Surprised nobody mentioned that Ace 2.0 will probably be the one to fight Akainu in the end.
He already fought Kuzan 2.0 though.
Chapter 768: That trigger on that day
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…..Monet. .?
We're going to assume that Fujitora is nice admiral like Kuzan and Green Bull is evil admiral like Akainu.
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Surprised nobody mentioned that Ace 2.0 will probably be the one to fight Akainu in the end.
Akainu is an incompetent idiot though
Hopefully he fights someone a little better
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How is Akainu incompetent.
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How is Akainu incompetent.
morally (a-sixteen chars babeh)
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Hi guys, do we all agree that Zoro is a Yonko level because in the last chapter we saw him blocking Fujitora strongest attack easily and he send him flying outside the birdcage and now he pretty much stomping Pica.
i don't know about "yonkou level" and i especially don't like fake strength categorizing fantasies, but i am 100% ok with zoro curbstomping pica. pica doesn't even come of as a sword fighter to me. zoro is fighting what seems to be a logia (is that confirmed?), his second, if pica is, which seems to me leagues stronger than monet who seemed to rely too much on her fruit. pica shouldn't be easy, but yeah, i don't care if zoro takes zero damage. after dressrosa though, things should get interesting.
and yes, i intentionally skipped the ridiculous "revenge" argumentHEAVY VOODOO-PANTHER SALVO!
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after dressrosa though, things should get interesting.
After Fishman Island things should get interesting…
After Punk Hazard things should get interesting…
After Dressrosa things should get interesting…Will things be interesting for Zoro ever again?
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morally (a-sixteen chars babeh)
Zoro is fighting what seems to be a logia (is that confirmed?), his second, if pica is, which seems to me leagues stronger than monet who seemed to rely too much on her fruit. pica shouldn't be easy, but yeah, i don't care if zoro takes zero damage. after dressrosa though, things should get interesting.Pica is not Logia because his real body can be penetrated without haki and cannot turn himself into stone, only manipulate the stone around him. He is still a paramecia. Think of Magellan, he surrounds himself with poison so he is not a logia.
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After Fishman Island things should get interesting…
After Punk Hazard things should get interesting…
After Dressrosa things should get interesting…Will things be interesting for Zoro ever again?
Ummm…when was Dressrosa not interesting....there's still a lot of shot that needs to go down
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3 against an unknown future number is pretty good odds. and that's only two if he doesn't curbstomp pica. at least this is a real fight.
@Edvon7, thank you.
HEAVY VOODOO-PANTHER SALVO!
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Ummm…when was Dressrosa not interesting....there's still a lot of shot that needs to go down
Zoro is still bored, so that doesn't count.
3 against an unknown future number is pretty good odds. and that's only two if he doesn't curbstomp pica. at least this is a real fight.
They said "FI is not New World it will be hard once they'll get there"
They said "PH is just a prelude, wait till main arc starts"
They said "After DR everything will be extreme"
It happens every arc.It's not a real fight, if Zoro doesn't struggle. And he doesn't, and he most likely won't in the next arc. And probably in one after that.
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fishman island, most people were happy to see the glorious curbstomping, it was cathartic for the time well spent. ph, luffy was dispatched by monet effectively. monet was outspokenly outclassed by both of them. the only threat on ph was caesar, smoker, and vergo. only so many people can fight them 1v1 until people start whining on forums.
and dr, much less their fight, isn't over yet so i don't understand the whining. matchups are just starting. zoro also clashed with fuji very squarely. i don't think he could beat him, but he had to have used formidable armament haki to pop out of the gravity well. and afterwards, fuji commented on his viscious air slash. zoro gets an eternal life pass to be as badass as he wants, in my opinion. oda won't do this all the time, so don't believe what you think.
and there were lots of fights pre-ts he flew through.
HEAVY VOODOO-PANTHER SALVO!
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ehhhh since you're making a thing of it–
First - nobody is whining, "Tone Zoro down" is a legit concern. Zoro doesn't get a life pass. Nobody does.
Second - match ups are just started? around 60th chapter? more setup?! Nope. Never. I really really hope that is not the case.
Third - this is no pre-ts anymore.
Fourth - Endless "Just wait, I'll get better one day" speeches are always pointless. -
I would be super happy with 1 chapter dedicated to each fight happening right now, with a half chapter for some of the minor ones (like Señor Pink/Franky, Baby 5…), at least one for Law/Doffy, and obviously however many it takes for Doffy/Luffy - at least a couple.
