This country is terrible.
This country needs to wake up.
We haven't changed at all.
Random News Article Discussion II
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edit: i retract by previous comment
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The whole situation in Ferguson leaves me disheartened. Another officer goes unpunished for a fatal shooting, the senseless looting and rioting of businesses (I had a bad feeling some shit was gonna go down before they announced the non-indictment), all of it…..
It almost feels like this is this generation's Rodney King riots.
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Were people really expecting a different result here?
Unless there's actual video evidence (and, more importantly, video that is available to the public), law enforcement is going to protect its own.
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I think everybody knew this was gonna happen. The guy is on a fucking vacation for Pete's sake
It's still the right thing to get angry though
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Were people really expecting a different result here?
Judging by the hurt feelings many were.
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Nine white jurors and three black and nine needed to indict. Gee, what a coinkeydink…
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On the other side, if it was four white jurors and eight black jurors, he still could have not been indicted if all four white jurors had decided not to indict if I understand right.
Edit: From what I understand, the prosecutor also did a crappy job in part, maybe due to being a local prosecutor rather than a federal one. I think a lot of it also comes back to what Ubiq said too.
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@Monkey:
Oh and so you thought Demon Rin was also a law student speaking in law terms? Really?
You do realize field jargon uses common use words left and right in different contexts with different meanings technical or otherwise?I asked you if you'd ever been on a jury. Have you?
You sound like someone whose been exposed to the textbook part of his field, and not the practice. That's fine until you start sounding like someone who describes real life like sterile laboratory procedures.
We all have our fields bud, and well all have that same risk of getting our heads jammed in a book.Was his life threatened by the nonexistent gun, or the nonexistent knife?
Gosh I sure feel the system is functioning when a cop can kill me from assumption. Makes me feel extremely safe.Which is completely irrelevant given the picture is in response to the PROSECUTOR saying something untrue.
1. That is the basic definition of murder not only in legal books, but in dictionaries, which is actually where I remember getting it from.
2. No, I have not served on a jury despite being called for jury duty twice
As for being more "book smart" than "street smart", I do admit that while i take a lot of what I know from books and classes, I have done things like participate in ride alongs, volunteer for police events like active shooter scenarios to visiting jails as well as community service to see what I will be doing with my life when I enter the career
3. You may be joking about the lack of weapons on Michael Brown, but that incident could have easily turned in the opposite direction with Brown managing to take Wilson's gun from him and shoot him. Police officers are taught how to detain a violent person with various holds, but there have been many cases where a officer was either overpowered or stunned long enough to have his service pistol taken from him and killed with it. I know it sounds corny that someone's fists can be used as weapons, but it is a fact that people need to see because one good shot can put anyone down, and if you are a cop fighting with what could be a violent person and they knock you silly, there is a good chance you will end up dead shortly after that.
4. I will need to re watch it, but the prosecutor who said that could have been motioning to the fact that a lot of people say/thought that Wilson killed Brown execution style after he finally fell to the ground, despite the multiple autopsies and witnesses saying that never happened. My comment about how it is SOP for police to handcuff suspects in the aftermath of a shooting still stands though, which could be why Wilson was standing over Brown. Still stupid of the prosecutor to say he never did that though when there was a pic out there.
Finally, I would like to thank you for questioning my post in sections and pointing out why you think I am wrong instead of just openly saying I am a asshole or that I am tone deaf because of that my opinion doesn't matter, even though I am not offended because emotions are extremely high right now. If there is anything else you feel is off please let me know and I will try to explain it in more depth.
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The thing is, just because the jury decided it wasn't murder doesn't mean they're right . Evidence and eye witness account point to Wilson killing Brown while he was surrendering, not while he was charging at him like some kind of mad "demon". How do you feel threatened to shoot an unarmed bleeding man surrendering to you? Yes, there are conflicting accounts among the eye witnessess but what can't be disputed is the excessive force of the cop.
The fact that a man with authority can just kill an unarmed man and get away with it completely scotch free, is more reinforcement that the police have the authority to kill or maim the innocent and get away with it. Particularly minorities. In fact, they'll probably be called "heroes" of justice for keeping our streets clean of, you know, all the convenience store robbing thugs…
Edited: Not shot in the back as I previously stated.
