ONCE AGAIN - I WAS RIIIIGHT WITH TREBOL BEING PARAMECIA
Also Pica is a logia.
Also Vergo being only one without Devil Fruit out of 5(Doffy and Seats) would be pretty weird thing in my opinion
ONCE AGAIN - I WAS RIIIIGHT WITH TREBOL BEING PARAMECIA
Also Pica is a logia.
Also Vergo being only one without Devil Fruit out of 5(Doffy and Seats) would be pretty weird thing in my opinion
On that note, this the third time within last four chapters that Law's death has been a cliffhanger.
This is getting really silly.
Especially with Dwarfs magicaly sensing Trebol's fate or something…
Also couldn't this cover page be last week cover page? Oo Jinbe having a feast with the people he helped like a good Strawhat does but still it could have happened last week.
I think he's just trying to drag it out since he's out of cover story ideas.
When Trebol explained how the family mended Doffy into what he is today, it felt similar to Vergo vs. Law and how Vergo ended up being a mindless puppet.. Right now Doffy feels the same, although I hope that changes
Although Law could have just been trying to bait Trebol, I think his whole 'Doffy is actually using you' comment will be pretty accurate. Pretty curious to see how much of what we've come to know as Doflamingo's aspirations are his own, and how much they're just things the executives have projected onto him.
He didn't in the Manga Panda translation.
The Mangapanda translation is never trustworthy.
@Bond:
Since Aohige won't be summarising, allow me this opportunity to summarize for all of you.
Though keep in mind, I'm translating from the Chinese version, not the Japanese RAW. Some details may differ with the final release.Title is "Embodiment of Evil"
! Cover Page is Wadatsumi and friends having a party.
! Luffy stops Doflamingo's haki coated stomp with a haki coated kick of his own.
Trebol comments that it's a clash of Conqueror's Haki and is surprised that Luffy possesses it too.
Law also appears to be surprised.
! Flashback to Trebol finding Doflamingo as a kid. Dofla claims that everyone just fainted all of a sudden, to which Trebol clarifies is the result of Conqueror's Haki.
Trebol tells him that he has the disposition of a king, then provides him with the power for revenge: a pistol and a Devil Fruit.
! Back to the present scuffle and Trebol remarks how Luffy still stands no chance against Dofla. His very existence caused chaos and his fate gave him rage. He is a man who has been polished into a fearsome Yasha.
! As the fight continues, Luffy gets kicked into Trebol's sticky body.
With Luffy incapacitated, Dofla slowly walks towards Law to finish him off. Luffy struggles to release himself, even punching Trebol with his haki coated punches, but Trebol isn't harmed a bit.
Trebol denies being a logia, and says how that wouldn't work against him anyway, to which Law confirms.
Law also says he didn't want the Heart seat because it was embarrassing to be considered to be on the same level as Trebol.
! Trebol is enraged and covers Law with his explosive slime. He asks Dofla to step aside as he plans to teach Law a lesson.
30 years ago, they discovered this kid with infinite potential, who had fallen from the heavens to the land of mere mortals.
It was the four seated officers who gave him power, and raised him to be the embodiment of evil.
Even when Dofla brought Homing's head to Mariejois, they rejected him and almost killed him. It's a miracle he managed to escape alive.
And so the officers pledge their allegiance to their king Doflamingo.
When Dolfamingo gets hurt by someone, Trebol goes and kills him.
When Doflamingo trips and scrapes his knee on a street, they burn down the whole town.
Listen well, Doffy. You are a king. You absolutely cannot allow any dissenters to live. One day, you will become the King of the Seas!!
! Trebol claims that the entire Doflamingo crew supported Dofla like family. Law thinks they're all just a bunch of mindless puppets being controlled by Doflamingo.
Trebol attacks Law in a fury, but Dofla notices he has his ROOM up and warns him!
Trebol doesn't care and says he's too weak to do anything anyway, and goes in for the kill!
