i don't think law will ever go at sh. yet at least i see him more like whitebeard was for roger, but probably he'll become a commander a la marco. i bet my coin on fuji becoming for luffy what garp was for roger.
Chapter 763: Human Declaration
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"I'm simply an accident. Why take it all so seriously?"
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There also was Chimney, though she was only a 1/4 fishwoman.
She's 1/4 Meremaid actually .
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Law's "Water Law" is in fact "Waterloo" as in ワーテルロー I guess he took last part ロー (translated as Law) as his codename. So ワーテル that remains you can read as "wateru", but water would be written as ウォータ (woota). So… I think you can translate his name as both Water Law or Waterloo. In japanese it's both, but in english it's somehow better to call him Water Law, so that you know how his codename (Law) got invented. Correct me if Im wrong, it's kinda confusing, so sorry if I messed something up :P
Thanks a lot , I was asking about what was said in the MS translation that (water) is a taboo that law's family had over generations ! MP said that (water) is the mother's name , and Reddit said what MS said but didn't call it a taboo , so which is more valid ?
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Well, his father didn't die smiling, but the mother had her face hidden from us.
most D's died during different circumstances. They all had things to smile about, they were optimistic about the future
Roger with inspiring Pirates. He died happy
Rouge died happy after successfully giving birth…
Saul with his outlook on life (Laugh -even when things are bad)
Ace (the only weak link in my explanation)but Law's parents had nothing to be happy about in/with their deaths. As doctors they could do nothing to help or save their country, As parents they couldn't do a thing for them either. It's the entire situation/predicament
I think Law's father is the D. -He would've said Trafalgar Water D. Law if it was on his mothers side. But maybe they're both D's. I also think you can only be a D. if your father is one, same as how children take their fathers name at birth. But yuno ~whatever.
I hope we are told why Law said that the D. part is a secret. I wonder what his parents told him about it.
beware
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Thanks a lot , I was asking about what was said in the MS translation that (water) is a taboo that law's family had over generations ! MP said that (water) is the mother's name , and Reddit said what MS said but didn't call it a taboo , so which is more valid ?
Dは隠し名、ワーテルは忌み名で…ウチの家族は代々…
"D is a secret name, Water is a taboo name that… our family for generations..."忌み (imi) means taboo (as 忌む - "to avoid, shun"), however it can also be read as "holy" in a noun prefix.
Nothing about mother even remotely.
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@NER:
I agree with all of that, also I sorta liked to think of the non SH supernovas as equals, (not in the original sense, but I lack the words to explain how I feel) and then we have Law being a D and that alone sets him apart too much from the rest of the supernovas and make him more important than the rest and thats annoying to a degree.
the very moment he showed up at Marineford -set him apart from every other Supernova
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most D's died during different circumstances. They all had things to smile about, they were optimistic about the future
When Luffy was almost killed by Buggy, there wasn't much reason to smile.
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You don´t need to shove the whole fruit into its mouth. Just a bite will be enough.
Or you mean small as in age? it could´ve been a newborn fighting fish
I meant small in size, even the small fighting fish used inside the coliseum were quite large compared to humans/actual bulls(well, certainly not Ushi's). Newborn? or newly hatched? non the less they should be at least 3 times the size of a normal baby human and Deli doesn't look any bigger than any normal baby human.
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When Luffy was almost killed by Buggy, there wasn't much reason to smile.
His death at that moment would've only affected him(i.e his friends can handle the rest on their own and don't need saving) it was the same for Ace and Roger. Unlike Law's dad/mom, who could've have protected their children when they're dead? they couldn't died smiling not knowing the fate of their kids or knowing that they can't be there to protect them anymore.
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just because the fighting fish is huge doesn´t mean its zoan counterpart will be as big. look at chopper, in reindeer mode he´s as tall as a human, but in "brain" mode he´s a little raccoon thingy. maybe dellinger is always in that middle mode
also, there are several animal species that are HUGE in comparison to their recently born offspring. look at tadpoles, for example, or even crocodiles.