Everything's Eventual…
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And I think, bottom line for most people is that in the end, the outcome of this is that an unarmed kid is dead after being shot six times. A family just lost their son, and the killer doesn't even have to answer for what he did.
So while you can say that the jury did what they were supposed to do, I would say that most would need to see more to say that justice was done.
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So, hmm… Why was he killed, exactly ?
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This whole process was a joke on the prosecutor's part. Everything from how the case was presented to that awful press conference was numbing. I was hopeful yesterday can't lie but the longer the day went the more I knew it wasn't going to happen. The whole thing is just disheartening and sad I truly wanted to cry. 'Merica just showing me my worth nothing new about that.
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Short answer: combination of increasing militarisation of the American police force and racial tensions (or rather just plain racism on the part of the mostly white police force in a town with a high percentage of black population) resulting in an black kid being shot by a white police officer (the races are important here for the reasons I've mentioned above).
Long answer: A good timeline of the incident and reactions in Ferguson and the surrounding media can be seen here: http://mashable.com/2014/11/17/ferguson-grand-jury-michael-brown/
Hopefully I didn't screw up or miss out any details
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Junot Diaz posted this one on facebook (well, his facebook page i guess?):
Also, this other one that i came along. Maybe it isn't related but…well, i don't know.
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mostly white police force in a town with a high percentage of black population
Thats a fact I don't really understand. Why is that?
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1. That is the basic definition of murder not only in legal books, but in dictionaries, which is actually where I remember getting it from.
I am indebted to you my good sir or madam in your adjustment* of the facts of my statement. I submit to the jury of Arlong Park, that I indeed made this error of forethought, and plead guilty to it entirely.
Closing Remarks: It was erroneous of me to attempt to make a comment on the events that transpired in Ferguson without using the proper legal terminology. I deserve to be held in contempt of Arlong Park. My intent was to evoke the common idiom "To Get away with Murder" which does, in fact, appear in the Cambridge Dictionary's idioms section, and is stated to NOT refer exclusively to the concept of Legal Murder, but the definition is "to be allowed to do things that other people would be punished or criticized for", however, I now see the error of my ways and will submit to whatever Sentence Arlong Park sees fit.
*Proper Legal term for a correction on a mistake in documentation, as "Correction" in a legal sense, refers to the prison system.
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The thing is, just because the jury decided it wasn't murder doesn't mean they're right . Evidence and eye witness account point to Wilson killing Brown while he was surrendering, not while he was charging at him like some kind of mad "demon". How do you feel threatened to shoot an unarmed bleeding man surrendering to you? Yes, there are conflicting accounts among the eye witnessess but what can't be disputed is the excessive force of the cop.
The fact that a man with authority can just kill an unarmed man and get away with it completely scotch free, is more reinforcement that the police have the authority to kill or maim the innocent and get away with it. Particularly minorities. In fact, they'll probably be called "heroes" of justice for keeping our streets clean of, you know, all the convenience store robbing thugs…
Edited: Not shot in the back as I previously stated.
So what about the witnesses that in one form or another sided with Wilson's version? Their testimonies do not matter at all?
I'm sorry but to just dismiss evidence and testimony because it doesn't fit with your views of the case is wrong.As for shooting him six times, as a police officer you are trained to shoot to stop, which tends to go when the suspect is down on the ground. Sometimes it takes one shot. With Michael Brown it took six. In the North Hollywood Shootout it took near a hundred shots on two heavily armored suspects. Each and every shooting is different.
If you are gonna shoot, shoot. Don't talk
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1. That is the basic definition of murder not only in legal books, but in dictionaries, which is actually where I remember getting it from.
You really don't get it do you.
No but you do because this is the first time on record you turned into Captain Pedantic.
Odd timing this.2. No, I have not served on a jury despite being called for jury duty twice
I wonder if this contributed to your vision of it as a flawless robot environment?