That almost certainly won't happen. Big bummer. Still love one piece.
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are you playing a character right now or is this real…
1th - i'm being quite playful, but objective here. ok, glad you understand. don't be concerned, very little real story time has elapsed since leaving saboady. a lot of real life time has passed, but that doesn't mean you need to start having" legit concerns" about two small, small arcs somehow being the indefinite set in stone future precedent. if you are the voice of these people, these people are kind of idiots.
b) - match up are just starting. there's really no arguing reality... not sure what else to say to that kind of crazy comment/reply. it is very much the case, unless you haven't been paying attention to anything.
III - that was merely a comparative argument to quell your legit concerns, not an actual appeal to tradition
quatro - if you know the future, then why are you even here? you can only live in the present. you don't know if it will get better, worse, or stay the same, so please, no emotional POV's, please. -
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Will the chapter come out on Wednesday again?
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I understand the concern with Zoro, he can be a hard character to keep interesting & needs to be challenged so he doesn't become 'guy with sharp pieces of metal'.
The idea of him growing more and more bored like his mentor actually is interesting but it'd be hard to show with so many clourful characters taking up space. I don't know how many panels he appears in this arc (though I'm sure someone, somewhere has a precise count)but his fight with Pica getting a whole chapter (or even a half one!) would go a long way to re-establishing his status as one of the most important Straw Hats. -
First - nobody is whining, "Tone Zoro down" is a legit concern. Zoro doesn't get a life pass. Nobody does.
Second - match ups are just started? around 60th chapter? more setup?! Nope. Never. I really really hope that is not the case.
Third - this is no pre-ts anymore.
Fourth - Endless "Just wait, I'll get better one day" speeches are always pointless.Isn't it obvious that it is the case? We are still not sure who will match up with Trebol, Gladius, Machvise, Lao G, Baby 5, and Dellinger
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and that's just it, if there had been just one single 1v1 chapter for every strawhat in the last two arcs, and this current arc, which would be an awfully boring formula, do you have any idea how many chapters we would be behind story wise? and how lazy it would be to try and advance plot during a fight? just a single chapter. it's a ridiculous and unrealistic demand. what you want isn't good for the story, and that's why i don't care about what you want, and when people try to argue why they should get what they want with asspull arguments with no grip on the reality that they then take up and argue with others and waste space on forums with. they're unrealistic, impatient demands, that end up forming ridiculous arguments and perceptions.
@tangaroa, i agree, that would be a really interesting, albeit difficult thing to pull off. i'm sure there's a way to do it within the manga, and oda would blow us out of the water as always with it.
and yeah, @desa, he will have a challenge, when he faces someone challenging. there are heavy, huge world-sized plotlines being weaved at the moment. i think that's more important than cool images.
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Isn't it obvious that it is the case? We are still not sure who will match up with Trebol, Gladius, Machvise, Lao G, Baby 5, and Dellinger
doom, more setup? nope. never. i really hope the present moment is an accident because i can't handle what i don't even remember reading, and tommorow there better be arbitrary match-ups and entire chapters devoted to them that fly in the face of of how you actually tell a story.
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He probably will get a challenge when he face a top yonko Commander.
zoro level is absolutely yonko comander but not burgess coz he is weak
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waiting for some spoiler :D
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Too early to show Zoro getting challenged IMO. These few years are meant to show how much of a power hike he's gotten. To be fair, as long as it's been since 3D2Y, they haven't fought that many big name fights.
I know New World is supposed to be hyped. I know Zoro is 'boring' without a good challenging fight. But in all honesty I think Oda has this entire thing planned out to the end, and when you look back in retrospect of everything in sequence, you will see the growth in power of the enemies they will face.
Luffy was wiping the floor with most of the people he met until we got to Alabasta, where he fought a Shichibukai. Things were fairly well paced after that until they reached Saboady and faced an Admiral for the first time. Now they've gained all this power, so Oda is showing us how much the Straw Hats have grown. The next big challenge will probably be when they face off the first Yonkou.
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After Fishman Island things should get interesting…
After Punk Hazard things should get interesting…
After Dressrosa things should get interesting…Will things be interesting for Zoro ever again?
When has Zoro done anything interesting?