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His death at that moment would've only affected him(i.e his friends can handle the rest on their own and don't need saving) it was the same for Ace and Roger. Unlike Law's dad/mom, who could've have protected their children when they're dead? they couldn't died smiling not knowing the fate of their kids or knowing that they can't be there to protect them anymore.
Nope, still not convinced.
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Trafalgar and Waterloo were both battles that Napoleon lost.
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I´m sure he´s a fighting fish that was fed a human DF (smile?)
Smiles didn't exist back then.
And Chopper already has the Hito Hito.
most D's died during different circumstances. They all had things to smile about, they were optimistic about the future
Roger with inspiring Pirates. He died happy
Rouge died happy after successfully giving birth…
Saul with his outlook on life (Laugh -even when things are bad)
Ace (the only weak link in my explanation)but Law's parents had nothing to be happy about in/with their deaths. As doctors they could do nothing to help or save their country, As parents they couldn't do a thing for them either. It's the entire situation/predicament
I think Law's father is the D. -He would've said Trafalgar Water D. Law if it was on his mothers side. But maybe they're both D's. I also think you can only be a D. if your father is one, same as how children take their fathers name at birth. But yuno ~whatever.
I hope we are told why Law said that the D. part is a secret. I wonder what his parents told him about it.
Sorry, but you're really trying too hard to define what a D. should be about.
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@Skull:
http://i.imgur.com/OJM2RGS.png
Dは隠し名、ワーテルは忌み名で…ウチの家族は代々…
"D is a secret name, Water is a taboo name that… our family for generations..."忌み (imi) means taboo (as 忌む - "to avoid, shun"), however it can also be read as "holy" in a noun prefix.
Nothing about mother even remotely.
Thanks man that's a great help
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Smiles didn't exist back then.
And Chopper already has the Hito Hito.
Was it confirmed that there weren´t even smile experiments before the dressrosa/punk hazard events? I don´t recall
I never said it was the hito hito. I was going for Smile, or something similar.
The existence of a fish zoan sounds really farfetched too, but then again there is the sara sara no mi…
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Was it confirmed that there weren´t even smile experiments before the dressrosa/punk hazard events? I don´t recall
Considering that Caesar probably still worked for Vegapunk at the time…
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Was it confirmed that there weren´t even smile experiments before the dressrosa/punk hazard events? I don´t recall
I never said it was the hito hito. I was going for Smile, or something similar.
The existence of a fish zoan sounds really farfetched too, but then again there is the sara sara no mi…
Doflamingo presented it as a new deal to Disco, two years ago.
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Maybe the sea monsters didn't attack the port town, they were just swept along in whatever brought the homes. It is also possible they were
Trying to return their homes to the sea.Or it was the peto peto no mi guy, lol.
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The existence of a fish zoan sounds really farfetched too, but then again there is the sara sara no mi…
Look at Dillinger's back here:
http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/754/9
And here, in the upper-right panel:
http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/754/11
There is very clearly a fish or shark fin (probably a fighting fish, considering his theme) sticking out of his back. Would also explain why he was recruited as a baby.
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I´ve seen it, otherwise I wouldn´t have insisted countless times on my theory.
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The sea monsters are terrified of something that's why they left their old place..
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So now we are at a time were Vergo is already a marine. I wonder where he was for the first part of the flashback. Training cap?
Law is twelve and we are only a couple of month away from the incident. Law got attached that much to Corazon in such a period.
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@zeff:
The sea monsters are terrified of something that's why they left their old place..
Maybe not terrified but definitely disturbed.
Apparently that castle on the shore is their home, suddenly forced onto dry land.
My first thought was the Gura Gura no Mi, which would be an interesting turn. -
I have been posting about Delli being tied with fighting fish since April I found it to obvious that he wears a shirt with fighting fish scale patterns and a hat/helmet shaped just like the horns of one and it's pretty much been shown he likely has horns. So if we rule out the possibility of a fish devil fruit (we can't fully rule anything out but it's unlikely) then what if he is part fishman model fighting fish and was abandoned as a child due to being mixed and rejected and abandoned for it. I think Dofla would find a baby suitable to join his crew if that were the case.
