I just want a boss fight with Dr. Facilier. And Lighting-nort.
Kingdom Hearts 3
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This is our only chance left to see Lightning in a good game :wub:
Oh yeah, the FF representation. Lightning definitely seems like a possibility. I wonder if Cloud, Leon, Yuffie, Tifa, Cid, and Aerith will still appear.
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This is our only chance left to see Lightning in a good game :wub:
Wasn't Dissidia a good game?
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I might've cared 10 years ago, but years of cynicism and increasing awareness of the storys ridiculousness has deflated my hype completely. Boss fights against Facilier, King Candy and Ratigan are just about the only things that could drag me back in.
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@Daz:
Ithe storys ridiculousness
I feel ya, Daz. In my opinion:
! KH1 - very tightly told story, with slight vague mysteries. gets really intense at Hollow Bastion. Sora's nativity and seeing the worlds for the first time mirrors that of the player. You want to save Kairi, find Mickey, stop Riku's corruption, etc.
! Chain of Memories - unknown elements, mysterious, makes you want to keep going through the castle
! KHII - introduced a lot of confusing and overcomplicated plot elements, and here Nomura decided that after, forward was too boring to move as a story. But it did have some great memorable scenes.
! Re: Coded - half KH1 abridged, half "let's add in virtual reality and computer data to this mess!"
! 358/2 Days - does a good job developing Roxas and Axel, CoM members get thrown under the bus, and I found the whole Xion thing to at least be enduring as a "friend to Roxas" situation. But throwing in a 14th member was not needed at all. Timeframe gets a little wonky.
! Birth of Sleep - haven't played this one, but….it does give backstory to some org. members and sheds more light (pun intended) to the keyblade stuff I guess? Although you may scratch your head at Ventus/Vantas (uh, dark Sora)
! Dream Drop Distance - where do I even start. Here the Organization bleeds a little too much into Sora and Riku's ascension (although why Sora of all people needs to take an exam to wield the key he's saved the universe with, I don't know). Time travel is a dangerous thing to use in a video game, and this series, complete with its combining of psuedo-science and feeling-metaphysics, was NOT the prime candidate for it.
! I've always wondered what's beyond the gate after KH3, the game Nomura described as the conclusion to the "Xenahort" arc. Who on earth could possibly be the villain of this series? It's similar to Aizen of Bleach - when your villain sticks around for a very very long time, has ties to every major event in your world, and the hero has to pull all of the stops to beat him (more than ONCE), can you even…continue? -
I forgive DDD's plot because it made Xigbar important.
Xigbar rules.
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Eyepatch ponytail sniper is pretty cool.
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The original KHs story, boiled down, amounts to: go find your friends and discover that Bad Guys want to get ultimate darkness power and to cover land in darkness because darkness is teh best, so go stop that with the Power of Light and friendship. Thats fine. I can get behind that.
In the subsequent games it all becomes so very muddled that they end up having no tangible stakes for me to get invested in.
Like, CoM has a mysterious new organization thats interesting at first, only the game ends with you fighting a mid-tier member, who wants to use Sora to take over the organization, in some unspecified way, and you still don't really know what the organization is, what it wants, or what the hell Marluxia wants to do with it, and its all such an anticlimax.
Even when the organization takes center stage in KHII, Xemnas is insufferably boring, and his ultimate plan of becoming human again does nothing to convince you that the final battle is over something important, something to give a shit about preventing. KH is about Ansem being about to cover the universe in Darkness Mwahaha, KHII is about not letting some emotionless dude "mess up our worlds". The fact that 3xx/yy Days gave Xemnas a journal entry where he went "when I become human again my REAL plan begins, for reals guys, and its probably gonna be really bad even, so its good I get beaten later on!" doesn't help.
Days itself suffers from a story that is a complete flatline, content with letting its Midquel-status translate to doing nothing but jogging awkwardly in place, until it ends with another anticlimax. It feels like a collection of footnotes, not some self-contained story about an adventure Roxas had in the organization, that led to him leaving.
Coded I gave up on, and 3D I need another console to play, but I am still tempted to try out BBS now that its been rereleased.
