Not bad, I wonder what Darth woul.. Oh yeah.
Chapter 782: Evil`s Charisma
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To think how many of us argued that Trebol is too strong for her, proceeding to number all he can do with his LOGIA fruit. I'm laughing at myself inside.
With what he showed in the last two chapters, he can consider himself lucky he didn't have to go against Robin. What's more I think pre-timeskip Ussopp would have decent odds.
I dont think that Trebol who was able to kind of stall/ stop Luffy <by suprise="" but="" still="">would not obliterate Ussop. From what we have seen beside that cutting attack that Ussop showed he would have close to no chance to beat guy that was shown as speedster twice - in situation with Robin and when he was introduced in scene where Baby 5 called him. He is not THAT weak. But Robin would have decent chances with some luck and keeping her distance/ using clone after we seen her being able to stop somebody like Hakuba("speed means nothing to me").
Sometimes I think Oda reads AP forums and some of our discussion - the one about Robin vs Trebol being good example on how likely it sometimes feels for Oda to really come here and lurk </by> -
@Zar:
Now this is what I want for this series! An uninterrupted fight with decent choreography that still advances the plot. Backgrounds for the villains, in particular background that explores the relationship between them. A creative use of a devil fruit that was genuinely surprising. And my wish of Law defeating Trebol came true, it would've been such a let down if all he did was inflict a little damage.
I agree, tidbits of their past does a lot to flesh out the characters. Even that one page with Doffy saying goodbye to Vergo did a lot, and it doesn't feel like the plot is slowing down, when there is also a fight going on - just like with Franky and Pink. I just hope law doesn't bail them out this time, as he has done what was expected and then some.
I agree with you on the potential weakness thing. Giving up Life force just plain sucks. But I would like to point out that Law does have a weakness in form of Stamina and hardly uses too much of his powers. Just think back and try to remember any fight where law has used even half of the tricks he used in Dressrosa. This is the battle of his life. Something he has planned to do since he was a little kid. He is probably more stuck up to the idea of defeating Doflamingo than Luffy ever was about defeating Lucci or Crocodile. I think a person crossing physical limits for the one battle he has wanted to win since childhood isn't too much.
I like this explanation. Obviously I cannot know how someone would feel in his situation, but certainly plausible.
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darth leaves … peeko walks back in... When the cat's away, the mice will play.
Been a while :p
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Trebol being defeated by one of the Shichibukai, a Captain of "The Worst Generation". If that was Jinbe, Doflamingo, Croc, Hawkins, Apoo, Hancock, or Kuma sitting there even that bloodied and bruised people would expect them to at least be able to handle someone like Trebol. Law does it and people are like WAHHHH the executives are such a push over.
Diamante loses to the undefeated hero of the Collesium, the Champion of Dressrosa. Too weak.
Pica loses to the First Mate of the Strawhat Pirates. Luffy and Zoro being the only ones who could stand up to some like Pica anyway. Too weak.
Vergo gets taken down by a slash that cuts a mountain in half. Too weak.
Trebol made the same mistake Vergo did and the same one people keep making about Law. He underestimated him. Doflamingo is the only one who grudgingly had given Law's fruit and ability to use it the respect it deserves.
Well, Diamante did lose against a one legged former undefeated Colloseum hero, after pummeling him with iron spiked balls and shooting him in the remaining leg. He was also pretty lame in the Colloseum.
Pica losing wasn't much of a problem as how he lost. His biggest achievement was making Zoro play whack-a-mole.
Vergo was too careless, but it's how it is. He had a pretty impressive run prior to that.
I consider what happen to Trebol PIS, at least in the last 2 chapters. He wasn't much more than a talking punching bag.
And yes, Dofla is the only one who has given Law's ability respect it deserves. Just only after being nearly killed by it.
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darth leaves … peeko walks back in... When the cat's away, the mice will play.
Been a while :p
PEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKO!!!
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Trebol being defeated by one of the Shichibukai, a Captain of "The Worst Generation". If that was Jinbe, Doflamingo, Croc, Hawkins, Apoo, Hancock, or Kuma sitting there even that bloodied and bruised people would expect them to at least be able to handle someone like Trebol. Law does it and people are like WAHHHH the executives are such a push over.
