I think we got a truly badass scene incoming with Doflamingo vs the Colosseum warriors.
Doflamingo would just mow down the troops and it will be awesome.
Watch him walk through with CoC
I think we got a truly badass scene incoming with Doflamingo vs the Colosseum warriors.
Doflamingo would just mow down the troops and it will be awesome.
Watch him walk through with CoC
@A:
This weird for me; I always thought Luffy did not want people interrupting or getting involved in his fight no matter the outcome….............Then again, DD already did involve everybody with the birdcage and Luffy has not other options at the moment; on top of that he is promising to end the fight after is 10 minute break. I don't like Luffy needing so much help, but this is the New World and things are supposed to be on the next level.
Just wait until people start transferring their Haki to him. Or even worse, when Sanji starts conciously stalling while he waits for Luffy to save the day.
There will eventually be a CoC Haki ability that will be equivalent to the power of friendship and Luffy doesn't have to become the stronger than Roger on his own just with his crew.
That is certainly a switch for Luffy right now, who was so stubborn about letting no one else get the glory/honor of defeating Doflamingo when everyone was rushing to the plateau. Maybe it's that they were only saying they were going to buy him 10 minutes. Either way, it did seem like a rare sign of humility regarding taking down the big guy.
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Just wait until people start transferring their Haki to him. Or even worse, when Sanji starts conciously stalling while he waits for Luffy to save the day.
I sincerely hope that day never comes to pass.
I thought Burgersss to be more honorable fighter than that. Evil maybe, but honorable. Try to stab Luffy in that condition is a dick move, don´t like him anymore…
Luffys headbutt move last week was a dick move. I call it even.
No one is honorable in Blackbeard's crew, why did you think Burgess was any different?
Behold, my first prediction still holds. Doflamingo( btw 'Do Amigo' is back in mangapanda) is stronger then Luffy, and luffy would not be able to solo DD.
First he got his organs abolished by Law, now Gear 4 runs out fast and DD could just kill Luffy fast in the 10 minutes that Luffy needs to recover. Doflamingo still din't use parasite( I call it that way cause it was not named and it's most similar to parasite)
I also said DD is right next after yonkous and admirals, and in the same zone as marco and Jozu(but I don't think he would beat jozu).
I mean, what did people expect? Sabo to be in Dressrosa and not doing anything at all? Or would you rather have Sabo fighting –and at this point, probably beating-- Doflamingo? We already have the fact that Fujitora is not doing anything at all to save even himself for us to have Sabo just waiting on Luffy. Haters be haters, after all... Me? I loved the chapter, although I felt it too short, but it would seem short to me even with 50 more pages
No one is honorable in Blackbeard's crew, why did you think Burgess was any different?
Well, Burgess did give me an impression that he was a relatively fair fighter (perhaps his big physical appearance is a part of that, no sneaky stuff), too.
But yeah you are right. Pirates. Blackbeard's at that.
Gatz is the real MVP.
But no haki for just 10 minutes? I was expecting longer.
Gatz is the real MVP.
But just no haki for 10 minutes? I guess for the high-profile fighters of the New World, not having it to defend yourself is a big hinderance, but I was expecting a more significant drawback.
Isn't Luffy absolutely powerless too?
He's barely standing up.
Burgess is actually way weaker than Luffy otherwise why would he wait for Luffy to be in that state to attack him ?
on a side-note maybe Burgess wants the fruit so bad because another well known pirate used it before Luffy ( mmm .. maybe the same guy that had the straw hat :-° ) tough i don't like this destiny stuff
Isn't Luffy absolutely powerless too?
He's barely standing up.
Oop, how did I miss that? :O
Without the proper bloodstream, the Conqueror's Haki is as useless as a degree in Astrological Science.
My Theorie is that Fujitora will kill Doflamingo and then Burguess with get the String Fruit.
