and that's how Oda troll us again …
Chapter 734: "Rommel's Whirlwind"
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I keep shaking my head at people who say Rebecca had a cheap victory. She was shown to be able to anticipate and avoid attacks, but she is weak? She may not be anywhere the same leauge as the Monster trio but that doesn't mean she is weak.
I truly believe her winning wasn't cheap, think of how many were standing when Hikuba/Cavendish pulled his stunt= 20 people were standing then.1- Out of 100+ people, Rebecca was among the 20 still standing before the attack.
2- Out of the 19 others besides Cavendish, Oda showed only Rebecca noticing something was wrong with him.
3- Out of the 19, only Rebecca was able to sense Hikuba's approach and move so the blow hits her only real protection -the helmet, thus saving her life.Sorry kiddos, but avoiding a direct hit by turning it into a glancing blow is just as vital as surviving a direct hit when it comes to winning.
That isn't some cheap luck, it was skill.So what if she isn't a match for Sabo, Barto ect. She was still one of the top 20 in Block D and using her skill she was able to do what the other 19 wasn't = avoid being taking out by Cavendish's dark side.
1-up to thirty is pretty normal if you aren't fodder. Which Rebecca wasn't and she recieved help of that female gladiator. From there she kept fighting Suileman(first she actually seems doing good to me) while 10 person drops.
2- Cavendish was just in front of her when he fell asleep. Seeing how close they were and how he ended up disturbing her fight it is petty nomal that she remarks that Cavendish is acting weirdly( he bumped on Suileman by accident while seeming to be dizzy or groggy).
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@RobbyBevard:
Stop doing the colored text thing. It's annoying.
Says the guy with the coloured name and gif avatar…
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So do you guys think Cavendish knows about his inner demon? Bastille sure speaks about the fame it brings him but it's still quite unclear, unless I'm missing something.
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Aw, that's a shame~
I guess lightly armoured females will stay for a while, it's such a rarity to actually see some who are well protected by those pieces of metal… they can even be so beautiful~
Hmhmh Captain America?
I agree with the sentiment. Like whole plate armour with delicately chiselled floral ornaments, possibly encrusted with metal of different colour.
"I'm a bad guy! I don't save the day, I don't fly off to the sunset and I don't get the girl! I'm going home." - MegaMind
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rebecca's victory did not like.
But it must have a reason.
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1.) again, franky's defeated 2 of his officers of already
2.) dwarves are powerful, he knows this. "Oh i've taken 500 of their friends, and you mean Franky's rampaging infront of the toyhouse.I wonder if these dwarves who are ALL OVER THIS ISLAND would know? Maybe I should expect something with them…."
3.) "I don't want to underestimate the SHS. W****hat if they get underground….maybe I should have my guys on alert and/or station more people down there...."
4.) blah
5.) "If SH somehow gets out.....he'd come here right?"
6.) "these SHs have disappeared for 2 years and trained b/c I heard on the newspaper they took out pacifistas like nothing AND look at what happened on Punk Hazard, maybe I should expect them to be better than just regular trash."Nothing requires a 4th wall breaking, just some common sense IF you aren't underestimating your opponents. Even Crocodile, who thought himself so above all the weaklings, expected his subordinates to loose or betray him, and that his opponents would do exactly what he feared and took countermeasures (BB destroying the castle, BB talking to the leader, the rebel leader finding out about the truth, what happens if forces stop fighting).
The only thing he didn't prepare for was a flying bird and himself loosing. What DD is underestimating is the SHs' strenght and that his subordinates would win, the fact that SHs somehow NOT getting down underground even though he's had ample evidence that they already know about the factory's location.
So, by your logic Jinbe really should have checked up on Arlong even though he didn't hear anything about him for ten years. After all, he knew Arlong existed and hated humans, so its only common sense that he was slaughtering and extorting a village while bribing the marines, so he really should have dealt with that at some point based on all the facts he didn't have.
