Chapter 795: Suicide
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Indeed, Diamante's power was very unique, but he went out like a complete whimp. I feel like Dellinger and Gladius however, provided some real tension in their battles. Dellinger took out 4 of the dudes from the arena and Gladius were fighting Bart and Cabbage at the same time, he could have defeated them and even killed them, since they weren't main characters.
Dellinger and Gladius did.. but for Dellinger, he was one shotted by Hakuba. I'll give you Gladius though, I forgot about him! Yeesh..that fight was so good and featured Bart. I feel bad for forgetting lol
Zoro's fight didn't end on the first clash because he didn't know how Pica's ability worked. Also the first time Pica was only trying to keep people from reaching the area Doffy was at. So he was being more evasive rather than purposely trying to have a 1v1 with Zoro. Zoro spent time trying to goad him into fighting himself rather than letting Pica attack his allies.
That also didn't make sense. His ability was very straightforward. I figured it out the second we ever saw it. I felt Zoro had a moment of being slower than he should be just for the sake of having an excuse for a slow start… but even then, that was the start. Doesn't explain why the whole thing dragged. It was implied that Pica was scheming something and Zoro was purposely not attacking at one point but I don't recall anything ever coming of that. Was a really boring fight. I was hoping this would be the first time since the timeskip that we'd have a moment where all the Strawhats truly get to shine in battle. When some got sent on a bus away from the arc to speak (the sunny), I accepted it as necessary to feature thr future Strawhat allies having glory in battle...to set up Luffy having allies like Whitebeard did in Marineford arc. But even then I wanted to see Luffy, Zoro, Usopp, Franky and Robin shine. Imo, Zoro and Robin...didn't.
@Saduj:I can justify it, you just have extremely bad reading comprehension. Zoro stated several times he didn't know how to damage Pica, and took several chapters fighting him to take him down, your post makes me question whether you even read the speech bubbles, a hard fight doesn't mean Zoro has to get hurt, Pica almost killed Riku, Usopp and co, and you say no real threat? And about the other officers, it seems like you can't tell the difference between difficulty and length if you think this was the same to Fishman Island.
You preech to me about reading comprehension…yet you missed the part where I said that he was no real threat to Zoro. I didn't say he couldn't harm anybody. That would be stupid. He's very powerful and can affect the landscape itself...it just so happens he's a chump compared to Zoro, clearly. I could read just fine buddy.
My complaint here with Fishman Island has nothing to do with length. Yes, it was long and dragged out alot...but that's not what I'm talking about. In this case, it's weak opponents leading to a lack of any sort of dramatic tension on if the Strawhats will win or not. They were easy opponents. We knew who'd win, we just had to wait for them to do so.
@kevo_koma:I think he's right about Zoro and Pica, all Zoro needed to do was find a way to hurt Pica, otherwise to him, Pica wasn't a threat. If I'm not mistaken I think that even Zoro commented on how relatively unscathed he was after the fight. Anyone who has ever given Zoro a run for his money before has made him bleed, excessively or otherwise but Pica barely scratched him.
Also you have to remember that alot of people are still waiting for the next Enies Lobby..which was very action packed. We haven't had something like that since and you can't blame people for expecting a 10 year confrontation to be as epic if not more so than Enies Lobby.
In short..a lot of us(me included) really wanted something on par with Enies Lobby..we didn't and that sucks but Life moves on. Now all I want to know from the Series are just the major plot points.
I'm glad someone feels the same way I do, couldn't have explained it better myself and yes…I wanted Dressrosa to be another Enis lobby. It was the time we NEEDED for it to be. Fishman Island had weak opponents. Punk Hazard was just a lead into Dressrosa... but all of that was really really long. Good, worthy opponents were long overdue. I also really would've loved to see what that would mean for the Strawhats bounties.
Hell, even now with things the way they are..they stilled showed feats above what they were capable of pre-timeskip. I'm hoping for a moment like after Enis Lobby where they see all the new Wanted Posters and new bounties... anyways I lost my train of thought but good post! Well said!