Sword of Death! Law Chambres the severed arm holding his sword and cuts Trebol in half, severely wounding him!
! The dwarves suddenly all gaze towards the tower. They don't know why, but they claim to feel a great sense of relief.
! Trebol is revealed to be a skinny man coated with copious amounts of mucus.
In his final moments, he uses his staff to ignite the slime, causing a big explosion!
It's not clearly stated what he is, but the line in this chapter seems to indicate not a logia. Otherwise that whole conversation makes no sense.
called it that Trebol was not a logia
But the fighting was good, and the flashback stuff was well written. It was not a bad chapter.
It's just the usual Law shenanigans, alongside with Trebol not being a logia, despite everything thus far implying otherwise, and random pointless dwarf pages somewhat drag it down.
It was just a few chapters ago I was hoping we would get to see a representation of CoC clashing and….. well here it is.
The 4 of them basically saw the potential in Doffy, I don't think this makes him a victim of anything. He was evil incarnate from birth, Rocinante said as much, and as soon as they give him a chance at revenge, he's like oh yeah, let me kill the gazillion people I hate.
The seats' responsibility in all this was, I guess, training and preparing him to be the real head honcho of the OP world, not making him evil.
Or at least that's how I understood this.
Yes, but they kind of had him on a string the whole time, mending him into what he is. They deliberately killed everyone standing up to him in the slightest. Trebols attitude, which I didn't like, is also an indication to this. But maybe that's just me.
ONCE AGAIN - I WAS RIIIIGHT WITH TREBOL BEING PARAMECIA
Also Pica is a logia.
Where does it say he is a paramecia..
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Although Law could have just been trying to bait Trebol, I think his whole 'Doffy is actually using you' comment will be pretty accurate. Pretty curious to see how much of what we've come to know as Doflamingo's aspirations are his own, and how much they're just things the executives have projected onto him.
This might be true as well, we'll just have to see the next chapter.
For those saying Law's attack allows you to put yourself back together… he said that attack would permanently dismember you shortly.
http://bato.to/read/_/291094/one-piece_ch760_by_powermanga/7
"for a few minute's time…"
Trebol stays cut like that until the flashback starts at the end of the next chapter. Next time we see him, once the flashback is over, he finally has put himslef back together obviously because those few minutes had already gone by. The same would've happened to a fruitless person.
I wonder how Law will almost die next chapter…
Before I even go through the thread and post any serious comment I got to say Trebol got defeated my an harm I laugh but I can't say whether it was funny or ridiculous, first part of the chapter was great though
Read posts above and quote from Aohige.
I did, and it does not confirm he is not a Logia. I will wait for a better translation, but he could've been doing the same as Aokiji did, or Law's attack could be nullifying his powers.
Awesome chapter . So far i am really loving Luffy and Doflamingo confrontation . Also it was really nice seeing that little flashback . Hope to see little more of that in future chapters .
Edit: The visuals this week was really damn great especially Luffy and Doffy pissed off face and their silenced fight .
On that note, this the third time within last four chapters that Law's death has been a cliffhanger.
This is getting really silly.
Especially with Dwarfs magicaly sensing Trebol's fate or something…
only seems silly if you read in weekly format.
Vol wise it don't mean much.
Chapter was great this week .
@The:
I really thought Trebol was a logia. That was really a nice reveal. I will admit Law is really pushing it with his apparently limitless life span, stamina, or whatever lets him use his power. It's kind of annoying.
It really makes no sense to me.He should be a logia.
Law sliced him in pieces some chapters before with radio knife…and even Usopp cut him in half in the anime.I'm truly confused.
To be fair, Law didn't received any further damage this time. And the fire explosion at the end? Pffft, that's the OP-equivalence of a real world fly landing on you skin.
Man, Trebol is creepy as shit without his glasses.
I suppose the flashback in this chapter perfectly illustrates Rocinante's statement about the original 4 seats knowing about Doffy's true nature.