Glad to see someone acknowledge that theres a chance Burgess will get Doflamingo not Luffy here. Personally I am of the belief (and have been for some time) that Doflamingo will end up joining the Blackbeard pirates because of their similar ideologies. In line with this I think that Burgess and Sabo will fight for some time - with no resolution - until Doflamingo is defeated and Burgess jumps in to grab the body and leap out of there. It will appear as if Burgess will just be taking him for the fruit but I think Dofla will continue on as a Blackbeard pirate. Burgess doesn't seem the type to be able to use a string fruit at all well and so will be planning on giving it to another (Lafitte maybe?) until Blackbeard lets Dofla live.
I'm more interested in how they take DFs from people.
Probably in the same way Shinokuni's df transfered to a fruit:
Have a suitable non-devil fruit nearby that absorbs the power of a dead devil fruit user, hence Burgess wanting to kill Luffy (and is likely carrying fruits on his back that can absorb devil fruit powers).
My idea is that this is what happened with Ace's devil fruit (Doflamingo hiding a bag somewhere during the war because of Caesar Clown's knowledge) and Whitebeard's devil fruit (hence Blackbeard having to stand nearby Whitebeard when he dies ).
Before Punk Hazard I thought the thing about transfering devil fruits was related to Blackbeard's gravity powers, but seeing as we have three events where Blackbeard wasn't present this is likely not the case. What is more likely is that the gravity powers enable him to carry more than one devil fruit power.
What did Doffla do to himself when he touched his belly and their was written "crack"? His ribs broke or what?
Gatz… be my Vegeta! Hold him down for 10 minutes :D I'll do the spirit bomb ;)
How is Luffy so sure he can finish Doffla with only one more attack?
Interested to see drawback though :)
Even Kaido will help! :D
Wow Jesus looks HUGE.
And obviously Sabo to the rescue ;)
I wonder what's Doffla current state... He doesn't seem that much fazed as he should be. Especially after people thought he's already dead... I guess we got little more drama, and it's not as easy as some of us thought :D
Wow, Oda and the Editors have given up on their mission to just keep making Dressrosa go on and on… Now the in-universe characters are the ones who just keep stretching things out for this dragged-on arc.
Well, I actually like Sabo, that is as a character. However, on a meta level he really doesn't do too much good. All he did in the end of the chapter was to completely kill the tension immediately which was build up right before. Thanks Osabo!
How about, instead of Sabo showing up and clearing things up immediately, to show a panel with Sabo arriving at Koala's place. That would actually have created tension.
Burgess is actually way weaker than Luffy otherwise why would he wait for Luffy to be in that state to attack him ?
Burgess was smart, if anything. He saw Luffy's capabilities in his new form. Why take the risk when you can just wait till the two of them tire each other out? I don't know though what Burgess would've done if Luffy and Doffy had still been at the plateau.
Burgess and Sabo's presence compliment each other well. If Sabo wasn't here then Burgess would've been a bigger nuisance. If Burgess wasn't here then, well, I don't think Doffy capable of tanking Sabo in his state.
I think Sabo and Burgess will duke it out, evenly, till Doffy is defeated. After that Burgess will be pretty much surrounded with enemies. He'll have to escape. Sabo shouldn't have much reason to prevent that all that much.
What a chapter! Oda is breaking away from his typical arc climaxes, nothing in the chapter felt old. Best part was the announcer going over to Luffy to support him, I don't see how they can buy him ten minutes (if it was Toei supporting him that would be nooooo problem), maybe Zoro will find a way to break the birdcage by then?
EDIT: (Dumb prediction) If I was Doffy right now, I'd turn into string, go outside of the birdcage, watch everyone and everything get annihilated!
I'm drooling at the thought of this.
Me too. Him pulling off a serious face. Doing his casual walk. And all you see is people drop
Burgess is actually way weaker than Luffy otherwise why would he wait for Luffy to be in that state to attack him ?
on a side-note maybe Burgess wants the fruit so bad because another well known pirate used it before Luffy ( mmm .. maybe the same guy that had the straw hat :-° ) tough i don't like this destiny stuff
Just very smart. Why give someone a chance they don't have.
How will Oda give Luffy 10 minutes:
It's clear Burgess can't handle Sabo alone. Both Doflamingo and Burgess team up on Sabo. Sabo would be able to hold them for 10 minutes. Both of them should be enough to give trouble to Sabo.
