Yeah. There is no way Luffy is stronger than Doffy, so the fact that they seem somewhat equal right now just shows how much damage Doffy has tanked.
Chapter 783: Path Blocking
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This was an awesome chapter for me.
I absolutely adore Cavendish and he was so cool here. Can we see Hakuba once more Oda please?
As a huge Robin fan I permit him to have a fling with her lolololOf course the main dish that was served as a dessert was Gear 4th and I just can't imagine what it would look like.
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@joekido:
I wonder why Oda introduced the Phoneglyph in the cover page of he is not going to expand on it? When it was first shown I thought we would explore it in three weeks (after that chapter there was a break and the next chapter was a color page) and when that chapter came up we were treated with some pointless stuff no one cares about and I was waiting each week for Oda to finally expand on it and then this chapter cover page shows Jinbei is about to leave and there is no Phoneglyph anywhere near him so what was the **** the point of introducing it in the first place? Was it to get fans at the edge of their seats only to bombard them with stupid fillers? Unless Oda is planning an arc on this town, the cover story was a waste of time
Also does everyone notice a change in Luffy's character? In Arabasta, Luffy said everyone dies, implying that he does not care about people except his friends. He ended up freeing prisoners in Impel Down and did not care what danger to the outside world that may cause. In Fishman Island Luffy said he does not want to be a hero, otherwise he would have to share meat. However in Dressrosa; he gets worried about the country and when Doflamingo is shrinking the birdcage, he freaks out because it's going to kill people. In this chapter however he goes back to saying that Doflamingo is messing up with his friends. Do you think Luffy will finally care about the world?
That changed reminded me too much of Naruto-Obito and it seemed unrealistic for Luffy. I preferred his "You won't hurt my nakama" to "I'm so strong you won't kill a soul"
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@Don:
http://33.media.tumblr.com/4cc34092edd579b8e5f82ca93e9551ad/tumblr_n8ogvcwgiY1qdlh1io1_500.gif
I think it is more important that Luffy learned of Doffy's first aid abilities as a result of Law's attacks, I cant really gauge how much worse a condition Doffy is in right now compared to Luffy.
Perhaps once the fight starts again… sigh, we will have a better idea of just what Doffy has left in the tank and what kind of price if any Luffy will have to pay for using his new Gear.
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Remember that he had Trebol's assistance in taking down Law.
Again, we had Trébol teaming with Doula to take down Law. We also saw Bellamy wounding Luffy. There was also the times where Law focused on Trébol instead of Doula, which prevent the whole thing from being called a 2 vs. 1.
If you look at all the times they fought, Trebol's role was minor. Just because he wasn't ignorable doesn't mean he did anything significant. And Bellamy hardly did anything to Luffy as far as I remember.
No offense, but I am a bit confused as to what your point is right now. If you're trying to say that Doffy is weak, the fact that he defeated Law solo, tanked all the attacks and is still able to fight Luffy on equal terms proves otherwise.
And if you're trying to say that Doffy wasn't affected by the gamma shot, the author implied several times this chapter that he was. And as he said himself, he didn't heal anything, which means he is vulnerable.
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@Don:
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xD It's too convenient of a term.
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@Farsighted:
I'm getting on the Gear 4 Hype Train and may it be a glorious reveal . May it knock Dolflamingo's shades off!
Hells yeah let's see that happen!
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If you look at all the times they fought, Trebol's role was minor. Just because he wasn't ignorable doesn't mean he did anything significant. And Bellamy hardly did anything to Luffy as far as I remember.
No offense, but I am a bit confused as to what your point is right now. If you're trying to say that Doffy is weak, the fact that he defeated Law solo, tanked all the attacks and is still able to fight Luffy on equal terms proves otherwise.
And if you're trying to say that Doffy wasn't affected by the gamma shot, the author implied several times this chapter that he was. And as he said himself, he didn't heal anything, which means he is vulnerable.
The point is that there was no 2 vs. 1. Trebol and Bellamy being minor doesn't change that. Interference is still interference. Heck, the times were Luffy and Law both went after Doula at the same time were very few too.