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Nothing about the moniker "hundred beast" says to me that he is a dragon, I'm still going to bet it's the Mythical creature Typhon who actually has the ability to sprout innumerable beasts from his body (I think in Kaido's case his awesome hair looks like it might go medusa mode on us, but instead of snakes different animal heads). Typhon had scales too, just saying.
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I suspect when Oda introduces Shanks in his full glory, and announces his feats, similar to how he did with Kaido, he'll be your favorite Yonkou. Shanks is probably the strongest, but as Mihawk labels him, he's far too "casual" and not evil like the other three so he probably doesn't go around strong-arming countries and Islands against their will to gain territories, probably like Luffy just liberates them from Marines and dangerous Yonkou and earns their respect and gratitude. Making him the least threatening in everyone's eyes.
Maybe not his name but what about everything else? The scales, the facial hair, his name, how he got to sky island alone, Kinemon hating dragons with a passion. What about all of that? I mean his title could easily come from all the Zoan crew mates he has.
This might interesting.
I chapter 697 we finally learn its Kaido that Law wants to go after. The first color spread after that information is known comes in chapter 699. The crew defeating a dragon.
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯
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got myself a ticket on this kaidou-is-dragon-zoan hype train. everything makes perfect sense
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I'd love for Kaido to be a dragon but.. I'm not sure there's enough proof yet.
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I'd love for Kaido to be a dragon but.. I'm not sure there's enough proof yet.
does dragon have horn that big and in that shape?
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Just want to throw my two cents in and say that the island Sanji and crew are on is most definitely Zou. I normally wouldn't mention something I think is obvious but there's apparently a lot of people that think otherwise. Some quick points: 1) they were ordered to sail to Zou and said they would wait there, 2) after beating Doffy, Law's priority should be reuniting with his crew as well Luffy would want to reunite with his and both are assuming their crews are in Zou, 3) the theme of the island matches the name, 4) Kinemon is looking for one last samurai who he implied was in Zou, 5) Law NEVER stated Zou was a safe haven, that's an assumption by fans.
And even if it was a safe haven the coincidence of a samurai being there may have brought Kaidou's men to the island as pursuers. So yeah, rest assured that this island is Zou.
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does dragon have horn that big and in that shape?
Eastern-style Dragons do have horns, but not the way Kaido has.
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Sorry if this has been mentioned before but what does this "Kaidou" in one of the panels on the last page mean and whats the relativ (if theres any) to his name Kaido?
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@Best:
Sorry if this has been mentioned before but what does this "Kaidou" in one of the panels on the last page mean and whats the relativ (if theres any) to his name Kaido?
Kaido/Kaidou are both ways to write his name.
Mangastream's "If you fight him, he's a Kaido" is just them adding their usual slang to the translation.
The accurate translation via Viz would be:
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@Best:
Sorry if this has been mentioned before but what does this "Kaidou" in one of the panels on the last page mean and whats the relativ (if theres any) to his name Kaido?
If you're talking about mangastream's garbage translation mistake the line should actually just read that 1 on 1 he can't be defeated. Nothing about "being a kaido".
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Right, because you can totally block out the fact that your leader and surrogate father is about to die.
Or you know being able to actually maintain focus instead of being completley overhwlemed by your emotions to the point where you leave yourself open
It was a surprise attack in the middle of a warzone, populated with ridiculous abilities.
Saying Marco is incompetent because he can't anticipate every single attack thrown at him in that environment is just crazy.
He is incompetent because he allowed himself to be distracted by emotions so fully that he got himself nearly killed seems quite accurate to me
I'm sorry, when did this happen?
Luffy was caught and broke out of it using the expansion of body mass when activating Gear Fourth.
We don't know that at all, we've never seen anyone avoid it.
No, it seemingly requires and ability that allows the user to rapidly increase their body mass, snapping the strings.