Also, Whitebeard should probably have killed Teach sometime in the 20 years he was inside his ranks, because his inevitable treachery must have been obvious to anyone that has the narrator's perspective.
And Sengoku really should have taken out Rayleigh on Sabondy at some point when rumors started coming forward that he was chilling out there. And maybe had Jinbe killed instead of just imprisoned, since him turning full traitor and escaping the inescapable prison was bound to happen. And forseen Hancock falling in love with Luffy.
And Moria probably should have noticed that a pirate crew was destroying his zombies one by one and hoarding their shadows and taken extra special attention to deal with Brook.
And Kuro as a master planner really should have anticipated the random appearance of three really strong guys appearing hours before his flawless, otherwise perfectly executed multi-year plan went off.
THE AUDIENCE IS NOT THE CHARACTERS. The characters don't see everything we do, they don't have all the same insights. Whats obvious to you, because you have extra facts (and often flashbacks!) and because you have a regular focus on the heroes… has zero reason to reasonably occur to anyone in the story... and that's part of what's thrilling as a reader... BECAUSE you know about those chinks that the villain is unaware of, so you can gleefully anticipate the unexpected getting to him.
But it isn't the character's fault that a situation that they've taken completely reasonable precautions on, where they are currently 100% in control, has an unanticipated X factor.
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As pointed out by Applejack in the spoiler thread, the fact that Rebecca survived because of her armor is kinda funny.
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Cavendish has a split personality that violently cuts up and decimates anybody in its way?
LOVE IT.
Oda does it again with his clever red-herrings and unpredictability.
Poor Meadows. >.>Besides Hakuba, Rebecca winning, and Doflamingo's monologue, there wasn't that much to this chapter, which is kinda disheartening due to the long break.
I really hope Oda shifts back to the Senor Pink fight, because it looks like he just pulled a suplex on Franky. XD
Overall, good chapter.
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awesome chapter. now to wait for the next one lol
and is cavendish even his real name? i wonder if hes some sort of prince? so mysterious <3 hakubas face could have given me nightmares lol.we have two sleeping beautys in this chapter, one with a curse and one whos almost dead lol
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@RobbyBevard:
So, by your logic Jinbe really should have checked up on Arlong even though he didn't hear anything about him for ten years. After all, he knew Arlong existed and hated humans, so its only common sense that he was slaughtering and extorting a village while bribing the marines, so he really should have dealt with that based on all the facts he didn't have.
if Jimbe's life goals were in danger b/c of arlong's actions, yes. There was no indication that, that was what Arlong's goals were, just that he hated humans. But DD knows that if he loose the factory, he'll loose his last card and should factor in everything that could make him loose it. Jimbe was, if anything negligent b/c he had more pressing matters. DD knows what the dwarves plans are to go rescue their friends that are in the factory.
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Yeah, but what if her opponent doesn't try attacking at all?
It's a tournament and her style is build for the tournament. I doubt a guy is gonna stand around and just let night fall on them while he is suppose to be fighting for the mera. At least it is really unlikely for a guy like that to appear.
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Except that by nature, Rebecca never goes on the offensive against anyone. She's not going to get stronger even if she ended up with the Gura Gura no Mi, because she'd just sit there watching as other characters belittle her, and has yet to stand up for herself even once. Zoro wants to get stronger by defeating guys that are stronger than him, Rebecca wants to get stronger by never hitting a fly.
She's gotten as strong as she is just fine, which appears to be stronger than everyone in her block save Hakuba. No reason she couldn't get even stronger following the same path. There's also no reason she couldn't change her mind later on.
If Rebecca was even in the same stratosphere as Luffy or the others power wise, she wouldn't have displayed any surprise at all. And if a character is so desperate that she needs to cheapshot some nice unsuspecting old man, wouldn't that indicate weakness? She also started sobbing again right after I believe. Pushback can be as simple as her saying "I will prove my abilities!" or something, but instead she just stood there sulking. She was also visibly upset by the audience's jeering.