I gotta admit I too forget that Law is a Warlord, and not a weak one like Buggy (even though he has an army at his disposal and ties with all the big guns in the history of pirating, so he actually makes a lot of sense as a Warlord). Besides Moriah, who became lazy and weakened, all the shichis till now have been powerhouses in a way, so one of them like Law doing impossible shit shouldn't be so out of the blue.
I guess it's just the way he does things that rubs many the wrong way. The whole I no longer have any stamina left I'm riddled with bullets and I'm missing an arm but let me still do some radioactive knife thingie, an electroshock and a seesaw move with my impaled arm. All while having this "man am I cool or what?" face.
But, yeah, as you say, he's still a Warlord, and Warlords are powerful. We just forget every once in a while.
Trebol made the same mistake Vergo did and the same one people keep making about Law. He underestimated him. Doflamingo is the only one who grudgingly had given Law's fruit and ability to use it the respect it deserves.
I don't think this is the same situation as Vergo's demise. This was more Law using a Doffy-like strategy of pissing Trébol off, and Trébol in his anger became careless. And there was a bit of underestimation, yes, but it's kinda understandable. Half dead guy, missing an arm, can barely maintain a Room, glued to the ground, unable to move?
But I think the most part of it was Trébol being tricked by Law, who pissed him off big time by laughing at the family.
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Trebol being defeated by one of the Shichibukai, a Captain of "The Worst Generation". If that was Jinbe, Doflamingo, Croc, Hawkins, Apoo, Hancock, or Kuma sitting there even that bloodied and bruised people would expect them to at least be able to handle someone like Trebol. Law does it and people are like WAHHHH the executives are such a push over.
Diamante loses to the undefeated hero of the Collesium, the Champion of Dressrosa. Too weak.
Pica loses to the First Mate of the Strawhat Pirates. Luffy and Zoro being the only ones who could stand up to some like Pica anyway. Too weak.
Vergo gets taken down by a slash that cuts a mountain in half. Too weak.
Trebol made the same mistake Vergo did and the same one people keep making about Law. He underestimated him. Doflamingo is the only one who grudgingly had given Law's fruit and ability to use it the respect it deserves.
As a poster above said, the issue isn't that the Seats/High Executives were too weak. It's that they didn't get nearly as enjoyable and extensive showings as they in mine and apparently quite a few others' opinions deserved. Diamante's showings were so, so meager and his fight was all broken up into little pieces, then ended quickly. Trebol's stuff has been spread out across the entire arc doing only very little at a time and virtually none of it, even less than for Diamante, happened in a context of fluid fighting. Pica had it the best but there were still problems, they have been discussed to death however. Now Vergo was very impactful in everything he did and went down well but I still would have liked to see more of him. Aside from beating on a hopeless Law he only had a short scuffle with Sanji and a short scuffle with Smoker on-panel. Again, elongated - in terms of sequential on-panel time, not in-universe time passed - encounters is what would have helped. I find it very frustrating that Oda seems to restrict these nearly exclusively to Luffy and to an extent Zoro these days.
In short, Oda is just being way too stingy with the panel time he gives to these guys imo. They have such great designs, personalities and interesting abilities but we just don't get any fluid focused fighting. Instead we keep getting these quick scuffle-type encounters which are constantly broken up into pieces and a lot of the time end very abruptly with the now-infamous "one-shots". It simply doesn't feel like these characters get the respect and focus that used to be accorded elite lieutenants such as Daz Bones or Kaku. I even think Chess and Kuromarimo got a more focused fight with more interaction of abilities and choreography than Trebol and Diamante…
I know criticism of this nature has probably been raised a thousand times before but this is where I'm personally coming from in finding the High Executives disappointing. It's not that I find them too weak at all. That's not my problem. I wanted to see more of them and see it in the good old style that's worked so well so many times before, sequential, fluid fighting with lots of interesting banter accompanying the interesting fighting. I love their concepts and I also really appreciate that Oda stepped outside the norm of simply lining up a bunch of convenient 1v1s. All the officers have been running around and doing their own things the whole arc compared CP9 and BW sitting in their lair and then going out for convenient 1v1 battles (with some mix-ups, granted). It made the officers come alive and feel more like individual characters than simply a battery of mooks to be fought and defeated. That's why there was so much promise here and why it stings so much that when the time came to deliver we mostly got a slew of rushed and broken up encounters.