Also, the games have a habit of making things needlessly convoluted, by having everything be connected to everything else. Like, a new character will show up, only he's the Unversed memory of Soras Nobodys clone from the future, so he looks more like Roxas, I mean Ventus if his hair was a slightly different color. Instead of moving forward organically with new developments, the series has been basically cannibalizing itself and its mythology ever since the first game, complete with 5 visits to Agrabah over 7 games.
Its a shame, the games have an amazing premise, great aesthetic, fun gameplay, and killer production values, but its just marinated in the most terrible, sloppily utilized tropes of AniManga storytelling
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Yeah I love Xigbar too, he's a pretty cool guy. I really like BBS because we get old man Xehonart voiced by Leonard Nimoy who has such a great design and such a great voice I'm really going to miss him. Also we get Aqua who is the only keyblade master with any sense. Plus she's cute.
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@Daz:
Also, the games have a habit of making things needlessly convoluted, by having everything be connected to everything else. Like, a new character will show up, only he's the Unversed memory of Soras Nobodys clone from the future, so he looks more like Roxas, I mean Ventus if his hair was a slightly different color. Instead of moving forward organically with new developments, the series has been basically cannibalizing itself and its mythology ever since the first game,
Definitely agreed, and this was a side product of the series moving back and to the side after KHII, opposed to continuing forward. Almost to say "wait, here's XYZ!"
It kinda hurts the first few games (when the lore was smaller) when the series moves to overexplain and tie in everything. DDD and Birth by Sleep retroactively affect the events of KH1, and I don't think it was in the best of ways. A shame, because KH1 has my favorite plot of all of the games.
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Also we get Aqua who is the only keyblade master with any sense. Plus she's cute.
Must… resist.. urge... to disagree... vigorously.
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I just want gummiships. Thats the only part of the games I really like. (i've only played the first two… and I gave up on 2 after Mermaid and around Mulan's world.)
And also for the companions you meet in the worlds to be able to travel with you, so you can actually mix/match your party, rather than just temporarily filling a slot and getting no interesting dynamics between universes. (And in the first game since they ate exp, it was actually a sum negative to have an alt character in your party instead of Goofy and Donald at all times.) How would Aladdin interact with Mulan is far more interesting to me tan how everyone generically accepts and non-reacts to Goofy and Donald, even when they're all-human worlds.
I want Stich as playable, not just summon.
I want Robin Hood.
And to whoever wanted Miyazaki world... go play Nino Kuni.
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And to whoever wanted Miyazaki world… go play Nino Kuni.
Best Miyazaki is Spirited Away
man, if that was a world in Kingdom Hearts….
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@Rogues':
Best Miyazaki is Spirited Away
That's not how you spell "Cagliostro".
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Xigbar and Luxord are both cool. I could care less about everyone else.
Never played the first game and only about half (?) way through KHII, about to the 1000 Heartless battle I think. Didn't have a PSP for BBS either but it looked good outside of playing the thing three times.
Chain of Memories is pretty good, it just has a quirky battle system and goes a bit too heavy on the mystery. Watching Axel troll the crap out of the rest of the members there is a complete joy, and playing as Riku is fun.
358/2 Days looks pretty for the time it was. Its best features are watching the interactions between Roxas and the members who miss him in KHII and being able to play as one of 19 different characters in multilayer mode. Unfortunately the missions themselves are tedious, the plot is both glacial and thin, and there's very little integration between the two.
Re:coded is garbage outside of one or two interesting tweaks, which isn't surprising considering it was adapted from a cell phone game. Oh, and it does literally nothing for the plot.
3D is a ton of fun and looks fantastic. Though it's short, it features several unique worlds (Symphony of Sorcery is gorgeous and has classical music. It wins hands down) and features a surprisingly competent AI for the cute looking Dream Eaters. Though it doesn't do a lot for the plot it still sets up the villain group for KHII pretty well. Plus, RIKU saves the day. Yeah, that's right, fuck you Sora.
100%ing the game is a bitch though since you have to train everyone.
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That's not how you spell "Cagliostro".
Do americans spell Cagliostro like "Cah - Lee - Ostro", or "Cah - Yee - Ostro" or "Cagliostro"? Just curious
Anyway, in general thanks to Kingdom Hearts i puke at the sight of Agrabah in any shape or form now so i don't want the same to happen to Miyazaki's movies
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Do americans spell Cagliostro like "Cah - Lee - Ostro", or "Cah - Yee - Ostro" or "Cagliostro"? Just curious
I dunno, I never watch the dub. I pronounce it Cahg-lee-ohs-trou, but I imagine thats wrong.