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He wears clogs to hide his stinky webbed toes.
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I'm not really talking about you and your tastes, but for the past 100 chapters we've had the Bleach-iest One Piece character as a secondary mc. So much hype and focus has been built around this dude, it just feels too much. Imagine Vivi being a super powerful character, and usurping all the other strawhat's focus and screen time (even if there would have been only 6), and having a Straw hat level backstory and all that stuff…The D thing is actually just the icing on the cake, and now that I think about it, there too much Law hype for him not to be some kind of Strawhat member in even the smallest way, shape or form.
Not feeling the Law hype here, so I can't see what's the big deal here and why he has to be a D (he's fine without) and is given so much attention.
Well that has nothing to do with this, but I felt the impel down blackbeard made sense to me. The Real Life Blackbeard was once a privateer before quitting, so One Piece's Blackbeard is the same. I suppose everything in OP will make sense in the big picture. I feel Law is forced hyped, but I really see what wrong with the blackbeard thing was bad.
Any way, I do actually like the chapter(as always, no matter what...) just that this particular plot point doesn't sit well with me.
Well it's fans like this which is why Oda doesn't get away from everything revolving around Strawhats theme that has been going on all series.
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I'm not really talking about you and your tastes, but for the past 100 chapters we've had the Bleach-iest One Piece character as a secondary mc. So much hype and focus has been built around this dude, it just feels too much. Imagine Vivi being a super powerful character, and usurping all the other strawhat's focus and screen time (even if there would have been only 6), and having a Straw hat level backstory and all that stuff…The D thing is actually just the icing on the cake, and now that I think about it, there too much Law hype for him not to be some kind of Strawhat member in even the smallest way, shape or form.
Not feeling the Law hype here, so I can't see what's the big deal here and why he has to be a D (he's fine without) and is given so much attention.
What I don't get is why Law specificaly. I mean… he is definetly not the most interesting Supernova. Only one I consider on his level of blandness is Zoro, and he at least has some funny moments with Straw Hats from time to time.
Not that the Straw Hats are so much better this arc, seeing how disconnected they feel from the plot. Luffy might as well broke the fourth wall and say "I will beat Doflamingo because I'm main character", considering this is pretty much reasoning given.
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What I don't get is why Law specificaly. I mean… he is definetly not the most interesting Supernova. Only one I consider on his level of blandness is Zoro, and he at least has some funny moments with Straw Hats from time to time.
Not that the Straw Hats are so much better this arc, seeing how disconnected they feel from the plot. Luffy might as well broke the fourth wall and say "I will beat Doflamingo because I'm main character", considering this is pretty much reasoning given.
I did like like his style back in the archipelago.
Why law? I suppose because of his connection to Doffly.
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@Skull:
http://i.imgur.com/OJM2RGS.png
Dは隠し名、ワーテルは忌み名で…ウチの家族は代々…
"D is a secret name, Water is a taboo name that… our family for generations..."忌み (imi) means taboo (as 忌む - "to avoid, shun"), however it can also be read as "holy" in a noun prefix.
Nothing about mother even remotely.
You're making the mistake of looking at part of the word, and not the whole word.
忌み名 means "true name". It's not shunned or taboo in itself, it's called that because it's a name that should be avoided to be addressed by others, especially when you are in a high position.It's "taboo" to call someone (especially when they're royalty) by their true name.
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I did like like his style back in the archipelago.
Why law? I suppose because of his connection to Doffly.
But isn't that the problem? When he has his powers, he is all style, and little substance. Honestly, I liked him most when he was handcuffed in seastone.
Also, that is the story reason, not meta reason.
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What I don't get is why Law specificaly. I mean… he is definetly not the most interesting Supernova. Only one I consider on his level of blandness is Zoro, and he at least has some funny moments with Straw Hats from time to time.
There's a couple of SN, such as Urouge and Jewelry, that give me the impression their story is less important than the plot function they will serve later on. Somewhat highlighted with Law since Dofla mentioned he needed the Ope Ope to do something on Marejois.