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I think it's the whole, beaten to death, stuck to the pavement, arm amputated, energy drained and yet STILL managed to take out an executive that are rubbing people the wrong way. It's kinda comical. Like how about we take a leg while we're at it to even things out a little for Trebol lol
Not to say I didn't like it, it was a well executed scene where Law took advantage of his knowledge of Trebol's weaknesses and turned one of his disadvantages (his missing arm, a surprise Chekov's gun) to make a surprise turn around. It's just how much more awesome can Law be, give him a break Oda yeesh.
I did like the move though, reminded me of Joseph vs Perfect Cars where he managed to injure him with his amputated arm albeit that time was by accident.
And then to cap it all off, Trebol went DOFLAMINGO AL AKBAR!!! and ended the chapter with a pretty awesome cliffhanger.
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Law's fought with his sword before and he's defended with his sword against a strike from DD (at least) and DD's strength is abnormal. Thus it is fairly easy to draw the conclusion that in order to block such a strike, then Law must have abnormal strength as well.
Blocking a strike isn't too much of a feat. Yeah, it shows that Law is no fodder when it comes to physical strength, but a block or two hardly allow a reasonable conclusion of him having great strength. In most of his fights, his physical prowess(both speed and strength) have been decent at best.
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New to the forums! First post and it's to complain!
Liked this chapter, until we got more Law. I'm so sick to death of him and it's probably my main complaint about Dressrosa in general. We lost half of the Straw Hat crew for what seems like an eternity and it's been the Law/random character show for far too long now. On top of that Law seems like the most indestructible force since Whitebeard. He has been run through the ringer for the majority of this arc, but he still keeps coming. He was nearly dead for chapters, pulls off a "life shortening" attack, collapses…and then destroys an executive seconds later. I just can't buy Law anymore.
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Darn it!!!! Jinbe stayed over night with the sea monsters! Now his cover story is in fact a head of main story's time line. Curses I wanted him involved with Big Mom and Sanji's group yesterday!!!!
But there is still time, Dressrosa isn't over yet so I suppose anything could happen.
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The dwarfs were not random.
When Trebol finally was hurt, he squealed like the Tontattas when he squished them under his foot.
Dwarves were basically feeling "somehow I have this strange 'revenge is sweet' feeling"thats not what they were feeling! A yonko is nearing and shit gonna end real fast real soon (IMO)
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Thank god Oda stopped that Luffy vs Doflamingo fight I was almost having too much fun
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thats not what they were feeling! A yonko is nearing and shit gonna end real fast real soon (IMO)
Why would the presence of a Yonko make them feel relieved?
One of their main oppressors pretty much got treated the same way they did (same squeal and all).
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Darn it!!!! Jinbe stayed over night with the sea monsters! Now his cover story is in fact a head of main story's time line. Curses I wanted him involved with Big Mom and Sanji's group yesterday!!!!
But there is still time, Dressrosa isn't over yet so I suppose anything could happen.
The Heart pirates are more likely to help Sanji and his crew. It could be that SH run to Zou, at Heart pirates location, Big mom pirates follow them and the fight moves there.
Would not be much of a point for Jimbe to leave the crew 1-2 days ago and now return, too early.
On: Trebol isn't that crap, he likely took out Law with that last explosion.
And how badass is to almost defeat the enemy with the hand that was cut? I laugh at people who say Zoro is badass.
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Blocking a strike isn't too much of a feat. Yeah, it shows that Law is no fodder when it comes to physical strength, but a block or two hardly allow a reasonable conclusion of him having great strength. In most of his fights, his physical prowess(both speed and strength) have been decent at best.
StrikeS, including Overheat (Probably DD's strongest offensive attack shown so far).