People in the stratosphere above Luffy have consistently shown surprise about his abilities. Rebecca did not expect Luffy to be as strong as he was. Just like Crocodile. Just like Enel. Just like pretty much everyone in the series pre-timeskip. Those who you specified as not commenting in this tournament are aware of just who Luffy is. Rebecca was not, and still isn't.
Characters have been consistently faster than Rebecca for a long time now. Hell, even Bluegilly pretty much had similar feats of speed.
You mean in the isolated system of block B, which contained no overlap with block D at all allowing zero points of comparison for the speeds involved?
he literally just did, wtf?
I am treating Hakuba as a separate character for the moment, since we know for a fact that he's stronger than Cavendish, thus Cavendish himself hasn't done anything of particular note in block D, which you'd have thought he would have if he was that much stronger.
How so? Did she block or dodge Cavendish's attack? No, it landed, drew blood, and took her out temporarily.
Surviving via deus ex machina to me is not a display of strength. Is being the biggest frog in the well an indicator of beauty? No, that frog is still ugly when placed alongside a peacock, and that's just what's going to happen with Rebecca as she's placed alongside true powerhouses like Burgess.
She reacted to it and avoided the worst of it, something no one else in the block managed. That's not a deus ex machina. Her ability to move quickly was foreshadowed by most of the previous chapter.
These comments are more directed towards the comment of how I think Rebecca's victory was poorly handled. Like I've said before, it's a pyrrhic victory. Rebecca moves on in the competition, but will now be getting pummeled by a Yonkou commander instead of Cavendish. Her chances of obtaining the Mera Mera no Mi have gone from 0 to, well 0, nothing's changed. And if Rebecca wins via deus ex machina again, then Oda better have a very very very convincing way to pull it off, otherwise it'll look like something out of Bleach or Fairy Tail.
Well this is entirely down to your faith, or lack thereof, that Oda will be able to make something of the fact that she's advanced. I think maybe you're misusing the phrase 'pyrrhic victory', because it means a technical victory which has so great a cost that it might as well be a defeat. Rebecca has lost nothing by advancing, however she does it. She never had anything to lose from the start, and if by some miracle she wins, she's achieved what she was aiming for. If, for example, she managed to defeat Doflamingo but Soldier-san died as a result of her actions, that would be a pyrrhic victory.
What determination? Is it the fact that she's trying to obtain an offensive power while she by nature is completely incapable of going on the offence? What willpower? Is it the fact that she broke down sobbing after trying to feed then stab Luffy? Or is it the fact that she just stands there looking sad while other contestants mock her.
You keep pointing out just how strong the enemies she's going to be fighting are. Has she backed down even once? No. She's not stupid enough to believe she's the biggest fish in the pond, but she's still trying. That's determination. She's been enduring the jeers of the crowd and the scorn of pretty much everyone in the entire country for years, she's still fighting, she still believes in herself and keeps going. That's willpower. If you think the fact that she cries about it somehow undoes that then I guess that just means I find her more empathetic than you.
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Cavendish is cool, he had to win him.
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Cavendish is cool, he had to win him.
He will be a good allyLuffy finds a way for him to deal with his Mr. Hyde problem and he'll fall for Luffy (bro-mantically, like everyone) and will be an ally for life. /end
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Cavendish is cool, he had to win him.
He will be a good allyLook at Hakuba again though… Is that the face of an ally?
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It's a tournament and her style is build for the tournament. I doubt a guy is gonna stand around and just let night fall on them while he is suppose to be fighting for the mera. At least it is really unlikely for a guy like that to appear.