Here you go
I don't know if it was in the manga as well but it hardly matters. Strings have been established as a physical things and thus it's absolutely logical and consistent to assume that they are something which can be dodged and blockedStupid enough to attack the guy he was facing in battle?
Yeah, Jozu's such an idiot.
Yes because avoiding an enemy that outclasses you and against which you are at a huge disadvantage is such a horrible move
You've yet to back this up in any way.
To me it's quite clear from their performance in the war. The fact that you disagree is your problem
So in the space of a sentence you've admitted the existence of a convenient plot device, and then continued to state black and white "facts" that involve said plot device.
…right.
The fact that Oda is not the most competent of writers doesn't change that this plot device is still an actual fact and thus established
Being caught by surprise is not a rookie mistake.
It is simply a mistake.
Being so consumed by emotion that you allowed yourself such a huge distraction at such an important is an obvious rookie mistake
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Here you go
I don't know if it was in the manga as well but it hardly matters.No, that was an anime only scene.
And yes, it does matter. What's actually shown in the manga is what matters foremost
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@Galaxy:
No, that was an anime only scene.
And yes, it does matter. What's actually shown in the manga is what matters foremost
In some things maybe. In something so blatantly obvious and logical I don't think so. But to each their own
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Apart from Z and Shiki, nothing from the anime holds any water with me
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I'm just gonna cut in cause this seems like an obvious but seemingly masked Haki discussion. I apologize in advance for my attitude.
Sorry but this is no excuse. Not when you are fighting against such enemies
That's the whole point of Haki. To be aware of your surroundings. So yes if you can't anticipate this attack when you know you should be ready for anything I absolutley put this down to incompetence
Actually, no. There's a lot of "points" to Haki, which I suspect why Oda even separated it into three types but as I said before – which is turning to be my catchphrase, I've already made a thread about it. In the case you're speaking of which is Observation/Mantra, as I explained in my thread and tried to explain it recently, there are characteristics/traits that is tied to the individual that possesses said "type". For those who train them and for those who unlock them (ideally both), can you guess the difference? Similarly to how it is in real life that perception, awareness etc can be trained, there are those who are naturally sensitive to such things.
When you say the whole point of Haki is to be aware of your surroundings so you can anticipate every attack coming at you? That's taking the basis out of it (Ki) and miss the point entirely in the process.
The new admiral not only detected it but stopped it with two fingers and Luffy managed to avoid it so we know it's not in fact impossible to detect. Merely that it requires skill. And if memory serves me right Jozu was actually stupid enough to try and attack Aokiji even thought he should have been well aware that he would be outmatched in the DF department
In power yes. In skill quite clearly NO. I know it was a deliberate plot device to make them behave like distracted amateurs but facts are facts. Both Marco and Jozu got defeated and essentially lost the entire war because of the rookie mistakes they made
Didn't Jozu's fight with Aokiji start with taking him off Whitebeard's hands? I forgot.
Anyways, as I said previously, you're taking everything that is the basis of Haki out of it which you then you seems to make it fit into the mold that it's some kind of ultimate power – though in your defense you're not the only one as most of the fandom are guilty of it. The fact is, Ki among many other possible interpretation is the mood, the feeling, the air, the spirit etc. You're calling it plot device for them reasonably and understandably being distracted by their comrades' well-being but completely missing the point of that is exactly how Haki (Ki) can and is portrayed.
Jyabura's warning to Sanji about his emotions regarding Robin, Luffy's resulting breakdown when each of his friends was sent flying in Sabaody, Burgess' (ideal) plan to take advantage of Sabo's emotions. Oh which by the way, people don't seem to have catched on that resulting Sabo's state of mind and to prove Burgess' plan have failed - he saw Burgess' attack coming as it was quite obvious that he put his weapon away on his back before Burgess attack supposedly have connected.