The 4 of them basically saw the potential in Doffy, I don't think this makes him a victim of anything. He was evil incarnate from birth, Rocinante said as much, and as soon as they give him a chance at revenge, he's like oh yeah, let me kill the gazillion people I hate.
The seats' responsibility in all this was, I guess, training and preparing him to be the real head honcho of the OP world, not making him evil.
Or at least that's how I understood this.
Fully agree .
It really makes no sense to me.He should be a logia.
Law sliced him in pieces some chapters before with radio knife…and even Usopp cut him in half in the anime.I'm truly confused.
Law slice every one to pieces that is part of his DF power .
Ussop slice him but that can be explain by the pic that guy drew.
only seems silly if you read in weekly format.
Vol wise it don't mean much.Chapter was great this week .
… Eh? I'm sorry, I agree that reading One Piece in volume format does improve the experience, but I fail to see how it does so in this particular case...
How are three cliffhanger regarding Law's death better when read consecutively, instead of weekly?
Damn, that chapter was awesome despite a few problems! :D
I hope Oda explores a little of Doffy and Vergo`s relationship in future chapters . I have been dying to see that ever since chapter 694 came out .
For those wondering, Sterben is german and a medical term for Death.
@sabinis:
Also Pica is a logia.
Nope.
Luffy and Dofla are whaling on each other, nice.
Seems Trebol is far from done.
… Eh? I'm sorry, I agree that reading One Piece in volume format does improve the experience, but I fail to see how it does so in this particular case...
How are three cliffhanger regarding Law's death better when read consecutively, instead of weekly?
Because there are not cliffhangers in vol format because you don't have to wait weeks to find out events .
Awesome chap…though trebol not beeing logia came outta nowhere ^^
... doffy noticed the "room" a little switch now and trebol blows up doffy xD though that won't happen I'd love to see that! Nice fighting scenes overall a really nice chap.
awesome chapter. i think the reason why Trebol got defeated easily coz he's old and dumb? O.o
can't wait for next week :)
I'll start by saying Law is alive and will attack Doflamingo again.
Or… Oda kept giving us "law is dead cliffhangers" so much that we wouldn't believe he had died this chapter. But will shock us all if he actually died.
Then again Law didn't smile. He's a D. Sooo he's probably not dead.. That goes back to my first sentence..
But the fighting was good, and the flashback stuff was well written. It was not a bad chapter.
It's just the usual Law shenanigans, alongside with Trebol not being a logia, despite everything thus far implying otherwise, and random pointless dwarf pages somewhat drag it down.
The dwarfs were not random.
When Trebol finally was hurt, he squealed like the Tontattas when he squished them under his foot.
Dwarves were basically feeling "somehow I have this strange 'revenge is sweet' feeling"
For those wondering, Sterben is german and a medical term for Death.
Nope.
Not exactly a medical term, it's an everyday word and pretty much means "to die/dying", nothing more than that.
This cliffhanger is hardly hinging on whether Law is dead or not.
It's more of a "woah, Trebol just blew up the top of palace!" sort of thing.
The dwarfs were not random.
When Trebol finally was hurt, he squealed like the Tontattas when he squished them under his foot.
Dwarves were basically feeling "somehow I have this strange 'revenge is sweet' feeling"
This is awesome, I love the dwarves
I suppose this also sheds more light on Trebol's freak out when Doffy's knees nearly touched the ground last week.
Building Doffy into the king of the sea has been his mission for decades.
Trebol's comment when Luffy was surprised he couldn't hit him feels like he's downplaying logias, the said strongest devil fruits. That got me thinking that maybe his power came form a Smile and not a Devil Fruit.
The dwarfs were not random.
When Trebol finally was hurt, he squealed like the Tontattas when he squished them under his foot.
Dwarves were basically feeling "somehow I have this strange 'revenge is sweet' feeling"
Ow. I know it's a bit late but I assumed they felt the clash of Haki.
