB pirates, not right after he killed WB. So maybe what it really takes to be a Yonko is taking down another one with his crew, and it just so happens that this is what is going to happen on Wano.
Then of course there's the territories, I see FI becoming Luffy's territory, and that pretty much excludes him forming an alliance with BM.Unless she decides out of her kind heart to betow it to him, which would be rather weird tbh. Then we have potentially Zou which could decide to come under the SHs protection, maybe because of the debt they have towards the SHs but more importantly they might be in danger because of the Road Poneglyph that is there.Imagine BB finding out about it and coming to Zou. That could be a strong reason for Luffy to declare Zou his territory after he beat Kaido of course. But in general Luffy's strength is that he's able to make allies, and he has helped or is helping 4 kingdoms ever since they entered the NW, some of which like Fishman Island's really need protection from pirates. Luffy will make a name for himself after defeating a Yonko, which will make him feared, so that could dissuade anyone who tries to mess with his "turf".I'm just trying to think of another scenario other than the obvious one. Oda can be rather unpredictable, as seen lately. So even though I also believe that Luffy has no intention of becoming Yonko, I can see it fitting rather well into the story. Because who would take Kaido's spot? And I don't think the WG has a say in it, and Luffy is prolly the prominent figure of the SH alliance, he's the one who will end up beating a Yonko one way or another(with help). So it wouldn't be weird if he could end up being regarded as one, so unless he declares to the whole world that he's not one, I don't think he has much control over it.
And it's possible that after this there will be no more Yonko, so there would be no need for Luffy or someone else to be seen as one, and as seen with BB it takes more time than we might think. So I guess it's up in the air, whether he becomes one or not. -
Regarding me (and lotsa other people) freaking out over the return of vivi, are there other sidecharacters who would create as much of a reaction from fans? Not talking about villains and Shichibukai though, as people also freaked out over Lucci, and I will definitely be super hyped when/if Enel returns, but reacting over supporting characters.
Would people react like that if, say, Conis reappears? Or Johnny and Yosaku? Lola? Gin? Rebecca, Kyros or Viola (in 10 years)? I certainly didn't freak out over the return of Hatchi (but I still like him), and seriously disliked Bellamy's return from start to finish. And while I certainly loved the very short return of perona, none of them seem to be on the same level as Vivi, at least to me.
I don't care much for Vivi because her hanging back and being a princess left me disappointed a decade ago, I've always loved her duck pet though :ninja:
Side characters that get me hyped: Rayleigh, Hancock, Bon Clay, Coby, Marguerite, Mihawk, Kuzan (are these last two villains?)
Year of Sanji, let's go!
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Luffy doesn't care about these things, other people decide on these things for him. Like some people think he's an 8-meter tall giant, or how the fleet captains declared their allegiance on their own. If people want to follow, or admire, or despise him- that's their problem, he'll continue doing whatever he wants lol. So I don't think he'll explicitly take any territories, and he doesn't care about being a yonko- he wants to be pirate king, nothing else. FI might raise his flag, because they know they can rely on him when in trouble, but it'll be their decision to make.
Regarding me (and lotsa other people) freaking out over the return of vivi, are there other sidecharacters who would create as much of a reaction from fans? Not talking about villains and Shichibukai though, as people also freaked out over Lucci, and I will definitely be super hyped when/if Enel returns, but reacting over supporting characters.
Would people react like that if, say, Conis reappears? Or Johnny and Yosaku? Lola? Gin? Rebecca, Kyros or Viola (in 10 years)? I certainly didn't freak out over the return of Hatchi (but I still like him), and seriously disliked Bellamy's return from start to finish. And while I certainly loved the very short return of perona, none of them seem to be on the same level as Vivi, at least to me.
It'll be cool if and when they show up, but Vivi is another thing, because she's a honorary strawhat.
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I don't care much for Vivi because her hanging back and being a princess left me disappointed a decade ago, I've always loved her duck pet though :ninja:
Side characters that get me hyped: Rayleigh, Hancock, Bon Clay, Coby, Marguerite, Mihawk, Kuzan (are these last two villains?)
vivi was fine to have around since her mission was just to save her kingdom which was her dream so she had no reason to hang around after that i can see her kingdoms troops helping out the straw hat alliance though later on after the 170 nations meet.
vivi was better than rebecca which is funny since vivi is from the first half of the grand line while rebecca is from the second half the new world lol.
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I'd be pretty hyped about Gin tbh.
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We agree on most parts: that Luffy doesn't want to be a Yonkou, mainly. I'm not using that as justification. My main point is that Luffy won't have much time to be considered a Yonkou or a contender to be a Yonkou by the world, because after Kaidou falls the gap can't be filled, the system needs to be disintegrated entirely. A gap that the government would like to fill, but which cannot work out for the story to progress. Luffy might be seen by the world as one of the strongest people in the NW and as a real contender to reach Raftel, and they might still call him an emperor of some kind because they are familiar with that terminology. But with the rigidity, logic and structure behind the Yonkou, Luffy cannot become one. Because at that point, he'll be stuck in a power dynamic that won't allow him to move.
I'll try to expand on this as best as I can, I know I've said it before in one sentence, but I'm not sure if I've entirely gotten my reasoning across. The reason none of the pirates can progress is because of the Yonkou. The reason none of the Yonkou are progressing is because the others have the other Road Poneglyphs and they keep a constant watch on another. Have you ever played the board game Risk? You take territories in the world and try to capture someone else's "base" which they've hidden in one country. Now to make this analogy work, say there are 4 players, each having a base (not each Yonkou has a Road Poneglyph, the "base" in this analogy, but they probably don't know exactly who has what so anything goes in their minds). If one player puts out all their resources to capture someone's base, they'll be both exhausted of troups and become a prime target, because now everyone knows they have 2 bases (or, at least 1 RP, in OP terms). You don't want that. So everyone goes about it carefully, creating more armies and strategising.