Or you know being able to actually maintain focus instead of being completley overhwlemed by your emotions to the point where you leave yourself open
He is incompetent because he allowed himself to be distracted by emotions so fully that he got himself nearly killed seems quite accurate to me
Already answered but hmm.. speaking of, I just find it funny how you're one of the biggest claimers of sexism in this series, especially in the case of Rebecca crying.. regarding her helplessness and especially facing her own Mother's killer.. when you've just given one of the best cases (that even I've forgotten) that even strong male pirates can be emotionally distracted/unstable and helpless. For it to be called "plot device" is basically saying everything is plot.. lol Straw Hats don't need to be friends nor should they care about each other, Whitebeard Pirates don't need to be overly familiar nor should they treat each other like family and Rebecca should not give a shit about her situation, her parents nor her country. LOL. "Plot device".
The fact that Oda is not the most competent of writers doesn't change that this plot device is still an actual fact and thus established
Being so consumed by emotion that you allowed yourself such a huge distraction at such an important is an obvious rookie mistake
LOL. Now this I find exceptionally entertaining. You've proven to me you don't understand of how emotions can literally affect Haki and said portrayal, which you deem "plot device" and yet that doesn't stop you to easily imply (I'm pretty sure you claimed it on your older posts) that the author is incompetent? Well… that's fair. It's your opinion right? "To each his own" and all that good stuff.
! "Plot device" though LOL
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Maybe not his name but what about everything else? The scales, the facial hair, his name, how he got to sky island alone, Kinemon hating dragons with a passion. What about all of that? I mean his title could easily come from all the Zoan crew mates he has.
This might interesting.
I chapter 697 we finally learn its Kaido that Law wants to go after. The first color spread after that information is known comes in chapter 699. The crew defeating a dragon.
Maybe you're right, what other beast would be considered the "king" of beasts besides a dragon? Besides, someone will have to have the dragon Zoan eventually so why not a Yonkou :) I'll have to withhold further comment until more information is revealed but I think you're onto something.
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@Doffy.:
I know that this is off-topic but in case anyone is interested powermanga released chapter 790 - 792 :http://powermanga.org/one-piece-775-790-792-english/
Chapter 793 now as well,
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@MJR.:
At first I also thought that Kaidou only has to drown himself.
Assuming he has a DF. So what if his DF is the only exception to drowning?That'd make him more OP than he already is.
Btw; Kaidou ftw! Probably my fav. Yonkou
Or he drowns but is probably capable of breathing under water.
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So kid roughed up Kaido gave him that big scar. Too bad drake bit off his arm.
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Luffy owned Doflamingo in every possible way lol.
I think you're confusing flamingo with Hody.
Luffy couldn't even knock offn his glasses
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he ate the bull bull shit fruit (jk). Would be funny if he did eat the bull bull fruit and much was related to him somehow( like that was his pet or something idk)
I think it might be a foreshadowing of Luffy making Kaido his pet.
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Well, that was certainly a beastly intro to a character.
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That also didn't make sense. His ability was very straightforward. I figured it out the second we ever saw it. I felt Zoro had a moment of being slower than he should be just for the sake of having an excuse for a slow start… but even then, that was the start. Doesn't explain why the whole thing dragged. It was implied that Pica was scheming something and Zoro was purposely not attacking at one point but I don't recall anything ever coming of that. Was a really boring fight. I was hoping this would be the first time since the timeskip that we'd have a moment where all the Strawhats truly get to shine in battle.
Well the first round Pica stayed obscured within the stone. We didn't really see the majority of him exposed untill he decided to become the least practical swordsman lol. There was even some debate if he was a logia at one point. I don't think it was 100% clear to Zoro. And he didn't have a clear shot which was the point in not giving him an escape route during the last fight. I'm not saying the fight was perfect. I hardly find any of the fights to be without some flaws. But we were shown/told why it didn't end immediately.