3. You may be joking about the lack of weapons on Michael Brown, but that incident could have easily turned in the opposite direction with Brown managing to take Wilson's gun from him and shoot him. Police officers are taught how to detain a violent person with various holds, but there have been many cases where a officer was either overpowered or stunned long enough to have his service pistol taken from him and killed with it. I know it sounds corny that someone's fists can be used as weapons, but it is a fact that people need to see because one good shot can put anyone down, and if you are a cop fighting with what could be a violent person and they knock you silly, there is a good chance you will end up dead shortly after that.
So you're literally saying getting "beat up", which he wasn't even, is grounds for Judge Dredd action on the scene.
But hey you know what would be great for debating the finer points of the evidence?
A fucking trial.4. I will need to re watch it, but the prosecutor who said that could have been motioning to the fact that a lot of people say/thought that Wilson killed Brown execution style after he finally fell to the ground, despite the multiple autopsies and witnesses saying that never happened. My comment about how it is SOP for police to handcuff suspects in the aftermath of a shooting still stands though, which could be why Wilson was standing over Brown. Still stupid of the prosecutor to say he never did that though when there was a pic out there.
Oh by the way, if you know anything about jury selection you might be surprised to know the Prosecutor shouldn't have been doing the job he was given his background.
His father was killed by a black guy, his cop father.
This is the PROSECUTOR.
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As for shooting him six times, as a police officer you are trained to shoot to stop, which tends to go when the suspect is down on the ground. Sometimes it takes one shot. With Michael Brown it took six. In the North Hollywood Shootout it took near a hundred shots on two heavily armored suspects. Each and every shooting is different.
This is an unarmed kid for christ's sakes, not a gang with heavy armor. Six on a single person for anyone is excessive enough.
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As for shooting him six times, as a police officer you are trained to shoot to stop, which tends to go when the suspect is down on the ground. Sometimes it takes one shot. With Michael Brown it took six. In the North Hollywood Shootout it took near a hundred shots on two heavily armored suspects. Each and every shooting is different.
dontbesnarkyasshole dontbesnarkyasshole dontbesnarkyasshole…
Look, maybe it's just me coming from a country where firearms are banned and consequently you could say that the police force may not be as lethal, or trigger-happy or hell even competent with this whole shooting thing... buuuut don't you think that even in a situation where Brown supposedly did reach out for the weapon and where the cop supposedly did feel threatened and concerned for his life and thus his judgment was clouded… that six shootings on a teenage youth, with two of these shots on his freaking head is QUITE FUCKING OVERKILL.
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Personally, If I'm a cop who is trained to shoot a gun, If I actually felt threatened by an unarmed guy coming at me going for my Gun, my first instinct would be to shoot his legs to immobilize him. If he doesn't have a ranged weapon, killing him would be a complete no-no to me.
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Don't people still get put on trial even in clear cases of self-defense?
But not our police. Whenever they kill, they're just doing their jobs.
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So what about the witnesses that in one form or another sided with Wilson's version? Their testimonies do not matter at all?
I'm sorry but to just dismiss evidence and testimony because it doesn't fit with your views of the case is wrong.What are you reading? I more or less dismissed the witness testimonies despite the majority siding with Brown's case. Instead, I concentrated on the fact that an unarmed person was shot and killed for…what? And what was the consequence for Wison? He resigned from his police force? If losing my job (by resigning he wasn't even fired) was the full extent of my punishment for killing some unarmed kid then I'd call that a getaway.
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Thats a fact I don't really understand. Why is that?
Waiting for someone else more knowledgeable and/or eloquent to make a more detailed/satisfactory response but given all the interactions between (mostly black) portestors and (most white) cops following this case, not to mention the statistics surrounding incarceration rates of the black population in Ferguson (and unfortunately other US towns), I'm not sure what else to say besides anything that starts or ends with 'racism'.
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http://uproxx.com/webculture/2014/11/ted-nugents-ferguson-facebook-post/
You guys sure do have some interesting famous people.
Working thru some stuff. Dunno how long i will be here.
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http://uproxx.com/webculture/2014/11/ted-nugents-ferguson-facebook-post/
You guys sure do have some interesting famous people.