Oh, and he didn't defeat Law solo, Trébol helped him, which makes Law's damage-taking feats even more impressive than Doula's own. And he almost killed Doula too even after all that.
And the problem with Doula now is that he doesn't look handicapped right now. He's just as fast, strong and tough as before. Is he really handicapped in that case?
And we can't really gauge the entire thing anyway until we see how much strong Gear 4 makes Luffy, as its very existence implies Luffy himself was holding back the entire time.
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I am not criticizing the breaks. I am criticizing the reason for the breaks aka Oda drawing it almost entirely by by himself. This is just incredibly silly. It's been years already. He should stop behaving like the stereotype of an self absorbed artist and start acting like an actual adult business owner. We get it. He likes his work but this is real life and we can't always do whatever we like. He can easily delegate the drawing to other drawing teams which he can train himself and concentrate on writing with him personally drawing just one of every couple of issues. This will make everything smoother and eliminate the need for breaks
And also I just Wikipedia him and he is apparently freaking 40 years old and has a wife and two kids? And he still does stupid things like work himself to death on a goddamn manga instead of simply delegating?
There's an Australian architect who could be considered an odd one out in the industry because he practices the profession in an almost monkish manner. He neither has draftsmen to draw up the plans for him nor does he have a secretary to entertain clients and do all the tedious typing work that an architect would've avoided given his hectic schedule. He does everything by himself, and still continues to do so at age 70, well beyond Oda's.
There are people like Oda who would prefer to do the work they love themselves and would dedicate their whole lives to it. It's called passion. It's not silly; you criticizing Oda for being passionate is what's silly. You'll understand when you've found your own passion.
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I am not criticizing the breaks. I am criticizing the reason for the breaks aka Oda drawing it almost entirely by by himself. This is just incredibly silly. It's been years already. He should stop behaving like the stereotype of an self absorbed artist and start acting like an actual adult business owner. We get it. He likes his work but this is real life and we can't always do whatever we like. He can easily delegate the drawing to other drawing teams which he can train himself and concentrate on writing with him personally drawing just one of every couple of issues. This will make everything smoother and eliminate the need for breaks
And also I just Wikipedia him and he is apparently freaking 40 years old and has a wife and two kids? And he still does stupid things like work himself to death on a goddamn manga instead of simply delegating?
You're kind of contradicting yourself.
And what exactly makes you think he's not delegating? He has assistants that help him with the manga.
Being a mangaka is not as easy as you make it out to be. They work under an incredibly tight schedule and under an incredible amount of pressure.
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You mean except for the time he fought Law, Fujitora and then Law again. And the time he tanked the red hawk, injection shot and gamma knife? And let's not forget that it was a 2 v 1 most of the time.
Additionally Luffy rode the bull most of the time and also only fought occasionally.
Well, he did not fight fujitora, or else we clearly would not be talking about luffy vs doffy. One metorite is no fight. He fought law, a law who until the bridge was in no serious means taking on doffy. And thanks to his stamina and psychological mountain that doffy is to him, doffy had this fight. Law in his current state of mind would never beat doffy. Its like vegeta vs frieza, under the same means of enslavement to his fear and hatred. Luffy will free law big time from all of this. Luffy fought against a whole lot of gladiators, a whole bunch of foot soildiers, got a good side run took a few of bellamy's best. The red hawk was given when doffy was relatively fresh, if we look at the fact that sugar was revived whose to say doffy was'nt. Big mom vs strawhat luffy, kid, and others, jimbei and wadatsumi and fishmen, wonder what will happen to the sun pirates. Big mom would receive one of her ship with tamago and crew battered, what ever kid may be up to, if he does anything similar too someone or somewhere important to bigmom like luffy has done to kaido's. Through smile and doffy. And gear fourth is awsome. Hope doffy from this point gets bleunoed. Leaving most of what gear fourth has to offer for the real big fish of the new world. Doffy talks like he's expecting his beating. Why does he, i think he actually believes the legend of D famous in his birth place. Monkey D…. i wonder if the scene of his thought on sir crocodile and luffy 100 mill bounty was before he visited bellamy on Jaya? If so why was he so tough on bellamy back on jaya, well apart from the fact that he saw him as an eyesore.