About speed, he was able to keep up with Smoker. Smoker's speed is more or less equal to Luffy's (GS). Without mentioning teleportation.
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A bit of an off topic rant, but I must say: I think i'll like this arc way more, after I have read it in one go, which i'll do when it is done. When an arc goes on for so long, you tend forget the early parts of it and kind of stop caring about what comes next and the antagonists. The fights also tend to look worse, when you see them sparingly up until the KO.
What I wanted from this arc was fleshed out characters - especially Doffy's family - and strong antagonists, which we have gotten to a certain degree. Although i'll probably never end up liking Rebecca, as her panel time could've been used to flesh out some of the lower ranking members, I'm sure i'll like it way more than now.
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I don't get why people are saying that Law is doing too much - he's no longer a face amongst the crowd of loads of characters that One Piece has introduced, and the last 2 arcs he's been fleshed out A TON, had his backstory shown fully and everything, and people are complaining that he's "taking the action" away from Luffy?
To be fair, we all know exactly what the Straw Hats can do at this point, so surely it's good that instead of seeing Grizzly Magnum or Ushi Bari for umpteenth time, we're seeing other faces stand up and getting more involved for once? Law's a great character, so it's good that he's doing more now.
As for this "stamina" issue… can we really say for sure that he's completely run out of steam? We know about his past now, but can we really say for sure we've seen him fight enough to know the full extent of his powers? Because I think it's a bit of an unfair judgement to say things like that just yet.
People are pissed because Law isn't a "fun" character compare to the strawhats who have far more lovable personalities then Law . At least to me .
Law's backstory and relationship with Doffy and Corazon is what makes his character good . His personality on the other hand , while believable , is just not fun as other characters and i rather see someone else than Law who has outstay his welcome .
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Nobody actually complains because of Law's character. People are complaining because of his ill defined powers and lack of limits to them. Also, because he show steals from everybody.
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@Doffy.:
People are pissed because Law isn't a "fun" character compare to the strawhats who have far more lovable personalities then Law . At least to me .
Law's backstory and relationship with Doffy and Corazon is what makes his character good . His personality on the other hand , while believable , is just not fun as other characters and i rather see someone else than Law who has outstay his welcome .
I don't think anyone has a problem with his personality.. As Verus wrote, it is his powers and screen time which have drawn most, if not all, of the complaints.
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@uniaka:
The Heart pirates are more likely to help Sanji and his crew. It could be that SH run to Zou, at Heart pirates location, Big mom pirates follow them and the fight moves there.
Would not be much of a point for Jimbe to leave the crew 1-2 days ago and now return, too early.
On: Trebol isn't that crap, he likely took out Law with that last explosion.
And how badass is to almost defeat the enemy with the hand that was cut? I laugh at people who say Zoro is badass.
Well yeah but rapid events like that have been going on in this comic since the beginning. It's been 3 or 4 years since Jinbe gave his statement about one day rejoining the crew and even back then everyone suspected that he would probably be gone for a week tops before all these Emperor adventures were dealt with. He was always going to return early relative to his statement.
My main point is that Jinbe's story isn't behind the current time line but is taking place in the future. I can't imagine it's going to mean too much in the long run but it is really strange. Depending on how long his story goes we could very well see ripple effects of Doflamingo's defeat before he is even defeated! Now I don't really expect anything like that but I wonder why Oda went that route with Jinbe's time line. Maybe it wasn't intentional at all and will be corrected later.
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He didn't in the Manga Panda translation.
Think about that for a sec
The MANGA PANDA TRANSLATION
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Think about that for a sec
The MANGA PANDA TRANSLATION
Yes? That was the only translation out at the time.
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I am not sure what I think about the dwarves scene.
It's just that I don't think there was that much animosity between him and the dwarves. He just totally defeated them when they tried to take them down, but that was all. Just too situational. It would be different if he was the one who kidnapped Mansherry's or if he was torturing the dwarves that were in the factory. The connection between the parts here just seem too weak to justify that.
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Okay I think I can help with explaining Law's powers (again).
Let me just quote myself.. and bold the important parts.