Humanizing him now and then letting him go off panel would definitely make it seem less plot mechanistic later on. Not that I'm complaining, I enjoy how Oda does things. -
Okay, this chapter brought about more twists and turns than I ever expected, and puts a whole new perspective on Doffy. Which is what brings me to my theory about what ended up happening to him as time went on. I get the feeling that they lived in poverty, despair and fear of the people chasing them until Doffy found the Ito-Ito no mi. It was then that he realized he had the power to take his revenge on all those who tried to kill them. With his string powers that is also how he killed Homing. Before Homing dies though, he sees his own death as an opportunity for Doffy and Roci to try to get back into Mariejois. For insurance though, Homing tells Doffy of the National Treasure that is known to the Tenryuubito and finally offers his life to Doffy. The brothers go to Mariejois and are denied. Enraged, Doffy threatens the Tenryuubito with exposing the National Treasure and that's when they decide that the brothers have to get taken out. They escape, and Doffy decides to bide his time, until he has enough power that he can take on the Tenryuubito and use them to his advantage. Hence how we saw that he stole the Heavenly tribute. From this I think he got his epithet. Doffy has become a very complex individual, and also very developed as a character. Great chapter from Oda.
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But isn't that the problem? When he has his powers, he is all style, and little substance. Honestly, I liked him most when he was handcuffed in seastone.
Also, that is the story reason, not meta reason.
Let's say I liked his mix of both being laid back, his simple attire and excessively polite speech. his power were pretty secondary to me back then and he got a talking bear. As for the current Law like pretty everyone and this manga I don't mind him much. I just enjoy the occasional cool attack and see how far he can push the illusion that the worst generation isn't an empty name. And I want the bear.
Meta reason? He created him for that purpose and gave him that blandness and overhype as a shortcut to the readers heart since he was going to be important.
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There's a couple of SN, such as Urouge and Jewelry, that give me the impression their story is less important than the plot function they will serve later on. Somewhat highlighted with Law since Dofla mentioned he needed the Ope Ope to do something on Marejois.
Humanizing him now and then letting him go off panel would definitely make it seem less plot mechanistic later on. Not that I'm complaining, I enjoy how Oda does things.Okay, I get Urouge, but her? Really? Considering her conversation with Akainu, I would say she will have at least some measure of importance among Supernovas.
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Okay, I get Urouge, but her? Really? Considering her conversation with Akainu, I would say she will have at least some measure of importance among Supernovas.
Just the nature of her DF really. Certainly expecting her to get a full story at some stage but her power feels like it's going to be the more important part.
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You're making the mistake of looking at part of the word, and not the whole word.
忌み名 means "true name".I'm not making any mistake. There's no such word as "忌み名". And it still is reads as "taboo name".
What it implies is a different story all together.
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When Luffy was almost killed by Buggy, there wasn't much reason to smile.
but due to his sunny disposition he smiled anyway. It's all got to do with their outlooks on life I guess
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@Ra:
@ Jazzsays: True, but Luffy is the main character. XD if anyone is entitled to power ups and important artifacts it's him! Law just came out of nowhere with the Punk Hazard arc having become one of the Seven Warlords.
@king Cannon: that's true, I forgot about Killer! The level headed badass.:)
Characters always just come out of nowhere.
beware
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Characters always just come out of nowhere.
That, or they have years of build up that they don't live up to. Looking at you, Flamingo.
Let's be clear here, Law's powers are broken precisely because of how universal they can be. And because they make no sense. He is the worst example of a power creep I have ever seen in the media, outdone by only by Sharingan and Rinnegan from Naruto.
And he is spot stealing from other characters.
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What I don't get is why Law specificaly. I mean… he is definetly not the most interesting Supernova. Only one I consider on his level of blandness is Zoro, and he at least has some funny moments with Straw Hats from time to time.
A little (or not so little) rant, not directed specifically at you, but cause this Law issue just keeps popping up.