Ps totally agree with monkey kings last message, i always wondered why he calmed said he would kick doffy ass, when he met him thanks to haki and rayleigh instructions. He should be able to tell how strong doffy is. And his your so strong old man to fujitora. He should realistically be able to tell how strong his opponents are.
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That changed reminded me too much of Naruto-Obito and it seemed unrealistic for Luffy. I preferred his "You won't hurt my nakama" to "I'm so strong you won't kill a soul"
He did lose a family member in Ace, on his watch. So Luffy going "no one's gonna die on my watch anymore" makes sense.
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Omg. Chapter 387 ended with Luffy going gear second for the first time, and now 783 ended with him going gear 4.
387 - 783
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All hail Goda.
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The point is that there was no 2 vs. 1. Trebol and Bellamy being minor doesn't change that. Interference is still interference. Oh, and he didn't defeat Law solo, Trébol helped him, which makes Law's damage-taking feats even more impressive than Doula's own. And he almost killed Doula too.
If you want to get technical then sure, there was no 2 v 1. It still doesn't change the fact that their roles were minor. And I'm talking about the fight at the bridge, where Law stood no chance. If we assume the gap between Law and Luffy is small, it would imply that Luffy wouldn't stand a chance either.
And we can't really gauge the entire thing anyway until we see how much strong Gear 4 makes Luffy, as its very existence implies Luffy himself was holding back the entire time.
That is true. However you also have to remember that he wouldn't use it if he wasn't in a worse position than his opponent.
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I should have known Wadatsumi was going to accompany Jinbe. No need to call whale sharks now, just strap the Poneglyph to Wadatsumi. Then there is the time of day, its morning, a day after the Adventure on Dressrosa. Then again what if the cage is broken and Luffy battles Doffy over night? I doubt it but something to think about.
Maybe it was very deliberate that Jinbe's story is going ahead in the time line. The Fishman Island battle was on the same day of the 4 day Tea Party mark.
3 Days til Tea Party - The following day(Camie is working again as before she had the day off) the crew set sail, met Laboon's family and made it to Punk Hazard on the same day. We know its the same day because the girls didn't change clothes. Well to be precise Robin didn't, Nami did but only because she took a mid day bath. Punk Hazard finishes and Doffy is given until the next days newspaper to quit the Warlords, most of the crew sleeps.
2 Days til Tea Party - The crew sees the paper, they mingle in Dressrosa's affairs. Jinbe also sees the very same news paper and after the mini adventure parties into the night.
1 Day til Tea Party - The next day before setting out Wadatsumi asks to join Jinbe in his travels.
At this point I'm doubting Jinbe finding the Swirly Hats and just making it to Big Mom at the all important Tea Party with his triple whammy. No Fishman island sweets, a bomb within the treasure, and then asking to leave her to join the crew that "planted" said bomb. None of these things are his responsibility but we can all guess how the characters will view these coincidences.
You think Jinbe will be the next damsel in distress?
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Remember that he had Trebol's assistance in taking down Law.
Again, we had Trébol teaming with Doula to take down Law. We also saw Bellamy wounding Luffy. There was also the times where Law focused on Trébol instead of Doula, which prevent the whole thing from being called a 2 vs. 1.
The big attacks being tag-teamed also hardly matter as those attacks weren't combinations. Red Hawk is Luffy's own strength. Same for Gamma Knife and Law. Injection Shot was only Law.
I think you understand tag team as combos. Red Hawk and Gamma knife only landed as surprise attacks thanks to both Luffy AND Law.
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4 chapters=break is just fine, I'm glad Oda is back at it, since it all looks like Friezamimgo is doomed, I'd say once the break is over next 4 chaps are gonna be enough to end up this arc.