Okay um, I'll assume you interpreted the last 2 chapters as Law not using CoA against Trebol right? Well yes that's true, due to his room.
Think of his powers as literally an operating room, he's the surgeon and that he has all the "tools" available.His regular cuts/incisions in his room are amputations. "Radio Knife" isn't a regular cut/incision however and that whoever is cut, regardless of what type of body - they have cannot reform (for a few minutes). [hide][/hide]
His attacks like Scalpel can make someone bleed when not used correctly (Doflamingo's cheeks).
Now you might think why doesn't he just imbue his incisions with CoA and cut/inflict damage that way? He can use CoA, and he did use it against Vergo. However like I'm trying to explain, in his room, depending on what "tools" he uses, the effect is all the same - only that his CoA defeated Vergo's CoA.
Hope that helped.
So that panel above ^ and this chapter combined not only confirms that Trebol can reattach his body (for example- from Usopp's attack), that panel also shows why Law used Radio Knife at that time.
To make it a lot clearer, the key to defeating Trebol this chapter is Law's (measly) room. Trebol became angry and since Law couldn't move, thought it was safe to get close. Law used Tact - now if this was a regular cut, made from his.. attached arm then it would only amputate Trebol – which would do nothing (why Radio Knife was necessary for Trebol). However, this Sterben (Death) attack is but a random cut due to his Tact ability - while being in the "operating room". Similarly to how Law made Doflamingo bleed missing his Mes (Scalpel) attack against him - yet no blood against Smoker – it was not done properly.
In short, his fruit is called Ope-Ope (Operation) for a reason. Though it is questionable if Law can perform Sterben with his arm attached. Lastly, I said this before but Logia = nature, so I am not surprised if Trebol is indeed paramecia this whole time and is just able to reattach his body.
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Maybe it's because Law is 3/4 dead doing that, not just bloodied and bruised.
Like Luffy when he defeated Lucci and many other opponents, but oh well, Law haters are getting worse than Zoro fanboys.
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Oh, I noticed the thread is a lot more positive now.
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This thread consists too much of people whining about Law being able to lift a finger.
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To be honest, people complaining about Law all the time has gotten really annoying. Like, can't you people have any intellectual discussions, and not just "i tink LAW is ovERPOwered i wANT HIm to DIEEE how did the HAAAki work i wANT LUFfy to do hte hakI SMASH rape joke lol". Jesus christ, like, can't we talk about how Dofla is sort of a representation of Nurture vs Nature? The relationship between Doffy and the execs? How the Donquixote Pirates do their laundry?
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I got the feeling of watching Meruem and his guards(HXH) from Dofla's flashback. Especially remind me the butterfly dude.Was he bad? Sure. But I would guess the executives played quite a role on the way he is now. Burning down a city because he fell down… Interestingly enough the 4 executives seemed to have been a group already. I like the design of Diamente from back then and notice Pika being the only one not talking.
From the flashback I guess Vergo and Dofla are self made when it comes to martial arts. I easily imagine them training together to get better. As far as Dofla wanting to be pirate king it seems to be more of Trebol and the others goal than his own. He's just enjoying the view of being at the top.
Law pulling out a last move, once again? Standard procedure at this point. I fully expect another one for the Doffla against Luffy fight. He really has a thing when it comes to pulling new techniques whenever the previous lost novelty. The flying arm was fun anyway so hurray.
The discovery of Trebol being that skinny was fun. Not sure it makes much sense or if Oda tried to much to set up that joke but it was still fun. ut you got to be stupid beyond reason and short-memory problem if you are still stepping on Law's room at point. Especially after warning Doffly a couple of minutes ago. I would point out he was beaten by the severed hand of a almost dead one-hand man but that would be disregarding Law ability to bring hax into play no matter how badly hurt he is or his stamina level.
I found the Doffly and Trebol part quite silly with their "I want smash Law head with my foot" "yeah just smash him Doffly" "Wait I'm gonna do it" "Whoops he got us but we're still gonna kill him again". But at least the fight seems to have finally start and royal haki is on the table. Not a fan of it being useful for battle but I know a lot were hoping for it.
