Marvel Movies Thread - Holy Shitballs

RobZilla

Finally saw GotG last night…so, so impressed.

Satsuki

GotG spoilers:

! Yahoo has an exlusive clip of dancing baby Groot!
https://www.yahoo.com/movies/dancing-baby-groot-clip-guardians-of-the-galaxy-94738291414.html
! So cuuuuuuute! What better way to end a movie?

.Nonsh.

@maxterdexter:

One of the unnacounted for will most likely be pivotal in the Dr. Strange movie, I'd like if it was one of the more esoteric ones.

I was hopping for the Reality Gem to be the origin of magic, but if the Aether is the Reality Stone then I place my bet in the Soul Gem.

Katzztar

@Satsuki:

GotG spoilers:

! Yahoo has an exlusive clip of dancing baby Groot!
https://www.yahoo.com/movies/dancing-baby-groot-clip-guardians-of-the-galaxy-94738291414.html
! So cuuuuuuute! What better way to end a movie?

[hide]lol Loved that clip… had to go to youtube and sure enough, its there for me to save and like!
On seeing it a 2nd time, when Drax looks at Baby Groot and Groot freezes, seems that Drax does a silent and subtle breaking the 4th wall... first he glances at Groot, then at 0:26 looks at the audience then back to Groot, then back to audience very quickly (0:30) and making a face... its a blink and you miss it moment [/hide]

maxterdexter

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Satsuki

Guardians of the Galaxy 2 will be deviating from the comics by changing the identity of Peter Quill's father:
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Peter-Quill-Dad-Guardians-Galaxy-2-Different-From-Comics-66731.html

I don't know who his father is in the comics but, here comes the wave of nerds!

deltabrain

@Satsuki:

Guardians of the Galaxy 2 will be deviating from the comics by changing the identity of Peter Quill's father:
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Peter-Quill-Dad-Guardians-Galaxy-2-Different-From-Comics-66731.html

I don't know who his father is in the comics but, here comes the wave of nerds!

Well there are two different versions of peter's father.

The 70's version:
space king
adopts orphans
offered peter his throne (he turned it down of course)
told peter he was sorry for not being there when his mother died

and then there's the 2013 version:
enslaves planets
betrayed the avengers
tried to kill the guardians multiple times
told peter he wished he had died alongside his mother

For the movie I assume they're going to combine peter's 70's dad with the master of the sun. (the person who gave peter the title star-lord)

Robby

@Satsuki:

Guardians of the Galaxy 2 will be deviating from the comics by changing the identity of Peter Quill's father:
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Peter-Quill-Dad-Guardians-Galaxy-2-Different-From-Comics-66731.html

I don't know who his father is in the comics but, here comes the wave of nerds!

I think the movie showed pretty clearly who his father was if you paid attention… though naturally they won't just admit it till the next movie comes out.

! Obviously his father is Howard the Duck.
! He was on earth in the 70's. Timeline works. And why else would he get that credit stinger?

Nex 0

Doctor Strange will not be an origin story: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/nailbiter111/news/?a=106149

Satsuki

Dammit, I need an origin story! I know almost nothing about Dr. Strange!

Robby

@Satsuki:

Dammit, I need an origin story! I know almost nothing about Dr. Strange!

He's a doctor that lost use of his hands, and so went to study mystic arts.

Its an origin you can cover in dialogue or a flashback… does not need a whole movie of setup. Even in the comics, Strange's first few stories started with him already being the Master of Magic, and we only got his origin later.

Thor wasn't really an origin movie either. He already had all his powers, history, and friends... just his time on earth and character arc that was new. Hulk was kinda... well, what it was. But also wasn't a full blown origin story, evne though it kind of disregarded the first film.

Guardians, for all that it was an "assemble the group" movie, aside from Quill got everyone's individual backstories out of the way in a line or two of dialogue each.