Law just happened to be the first Supernova we meet post-ts. I'll agree it all seems a bit too much right now (it's two long arcs in a row with tons of focus on him), and the D. thing was bound to weird many people out. But the thing is. . .Bonney was left pre-ts with the promise of a WG related back-story. You honestly believe Oda won't spend his sweet time with her? X. Drake changed sides from being a marine to being one of Kaidou's liutenants. . .You think that's gonna be for naught? Even Urouge or Bege, who seem among the "less memorable/relevant" Supernova have quite a possible chance to shine; Urouge being from Bilka could very well tie with Enel's inevitable (and foreshadowed) comeback to earth, and Bege being possibly caught up in that big black gravity ball just screams (at least to me) that Luffy and co will too get swallowed by that ball one way or another and probably find him there.
Honestly? The ones I see getting less screen time and development are Apoo, Hawkins and Killer for the sole reason that they'll have to share their moments with Kidd, who seems like the top dog no matter how you look at him. Sure, they'll have fights and look badass in due time, but Kidd will be the one to steal their thunder. Aside from these, the rest of the Supernova have either been set-up as plot relevant or having the potential to be so. Maybe not at Law's level? Maybe. It does seem like Oda went a step too far with him. But that the rest will get their time to shine? Yeah, I don't doubt it.
I also wanted to say that, actually, Law has been improving as a character since Punk Hazard, where he was smug overlord no matter how you cut it. In Dressrosa we've seen him struggle, get ragged, carried around like a bag of potatoes against his will, facefault, complain about the horse being less confortable than the bull. . .if anything, he's much less of a smuggy smart-ass than someone who deserves a break after going through quite a lot during this arc. . .and during his childhood, as we're seeing right now. It all helps, honestly.
More, this flashback would be excessive if it was 100% Law centric, but as of now, the focus is pretty much evenly shared. We're seeing a lot of him, but also a lot of Doffy and his family, so it's kind of a 2x1 deal that just so happens to, so far, work really well. Dofla felt like a big spoiled baby during chapter 760, right? But, after seeing him as a 10 yo at most, being hanged atop of a raging fire, beaten to half death, blindfolded AND being used as a human bullseye? Constantly dreaming about that day? And waking up in sheer terror? That just gave a WHOLE new dimension to his character in the spawn of a few pages. And it's all in this "Law wankfest flashback", which just so happened to not be quite all that. . .
And last but not least, the big elefant in the room, the whole D thingie (which ironically took about 5% of the chapter at most) is, as of now, not an indication of anything UBBER (Saul and Rouge where D's and one we've not even seen her face and appeared for 3-4 panels and just. . .gave birth to someone else and died, and the other was slightly more relevant BUT powerless in the bigger scheme of things), BUT a chance to, fucking finally, share some light into the matter (Oda will probably blueball us all again, but the chance IS there. . .). We still don't know what the D are, we could know something thanks to this revelation, and we know fully well Law won't be the one to "bring a storm", as he says. That'll be Luffy and Luffy alone. Hell, from what little we know so far, Law's big benefit from being a D might be. . . to die with a smile. Woah, so jealous of him. . .
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@Skull:
I'm not making any mistake. There's no such word as "忌み名". And it still is reads as "taboo name".
What it implies is a different story all together.
Uh. Yes there is.
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/諱
"Otherwise known as 忌み名（いみな） or 真名（まな）(true name)"
The concept stopped being used in Japan since the Meiji era, and only appears in fiction for the most part. Like you know…. the manga ONE PIECE?Are you new here?
I happen to be Japanese, ya know.
If you wanna argue on the (rather clear) matter, you're gonna have to try harder.Again. You made the mistake of just looking at 忌み（忌む）by itself, instead of looking at the meaning of the whole word 忌み名.
無知は恥ずかしいことじゃないけど、指摘されたら逆ギレして調べもしないのは恥ずかしいよ？
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When Luffy was almost killed by Buggy, there wasn't much reason to smile.
Luffy simply isn't afraid of death. He smiled because he had lived the way he wanted.
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i don't think law will ever go at sh. yet at least i see him more like whitebeard was for roger, but probably he'll become a commander a la marco. i bet my coin on fuji becoming for luffy what garp was for roger.