Not sure how I feel about the fight still on hold at that point. At least Trebol saved us from many chapter of going back to Doffly considering how far he was flying. Considering blood was drawn from serious Luffy I bet on Luffy having protect Law from the explosion and being mad (again) for the state his friend was put in. I think Luffy is suppose to be immune to explosion.
Well maybe we will at least get some insight on Haki use in battle. The royal one.
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Darn it!!!! Jinbe stayed over night with the sea monsters! Now his cover story is in fact a head of main story's time line. Curses I wanted him involved with Big Mom and Sanji's group yesterday!!!!
But there is still time, Dressrosa isn't over yet so I suppose anything could happen.
why ahead? more than a day has passed since jinbe left from fishman island,at least.
we even saw a night pass when they were waiting for dofla's answerthat being said,i don't think he'll get involved
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why ahead? more than a day has passed since jinbe left from fishman island,at least.
we even saw a night pass when they were waiting for dofla's answerthat being said,i don't think he'll get involved
It's not even a full day, not yet anyway, just later that night. During Jinbe's story he got todays news paper stating that Law and Luffy teamed up as well as Doflamingo resigning. The day that paper was released was the day Law and the Straw Hat's went to work on Dressrosa. So pretty much all of Jinbe's cover story has been happening not too far from Dressrosa on the same day. Now though night has fallen, and presumably everything on Dressrosa is settled. I just want to know what that means for the story, if anything. If the next cover page is Jinbe setting out for Big Mom the next morning we could potentially get insight on Doflamingo's fall from grace before it actually happens. Nothing major of course.
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Yeah, I'm gonna let the rest of you guys to talk about rather or not it's BS for Law to be able to do one thing with his powers.
I'm also not falling for that last cliffhanger line, I know Law will ultimately survive this situation.
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This chapter was a win for me. If only because I got to see Franky, however briefly.
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It's not even a full day, not yet anyway, just later that night. During Jinbe's story he got todays news paper stating that Law and Luffy teamed up as well as Doflamingo resigning. The day that paper was released was the day Law and the Straw Hat's went to work on Dressrosa. So pretty much all of Jinbe's cover story has been happening not too far from Dressrosa on the same day. Now though night has fallen, and presumably everything on Dressrosa is settled. I just want to know what that means for the story, if anything. If the next cover page is Jinbe setting out for Big Mom the next morning we could potentially get insight on Doflamingo's fall from grace before it actually happens. Nothing major of course.
I think Oda would miss a big opportunity if he didn't somehow tease us with future events on Jinbe's cover story.
That or maybe resolve one of the unresolved plots. Like that missing Samurai. It would suck if SH actually had to spend time looking for him.
Since it's already night time, I doubt he's going to run into Sunny. By now, they should have already found a place to hide. Or gotten captured.
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I, for one, am glad that Trebol wasn
t just bitchslapped away by Luffy without problems and did something before going down. I definitely agree wit what Coruscation said, the Top Executives especially didn
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@Doffy.:
People are pissed because Law isn't a "fun" character compare to the strawhats who have far more lovable personalities then Law . At least to me .
Law's backstory and relationship with Doffy and Corazon is what makes his character good . His personality on the other hand , while believable , is just not fun as other characters and i rather see someone else than Law who has outstay his welcome .
I'm in the same boat as you. I love badasses…But for some reason Law is crazy bland to me. His power is crazy. And he keeps getting back up. If it was a Strawhat or Bart I would be rooting for him to get back up. But now I just want the explosion to knock him unconscious long enough for him to see Luffy defeat DD.
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I meant to ask about this earlier, so dunno if this was addressed in between the time I last checked and now, but I was hoping to get some clarification on something:
In an earlier chapter, we see Doflamingo killing his father. I had thought the Executives knew this, too. Yet, in a part of this chapter's flashback, the executives are shocked that Doffy apprently survived nearly being killed in Marie Jois and that they killed his father. This made me think that Doflamingo was, in fact, playing them from day one.