These things really don't need to be retreads of the things we've already seen a dozen times. Its for the best if they stop following a formula.

valiantt

I am pretty sure they aren't just COMPLETELY dropping the origin story and it'll probably be revealed in an abbreviated format. They're not THAT stupid to completely leave the audience in the dark (considering how Doctor Strange is another unknown Marvel hero).

Robby

I think th epoint is we don't need anymore superhero movies where the first 40 minutes are spent with them being down on their luck nobodies, followed by an accident, followed by 40 minutes of trainign and a design the costume montage and hiding their secret from someone, followed by a 10 minute showdown with a badguy that has the same exact powers.

We've had enough of those. If you can get their setup out of the way in the first 5 minutes like Guardians did… then do so.

fana

I read that Feige said the opposite thing just a few weeks ago so I'm not sure that link should be trusted.
I doubt that movie could work without a big origin segment.

project1980

@Robby:

I think th epoint is we don't need anymore superhero movies where the first 40 minutes are spent with them being down on their luck nobodies, followed by an accident, followed by 40 minutes of trainign and a design the costume montage and hiding their secret from someone, followed by a 10 minute showdown with a badguy that has the same exact powers.

We've had enough of those. If you can get their setup out of the way in the first 5 minutes like Guardians did… then do so.

^^^Yea what he said. I like this move a lot GOTG had Peter Quill's origin wrapped up

! in the first ten minutes without it being complicated. Of course there was one main question that remained but it didnt slow down the plot.

Demon Rin

It'd be better I think if they pulled an Incredible Hulk and we got a short 5-10 minute explanation or Flashback later in the movie that explains his origins rather than doing your typical origin story.

That way you can get the origin in there for the lay viewer who never read the comics, but at the same time you don't need to slog the movie down with a formulaic by the numbers deal.

Nex 0

@Satsuki:

Dammit, I need an origin story! I know almost nothing about Dr. Strange!

Really, it's rather dull.

He was a fantastic neurosurgeon who was a dick and only worked on cases that interested him, but it was almost always for rich people. Then he lost the use of his hands. Out of options he turned an ancient mystic who lived in the Himalayas , who then refused to help him, but he got stuck there when a storm came. While there he heard the mystic's apprentice talking about how he's gonna kill the mystic; apprentice notices strange and puts a spell on him so he can't tell anyone. So he then has to learn magic from the mystic to save him. Mystic, knowing what was up the whole time, teaches him magic now that he's trying to learn it for a selfless reason.

The end.

It's hardly original and would not make for a good first film.

Besides, Strange was listed as a threat to hydra in Cap 2, so he's already an established presence.

I see them possibly going a Watchmen / X-Men Origins / Incredible Hulk route and having the origin story during the opening credits.

Robby

It would also basically be REALLY reminiscent of Iron Man's first movie, aarogant stuck up asshole gets stuck in a cave and learns humility.. just with "magic" instead of "mech".

Ubiq

Par for the course; Dr. Strange as a series started en media res with him already being an established character that people were already aware of. His origin came a few months later.

He was also Asian originally.

wolfwood

Sweet. Removing the origin story is what made the second Hulk movie so enjoyable.

Just hope that they really build an immersive, imaginative world around the dimensions that Strange visits. Cause fuck me if it's just boring black space and a few rocks here and there. I want an acid trip on paper, preferably i'd like them to just grind up Steve Ditko in a glass and throw it on the screen.

Buuuut i imagine that they are going to go with the black space, rocks and smoke approach, because fuck creativity.

Robby

I dunno. Thor did pretty well with the rainbow bridge and such.

Green_vs_Red

@Ubiq:

He was also Asian originally.

I wonder why that changed.

Demon Rin

@Nex:

[Dr Strange's Origin is] hardly original and would not make for a good first film.

Besides, Strange was listed as a threat to hydra in Cap 2, so he's already an established presence.

I see them possibly going a Watchmen / X-Men Origins / Incredible Hulk route and having the origin story during the opening credits.