What is the deal with De ated?
Enough of Law and Trébol, right?
As expected, Doflamingo is a bit weaker than before and it will only get worse to him as he fights Luffy. Nice to see a Conqueror's Haki/resistance fight, let's see whose determination will win.
The dwarfs were not random.
When Trebol finally was hurt, he squealed like the Tontattas when he squished them under his foot.
Dwarves were basically feeling "somehow I have this strange 'revenge is sweet' feeling"
Ah, so something that got lost in translation. Got it.
The scene sounds better when you describe it like that, though I'm not entirely sure it was necessary still.
That exchange of strikes between Doffy and Luffy was awesome.
Ugh, just hearing Trebol refer to Doflamingo as an embodiment of wrath, just gives me that bad feeling that the Shichibukai will probably be modeled around the 7 deadly sins, (Hopefully I'm wrong, please don't do this Oda)
Now on the topic of "Trebol Logia"
Oda did state that logias are neither human nor element in their "default form" so one can assume they can choose a form to stay in consistently whether its how they looked like before or not. Maybe Trebol wanted to look more intimidating, so he just changed his original form (akin to Ceasar Clown and his gaseous appearance), and after getting enough damage he just couldn't keep his "preferred form" anymore.
Hopefully this makes sense. (It made sense in my head lol)
The dwarfs were not random.
When Trebol finally was hurt, he squealed like the Tontattas when he squished them under his foot.
Dwarves were basically feeling "somehow I have this strange 'revenge is sweet' feeling"
franky was quivering as well , i hope this has something to do with the danger koala was talking about in the castle
Actually I don't mind the arm so much. It's rather macabre when you think about it–Law using his own severed arm that's been lying on the ground for a while to get a sneak attack on Trebol. No way Trebol could have predicted that. This is also significant because this may be one of the few (only?) times in the entire series in which the #2 strongman in the arc was defeated by underhanded means rather than brute force (aka a "traditional" 1-on-1 duel)
As for him being able to avoid getting sliced by Usopp, it seems very likely he's able to "swim" in his own mucus somewhat similar to Magellan in his Hydra. The only reason this worked is that Trebol didn't see it coming.
Trebol was pretty interesting though, and it's interesting to wonder just what kind of a scumbag Trebol was in order to put so much effort into making Doflamingo into a killing machine. Is Trebol part of a larger organization that got side-tracked once Doflamingo started calling the shots?
Lastly, this is the first time we've seen a clear advantage to being a paramecia vs a logia -- Armament Haki is useless against it, at least the sub-type that create/merge with protective substances like Pica & Trebol. An extra clue as to why Impel Down had a paramecia as a warden instead of a logia.
Trebol's comment when Luffy was surprised he couldn't hit him feels like he's downplaying logias, the said strongest devil fruits. That got me thinking that maybe his power came form a Smile and not a Devil Fruit.
SMILES are a very recent thing though. Trebol has had the fruit ever since around the time of the Corazon flashback (even earlier than that, probably).
Because there are not cliffhangers in vol format because you don't have to wait weeks to find out events .
Hmm, true that, but that leaves those scenes in a weird place. While I don't have to wait, the scenes are written as if I did.
Anyways, it's just something I found slightly silly.
It might sound like he's downplaying logias, but really he's just following through with a theme we've already seen in The New World.
Logia's just ain't what they used to be.
@Galaxy:
This cliffhanger is hardly hinging on whether Law is dead or not.
It's more of a "woah, Trebol just blew up the top of palace!" sort of thing.
I don't think so either. It's more to the point of how seriously injured/incapacitated either Law or Luffy is afterward.
Also I'm curious if Trebol became susceptible to the blast. His mucus melting off seemed to indicate he passed out and lost his powers right before dropping the flame.