I don't mind the fight not ending in the first round. I actually liked "plan E". Yeah it was still a massive sword slash. But Zoro is a swordsman. There's not a whole lot more variety we can get and he's already unique in his fighting style. It would have been much worse if Pica got defeated right after the first encounter. Readers already constantly complain that Zoro is getting special treatment by Oda. People would have lost their minds if he took Pica out with absolutely no trouble…Again. I'm not saying the fight wasn't still too easy. He took no damage which I found to be very surprising. But I didn't really find fault in why the fight didn't end right away.
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@Galaxy:
Kaido/Kaidou are both ways to write his name.
Mangastream's "If you fight him, he's a Kaido" is just them adding their usual slang to the translation.
The accurate translation via Viz would be:
puh thank you so much for the clarification!
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I'm pretty sure he is referring to the anime filler scene where Fujitora catches a thread like thingie which is supposedly the parasite being thrown by Doflamingo.
It was in Episode 690, when Doflamingo starts using parasite on Dressrosa.I see.
So just the usual anime nonsense then.
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Jozu was distracted by Marco getting lasered.
Ok, let's widen it to a member of your crew/pseudo family is about to die.
The point stands.
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Or you know being able to actually maintain focus instead of being completley overhwlemed by your emotions to the point where you leave yourself open
Completely overwhelmed?
They lost focus for a few seconds.
Talk about an overstatement.
He is incompetent because he allowed himself to be distracted by emotions so fully that he got himself nearly killed seems quite accurate to me
He doesn't want his nakama to die.
I'm sorry that Marco and Jozu aren't robots who feel no emotion and focus only on battle.
Basically, I'm sorry that they're not Lucci.
I don't know if it was in the manga as well but it hardly matters.
It wasn't and it really does matter.
Making a point using something that the anime added, that wasn't in the source material in any form, is ridiculous.
Strings have been established as a physical things and thus it's absolutely logical and consistent to assume that they are something which can be dodged and blocked
Doffy's strings are blockable yes, we've seen things like the overheat whip being blocked or avoided.
Doffy's marionette-like technique, on the other hand, which employs strings that are invisible to the naked eye, has never been blocked or dodged, by anyone.
It's controlled Yonko commanders, and monster trio members alike.
There's no shame in being caught by it, no matter who you are.
Yes because avoiding an enemy that outclasses you and against which you are at a huge disadvantage is such a horrible move
Jozu is literally one of the few characters to have ever damaged Kuzan in the series lol
To me it's quite clear from their performance in the war. The fact that you disagree is your problem
No, my problem is you totally overlooking obvious factors to come to a conclusion that you want.
Not to mention referencing anime filler scenes on top of that.
The fact that Oda is not the most competent of writers doesn't change that this plot device is still an actual fact and thus established
Using plot devices to preserve a characters credibility despite a loss in battle is a pretty basic technique that lots of writers use, good and bad.
Also, you're actually making my argument for me here, the plot device was established and as such, black and white statements like you're making are just silly.
You're basically saying we have a clear plot device that affected the outcome of a fight, but the result of the fight incontrovertibly proves something.
Do you realise how stupid that is?
Being so consumed by emotion that you allowed yourself such a huge distraction at such an important is an obvious rookie mistake
Losing concentration because of your nakama possibly dying is only a mistake as much as having emotions at all is a mistake.
Nope, Oda should have just abandoned the whole characterization of the Whitebeard Pirates as way more than being just shipmates to each other.
Until you're converted into a pacifista (or are Rob Lucci) you're just a moron who makes rookie mistakes!
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
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Nothing about the moniker "hundred beast" says to me that he is a dragon, I'm still going to bet it's the Mythical creature Typhon who actually has the ability to sprout innumerable beasts from his body (I think in Kaido's case his awesome hair looks like it might go medusa mode on us, but instead of snakes different animal heads). Typhon had scales too, just saying.