I think we can see it in the same terms in the Yonkou system. If someone makes a move (captures someone's Road Poneglyph) they run a heavy risk of getting everyone on their ass. There might even be an alliance between two of the remaining Yonkou to take that person down. Nobody wants that. So none of the Yonkou can move. To bring this back to Luffy: yes, he will take down Kaidou, and that will leave an open spot. But the Government and the other Yonkou know that that spot can be filled and they'll be back to the system of old. If Luffy were to proper fill that spot, take over territories, and sit on his RP like a mother chicken on her egg, the other three Yonkou will have their eyes on him (Shanks is friendly with Luffy but that doesn't help sufficiently). Luffy won't get himself caught in that position, although someone else might. And the Government probably knows that about him; he won't let it happen.
So yes, the world might think that Luffy may take up the Yonkou spot, but for the story to progress it can't really happen. Even if some people call him one in their minds he won't really be one according to what a proper Yonkou is (in my mind, at least). Plus, not a whole lot of people would probably even consider him a Yonkou. It would be odd, considering how fast the Straw Hats move and have always moved. Not enough time should pass for the world to consider him one, although of course, as I said before, the world will see him as a prime contender, and might briefly use the term familiar to them before it's really all broken down.
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I would love Gin to return as well. Also, I actually enjoy when the strawhats and current allies form smaller groups that go to different places, as it tends to give more focus to other characters, whereas if all the strawhats+allies stuck together on every chapter, they´d have about one panel of screentime each, if, and being reduced to their quirks whenever they contribute with a comment.
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I agree on the first part, but not on the second. I agree that the balance of power must be maintained, and that pretty much everyone wants that, even the WG. But isn't that exactly why having another Yonko is useful?Logically speaking the WG would want such a thing. And since when was it a problem for Luffy to have the other Yonko come after him? He said himself that he would take down all 4 of them, that may or may not happen, but what matters is that he's not afraid of them. And because of the balance of power being something fragile, I doubt they'll decide to make a move without thinking it through. Let's say BM decides to go after Luffy, that could leave her open to BB coming after her Road Poneglyph, and from the looks of it Luffy will have to go after the Road Poneglyphs either way, and to be more precise their copies. So he's bound to break that balance anyway.
And then there's BB, we can bet he'll do something once he learns of the Road Poneglyphs, if that's not already the case. If he does then we could see him also go after other Yonko.And I really don't agree that the story can't move forward. Luffy is going to gather all the copies of the Road Poneglyphs, so he's bound to go after the Yonko. Now more than ever he has a reason to go after them, a very good one. The last RP could be in Shanks' possession for all we know. So I really don't get what makes you think the story cannot progress. Luffy's goal doesn't contradict with him getting the position of Yonko, they're not forced to sit like ducks while waiting for something to happen, and obviously it is needless to say that he better than anyone is able to gather the copies and decipher them. It's not just a matter of having the RP, the Yonko could not advance because they didn't know how to decipher them, which is why Kaido went all the way to Wano to find Oden. Luffy has Robin for that.So he should succeed where all the Yonko before him have failed, so there's no reason for us to see the story come to a halt because he ended up being called a Yonko. The story will be driven from now on by the quest for finding the Road Poneglyphs.
Again to me it's not something that he himself wants, but others could end up seeing him as one, but of course the story is not going to end so soon, so there's plenty of time imo to see him being called that. Even though we now know how they can reach Raftel, there's a long way to go before actually seeing them do that.
Lol well this is a lot of talk about some very unlikely scenario, that originated from a joke at that. Let's just call it a day.
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maybe it's on the lola side of thriller bark
edward peebles is a moria zombie lol why people is so blind?
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Oh, Reverie time finally. It's hard to bond it, but i would love if it's presented Vegapunk on it.
Good transition chapter, i pressume a shortcut reaching Cake Island is going to happen while the Reverie is conducted.
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hoping zoro upgrades the sword he got off ryuma while he's in wano. someone wielding that sword that would test zoro to his limit. need to see what zoro's about these days.
seeing that last page made me happy. ty oda-senpai.
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I have a strange feeling that while everyone is gone, Jack is going to come back and terrorize Momo into making that elephant a weapon. We all know Oda doesn't like to kill off characters, and this would be the perfect time to show the terror of Kaidou, with Jack marching in on the back of an over-powered elephant.
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I'm predicting really that Zou kidnaps Momo, and controls the elephant, or really Jack terrorizes the Zou people, and kills of Inu.
Also in my review I suggested that Pedro could be in cahoots with the underground/yonkou party. Don't know if that is popular here or not.
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I think Kaidou himself will show up at Wano, Kill Zounisha and kidnapp Momonosuke.
C'mon, world's strongest creature vs world's biggest creature hype!
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Why killing Zunisha? If Kaido captures Momo he can control it.
“As I stand out here in the wonders of the unknown at Hadley, I sort of realize there’s a fundamental truth to our nature: Man must explore!” – David Scott, Moon
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Should Nekomamushi really be the one sent to find Marco?
http://images.emagazine.com/sized/images/earthtalk/EarthTalkCatsBirds-250x374.jpgWould you prefer Inuarashi?
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Why killing Zunisha? If Kaido captures Momo he can control it.
he has no way to know that anyway
until a couple of chapters ago,even momonosuke didn't know
BUT,kaido vs zunisha is still not happening
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BUT,kaido vs zunisha is still not happening
Why not? Jack is proof that his subordinates can't handle it, and it's unlikely that the ninja-samurais-minks-pirates won't use such a ''weapon'' if they have it.
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Chances are Kaido would find his desired death if he fought against Zunisha.
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