No, this is just an average tuesday for Ted.
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http://uproxx.com/webculture/2014/11/ted-nugents-ferguson-facebook-post/
You guys sure do have some interesting famous people.
I'll do my best Ted can't promise you anything though.
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Quote from an actual lawyer so loneassassin can stop playing the valiant devils advocate
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On the other hand (not Ted "Holy shit boy you make eugenics sound pausible to me"):
Transcript if you don't want to click:
“I would like to say Rest in Peace to Michael Brown. I would like to give all thoughts and prayers to the people out there peacefully protesting. I also give thoughts and prayers to the people who could not hold their anger in because riots are only the language of the unhold. We usually come on to Queen’s ‘Champion’, but I just got to tell you today, no matter how much we do it, no matter how much we get shit together, shit comes along and kicks you on your ass. Tonight, I got kicked on my ass when I heard that prosecutor. You motherfckers got me today, I knew it was coming when Eric Holder decided to resign. You motherfckers got me today. You kicked me on my ss today, because I have a 20-year-old son and a 12-year-old son, and I’m so afraid for them today.
“When I stood on the bus, and I cried, and I hugged my friend, I said, ‘these motherfckers got me today.’ When I stood in front of my wife, and I cried like a baby, I said, ‘these motherfuckers got me today. You motherfckers will not own tomorrow, we will not bend to your fear, we will not accept your pain, we are not going to keep playing that race card, because we know you don’t value my skin. We know you do value his (El-P), but we’re friends and nothing is going to devalue that.
“There was no peace in my heart and I wanted to walk out to ‘Burn This Motherfcker Down’. But I got to tell you, I’m from Atlanta, Georgia, something said, ‘Just look for something [Martin Luther King Jr.] might have said,’ so I googled Martin King and Wikipedia popped up, and he was 39 years old when you motherfckers killed him. He was the same age as I am, the same age as [El-P]. He was a young man when you killed him.
“But I can promise you today: If I die when I walk off this stage tomorrow, I’ll let you know this: it is not about race, it is not a class, it’s not about color, it’s about what they killed him for. It’s about poverty, it’s about greed, and it’s about a war machine. It’s about a war machine that uses you. So as I go tomorrow, I might go the day after, the one thing I want you to know is that it’s us against the motherfcking machine!”It reminded me of a translation i did for a cultural log i have with some friends (yeah, a plug cause i'm a horrible person) where i translated some excerpts about pacific protests of a interview that playboy did to MLK. I leave both links:
http://terrar.io/2013/09/martin-luther-king-la-realidad-de-la-protesta-no-violenta/https://holygypsy.wordpress.com/2009/07/10/martin-luther-king-jr-playboy-interview/
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http://uproxx.com/webculture/2014/11/ted-nugents-ferguson-facebook-post/
You guys sure do have some interesting famous people.
Ted Nugent is a total rancid piece of shit, this is nothing new.
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No surprise there. No surprise at all. I'm not even surprised that he somehow found his way onto the jury.
Everything's Eventual…
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A gem from the ABC News Interview with Darren Wilson.
Would you have done things differently?
Wilson: No.
@Monkey:
Ted Nugent is a total rancid piece of shit, this is nothing new.
He's fashioned himself into a Tea Party icon years ago.Isn't he supposed to be dead or in prison?
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No surprise there. No surprise at all. I'm not even surprised that he somehow found his way onto the jury.
That's a misconception due to the headline being horribly phrased. He was simply a witness.
Speaking of of the jury, for all that Lone is going to be a legal scholar, I have to question if he even understands the distinction between a Grand Jury and a trial jury. It was not the job of the Grand Jury to determine whether the officer was guilty or not, but only, as the message Taboo linked indicated, whether there was probable cause. Honestly, I can't say I have any idea whether the officer would have been, or even should have been, found guilty had he gone to trial. However, by all accounts, the fact that he will never even go to trial is a travesty.
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I'd say a lot of the problem with the whole situation is the prosecution presented it as if there was a trial and he was declared innocent. A lot of the material presented usually never comes up in grand jury hearings.