Nah, that has to be Coby. It will be interesting to see his strength. Hopefully Garb pushed him as hard as Rayleigh pushed Luffy. Cant go wrong being trained by those people.
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Hmm, Water 7 isn't ruled by kings like other countries. Why's that? :ninja:
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What I don't get is why Law specificaly. I mean… he is definetly not the most interesting Supernova. Only one I consider on his level of blandness is Zoro, and he at least has some funny moments with Straw Hats from time to time.
Not that the Straw Hats are so much better this arc, seeing how disconnected they feel from the plot. Luffy might as well broke the fourth wall and say "I will beat Doflamingo because I'm main character", considering this is pretty much reasoning given.
Uh, I don't know what you mean this.
Since Sabaody, he was hinted to be one of the more important Supernova, with likely connection with Doula and the Will of D. Heck, he even got a new nakama in that arc.
You really think Oda just drew straws to choose which Supernova would have all this backstory or something?
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Nah, that has to be Coby. It will be interesting to see his strength. Hopefully Garb pushed him as hard as Rayleigh pushed Luffy. Cant go wrong being trained by those people.
I like in-story finished character arcs as opposed to epilogue finished character arcs. . .but I think Coby will have to be an exception to this. Him being a captain post-ts is already a big jump in strength and a big step up towards his dream of becoming an admiral, but unless there's a second time skip (highly doubt it), Coby's not becoming an admiral, and thus, worthy of being Luffy's rival till the epilogue of the story.
Unless Oda has a SUPER power up ready for him.
Uh, I don't know what you mean this.
Since Sabaody, he was hinted to be one of the more important Supernova, with likely connection with Doula and the Will of D. Heck, he even got a new nakama in that arc.
You really think Oda just drew straws to choose which Supernova would have all this backstory or something?
And, again, we've only met Law! We haven't had the time nor the chance to meet any other Supernova! I think we should wait till Luffy and co. meet the second one (or group of them) and compare their treatment with Law's treatment before passing the judgement that "Law is the only SN getting a good treatment!".
And, yeah, in the end it might just be that Law has indeed more development than the rest, but we can't tell for sure yet. And I doubt the rest will get shunned, honestly.
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i don't think law will ever go at sh. yet at least i see him more like whitebeard was for roger, but probably he'll become a commander a la marco. i bet my coin on fuji becoming for luffy what garp was for roger.
what about coby and smoker? and garp and roger almost killed eachother many times, fuji and luffy din't even fight this arc, when they had their chance.
And do you see luffy give his kid to fujitora?
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At the very least, we should expect more developments from Kid and Bonney. And possibly Drake.
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At the very least, we should expect more developments from Kid and Bonney. And possibly Drake.
You know, what I still don't get is how is Oda possibly going to wrap everything up within next eleven years… It seems as a highly impossible task.
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Sabo getting the Mera Mera was a dumb prediction?
Before Sabo was officially reveal to be alive, it seem pretty far fetch.
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Regarding Law...
To be fair, Oda has hinted on the importance of him pre-timeskip. Helping to take down the marines in Shanbody, saving Luffy in marineford and "The will of D" thing. He was going to be an important character.Maybe if Oda had handle his character a bit better (PH Law was awful in every manner.He hog all the spotlight and made everyone seem useless.) and made his devil fruit weakness ACTUALLY matter, I wouldn't be that averse to him being a D.
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At the very least, we should expect more developments from Kid and Bonney. And possibly Drake.
I'd be disappointed if Drake wouldn't have some development. What is his deal? He's been a high ranking marine, knew about Pacifista, then became a pirate and aimed to join Kaido as soon as possible. Is he a disgruntled marine who found out too much about WG or is he a WG spy, sent to help take down Kaido from the inside? Or does he have his own agenda? Fact that he was shown aiming Kaido specifically and not just any Emperor shows that there's some backstory.
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Before Sabo was officially reveal to be alive, it seem pretty far fetch.
Seemed more likely than Luffy or Rebecca to me.
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