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Since dofla pointed out that luffy has speed but lacks in power,guess gear 4 will be a power up like zombie luffy in triller bark.That would be cool,i don't think oda will go for rubber spears etc since luffy's techniques are about brute force…A nightmare luffy would be more reasonable imo.maybe he can stay in that form for a limited amount of time...
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Well, he did not fight fujitora, or else we clearly would not be talking about luffy vs doffy. One metorite is no fight. He fought law, a law who until the bridge was in no serious means taking on doffy. And thanks to his stamina and psychological mountain that doffy is to him, doffy had this fight. Law in his current state of mind would never beat doffy. Its like vegeta vs frieza, under the same means of enslavement to his fear and hatred. Luffy will free law big time from all of this. Luffy fought against a whole lot of gladiators, a whole bunch of foot soildiers, got a good side run took a few of bellamy's best. The red hawk was given when doffy was relatively fresh
Let's get this out of the way first: Vegeta would've lost that fight mental barrier or not.
If we can ignore Doffy's skirmish with Fujitora, we can also ignore Law's role. And I fail to see the mental barrier in Law's case. It was not something Doffy used in the fight - Law was just outclassed. I also think you're really overestimating the amount of damage Luffy had taken prior to this fight, as Bellamy hardly did anything of worth and the foot soldiers were ignorable. Red hawk is also a strong technique. Being able to tank that and an injection and counter shock is more impressive than Luffy's feat.
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Are you…...seriously......seriously FU*&$NG KIDDING ME!?!??!?! GAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!!
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@DHL:
Talk about morale..
Doflamingo has lost EVERYTHING he's worked for and possessed. His country, his slaves, his factory, ceaser, his crew.
Once the birdcage vanishes, all hell is gonna break loose for Dofla and he will have lost everything.
Serious question here; does Doflamingo know he lost the factory and Mansherry? Based on Trebol's previous dialogue it seems like he was talking to himself when he was noting the things they lost. I don't remember though.
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A lot of people expect the 4th gear to be a dense rubber armor of some sort. Sacrifice elasticity for tougher skin, eh? I must ask, what's the point in that? Not only is it an unimaginative solution considering CoA does pretty much the same thing, it also doesn't solve the problem Luffy has right now.
Doula spelled it out rather clearly, Luffy's attacks are either too weak or too slow. Making Luffy's skin thicker doesn't affect either of those.
A combination of G2 and G3 seems like a possibility, though I feel combining the previous gears into Luffy's regular arsenal has been explored quite thoroughly already. That's why i lean on G4 being something completely new.
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You think Jinbe will be the next damsel in distress?
Not immediately but yes, in the confrontation with big mom. Jimbei really takes too much responsibility on his lone shoulders.
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Dunno, people like Daz are doing just fine finding logic or inconsitencies in Oda's work…
And let's be clear here, there are works that could be considered on par with One Piece that are releasing weekly. Fairy Tail being random example, yes, but it's hardly the only one.
It makes me think that there is something inefficient in Oda's work schedule. Impossible to tell what it is without actually seeing it, but it feels like it.
Nonetheless, it's hardly an important issue. Chapter is more.
Oda and Mashima are too different people. I hope we're not expecting them to have the same workflow. Oda has proven his planning abilities are way better than many mangakas. Each arc somehow ties with the main story and he's way ahead hence so much foreshadowing going on in OP. Don't understand why you think his schedule is inefficient when he looks like he puts a lot of thought into his work. People just have different paces, that's all.
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The point is that there was no 2 vs. 1. Trebol and Bellamy being minor doesn't change that. Interference is still interference. Heck, the times were Luffy and Law both went after Doula at the same time were very few too.
Oh, and he didn't defeat Law solo, Trébol helped him, which makes Law's damage-taking feats even more impressive than Doula's own. And he almost killed Doula too even after all that
Dofla completely outclassed a much better feeling law in a 1v1 earlier.
And the problem with Doula now is that he doesn't look handicapped right now. He's just as fast, strong and tough as before. Is he really handicapped in that case?