Strange listed as a thing in Cap 2 doesn't necessarily mean anything. Captain America 1 was the last Phase 1 film to be released before The Avengers but it's clearly the first film in the entire MCU timeline wise as it takes place almost entirely during WWII. They could easily say a Strange Origin film took place before, or have the film have a framing device of established Strange telling the story to someone so the entire film is basically a flashback or something.

Not that I think they will or even should do this, just saying, that's easy to get around.

I think, honestly, Strange's origin should be in the movie, but it should be a 5 minute kinda deal and should be a flashback narrated by Strange, like he's telling the story to someone. Maybe even give the film a reason for him to tell the story to someone.

Keeping with the comics, I don't think the film should open with this, I think the film shold start with him just being established and at some point, how he became Sorcerer Supreme becomes relevant so he tells the story to one of the secondary characters who is not mystic by nature and therefore wouldn't know.

Maybe make the villain of the film Baron Mordo, aka the actual apprentice in his Origin. Then it'll be like "Why does this guy hate you so much?" and he'll be like "Because this happened" and you get the villain origin AND Strange's origin and you don't have to spend an entire movie on it.

IMO at least.

Purple Hermit

@Green_vs_Red:

I wonder why that changed.

Long periods as a mystic evidently cause you to change races

Cyan D. Funk

@wolfwood:

preferably i'd like them to just grind up Steve Ditko in a glass and throw it on the screen.

Atlas Shrugged ?

wolfwood

@Robby:

I dunno. Thor did pretty well with the rainbow bridge and such.

Ever the optimist. I always feel so cynical when i'm around you.

@Cyan:

Atlas Shrugged ?

For the purposes of this conversation Steve Ditko doesn't exist past 1966.

Although i imagine that Spiderman the movie as re-edited by Steve Ditko could've been fun. Featuring scenes of our beloved wallcrawler shouting at hippies to cut their hair and get jobs, and going all mr A on them.

Green_vs_Red

How does everyone feel about a movie featuring the Inhumans?

Robby

@Green_vs_Red:

How does everyone feel about a movie featuring the Inhumans?

Be cool if we actually get Blackbolt, Lockjaw, Medusa, etc. But since those characters might be tied up in the Fantastic Four, who give sa shit about any new Inhumans created in the last six months? Low key X-Men fill in, and we already got X-Men movies.

choperman

@Robby:

Be cool if we actually get Blackbolt, Lockjaw, Medusa, etc. But since those characters might be tied up in the Fantastic Four, who give sa shit about any new Inhumans created in the last six months? Low key X-Men fill in, and we already got X-Men movies.

I mean they've only had three issues with three new characters joining the team, it's not like a reboot to a franchise happens that fast. We've barley seen inferno, lineage and whatever that rock guys code name will be

and kevin feige adressed it and said they do own the rights to the royal family

LinkG07

I will wait the entire movie for Blackbolt to shout at the main villain and disintegrate him. That alone will be worth the movie ticket.

kouch_lee

FINALLY saw Guardians of the Galaxy last night. Definitely good stuff, wasn't disappointed even while heavily hyped. Couple weird writing decisions I'll get to in a while, but not necessarily implying they were "bad", just that, weird.

I still haven't seen Captain 2, which seems to be the third contender for "best Marvel movie" alongside Guardians and the Avengers (though for it to duke it out with those 2 it better be like 3 million times better than the first Captain America, which I recently saw and which bored me to tears and had massive trouble finishing it from how boring it was). But between this and Avengers? I'd say it's a tie. Guardians has overall better pace, Avengers has one of the best character balancing in the history of ever, and both are overall incredibly entertaining.