Probably in the same way Shinokuni's df transfered to a fruit:
Have a suitable non-devil fruit nearby that absorbs the power of a dead devil fruit user, hence Burgess wanting to kill Luffy (and is likely carrying fruits on his back that can absorb devil fruit powers).
My idea is that this is what happened with Ace's devil fruit (Doflamingo hiding a bag somewhere during the war because of Caesar Clown's knowledge) and Whitebeard's devil fruit (hence Blackbeard having to stand nearby Whitebeard when he dies ).
Before Punk Hazard I thought the thing about transfering devil fruits was related to Blackbeard's gravity powers, but seeing as we have three events where Blackbeard wasn't present this is likely not the case. What is more likely is that the gravity powers enable him to carry more than one devil fruit power.
That's all and dandy, but doesn't devil fruit take 2 years to respawn? So it's all good with mera-mera, but it shouldn't work with BB, he must have had done something different. Unless Im mistaken about 2 years rule.
Does someone have a link with the pages in the right order?Damn mangapanda!
Glad to see someone acknowledge that theres a chance Burgess will get Doflamingo not Luffy here. Personally I am of the belief (and have been for some time) that Doflamingo will end up joining the Blackbeard pirates because of their similar ideologies. In line with this I think that Burgess and Sabo will fight for some time - with no resolution - until Doflamingo is defeated and Burgess jumps in to grab the body and leap out of there. It will appear as if Burgess will just be taking him for the fruit but I think Dofla will continue on as a Blackbeard pirate. Burgess doesn't seem the type to be able to use a string fruit at all well and so will be planning on giving it to another (Lafitte maybe?) until Blackbeard lets Dofla live.
I don't think so. You really think that a guy who wants to become the "King of Pirates" would be in Blackbeards crew? Nop. Oda is creating something logical. Dofla will never kneel before Teach. Blackbeard is seeking for the best fruits around the world. 10 people with the best fruits (not counting San Juan Wolf because he moves in the sea). Blackbeard stole the Gura Gura no Mi from Whitebeard (a captain) and i think Blackbeard is looking for "captains" fruits levels (that's why Burguess wanted Luffy's one) and logia types or mythical zoan (the strongest) with HIGH LEVELS OF DESTRUCTION POWERS.
The point here (and Blackbeard's weakness), is that it doesn't matter what fruit you got if you can't use it correctly, that's the difference with Luffy. Burguess can steal the Rubber fruit but he will never achieve the mastering degree of Luffy.
Ok crazy talk: if Zoro wouldn't go to stop birdcage he could be in place of Gatz and go own Doffla now. I don't think Doffla should be anywhere near the state when he could take Zoro on. But of course that would be retarded if Zoro stole the spotlight and won against Doffla haha.
I have mixed emotions.
I love that Sabo will fight Burgess, but I thought they should fight during Luffys fight and not during what seems like an intermission.
10 minutes? An excuse to prolong the fight imo. Im really reaching the point where I just want the arc to end already.
the Gladiators were pretty cool, although they will just be fodder
when the 10 minutes are up, I want Luffy to blast Dofla with a strong ass Conqueror's Haki and beat him that way.
Awesome chapter.
On burgess
The guy is gonna be Chopper opponent so I don't see him being some monsters. People are still ignoring the fact that BLackbeard told him and auger that they don't stand a chance against Ace, so in just 2yrs if Burgess was able to fight equally to someone like Sabo who everyone sees as Ace equal since childhood it will definitely be a bad writing from Oda…..
Please people don't ignore the fact that Oda had BB himself say that two of his crewmates doesn't stand a chance against Ace, that statement was for a reason.
That's all and dandy, but doesn't devil fruit take 2 years to respawn? So it's all good with mera-mera, but it shouldn't work with BB, he must have had done something different. Unless Im mistaken about 2 years rule.
Took only a couple of seconds here http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/676/8
I personally find final villains to be more important than supporting protagonists, but that's down to your own personal tastes.
There's pretty much nothing to base this on.
Even if we assumed that the level 6rs are all stronger than the original BB's (which is still quite an assumption) then we still have Burgess weighed up against guys like Lafitte and Doc Q.