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I've never read a single thing that set off as many bullshit detectors as this.
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The teenage boy seeing that the gunshot had just missed him then lunged back through the car window.
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I've never read a single thing that set off as many bullshit detectors as this.
http://www.vox.com/2014/11/25/7281165/darren-wilsons-story-sideWas there any reports of the officer having injuries? Anything suggesting that he was punched? I surely don't remember anything suggesting that, but in that "report" he says Brown approached him -while he was in his car- and started to punch him. So there should have been a report of the officer's injuries ..even if it was the slightest thing … if it was true.
But I don't remember anything said about the officer getting punched, just that Brown was not armed when the officer claimed he was shooting in self-defense.
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Was there any reports of the officer having injuries? Anything suggesting that he was punched? I surely don't remember anything suggesting that, but in that "report" he says Brown approached him -while he was in his car- and started to punch him. So there should have been a report of the officer's injuries ..even if it was the slightest thing … if it was true.
But I don't remember anything said about the officer getting punched, just that Brown was not armed when the officer claimed he was shooting in self-defense.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/24/darren-wilson-injury-photos_n_6216208.html
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@Monkey:
The teenage boy seeing that the gunshot had just missed him then lunged back through the car window.
"When he stopped, he turned, looked at me, made like a grunting noise and had the most intense, aggressive face I've ever seen on a person. When he looked at me, he then did like the hop…you know, like people do to start running. And, he started running at me. During his first stride, he took his right hand put it under his shirt into his waistband. And I ordered him to stop and get on the ground again. He didn't. I fired multiple shots. After I fired the multiple shots, I paused a second, yelled at him to get on the ground again, he was still in the same state. Still charging, hand still in his waistband, hadn't slowed down."
"And when I grabbed him, the only way I can describe it is I felt like a five-year-old holding onto Hulk Hogan.”
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If anybody wants a respite from having their faith in humanity utterly eliminated then Arkansas' and Mississippi's gay marriage bans were struck down today. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judges-strike-down-arkansas-mississippi-gay-marriage-bans-n256316
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So here's how the map is looking.
If I understand the key properly, dark blue means gay marriage is legal, light blue is basically limited stay for a higher court to respond, tan is an indefinite stay, and red is banned.
That other blue stripe in Missouri means that they recognize marriages from other states.
Complicating things since 2009.
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Haha! I always figured it would be legal for gay people to marry everywhere in the U.S. in the next five years, but I have to admit I always expected my state to either be last or in the last batch!
Pretty surreal to actually see it light-blue now.And….the statement on the news site has a person pretty much saying the same thing.
Edit: Well, I hope it leads that way which it looks like!
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/24/darren-wilson-injury-photos_n_6216208.html
From the statement, I thought he was saying that Brown was hitting him pretty badly. That comment of him being in the car when Brown punched him, it made me think he got punched in the face. After all, being punched through a car window limits where a punch can land.
But those pics… he's lookin good for such a getting such a beating. Well lets say this, I've punched my sister before in a fight, and she looked worse than that cop.Given, the cheek does look like it may be bruised.
But the back of the neck? My neck once looked like that ... after a too close a shave at the nape of the neck. That what it looks like, a rash from razor burn not a fight.
Even if it was too soon for bruises to show, it would have swelled .. esp in the jaw area.
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http://jetgreguar.tumblr.com/post/103617950862/rosethomass-if-you-like-me-get-so-angry-when
A good collection of all the evidence to help anyone who still doesn't think the Ferguson stuff is a massive miscarriage of justice, or more specifically, to help give people something to point to when assholes refuse to accept it, as well as some other stuff like the protesters themselves
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Maybe Ferguson and México police and judicial departments work closely. The students here that are being accused of terrorism under the excuse they referred to each other as "mates". Yes, that's not a joke. They are being accused of being part of a dangerous organization cause people say they called each other "compas" (Mate is the nearest equivalent i can think of).
A contigent of people tried to make another protest today. They were intimidated by a police into a house :/ Of course, no english source on it.
 