If I had to pick the stuff I didn't particularly love about it, I'd say first of all (and mainly) the fights are a bit lacking. Specially in the "oooomph!" effect. Coreography is mostly less than stellar and they could've used a bit more creativity, but my main gripes are with the way it's both shot and executed. The blows lack impact, they feel too soft, it's all a bit too slow for it to feel like really seasoned fighters are going at it. Like, I think back to that Iron Man vs. Thor scene in the Avengers and I'm like "hell yeah!", fists pumping in the air and stuff. Then I think to stuff like

! Gamora vs. Nebula or the first Drax vs. Ronan

and it's kinda underwhelming in how unmemorable they are. They're not terrible, just. . .really unimpressive. Now, the action design overall isn't terrible, but when things get close and personal, it kinda suffers. That's something I think needs some work in the sequel.

And then there's Zoe Saldana's Gamora. I say both Gamora AND Zoe Saldana cause she was kinda meh both as a character and the actress herself was pretty underwhelming. She's supposed to be a super trained assassin, yet her moves feel far too sloppy. I haven't seen her in Colombiana, but according to one of my favorite martial arts movie site, they had the same complaints: her moves seem to lack weight, speed and lack execution. Now, she's not a trained martial arts? Ok. But, for example, Scarlett on Avengers felt much, much deadlier. Clever use of stunt doubles + camera angles? Maybe. But if so, then take notes and do the same here. And her acting didn't feel too hot either, honestly; I don't know if that how her character was written, but surprisingly I felt Bautista got a better grasp on his character than she did hers.

And finally, the villain. He was intimidating enough from his deep voice and how menacing he acted, and while super cheesy and over the top, it kinda worked. But I feel like he was sidelined too much. I feel characters like Quill's mentor received better treatment and more quality screen time than the main friggin' villain of the movie, which is a shame. Also, some writing decisions (spoilered later) made him lose threatening points overall, which is also a shame.

Still, yeah, really funny and entertaining, the 2 hours flew by and I actually left the theater thirsting for more Guardians, like if the sequel came out tomorrow I'd go see it right away, cause I was trully left wanting more of that stuff. That's how entertaining it was.

As for the couple weird things with the movie:

! *When they finally get to Ronan, they throw a fucking rocket at him without prior warning and he comes out unscathed, that was badass. But they. . .did mostly nothing with that. It was an epic scenario, and I fully expected everyone to wake up and try a shot at him, try to outsmart or outmaneuver him. All we got was Drax running at him, getting grabbed by the neck and here comes Racoon and crashes a ship at him. End of the scene. It felt like they cut a good 2-3 minutes from there, and maybe that's included in the Bluray-DVD extended version, but it really felt underwhelming that Infinity Gem wearing Ronan only got to destroy a couple of ships and do a force field against the protagonists and. . .that's it. Felt like a total waste.
! *That the most critical moment of the movie, the super big climax, when Ronan is about to wipe out an entire planet, the thing that saves that planet is Quill impro dancing is both hilarious and, honestly, kinda anticlimactic. It goes hand in hand with the feeling I get that Ronan was really underused and kinda underwhelming, just watch him get totally caught by surprise during almost a minute and constantly asking "what are you doing?", instead of smashing Quill's face or. . .doing something else. Of course, I get that's the fucking joke, and I laughed my ass off at that scene too, in part because I was in complete disbelief that THAT was happening, and the performance is legitimately funny, but, again. . .our villain just feels like a bystander like the rest of the movie, and I can't really support that 100%. I'm still torn on that moment being either genius or a complete act of trolling, though.
! *And even MORE on that, when they are grabbing the infinity gem and getting decimated, joining hands to share the burden and control its power, there you have Ronan making stupid faces (in unconfortably awkward VERY close shots, btw. Weird stylistic choice in there) till they gain control of it and decimate him into oblivion. Way to end a disappointing performance by being a complete. . .bystander. Just watching things unfold in front of him and making awkward faces while asking "what are you doing?".

Robby

To answer your question.

That moment was pure genius.

maxterdexter

@Robby:

Be cool if we actually get Blackbolt, Lockjaw, Medusa, etc. But since those characters might be tied up in the Fantastic Four, who give sa shit about any new Inhumans created in the last six months? Low key X-Men fill in, and we already got X-Men movies.