Actually that would be quite common seeing many a martial art is defensive, using the attackers strength against him, like Aikido and Judo for instance…
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if Jimbe's life goals were in danger b/c of arlong's actions, yes. There was no indication that, that was what Arlong's goals were, just that he hated humans. But DD knows that if he loose the factory, he'll loose his last card and should factor in everything that could make him loose it. Jimbe was, if anything negligent b/c he had more pressing matters. DD knows what the dwarves plans are to go rescue their friends that are in the factory.
if Doflamingos's life goals were in danger b/c of the dwarves's actions, yes. There was no indication that, that was what Dwarves's goals were, just that they were in the area and had been quelled for over a decade. But Jinbe knows that Arlong hates and will probably harm humans, and should factor in everything that could be something Arlong would do. Doflamingo was, if anything negligent b/c he had more pressing matters. Jinbe knows what Arlong's mindset is like to go beat up humans in a weaker ocean and should have checked on him during that decade.
You can't blame a character for not having the same information the audience has.
Now, if he is told next chapter "sir, dwarves have dug a tunnel under the factory and brought strawhats with them" or if he's told "Sir, Luffy in the arena seems to be fighting with a style different from earlier" and THEN he goes "eh, whatever"… THEN its negligence and overconfidence.
He's guarded every entrance he knows about, moved and put on his best security where its important, and deception of Sabo aside, knows where almost all the powerful players on the island are exactly, INCLUDING an admiral thats on his side and the already defeated Law. He's got it completely under control.
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I mean i get it, nobody finds Mayweather style defense, with the rolling and swaying super exciting.
But you gotta recognize the defensive mastership when you see it. Sure Rebecca is like 90% def and 10% off but that works for her
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Or he could postponed the assassination of Bellamy to another day.
Yeah, but if you look at the thought process that would require it doesn't make much sense. He would have to a) accept that Dellinger might fail and then b) assume Bellamy would betray him as a result, specifically by helping Luffy (the guy who trashed him on Jaya and put him right into Doflamingo's bad graces in the first place). Doflamingo would have to be paranoid beyond what's reasonable to consider that to be a genuine risk. It may have happened anyway, but I would argue that it was in no way reasonably predictable and that him not taking it into consideration is in no way him underestimating anybody.
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Look at Hakuba again though… Is that the face of an ally?
if Cavendish learn to control Habuka, maybe
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@Monkey:
The stick up your ass should probably be forbidden and deactivated instead.
There are good reasons why simple mailing lists/text emails are still widely used so it has nothing to do with not liking colors or being uptight.
Monkey King, i never thought id actually write this in front of everyone, but could you please elevate this thread with your elegant presence and sharp tounged eloquence?
Even if MK makes often good points regarding OP I can easily do without reading how he frequently insults others.
@God:
Sorry, I thought when he mentioned the Straw Hats he said the names of the ones on the ship excluding Sanji, but from what we've seen when Doflamingo beat Sanji, him and the others were an afterthought that is going to bite him in the ass.
Maybe, but not necessarily. He just can't do anything about them as long as he didn't clean up the mess on his island aside from watching the shore.
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Would be cool to see Zoro's tornado go up against Hakuba's wind.
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Look at Hakuba again though… Is that the face of an ally?
Cavendish has a split personality. Unless we are talking about a villain who was introduced just to fight and die, a character with split personality is only introduced in a manga to someday surpass it. So, yeah, I say someday (maybe even in this very arc) Cavendish will appear again and will be defeated as Hakuba in a way that will force him to accept this "ugly side" of his self and that will lead to he being able to unleash his full power regularly (and stop acting as a white knight x blood thirst villain).
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And yet RobbyBevard keeps on saying that everything is still going according to Doffys plan.
Believe me, I love a good debate but I think it's quite clear he is underestimating the Straw hats.
Crocodile did so too but he might have had good reason. What had the SH's done before Alabasta that was even noteworthy for one like crocodile? For him, the SH's were just nobodies, weaklings in a sea of big names while it has become quite clear that Luffy has become a force to be reckoned with.Well the one responsible for Crocodile failure was actually Robin. She let Vivi get her info then let her get away from the pirate graveyard with the information. Than let Sanji passed to save the strawhats and Vivi. I really can get Luffy credit for ruining that plan.