But its spelled the way I just spelled it. The Castle of Cagliostro.
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I just want gummiships. Thats the only part of the games I really like. (i've only played the first two… and I gave up on 2 after Mermaid and around Mulan's world.)
Funny, that's the part that most people ignore. But, to be fair, I guess somebody has to make Star Fox games.
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Funny, that's the part that most people ignore. But, to be fair, I guess somebody has to make Star Fox games.
KH1 gummi sections were extremely dull and you never sat through them once you got the warp drive. KHII gummi missions were pretty solid and had a lot of replay value with how much customization it had and the sweet incentives for doing better with better weapons and parts. I always hated the free camera missions since I'm not that good at splitting my attention in all 4 directions. Other than that I highly enjoyed doing them and building tons of super ships. (Radical Highway best mission/Best music)
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Never played the first game and only about half (?) way through KHII, about to the 1000 Heartless battle I think. Didn't have a PSP for BBS either but it looked good outside of playing the thing three times.
After this 1000 heartless fight you revisit each world with a new story. So it is indeed halfway through the game.
By the way, this is kind of the same concept for BBS. You revisit each world 3 times, with 3 characters and 3 stories. You don't play the same game 3 times. The only elements shared by the 3 characters are the mini-game. -
The series has been experimenting with multiple protagonist perspectives for a while now, but BBS was the only one that both split them up and made them all fit together. The playstyles for each of the three is different too to increase diversity, right? I would definitely play all three stories but from what I've heard none of them is really complete on their own.
On the other hand, DDD's drop system irritated a lot of people who were bad at planning. Seems like the natural balance between the two styles would be to split up switches by areas or story progression, not time or full completion.
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And also for the companions you meet in the worlds to be able to travel with you, so you can actually mix/match your party, rather than just temporarily filling a slot and getting no interesting dynamics between universes. (And in the first game since they ate exp, it was actually a sum negative to have an alt character in your party instead of Goofy and Donald at all times.) How would Aladdin interact with Mulan is far more interesting to me tan how everyone generically accepts and non-reacts to Goofy and Donald, even when they're all-human worlds.
Same here. When Genie joined the crew in KH1, I was expecting him to appear from time to time to make silly jokes. Instead….
Alladin: "I wish to make you free! Now that you are free, can you go with Sora to save Jasmine ?"
Game: "You won the Genie summon, he will remain in your pocket for the rest of his life. He will get out only during fights. He will never talk to another character again, including Jasmine"--- Update From New Post Merge ---
The series has been experimenting with multiple protagonist perspectives for a while now, but BBS was the only one that both split them up and made them all fit together. The playstyles for each of the three is different too to increase diversity, right? I would definitely play all three stories but from what I've heard none of them is really complete on their own.
Indeed, Terra leaves each world without giving a fuck about the characters that are still in danger. On the other hand, Aqua only sees the resolution, not the origin of the issues. You miss a lot if you play the 3 stories one after an other.
The best way to enjoy the scenario (IMO) is to follow the official timeline.!
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I like how in the 2nd half of Ventus' Story the main focus is making more friends.
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Xigbar and Luxord are both cool. I could care less about everyone else.
Respect for throwing in Luxord. I loved his power, voice, and overall, wished he had more to do with the plot. He seemed like a throwaway in the final string of Organization fights.
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! Am I the only one who disapproves Lea being a Keyblade Wielder?
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One of the main restrictions that Disney put on kingdom hearts being made is to keep the worlds as isolated as possible, only letting certain characters move around and interact beyond the main trio.
Hell, the princesses are just exposition, and while there are Disney characters in the hub worlds, they never address themselves.
Besides, I don't trust squeenix to handle these kind of things. And realistically changing that would most likely amount to a catchphrase when addressed in the world.
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One of the main restrictions that Disney put on kingdom hearts being made is to keep the worlds as isolated as possible, only letting certain characters move around and interact beyond the main trio.
Too bad it's not like a House of Mouse situation. That'd be fun.
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! Am I the only one who disapproves Lea being a Keyblade Wielder?
I agree. Immensely.
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! Am I the only one who disapproves Lea being a Keyblade Wielder?