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zorro is serious type of humanand you dont to F!@# out this guy because theres a monster inside him(i remember the monkey when he was trained by mihawk lol)
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Ummm…when was Dressrosa not interesting....there's still a lot of shot that needs to go down
Like law getting shot 6 times with amber-lead and then getting seastone handcuffed.
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@Miss:
When has Zoro done anything interesting?
I find all of his I-know-this-shit-from-experience dialogue to be interesting when regarding crews, assuming dialogue counts 'cause you are doing something there which is moving your mouth. Examples: guiding Luffy on how he needs to be a beacon for the crew to rely on. Putting his foot down when people were just gonna let Usopp back in willy-nilly at Water Seven, because he knew if people could just go back and forth between being in the crew and not then the crew would become a shaky entity.
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If Luffy isn't even showcased as being able to take down a villain of Doffy's character, how would we be able to take him seriously against a Yonko?
I hope Ace 2.0 stays far, far away from the SH's personally.
Being thrown clean out of the story in general would be even better.
Shame it won't happen.
I wholeheartedly agree but beause of him not going out of the story anywhere soon, it's better to have him around and Oda actually doing something interesting with him instead of just make him an Ace rip-off, which would happen if he disappeared after Dress Rossa to make a cameo here and there throughout the remainder of the story.
Law won't defeat Doula as long as his motivation remains strictly to a guy who died years ago.
Okay Oda
Remember, remember, the 5th of November
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Failure implies a possibility of succes, something that does not exists in example provided by humble myself.
Failure does not imply the possibility of success, it just points out that you didn't succeed. Rebecca failing to defeat Diamante does not imply that she had the possibility of beating him.
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After Fishman Island things should get interesting…
After Punk Hazard things should get interesting…
After Dressrosa things should get interesting…Will things be interesting for Zoro ever again?
Seems to me Oda is cramming too much stuff into arcs as of late. It makes some sense, since we're still in the introductory phase of NW. Bit hopefully next one or two arcs won't be as "epic" and he'll go by the "less is more" motto.
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It kind of doesn't matter how much time passed in-story, when it has been four years in the universe where we live together with author, and if that is a direction author wants to take it, we have right to don't like it and to hope it will change one day. I'm not a voice of anyone, just of humble myself. But ok, everyone who isn't defensive fan is an idiot, believe what you will.
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No they don't. Only Trebol is unaccounted for. Or do you think SH will go back to defeat colosseum officers?
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Really? Grass was greener those days. Except EL, it was bad and everyone who remembers differently is wrong.
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I don't know the future, but I was told it might not necessarily be bright.
As you can see, I pointed out that part of your original post, where you said that after Dressrosa things will be interesting, and noted, that many people before you said exact same things since, well, forever (or 2010 if you prefer), and not many things changed and some got worse. I find that ironic, don't you? So, I also noted that is a bad argument, because potential future doesn't excuse current drawbacks. (Unless you are not an idiot of course, then world is full of unicorns and marshmallow mermaids).He probably will get a challenge when he face a top yonko Commander.
Yeah, but that will not be anywhere near soon probably.
Seems to me Oda is cramming too much stuff into arcs as of late. It makes some sense, since we're still in the introductory phase of NW. Bit hopefully next one or two arcs won't be as "epic" and he'll go by the "less is more" motto.
Agreed on all points. Also, pls no more princesses.
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It sucks when spoilers come and everyone migrates to spoiler thread.
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Revenge is revenge.
Unfortunately, you don't seem to understand the concept in the first place.
Revenge - a harmful action against a person or group in response to a grievance
It's not quite as simple as that.
There has to be some actual link to the person who would seek the revenge.
He got angry that they were hurting Bon so he bit one of them and knocked out the rest.
So yes, it was, by definition, revenge.
Luffy did not want revenge against a pack of barely sentient, hungry wolves.
He wanted to protect his friend.
This isn't a hard distinction to grasp.
It's funny because that was exactly the case with Blackbeard. Had Jinbe not been there he wouldn't have stopped.
This is the only one that bears any resemblance to revenge.
However, considering that Luffy just happened to run into him, and left after a scuffle, does it really seem like Luffy is a man motivated by revenge?
He hasn't shown any indication that he'd like to get even with Blackbeard since then, when the man happened to be right in front of him.