I trust the word about him not being a Logia according to the conversation, but it really would have made more sense if he were one. He could still create slime around him to trick people into attacking the parts where his real body isn't, just like what happened with Luffy there. Now the scene with Usopp is suddenly massively contrived. On the flip side, I am glad that he's not a Logia on the basis that "sticky sticky fruit" never seemed to fit as one to me. Logia are meant to be forces of nature. Even now we don't know what Trebol's substance actually is, so it fits better for it to be some Paramecia-produced substance than a supposed force of nature that's never even defined properly. If it stands between avoiding one contrived scene and keeping the Logia theming consistent, I'm happy we're getting the latter.
Trebol's defeat was hilarious, but I'm still left with the bitter feeling of disappointment about his overall character. We already had the scene where he underestimated Law and paid for it. We also already had a scene where he told Doflamingo not be careful with Law, and Doffy paid for being so. How many times in one fight can these jokers underestimate Law and pay for it? Making it the condition for the last High Executive's defeat, with Law in such an abysmal state, is a bit of a shame. I'm not saying I have any other brilliant ideas, but then, that's not my job. I've seen Oda make the boss's top lieutenants go down in so much more satisfying ways before. The reason it stings so much is that Doffy's top lieutenants, character-, design- and interaction-wise pretty solidly kick almost all the rest to the curb. My expectations for these guys were sky high.
Now then. We did get some of what I was afraid we wouldn't: elaboration on Doflamingo's relationship with the High Executives, how he met them, what they really are to him. This is pretty interesting. For almost 100 chapters now we've followed Doffy and his strange mixture of cruel and, when it comes to his family, caring. Even now it's hard to pinpoint just what his family is to him. He wants to feel like the all-powerful family head he believes himself fated and entitled to be. He wants his family to obey him absolutely, even die for him, and in return he is protective and fair. But the 4 original executives hold a special place amongst all this. According to Trebol the true family are the five of them. We know since before they're Doffy's true core crew, the ones who really know him. They even believe themselves to be the ones that turned him into what he is today and what he'll be in the future. But then Law raises the question of whether even that is true. Maybe as Doflamingo grew into maturity, or maybe even from the start, they were puppets to him, albeit puppets he sincerely cared for and shared more of his real self with than anyone else. I don't know the answer. But I do know that the fact that I'm even pondering something like this is a testament to the quality of these antagonists. This kind of thing wouldn't even be a question with any past group of villains. They were effective in their villainy, sometimes very effective, but mostly one-note. Comparatively, Doflamingo and his family display so much more diversity, complexity and humanity in their characters and relationships with one another that they completely steal the show in this arc even in spite of the often shoddy execution.
Luffy and Doffy's little skirmish was good fun. It's a bit annoying that it was the what… 5th "little skirmish" this arc to be swiftly broken up by some plot thing Oda really wanted to do. But it was the best and longest one so far and definitely shed the most light on their abilities relative each other.
Fully agree .
Law slice every one to pieces that is part of his DF power .
Ussop slice him but that can be explain by the pic that guy drew.
If you watch the anime scene again,Trebol's nude torso appears being cute…the draw pic in this forum doesn't fit with that scene.
@Mr.:
Lastly, this is the first time we've seen a clear advantage to being a paramecia vs a logia – Armament Haki is useless against it, at least the sub-type that create/merge with protective substances like Pica & Trebol. An extra clue as to why Impel Down had a paramecia as a warden instead of a logia.
Haki works against any opponent. IF he's not a logia, then the parts Luffy hit were just mucus, which looked like his real body.
If he's not a logia then surviving being cut into pieces 2 times was a plot hole.
Not necessarily. We don't even know the extent of his powers as of now.
@Bond:
Before anyone gets the wrong idea, there's a serious error in the Mangapanda translation.
The people at Mariejois didn't cut off the head of Dofla's dad. Dofla brought the head to Mariejois himself.
That's what the Chinese version says anyway.
Thanks. Almost came to the conclusion that Doffy had lied to the seats.