I don't disapprove but i do find it kind of forced.
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! Am I the only one who disapproves Lea being a Keyblade Wielder?
I love him to death but I kind of hope he dies in KHIII. They're overusing him and his catchphrase.
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I think tons of people, if not everyone, want Robin Hood. Including myself.
and me. i've been wanting it since KH2.
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and me. i've been wanting it since KH2.
I sometimes wonder if the only reason they haven't included it is because it's not one of their most successful movies. It's one of their B-level animated canons.
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Yeah, the 70's-80's films tend to be ignored all around. All the post-Walt stuff before the Renaissance has a hard time. Aristocats, Robin Hood, Rescuers, Fox and the Hound, Black Cauldron, Great Mouse Detective, Oliver & Company, and Rescuers 2 all tend to get pretty ignored. (And yes, Rescuers 2 came after Mermaid, but it's very consistently treated as if it came out the year before so that Mermaid, Beast, Aladdin and Lion King can all be mentioned together.) Of the lot, WInnie the Pooh is the only one that gets traction… and that mostly because it became a mega media tv series toyline sort of thing, its not even so much the movie that gets thought of as much as the tv series.
Most of the 40's stuff between Bambi and Cinderella gets ignored too... given that they're mostly compilation films from during the war. Saludos Amigos,
The Three Caballeros, Make Mine Music, Fun and Fancy Free, Melody Time and The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad.Also, everying from the 00's aside from Lilo and Stitch and EMporer's New Groove. Disney has bad decades here and there. (But the 00's had a ton of Pixar output.)
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I thought of something this morning. Why isn't there any chocobo ride in KH ?
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So i heard that Pride lands and Halloween town are confirmed not to return in Kingdom Hearts 3
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That's a huge shame regarding The Pride Lands. I feel it could get at least one more unique variation before being put to rest.
Halloween Town on the other hand… while a fun world, is fine to be put to rest.
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I imagine the worlds with a Princess of Heart are more likely to return. So that means Aladdin 3 stuff, I guess.
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actually, i heard that was disapproved. at least half of it.
but personally i take this with a grain of salt.
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So i heard that Pride lands and Halloween town are confirmed not to return in Kingdom Hearts 3
Honestly Halloween town has been milked bone dry. They really need to let it RIP.
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But I always like seeing Jack . . . . . .
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But I always like seeing Jack . . . . . .
Arguably, he's the most powerful guest party member in both games since he has advanced magic right off the bat and his limit is one of the most damaging. Not to mention his insane reach and MP stat, so it'd be a huge blow on that regard. Still, what else is there to do there when its been in almost every game.
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It's always strange to me whenever party members becomes a thing worth talking about in KH games. There's obviously synegy with someone like say… Goofy, and that's because of his one skill that trades one of is MP bars to give you three bars. But outside that, Sora is plenty overpowered to the point where it feels like I never see other party members at all. Especially in KH2.
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But I always like seeing Jack . . . . . .
! ![](http://www.gamexplain.com/storyimages/1345047023Jack Sparrow.jpg)
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They talked about a long game. I wonder if there will be more than 13 worlds, like the other games.
I don't want to see Agrabah and Halloween Town take those precious spots.
However, I don't know yet if I'm glad or bothered to see Olympus Colosseum again. This world has always been associated with a badass FF character. This might be pretty cool once again. -
Olympus Colosseum is always fun to go to because it's one of the few worlds where they don't just follow the movie plots. Also I need Phil to call the gang full fledged heroes in KH3.
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Olympus Colosseum is always fun to go to because it's one of the few worlds where they don't just follow the movie plots. Also I need Phil to call the gang full fledged heroes in KH3.
I miss so much Danny DeVito.
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This world has always been associated with a badass FF character.
There's only one character that deserves an HD coliseum fight:
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You already know it's going to be Lightning.
We've had edgy Advent children Cloud in KH1, Black hair Crisis Core 'Cloud' with Birth by sleep. Now we will get Female 'Cloud' in KH3.
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You already know it's going to be Lightning.
We've had edgy Advent children Cloud in KH1, Black hair Crisis Core 'Cloud' with Birth by sleep. Now we will get Female 'Cloud' in KH3.
Cloud is a Zack cosplayer, NOT the other way around.