Please don't make blanket statements that fall apart at the first bit of scrutiny.
I'm not denying Sabo is important, I just think he isn't as important as Burgess.
Again though, subjective.
Darth's favorite character wasn't Fujitora, it was Sakazuki.
If you're going to take cheap shots at someone who isn't here to defend himself (really brave behavior btw), at least get your facts straight.
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I'm not disputing that Sabo turning up makes sense.
I'm talking purely in terms of the dynamics of this chapter.
Sabo wasn't seen until the last few panels when he suddenly made a physical appearance to save Luffy.
I'm more annoyed at his character seemingly gaining no real traction in this arc, while Sabo has, often at Burgess' expense.
I'm not worried about him in the long term, per say.
Indeed he is.
What's so important about Burgess again? He looks like he could be a member of Team Rocket in the OP universe that's there to capture pikachu because he thinks it's powerful (gomu gomu no mi) but Giovanni (Blackbeard) would call him useless if he came back with such a "treasure". He went to capture Moltress, failed that, settled for someone else's fruit, looks like he's definitely going to fail that. I see him as a comedic relief character for Dressrosa.
It's no little wonder you know about Darth's likes and dislikes, furthering my point that you are beginning to sound like him, I.e. Disliking something for no tangible reason besides "I just don't like his expressions"
As wasted Doflamingo is I won't buy them buying 10 seconds. He made Smoker kiss the floor with one attack. Oda must consider Colosseum fighters are tired too. One big slash is enough. Besides that what's the point of CoC anyway?
Law REALLY hates bread :D
What's so important about Burgess again? He looks like he could be a member of Team Rocket in the OP universe that's there to capture pikachu because he thinks it's powerful (gomu gomu no mi) but Giovanni (Blackbeard) would call him useless if he came back with such a "treasure". He went to capture Moltress, failed that, settled for someone else's fruit, looks like he's definitely going to fail that. I see him as a comedic relief character for Dressrosa.
It's no little wonder you know about Darth's likes and dislikes, furthering my point that you are beginning to sound like him, I.e. Disliking something for no tangible reason besides "I just don't like his expressions"
That's where the subjectives come in. Disturbing part about the discussion's Darth had was they dragged on far too long.
that's right burgess is no longer BB right hand , i think shiryu took his place so that if BB crew ever face the straw hats , zoro will be paired with him , burgess is probably sanji level , i hope sabo will handle both doffy and burgess in the next chap to buy luffy some time .
@Nex:
Just curious, who all thinks that Burgess and Sabo will actually fight to a finish? We've already seen them fight before, before Sabo's powerup of course, and they were pretty much even. It stands to reason that Sabo should have the edge now, so, if that is the case, do we really think Burgess will stay around and get defeated? Personally, I think he's going to run. I said this during the tournament, and I'll say it again now: If Burgess is to be one of the final obstacles on the way to Raftel, he can't be beaten here. It will lessen the impact of when he is later.
And of course, Sabo can't lose, That'd be terrible writing.
I think similar to how burgess couldn't touch ace before, the entire Blackbeard crew lost to Magellan; went a few rounds with Sengoku and ran from Akainu. Oda isnt afraid to show them lose, but also he can show their growth also instead of there power being static or standstill.
I also don't think sabos fruit gives him any real advantage yet. He can still be hit by haki and he's far from mastery of his powers, still in the basic understanding stage.
Hey guys… don't freak out... but I think I just spotted Luffy's long-lost brother, Sabo in this chapter!!!
He's the one getting cut in half in the cover story.
Really liked this chapter. The buildup with Doffy was amazing, Luffy being unable to stop bouncing is just hilarious and the lesser gladiators suddenly coming to help out, even Gatz got a moment in the spotlight (even the commentator ladies are there!). It felt like classic One Piece, and I like it a lot. It combined a serious situations with comical reactions, it feels like its been a while.