I'd rather for Fantastic Four to go back to marvel more than any other property. Doom and Galactus.

jmbjr

Finally saw Guardians the other night, as well.

To keep it short: really, really liked it. Definitely among my favorite Marvel movies now. I was surprised by just how much I liked every character, including Drax and Gamora, who I was a little worried about going in. I saw it with my mom (who also really liked it), and she bought the soundtrack immediately when we got home. Honestly, one of my favorite moments was the opening credits; that was just too good, and ranks among my favorite opening credit sequences ever. Hope I can see it again before too long.

WolfWood37

! Dance off baby, you and me!
! Granted that one liner is toward the end of the movie, but its the only thing I could think of when thinking of the opening sequence.

Zack

Honest trailer for Captain America: The Winter Soldier for those interested:
Warning: Spoilers in video.

!

Neaeran

One week left until we can FINALLY see Guardians of the Galaxy here! And the internet is still talking about it. I'm really curious how the movie will hold up after so many weeks of constant hype i had to endure.

At least i wasn't spoiled so far. Except for the ending scene on which got spoiled like 5 times …

Satsuki

IGN put up a list of 13 possible actresses for Death in Avengers 3 (if they put Death in, anyway):
http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/08/19/13-actresses-that-could-bring-death-to-the-mcu?page=1

I never thought about Death having a cameo, honestly, but it would be great if they did. I like the choices of Tilda Swinton, Vera Farmiga, and Emilia Clarke the best, although Eva Green would be good too.

What do you guys think? Who would you choose to play Death in the MCU?

Cyclone_Baroness

I really can't think of any of them as Death. Especially because I can only recall the version that could joke with Deadpool lol. If I could hear all the choices whisper "that's what she said" then I could make a choice.

WolfWood37

I thought Death was more in tune with Deadpool. So I take it she isn't a character owned by Fox?

Insider2000

I saw GotG first. Understand: I saw it with my 'hater of aggressive violence and gore' mother (she closed her eyes when Ronin crushed that random guys head with his hammer at the beginning) and 'hater of science fiction' sister. They both loved it! ^_^ They thought it was so cute, and I agree. I cannot wait for part 2. I loved Groot.

I felt like the movie was a little too fast, but I can forgive that.

@WolfWood37:

I thought Death was more in tune with Deadpool. So I take it she isn't a character owned by Fox?

She's a character of Thanos before she's a character of Deadpool. She's such a minor character that it's totally possible that they could just give the character to BOTH, like Quicksilver. Just with Deadpool, they can't have Thanos being his jealous husband type.

DarthAsthma

Does Death even fall under those copyrights?
I mean the character design is so generic and Death as a character is kind of a common idea across many different stories.

valiantt

@DarthAsthma:

Does Death even fall under those copyrights?
I mean the character design is so generic and Death as a character is kind of a common idea across many different stories.

I don't think that's relevant since it's Marvel's image of "death" they are using. Meaning it is a character they defined in their universe. So obviously they don't own the concept of "Death" but they own the character they created that is inspired from it. So technically yes, Death falls under copyright I believe.

DarthAsthma

@valiantt:

I don't think that's relevant since it's Marvel's image of "death" they are using. Meaning it is a character they defined in their universe. So obviously they don't own the concept of "Death" but they own the character they created that is inspired from it. So technically yes, Death falls under copyright I believe.

So since I'm not super familiar about how Death is in the Marvel Universe is there anything that makes her super special there? Like the only big thing that I've heard about her is her relationship with Thanos and if that's the main thing there shouldn't be a problem for Marvel Studios to be using her since they own Thanos. But if she's just in general a generic variation of what Death is in general media, what's to stop them to just recreate a different incarnation of Death. I feel like it would be hard to sue that like how do you prove they infringed on that Marvel Death incarnation for certain.

valiantt

@DarthAsthma:

So since I'm not super familiar about how Death is in the Marvel Universe is there anything that makes her super special there? Like the only big thing that I've heard about her is her relationship with Thanos and if that's the main thing there shouldn't be a problem for Marvel Studios to be using her since they own Thanos. But if she's just in general a generic variation of what Death is in general media, what's to stop them to just recreate a different incarnation of Death. I feel like it would be hard to sue that.