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I suspect when Oda introduces Shanks in his full glory, and announces his feats, similar to how he did with Kaido, he'll be your favorite Yonkou. Shanks is probably the strongest, but as Mihawk labels him, he's far too "casual" and not evil like the other three so he probably doesn't go around strong-arming countries and Islands against their will to gain territories, probably like Luffy just liberates them from Marines and dangerous Yonkou and earns their respect and gratitude. Making him the least threatening in everyone's eyes.
No. Don't get me wrong. I like Shanks but I don't care that much about him. He is epic but Kaidou is more my style of character.
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For me it will always be Roger>=Whitebeard<=Garp Roger said he and Garp almost killed each other multiple times and Whitbeard matched him, not trying to discredit Pops here, but Garp is a marine; he isn't mentioned in Pirates power ranking. Only Whitebeard once spoken of him when mentioning the strongest men in their era.
He didn't mention Kaido or the 7th Shichibukai or even BigMom so they must be from Shank's Generation, unless he has history with Bigmom and that's why he didn't mention her:ninja:
They're both Big:ninja:
Kaido is their Son:ninja:
Well, that escalated quickly
they are called Pops and Big Mom because Kaido called them when he was little.
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Epic entrance for Kaidou, and what a time to enter into the series. Obviously he was one of the reasons why Dressrosa happened, though I didn't expect him to make that particular entrance. From the way he was talking, it doesn't sound like he knows that Doflamingo has been defeated yet, which should make for a very interesting development from here. As Rebecca, hard to say what she is thinking as Riku is declaring she will be crown princess. And since Fujitora and the marines are thinking about going after the SH, Luffy more than likely is not going to be able to party. So much to see, very exciting things coming up!
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Which is a weird concern considering Marco's fruit
Just because Marco can regenerate doesn't mean he's completely invulnerable.
Oda himself has said there's a limit to Marco's regeneration.
Jozu, having sailed with the guy for decades, is probably aware of this too.
but I simply wanted to correct the mistake.
I wouldn't say mistake tbh.
Both Marco and Jozu were being discussed, and both were distracted by Newgate's failing health or taking of damage on a few occasions during Marineford.
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anyone annoyed by this idiotic gamble thing fujitora keeps on doing?
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anyone annoyed by this idiotic gamble thing fujitora keeps on doing?
Not really, considering the character Oda was inspired by when making him.
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anyone annoyed by this idiotic gamble thing fujitora keeps on doing?
No more than by any other character trait in the series, to be honest.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
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anyone annoyed by this idiotic gamble thing fujitora keeps on doing?
Nope!
It's interesting to me that someone wants to progress through life rolling dice.
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anyone annoyed by this idiotic gamble thing fujitora keeps on doing?
Nope. It's not something indispensable to the plot. So, basically, as Razh pointed, it simply shows Oda's affection for Zaotichi.
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anyone annoyed by this idiotic gamble thing fujitora keeps on doing?
Only annoying folks gets annoyed by that.
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anyone annoyed by this idiotic gamble thing fujitora keeps on doing?
Why is it annoying or idiotic to you? It's been his quirk and part of his character since his very introduction and to a degree been part of his depiction ever since.
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i don´t think kaidou has a DF, if so he wouldn´t jump from sky island not knowing where he would fell…
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It has been a while since we last seen Luffy's Axe attacks.. enemies are too fast or what? I believe they're Luffy's strongest and most destructive attacks.
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He is trying to kill himself y'know. I doubt he cares where he lands, df or no df.
I think he means if he had a devil fruit he would just jump into the water instead of an island.
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I think he means if he had a devil fruit he would just jump into the water instead of an island.
then again, he might just hold his breath for a couple years before someone drags him out. Or a pod of whales would've been passing as he fell into the water and saved him. I think it was pretty clear that many of his attempted suicides were foiled by luck.
Veni, Vedi, Vici.
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then again, he might just hold his breath for a couple years before someone drags him out. Or a pod of whales would've been passing as he fell into the water and saved him. I think it was pretty clear that many of his attempted suicides were foiled by luck.
The one we just saw wasn't foiled by luck at all.