It's curious. I can't stand how Luffy is basically becoming the official hero of Dressrosa and how even the marines are helping him achieve that, nor did I like how the other Gladiators got to take out Doffy's family, yet the gladiator scene here really works. Maybe it's because in the previous case, it felt like filler-ish badly handling some really good villains, while here its supporting our protagonist while not stealing his prey and advancing the story where we want it? It might be better if I leave that discussion for my eventual after-arc comment. I think it'll make more sense if I can discuss everything in one, long post.
And I still don't like Sabo for some reason… His entrance was good and it as a nice scene... maybe it's his face. Everything else got that wonderful comical feeling and then mr.cool strolls in. I think that might be it, silly as it sounds.
@Commander:
Does someone have a link with the pages in the right order?Damn mangapanda!
Mangastream is out.
Agreed, after all, isn't haki suppose to be about willpower? More like an expression of will. I see it like using a muscle, you can will it to lift a weight for so long but then you need to rest to recuperate/refocus.
ITs just as odd as other weird things in OP like the King Punch needing exactly 1 hour to charge up.
That's a really good observation. More then likely the subtle foreshadowing by oda of haki having limits.
Probably similar to whitebeards crew being in awe as well when shanks was just letting his CoC loose like it was nothing when he boarded their ship.
What's so important about Burgess again?
He's a commander in the final villain's crew, as such, he's a major antagonist.
It's no little wonder you know about Darth's likes and dislikes, furthering my point that you are beginning to sound like him
I know Darth's likes and dislikes because I debated with him a lot.
How exactly does knowing somebody's likes and dislikes have anything to do with "beginning to sound like them"?
Even your attempted snappy retorts have no logic behind them.
, I.e. Disliking something for no tangible reason besides "I just don't like his expressions"
I've outlined my very tangible reasons for disliking Sabo in some detail, in this thread alone.
By all means though, continue trying to think of witty comebacks and ignore all the actual content of the thread your browsing.
http://readms.com/r/one_piece/786/2781/18
Pandaman as a gladiotor with a shield with him on it up left.
Also noteworthy that most of these fighters - besides the obvious Meadows, Mummy and Rolling Logan - were already seen back in the colisseum as well.
@Zar:
It's curious. I can't stand how Luffy is basically becoming the official hero of Dressrosa and how even the marines are helping him achieve that, nor did I like how the other Gladiators got to take out Doffy's family, yet the gladiator scene here really works. Maybe it's because in the previous case, it felt like filler-ish badly handling some really good villains, while here its supporting our protagonist while not stealing his prey and advancing the story where we want it? It might be better if I leave that discussion for my eventual after-arc comment. I think it'll make more sense if I can discuss everything in one, long post.
I get what you are saying, I think the gladiators fighting at the last minute works but only because they gained enough courage/hope at the last minute. The fact Luffy had so much support earlier on the chapter kinda negates the effect of this chapter, but it's still more effective than 10 chapters of weak support character progression when it felt like the plot wasn't advancing fast enough.
Well, Burgess did give me an impression that he was a relatively fair fighter (perhaps his big physical appearance is a part of that, no sneaky stuff), too.
But yeah you are right. Pirates. Blackbeard's at that.
isn't he the guy who threw a building at ace when he was not looking?such an honorable fighter
Oda running out of ideas?
I lose 10 minutes of haki if I use poundman bla bla. You gotta be kidding me!
Talk about ruining the pace of the fight.
Well, whatever, there are other series to enjoy besides this.
@Terry:
Oda running out of ideas?
I lose 10 minutes of haki if I use poundman bla bla. You gotta be kidding me!
If you run beyond what your body tells you you should, what happens then? Your legs will hurt. You might collapse, as Luffy has done. In reality it takes more than 10 minutes to recover from that. But this manga, so, it flows.
I don't think it's ten minutes exactly, as he said. It's ten minutes of rest so that I can use my haki efficiently, for more than a second.
I do hope Luffy's final attack won't be gear fourth related. I'm fine either way, but I want to see something new.
That's all and dandy, but doesn't devil fruit take 2 years to respawn? So it's all good with mera-mera, but it shouldn't work with BB, he must have had done something different. Unless Im mistaken about 2 years rule.
nobody said anything about a 2 years rule…