Luffy attacking quite a bit of the people he did, did absolutely nothing since what they did had already been done. He pointlessly attacked them.
That's like saying there's no point in stopping a thief because they've already stolen.
I didn't think this would get dumber than focused revenge on mindless wolves.
You also make it seem as if Law woke up every day and pursued Doflamingo to his last breath.
That wasn't the case at all. He lived his life like everyone else did. Killing Doflamingo was a goal in life, but it was not an absolute priority.
Pretty much everything we've seen from Law has been part of his overall plan of killing Doffy.
Becoming an infamous pirate, being able to become a shichibukai as a result, being able to infiltrate PH because of that status, destroying the SAD room on PH and recruiting the SH's to maneuver Doffy into a confrontation with Kaido etc.
The last 13 years of Law's life have been all about one ultimate goal, and that is to kill Doflamingo.
Hell, he was willing to die himself just to make Doffy vs. Kaido more likely.
Yep, he's really lived his life unburdened lol.
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Blackbeard : " if it wasn't for Ace, you would be the one dying today, Zeeeeehahahaha!"
Rage punch =/= revenge punch
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There has to be some actual link to the person who would seek the revenge.
Like what? You can post whatever definition that suits your argument the best. It doesn't mean a thing. There are dozens of reworded definitions of revenge.
I'm dropping this part of the argument. It's pointless and a waste of time.Luffy did not want revenge against a pack of barely sentient, hungry wolves.
He wanted to protect his friend.
This isn't a hard distinction to grasp.
Right, cause angrily biting a wolf when he could have knocked it out with CoC was called for. We can argue about this for days. Of course he wanted to protect Mr 2 but that doesn't mean that he didn't intend to harm the wolf for harming him. You cannot disprove this since there's nothing contradicting my perception of the scene. You're merely acting as if your perception of the scene is the one and only.
Like I said before, this part of the argument is dropped.This is the only one that bears any resemblance to revenge.
However, considering that Luffy just happened to run into him, and left after a scuffle, does it really seem like Luffy is a man motivated by revenge?
He hasn't shown any indication that he'd like to get even with Blackbeard since then, when the man happened to be right in front of him.
So you finally admit that Luffy attacked Blackbeard out of revenge? That's all I needed to see. The rest of your post is irrelevant to me.
That's like saying there's no point in stopping a thief because they've already stolen
The two situations bear no resemblance.
If you can get back whatever the thief stole then you wouldn't be attacking him out of revenge or for no reason at all.Luffy went after mohji and Richie after witnessing that store being burned down to beat them up.
He himself flat out said " I don't need an apology because it won't bring back Shushu's treasure. And you… I came to get payback from you. He flat out stated that he came for revenge.Becoming an infamous pirate, being able to become a shichibukai as a result, being able to infiltrate PH because of that status, destroying the SAD room on PH and recruiting the SH's to maneuver Doffy into a confrontation with Kaido etc.
Becoming a shichibukai and everything after was meant to get revenge on Do flamingo. There's nothing that says he became a pirate just for that.
The last 13 years of Law's life have been all about one ultimate goal, and that is to kill Doflamingo
This is proven false by Law himself. Back before the time skip he said that they were going after the one piece.
Hell, he was willing to die himself just to make Doffy vs. Kaido more likely.
So what? That was the same case with Ace.
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Like what? You can post whatever definition that suits your argument the best. It doesn't mean a thing. There are dozens of reworded definitions of revenge.
I'm dropping this part of the argument. It's pointless and a waste of time.Except I actually posted a definition for revenge.
You made one up yourself that omits important factors and just happens to suit your argument.
Right, cause angrily biting a wolf when he could have knocked it out with CoC was called for. We can argue about this for days. Of course he wanted to protect Mr 2 but that doesn't mean that he didn't intend to harm the wolf for harming him. You cannot disprove this since there's nothing contradicting my perception of the scene. You're merely acting as if your perception of the scene is the one and only.
Like I said before, this part of the argument is dropped.Lol Luffy couldn't control his CoC pre-timeskip.
He did what he could to protect Betham, not to get revenge on a mindless animal.
So you finally admit that Luffy attacked Blackbeard out of revenge? That's all I needed to see. The rest of your post is irrelevant to me.
I never said that Luffy didn't in that instance.
I said revenge isn't a major motivator for Luffy, which is true.