However, some other posts here suggested that this was after he tried and failed to take his father's head back to the Celestial Dragons. I also noticed that Doflamingo seemed to be dressed differently in that portion of flashback vs the very start when Trebol approached him (darker shirt, no bandages on his head that I could see).
Is there a mistranslation somewhere in this or am I missing something?
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Please Oda! Let Kinemon cut this explosion-kozaru.
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I meant to ask about this earlier, so dunno if this was addressed in between the time I last checked and now, but I was hoping to get some clarification on something:
In an earlier chapter, we see Doflamingo killing his father. I had thought the Executives knew this, too. Yet, in a part of this chapter's flashback, the executives are shocked that Doffy apprently survived nearly being killed in Marie Jois and that they killed his father. This made me think that Doflamingo was, in fact, playing them from day one.
However, some other posts here suggested that this was after he tried and failed to take his father's head back to the Celestial Dragons. I also noticed that Doflamingo seemed to be dressed differently in that portion of flashback vs the very start when Trebol approached him (darker shirt, no bandages on his head that I could see).
Is there a mistranslation somewhere in this or am I missing something?
It's a mistranslation definitely.
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so trebol got defeated by an arm? cmon oda why did you hype the officers and then made them fall like fools?
Life lesson when reading these kinds of series: Never emotionally invest yourself in the villain team, because unless some of them become good guys, like Baby 5's case for now, sooner or later, they all will fall victim to the Shonen Hero trope.
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@Jet:
Life lesson when reading these kinds of series: Never emotionally invest yourself in the villain team, because unless some of them become good guys, like Baby 5's case for now, sooner or later, they all will fall victim to the Shonen Hero trope.
Or as I say Doffy should have read the evil overlord list.
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To be honest, people complaining about Law all the time has gotten really annoying. Like, can't you people have any intellectual discussions, and not just "i tink LAW is ovERPOwered i wANT HIm to DIEEE how did the HAAAki work i wANT LUFfy to do hte hakI SMASH rape joke lol".
This thread consists too much of people whining about Law being able to lift a finger.
Like Luffy when he defeated Lucci and many other opponents, but oh well, Law haters are getting worse than Zoro fanboys.
Seriously? The guy has been cliff-hanger dead for a month and has pulled off two separate hail mary attacks in the last two chapters. Can you not see how that wouldn't bug people?
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As a poster above said, the issue isn't that the Seats/High Executives were too weak. It's that they didn't get nearly as enjoyable and extensive showings as they in mine and apparently quite a few others' opinions deserved. Diamante's showings were so, so meager and his fight was all broken up into little pieces, then ended quickly. Trebol's stuff has been spread out across the entire arc doing only very little at a time and virtually none of it, even less than for Diamante, happened in a context of fluid fighting. Pica had it the best but there were still problems, they have been discussed to death however. Now Vergo was very impactful in everything he did and went down well but I still would have liked to see more of him. Aside from beating on a hopeless Law he only had a short scuffle with Sanji and a short scuffle with Smoker on-panel. Again, elongated - in terms of sequential on-panel time, not in-universe time passed - encounters is what would have helped. I find it very frustrating that Oda seems to restrict these nearly exclusively to Luffy and to an extent Zoro these days.
In short, Oda is just being way too stingy with the panel time he gives to these guys imo. They have such great designs, personalities and interesting abilities but we just don't get any fluid focused fighting. Instead we keep getting these quick scuffle-type encounters which are constantly broken up into pieces and a lot of the time end very abruptly with the now-infamous "one-shots". It simply doesn't feel like these characters get the respect and focus that used to be accorded elite lieutenants such as Daz Bones or Kaku. I even think Chess and Kuromarimo got a more focused fight with more interaction of abilities and choreography than Trebol and Diamante…
I know criticism of this nature has probably been raised a thousand times before but this is where I'm personally coming from in finding the High Executives disappointing. It's not that I find them too weak at all. That's not my problem. I wanted to see more of them and see it in the good old style that's worked so well so many times before, sequential, fluid fighting with lots of interesting banter accompanying the interesting fighting. I love their concepts and I also really appreciate that Oda stepped outside the norm of simply lining up a bunch of convenient 1v1s. All the officers have been running around and doing their own things the whole arc compared CP9 and BW sitting in their lair and then going out for convenient 1v1 battles (with some mix-ups, granted). It made the officers come alive and feel more like individual characters than simply a battery of mooks to be fought and defeated. That's why there was so much promise here and why it stings so much that when the time came to deliver we mostly got a slew of rushed and broken up encounters.