And we can't really gauge the entire thing anyway until we see how much strong Gear 4 makes Luffy, as its very existence implies Luffy himself was holding back the entire time.
Did Whitebeard look handicapped when entire marineford was split in two after half his head gone +insides.
Experienced fighters will ignore pain. "Rambo it" so to say
Everyone's been commenting saying Luffy had speed on Dofla, yet he's reaching behind and through Luffy, showing Dofla outclasses Luffys speed.
Dofla even showed Luffy how his eagle bazooka lacked power by taking it on.Luffy realises this isn't working. Gear 4 is gonna be his "answer".
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Serious question here; does Doflamingo know he lost the factory and Mansherry? Based on Trebol's previous dialogue it seems like he was talking to himself when he was noting the things they lost. I don't remember though.
Trebol said;
"Oi doffy Pica got defeated and the factory got destroyed"
Mansherry I don't know, she was close to Robin and I think he wwould have seem here with the enemy.
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Let's get this out of the way first: Vegeta would've lost that fight mental barrier or not.
If we can ignore Doffy's skirmish with Fujitora, we can also ignore Law's role. And I fail to see the mental barrier in Law's case. It was not something Doffy used in the fight - Law was just outclassed. I also think you're really overestimating the amount of damage Luffy had taken prior to this fight, as Bellamy hardly did anything of worth and the foot soldiers were ignorable. Red hawk is also a strong technique. Being able to tank that and an injection and counter shock is more impressive than Luffy's feat.
Totally agree on vegeta. But law is not vegeta was just comparing their situation, vegeta claimed to have known frieza killed his people and father. Law knows doffy killed his benefactor and person be cherished the most at that time of his life. Both served under the tyrant per se, always with an eye to take revenge. The point of this all was to basically point out both luffy and doffy has taken a few. Both are weakened. Even i this chapter doffy seems to think luffy is half dead already. Luffy thinks doffy has taken a sucker punch- organ shredder. But how much relevance is it all if luffy could have gone a step further the entire time. Luffy had this im gonna lean on fro now.
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Since dofla pointed out that luffy has speed but lacks in power,guess gear 4 will be a power up like zombie luffy in triller bark.That would be cool,i don't think oda will go for rubber spears etc since luffy's techniques are about brute force…A nightmare luffy would be more reasonable imo.maybe he can stay in that form for a limited amount of time...
Doflas string trap hasnt been used on Luffy.
Oda MUST have that used on Luffy. Odas saved it so far..
My prediction is that Luffy goes gear 4 and starts landing hits on Dofla as he has gotten stronger.
Dofla laughs and uses the string trap. Luffy will either get out or get saved..
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You think Jinbe will be the next damsel in distress?
Oh yes absolutely. Not in a Vivi sense where she can't hold her own with the best but more like Franky. We need to see this former Warlord completely outclassed and have Luffy do what he can't.
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@joekido:
Also does everyone notice a change in Luffy's character? In Arabasta, Luffy said everyone dies, implying that he does not care about people except his friends. He ended up freeing prisoners in Impel Down and did not care what danger to the outside world that may cause. In Fishman Island Luffy said he does not want to be a hero, otherwise he would have to share meat. However in Dressrosa; he gets worried about the country and when Doflamingo is shrinking the birdcage, he freaks out because it's going to kill people. In this chapter however he goes back to saying that Doflamingo is messing up with his friends. Do you think Luffy will finally care about the world?
Now you are right about the Impel Down incident, he did not care. I don't blame him though, I wish my brother would do the same LoL
As for the Alabasta speech, I think you got it completely wrong…or not! They went to Yuba to stop Kozah through talking. To bad the rebels base was on the other side of the country. Still, Vivi was not ready to give up on diplomacy. The base was really far and the war would probably start before they arrive. However the only alternative was to fight Crocodile, and Vivi did not want to risk the lifes of her friends to save her country. So she clung to the hope that they might reach Kozah in time and stop the war. At some point Luffy stops.
Luffy tells her that she is too naive. That people will definitely get killed if they keep walking in the desert for 2 days. Change of plan, let's get Crocodile.