I mainly took issue with your claim that Luffy "almost always attacks out of revenge"…which I've shown to be ridiculous.
The two situations bear no resemblance.
If you can get back whatever the thief stole then you wouldn't be attacking him out of revenge or for no reason at all.Luffy still had the possibility of getting Ace back yet seemingly attacked Blackbeard out of revenge.
Your silly arguments are starting to contradict each other.
Luffy went after mohji and Richie after witnessing that store being burned down to beat them up.
He himself flat out said " I don't need an apology because it won't bring back Shushu's treasure. And you… I came to get payback from you. He flat out stated that he came for revenge.Show me a scan of him saying this and we'll discuss it.
Luffy can't really seek revenge when nothing has been done to him.
He was essentially taking a stand for a brave little creature that couldn't defend itself.
Once again…not revenge.
Becoming a shichibukai and everything after was meant to get revenge on Do flamingo. There's nothing that says he became a pirate just for that.
Right so about 90% of the things we've seen from Law have been for that goal…but the one that set those up couldn't possibly be linked.
Try making a logical jump from time to time.
This is proven false by Law himself. Back before the time skip he said that they were going after the one piece.
Yet, it's so important to him that he was willing to give up his life to put Doffy in a fatal position.
Having additional goals that you could possibly pursue if you survive your main one doesn't make the main goal any less important.
So what? That was the same case with Ace.
How so?
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Once again…not revenge
You're right. We were both actually incorrect about the term used. The more appropriate term to use would be "avenge" rather than "revenge", which is the term I meant to use. I'll concede this point.
Right so about 90% of the things we've seen from Law have been for that goal…but the one that set those up couldn't possibly be linked.
Using the amount of screentime a character has received is ridiculous. You make is seem as if we followed his entire life after that event. Luffy happened to stumble upon Law when he started to set his plan in motion.
Yet, it's so important to him that he was willing to give up his life to put Doffy in a fatal position.
Having additional goals that you could possibly pursue if you survive your main one doesn't make the main goal any less important.
Ace's main goal was to make whitebeard the PK yet he was willing to die by Blackbeard's hand in pursuit of a side goal, which was avenging Thatch.
Law did make plans to go to other islands which means that he did actually intend to destroy the smile factory and be on his merry way. His plan just failed so his life was put in danger as an effect of that.How so?
He was willing to sacrifice himself to defeat Blackbeard.
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You know what was coming Rob, lol.
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It sucks when spoilers come and everyone migrates to spoiler thread.
You'll always have me <3
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Damn it all! accidentally read 3 words of the spoiler… man they're not holding back over there... can't unread that.. and it was just a fraction of second,, appearenly they put the strongest point of the upcoming chapter first thing over there.. it's like a spoiler's spoiler! never going near that area again until after I fully read the translated chapter.. and I was just curious about whether or not the chapter was coming out today... :'(
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Damn it all! accidentally read 3 words of the spoiler… man they're not holding back over there... can't unread that.. and it was just a fraction of second,, appearenly they put the strongest point of the upcoming chapter first thing over there.. it's like a spoiler's spoiler! never going near that area again until after I fully read the translated chapter.. and I was just curious about whether or not the chapter was coming out today... :'(
I was considering braving the spoilers myself for the very same reason. Thank you for your sacrifice; your courage will be remembered.
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If there are spoilers already that means the chapter should come out soon right?
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You'll always have me <3
Let's repopulate together Razh-kun.
Yaaay, I'm not alone!
I expected the chapter would be out by now. Oh well.
I stopped reading them on the chapter Sabo appeared, after reading and discussing them for like 5 years. All I miss is spoiler discussion, but it was a lot more interesting when there were short summaries from google translate and fake spoilers.
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Damn it all! accidentally read 3 words of the spoiler… man they're not holding back over there... can't unread that.. and it was just a fraction of second,, appearenly they put the strongest point of the upcoming chapter first thing over there.. it's like a spoiler's spoiler! never going near that area again until after I fully read the translated chapter.. and I was just curious about whether or not the chapter was coming out today... :'(
If you don't have the self-control for this, I'd recommend skipping this website entirely when spoilers come out. That way, you won't be tempted. It sounds like something very interesting happens, my guess is Law getting owned. I really hope their fight doesn't get completely skipped in this chapter.
Is the chapter coming out today or tomorrow, as I hear conflicting reports?