My post was specifically made for the people who found the executives being taken out too easily, this place is not in short supply of them.
The issue of screen time and pacing is a separate one that I don't think it's a big deal.
There are plenty of people here complaining that they're sick of being on Dressrosa. It's longest arc so far. Oda once said that if he got to draw everything he wanted One Piece would never end and I believe him. Someone has to say Oda, you can't draw everything and Oda has to make the decision to show what he feels are the most important things to show in the best way possible. I think considering the scope of the arc and the huge cast of characters he's done an amazing job. When people re-read Dressrosa unattached to the chapter-by-chapter week-to-week formula I think they'll have a much better appreciation of Oda's editing.
This arc isn't CP9's battle tower where it's straight up SHs VS CP9 and we had the best chance to play a matching game of who should be fighting who (which didn't work if anyone remembers the threads back then). This arc isn't Alabasta where the SHs are behind the scenes fighting to help a country in brawls taking place in the back streets of the city. This isn't Enel's game where his Priest have set up unique challenges and wait for prey to fall into their traps. This is a completely different type of scenario. The SH's are in front of an entire country. They're not the only ones capable of fighting the fight. This isn't Doflamingo vs Strawhats. This is Doflamingo vs Dressrosa. So the fight's should show that and in my opinion they have. The screen time is a matter of editing which is just a part of reality.
On a separate issue to the people who don't like Law. Get over it. There's nothing wrong with his personality. You would think watching him get his ass whooped all over Dressrosa would be enough for you. You would think watching him go from calm and collected, to scattered and defeated, to resolved and determined, would be enough to give that character some life to your eyes but nope. You're all still acting like he's this emotionless Im Too Kool For Skool douchebag. You can not like him, that's fine. But stop trying to dress it up like Oda didn't do the work to make him into a solid character because he did. You don't like that he has so much screen time. GET USED TO IT. He's in an alliance. He's a bonafide SH for probably the next 80 chapters, maybe more. He's here to stay until they defeat Kaido and yes he's going to be a big part of that fight.
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I, for one, am glad that Trebol wasn
t just bitchslapped away by Luffy without problems and did something before going down. I definitely agree wit what Coruscation said, the Top Executives especially didn
t get enough focus in their fights. Still, this was a lot more Trebol focus than I was expecting at this point.Honestly, I started feeling sorry for him during last chapter, and it didn't change during this one. It's like the guy just can't do anything right. First he captures Luffy with his glue. Luffy uses some punches to his belly to try to shake him off. If he had used like, Hawk Gattling, Trebol would have probably been knocked down from the palace. But he got lucky for once (depending how you look at it). Ended up entering Law's Room, not heeding his own warning from the last chapter, thinking the guy who's tricked them like a dozen times in the past 24 hours can't do anything any more, despite the guy telling him like a minute ago that he can still do stuff in exchange for his life. Poor guy. In the end, he probably only managed to burn himself.
Out of all those predictions that fire would be the end of him, I really doubt anyone honestly thought Trebol would be the one knocking Trebol out with it.
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@Galaxy:
Why would the presence of a Yonko make them feel relieved?
One of their main oppressors pretty much got treated the same way they did (same squeal and all).
obviously the bad translation fucked me over gg forget what i said
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If he's not a logia then surviving being cut into pieces 2 times was a plot hole.
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Deleted the post because I remembered Usopp cutting him with razor leaves and Law cutting him with Gamma Knife. He shouldn't have been able to survive that if he wasn't a logia.
For now, I'm going to assume he is a Logia, but his "big body" was just his Logia powers, kinda like Caesar Clown's gas clothes? That's why Luffy's punches didn't hurt him, as they went through his "clothes" and didn't touch his actual body.