It depends on how sue happy Sony can be if Marvel decided to utilize her. Because they can basically say "HAY we're just using a generic variation of Death" (heck, the fact the make her a woman and call her "death" should be enough for Sony to scream "sue" if they wanted to with a fair chance in winning.), but the fact that Death exists in the Marvel universe with particularly defined traits makes her a property of Marvel (or…in the cinematic realm, I think she belongs to Sony Marvel).

Even though she resembles the concept of "Death" in general, she is still a creation of Marvel with defined characterstics (both physical and personality wise) and a story behind her which makes her creative property that belongs to someone.

Technically they can make a completely DIFFERENT interpretation of Death and possibly get away with it (again depends on how sue happy Sony is), but they would have to work hard to make sure there aren't any resemblances to the one depicted in the comic (this in itself is fairly vague as well since Death does have universal characteristics of the generic notion of "Death"). But I'm sure they are not going to go this direction due to the potential backlash of it.

Panda Bear

I had no idea Death as some sort of anthropomorphic representation was a thing in comic books outside of Sandman. Learn something new every day, I guess.

Demon Rin

Marvel's Death is KINDA ridiculous actually so I don't think I'd mind if they were forced to redo her design if Fox actually owns anything related to her, but I don't think it'd be a problem.

First off, if anyone but Marvel owned her it 'd be Fox, as Fox owns Deadpool right now not Sony and her rights either come with Thanos or Deadpool.

The Skrulls are now basically universe-wide villains that tend to fight EVERYONE the Avengers especially, but since they debuted in Fantastic Four and were in the FF Book for a while before making the jump to an EVERYONE thing, Fox owns the Skrulls.

Death's first appearance was in 1973 in the pages of Captain Marvel and her first appearance in a Deadpool book was in 1998. If Fox owns the Skrulls, I'm PRETTY Sure Marvel owns Death.

The part I find ridiculous is her design.

Death is always depicted in the Marvel U as a woman in a black/purple cloak. That part is fine. However, sometimes she looks like a human being with pale skin and sometimes she looks like a skeleton. During the Death of Captain Marvel event, she appears with flesh and he tells her "I no longer need the illusion" and she changes to the Skeleton implying the Skeleton form is her "True" form and her fleshy form is an illusion she puts on so as not to scare some people who die (Probably the good people).

The problem however is that when she's in "Skeleton" form, they almost treat it like Pirates of the Caribbean treated it. Any exposed parts of her body are Skeleton parts while any parts under the cloak are treated like she still has a complete human body in those areas (IE Flesh, Fat, organs, blood etc)
….... And they draw those parts of her body... like every other female in comic books is drawn....

Behold ladies and Gentlemen, Marvel's Death.

!

Yup, they gave their personification of Death a ridiculously stacked body… and I don't like it...

DartG

I understand that comic editors and co. like to make the female form sexy, but that is just silly.
I've never read it, but if it were treated more as a comedy(does it?), the design would hold up a lot more. But if it's a serious character that takes itself seriously, I just can't see the design working.

Demon Rin

@DartG:

I've never read it, but if it were treated more as a comedy(does it?), the design would hold up a lot more.

They do treat it like a comedy… when she's in Deadpool's book. But obviously since this is all supposed to be the same universe, a sense of continuity is attempted so she is drawn that way universally. Some artists try to draw the cloak baggier to de-emphasize what her body is supposed to look like when it would hurt the story, but Buxom Skeleton death is the official design for the character.

Here she is on a Marvel Trading Card, and Here she is in Statue form on a Statue of her and Thanos (IE: Serious Death, not Comedy Death)

Robby

Hey, it works for Skeletor.