He did what was best for Alabasta unlike Vivi who wanted to protect Alabasta AND the crew.LoL I'm sure you already know all this. I'm just surprised that your interpretation is so different than mine.
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Totally agree on vegeta. But law is not vegeta was just comparing their situation, vegeta claimed to have known frieza killed his people and father. Law knows doffy killed his benefactor and person be cherished the most at that time of his life. Both served under the tyrant per se, always with an eye to take revenge. The point of this all was to basically point out both luffy and doffy has taken a few. Both are weakened. Even i this chapter doffy seems to think luffy is half dead already. Luffy thinks doffy has taken a sucker punch- organ shredder. But how much relevance is it all if luffy could have gone a step further the entire time. Luffy had this im gonna lean on fro now.
That is true, but let's not forget that Doffy has had the advantage up until now.
But we'll just have to see. It doesn't look like anyone is backing down on their argument.
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@DHL:
Dofla completely outclassed a much better feeling law in a 1v1 earlier.@DHL:
Better feeling in what sense of the word?
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Everything except for them glasses
If Doflas glasses don't get cracked we might see Dofla in a cover story..
Scenery: Dofla alone on a small boat looking at glasses.
"At least I have my glasses".
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Better feeling in what sense of the word?
Before all the crap he took. bullets, arm cut off, full blight, more bullets
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@Tom:
A lot of people expect the 4th gear to be a dense rubber armor of some sort. Sacrifice elasticity for tougher skin, eh? I must ask, what's the point in that? Not only is it an unimaginative solution considering CoA does pretty much the same thing, it also doesn't solve the problem Luffy has right now.
Doula spelled it out rather clearly, Luffy's attacks are either too weak or too slow. Making Luffy's skin thicker doesn't affect either of those.
A combination of G2 and G3 seems like a possibility, though I feel combining the previous gears into Luffy's regular arsenal has been explored quite thoroughly already. That's why i lean on G4 being something completely new.
You do realize though that vulcanization is the result of compression, right? It's not like he'd gain more layers of cells to thicken his skin, he would compress into a smaller form factor. He would not lose speed like in Gear 3 since he'd be even smaller than usual. At the same time he'd pack a harder punch even without CoA since there is more mass hitting the target on a smaller surface. Add your CoA and it should pretty much compensate for all the downsides of his other gears.
Also, a combination of Gear 2 and Gear 3 has been seen even before the timeskip and Luffy never bothered to call it Gear 4 so why should he choose to do so now?Although I do agree that, if it doesn't turn out to be vulcanization (which it most probably won't, Oda tends to be very… exploitative with his artistic freedom when it comes to Devil Fruit abilites), it's probably going to be something no one has thought of yet.
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Can we safely assume that Luffy is not bluffing ? :silly:
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@DHL:
Before all the crap he took. bullets, arm cut off, full blight, more bullets
I give you that better than he is riht now, but be was all the same being on the defensive for most of it, he might have pushed his very essence of life at the end of his final encounter but does'nt change the fact he' biggest handicap seems to be stamina. Not gonna lie doffy is strong, and then there was a real monster half assing around, still a monster no doubt. Law spamming room after room. Better than his current self but not sure about better in the sence of his full capabilities. But to be fair i will add am definitely bias toward law's character.
RamistaR no we can't…. nt safely, mabe sabo is snicking behind doffy with one finger on lips, with his pipe in hand ready to give doffy a premature meeting with stars, and luffy was just preping us for the possibility of gear fourth, well for later, only problem. Bartolomew, dude needs to see some thing one step ahead of what zoro did, just to give us those priceless reactions.
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Although I do agree that, if it doesn't turn out to be vulcanization (which it most probably won't, Oda tends to be very… exploitative with his artistic freedom when it comes to Devil Fruit abilites), it's probably going to be something no one has thought of yet.
Would baffle me when Oda is capable of coming with something up nobody discussed already over the years.
It happens all the time (Usopp defeating Sugar) but with something like Gear 4, which had such a long time to be discussed…
At least something mentioned has to come close xDI can see something like Luffys rubber becoming all gooey, but that would be logia and not paramecia..
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@Don:
Would baffle me when Oda is capable of coming with something up nobody discussed already over the years.
It happens all the time (Usopp defeating Sugar) but with something like Gear 4, which had such a long time to be discussed…
At least something mentioned has to come close xDI can see something like Luffys rubber becoming all gooey, but that would be logia and not paramecia..
That would make him Trebol
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You do realize though that vulcanization is the result of compression, right? It's not like he'd gain more layers of cells to thicken his skin, he would compress into a smaller form factor. He would not lose speed like in Gear 3 since he'd be even smaller than usual. At the same time he'd pack a harder punch even without CoA since there is more mass hitting the target on a smaller surface. Add your CoA and it should pretty much compensate for all the downsides of his other gears.
Also, a combination of Gear 2 and Gear 3 has been seen even before the timeskip and Luffy never bothered to call it Gear 4 so why should he choose to do so now?Although I do agree that, if it doesn't turn out to be vulcanization (which it most probably won't, Oda tends to be very… exploitative with his artistic freedom when it comes to Devil Fruit abilites), it's probably going to be something no one has thought of yet.
Theoretically speaking, compressing his rubber wouldn't affect the density nearly enough to account for as much mass as G3. Now, turning his hands into air balloons probably shouldn't either, but we've seen how destructive G3 is so let's just roll with it. It would also be quite the lazy solution to keep Luffy's looks and size roughly the same and claim his punches just became stronger.
I agree that G2 and G3 have been explored quite thoroughly. I wasn't sure if he has actually used both simultaneously although he doesn't make it a point to show he's on a specific "gear" anymore. The only reason I consider it a valid possibility is because it's such an obvious solution. Doula countered Luffy's separate G2 and G3 attacks and mocked him for lacking the strength or the speed. Doing both of those simultaneously would be an easy solution. It is rather dull however, so something new sounds more plausible as well as more interesting.
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Can we safely assume that Luffy is not bluffing ? :silly:
Luffy: You HAVE heard of my gears right?
Doflamingo: Yea, they go up to gear third I heard.. no rhyme intended.. but.. they are strong, capable of beating powerful foes hmm? fufufu
Luffy: Yea.. I guess you really did research me..
Doflamingo: I would be a fool if i had not.
Luffy: Gear 4
Doflamingo: oh oh, fuck me im the test subject of a gear
NOTHING HAPPENS
Doflamingo: Hmm?
Luffy: Damn it! I was bluffing! I was hoping you'd turn the birdcage off and run away!
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Shit chapter
What is the point of introducing all these cool attacks when they're useless against top tier opponents
Luffy should be able to hurt doflamingo without using his fruit, nevermind gear 2
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What if the G4's mechanism will explain even the Red Hawk? Maybe that attack is a one-second-activity of the G4, cause to use it more will hurt Luffy's body, etc. But again what if Red Hawk is a G4 attack?
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Here is what I think Gear 4th will be.
A hybrid of Gear 2nd and Gear 3rd. But the implementation of Gear 3rd will be much smaller. To better illustrate what I think Luffy will show next chapter, I think he'll have Popeye Like Forearms/Fists that are about 3-5 times larger than his regular fists. This will add the right amount of weight to his attacks and by nature of his rubber abilities, make him faster, by whipping heavier fists. The same I assume will apply to his feet. Larger calves/feet. And obviously, he'll use "Hard Haki" and that'll be it.
So, just as you cut a rubber band, and add a little weight to each end achieves this result. Too much weight, needs more preparation for an attack, and can be dodged, but the right amount of weight, can Luffy achieve a more violent and quick nature to his attacks.
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I have no idea what G4 will look like but I could only guess based on what Luffy currently needs in this fight against Doflamingo.
He's able to hit him with G2 in which he's faster but doesn't have enough DC (Destructive Capacity), with the opposite being the case in G3.
I can only imagine that G4 is a mode in which he retains the speed of G2, or even exceeds that, but beefs up his body to the point where he has more DC. I'm envisioning a very athletic built Luffy with G2 effects.
I think the drawback to this mode might be reduced attack range and the standard G2 stamina problems, I think he won't be able to stretch as far with his muscles pumped.
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What if the G4's mechanism will explain even the Red Hawk? Maybe that attack is a one-second-activity of the G4, cause to use it more will hurt Luffy's body, etc. But again what if Red Hawk is a G4 attack?
It could be. Personally, i believe Red Hawk is a Gear Second move.
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So Wadatsumi is on the trip. I guess he could transport the Ancient stone if Jimbei somehow feels the need to move it.
Both Doffly and Luffy outran the explosion. While carrying Law even. That's one useless sacrifice Trebol pulled there. Even the arm survived.
Cavendish was pretty fun in the chapter. I love his thought process so he can see Luffy as a fan and him handing his coat to Nico Robin so she can cover the blood. Staying with Law so he can protect him if things goes while respecting his will was pretty cool too. In comparaison the bullets blocking didn't do much. I love how he comment on Luffy still not being done after his nap. It's true that fight as been reset quite a lot. He may not have had the fight I hoped but he is still a enjoyable addition to the arc.
I still find ridiculous that they would refuse to help Luffy but since the author wants me to believe it makes sense I'll pretend it does. Meanwhile Franky is up and Usopp is yelling at Zoro. I'm still wondering why Usopp and the others stay there. Moving to the center of the birdcage is the logical thing to do. As expect Fuji is still avoiding the camera so he can pretend he actually working off-screen.
I somehow forgot Croc was beaten by Smokey. I didn't think Dofla cared about Luffy that much. I really don't like how relatively weak the gear have became and the need for a new one but it was inevitable I guess. Funny how Doffly is downplaying Luffy's punch considering red hawk did quite a number on him. That's the beauty of using arment i guess.
I don't like gear 4th showing now rather than sooner considering how long his confrontation(s) with Doffly as been going and how they've been going but I still wonder what Oda has in store for a new gear. Something original I hope.
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I would be fine with most things tbh, but a fire related power would piss me off.
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Shit chapter
What is the point of introducing all these cool attacks when they're useless against top tier opponents
Luffy should be able to hurt doflamingo without using his fruit, nevermind gear 2
Luffy only beat Crocodile because of the glaring weakness in his fruit (moisture). Crocodile had also likely become weak dealing with only small fry pirates on Arabasta to keep his reputation up.
As for Moriah, Moriah was only defeated because he overly relied on his Devil Fruit ability, and essentially became "bloated" on it. Plus, he had grown fat and lazy and depressed after his defeat (and slaughter of his original crew) at the hands of Kaido. It's been shown that he used to be fit and muscular in his youth.
Kuma (the real one, not the Pacifistas) owned them without much difficulty, and If Hancock hadn't become infatuated with him, she would have easily beaten him. Jinbe is an Ally, but he could have easily overpowered Luffy pre-timeskip.
Doflamingo is another league. He has been training since he was a kid to be his own version of the Pirate King. Even when most of his crew grew fat and lazy, he continued to train and hone his skills. Expecting Luffy (or anyone short of a Yonko or Marine Admiral) to beat him easily is silly.
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Oh yes absolutely. Not in a Vivi sense where she can't hold her own with the best but more like Franky. We need to see this former Warlord completely outclassed and have Luffy do what he can't.
I don't know how I feel about that, it ruined Ace for me. Though that could have been his needy whining. I see Jinbe as an elder statesman. Sort of a consigliere for Luffy. Getting caught like that, with all the prior warning we know he has rubs me the wrong way.
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To everyone who's been complaining about Luffy needing to use his fruit to damage very strong opponents, recall that duels between top-notch fighters can take three days or even a week. Do we really want that sort of thing? If Luffy runs on endurance instead of a high guard and uses his strongest moves more often to make these fights shorter, I'm not complaining.