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@.access:
Cavendish has a split personality. Unless we are talking about a villain who was introduced just to fight and die, a character with split personality is only introduced in a manga to someday surpass it. So, yeah, I say someday (maybe even in this very arc) Cavendish will appear again and will be defeated as Hakuba in a way that will force him to accept this "ugly side" of his self and that will lead to he being able to unleash his full power regularly (and stop acting as a white knight x blood thirst villain).
No, so far it's only sleepwalking and it's more fun if he stays that way, meaning having no control over it. Though I wonder what happens in combination with Brooke's music. :D
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Well the one responsible for Crocodile failure was actually Robin. She let Vivi get her info then let her get away from the pirate graveyard with the information. Than let Sanji passed to save the strawhats and Vivi. I really can get Luffy credit for ruining that plan.
Ah damn, I forgot, the Straw hats were only extra's in that arc, sipping pina colada's in the spa at the palace, punking rainbows and shitting lollypops while somewhere closeby some kind of civil war made a little noise but they didn't lose any sleep over it. excuse me for forgetting this. I'll reread the arc just to be safe.
BTW, I loved it when Mr. Prince, a.k.a. Robin as we all know now, crushed crocodiles let's-kill-the-straw-hats-plan.Remember, remember, the 5th of November
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So do you guys think Cavendish knows about his inner demon? Bastille sure speaks about the fame it brings him but it's still quite unclear, unless I'm missing something.
I suppose he does since he must find corpse lying around him when he wakes up from sleep.
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Ah damn, I forgot, the Straw hats were only extra's in that arc, sipping pina colada's in the spa at the palace, punking rainbows and shitting lollypops while somewhere closeby some kind of civil war made a little noise but they didn't lose any sleep over it. excuse me for forgetting this. I'll reread the arc just to be safe.
BTW, I loved it when Mr. Prince, a.k.a. Robin as we all know now, crushed crocodiles let's-kill-the-straw-hats-plan.Luffy kicked Crocodile's ass and wasn't shitting lolipops. Neither were the other Strawhats.
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Yeah, but if you look at the thought process that would require it doesn't make much sense. He would have to a) accept that Dellinger might fail and then b) assume Bellamy would betray him as a result, specifically by helping Luffy (the guy who trashed him on Jaya and put him right into Doflamingo's bad graces in the first place). Doflamingo would have to be paranoid beyond what's reasonable to consider that to be a genuine risk. It may have happened anyway, but I would argue that it was in no way reasonably predictable and that him not taking it into consideration is in no way him underestimating anybody.
But killing Bellamy isn't an urgent matter. He has important things going on today with dangerous enemies there. Why take the risk of creating an other enemy? Does he really need to take the risk of creating a wild card on the island?
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Ah damn, I forgot, the Straw hats were only extra's in that arc, sipping pina colada's in the spa at the palace, punking rainbows and shitting lollypops while somewhere closeby some kind of civil war made a little noise but they didn't lose any sleep over it. excuse me for forgetting this. I'll reread the arc just to be safe.
BTW, I loved it when Mr. Prince, a.k.a. Robin as we all know now, crushed crocodiles let's-kill-the-straw-hats-plan.[hide]
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Dofla has everything under control 100%… BASED ON WHAT HE KNOWS.
The reader's know his plans are going to hell, because the readers have the omnipotent narrator helping them out.
The characters don't know that
a)this is a story and the strawhats are guaranteed to win
b)the narrator isn't showing them everything going on, including flashbacks and internal dialogues.Dofla trusting in his underlings is no different than Luffy trusting Zoro to take care of something. Dofla getting information is no different than Nami being told something over snail.
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But killing Bellamy isn't an urgent matter. He has important things going on today with dangerous enemies there. Why take the risk of creating an other enemy? Does he really need to take the risk of creating a wild card on the island?
Doflamingo didn't see it as a risk. Even if you ignore the bit where Bellamy betrays him by helping a former enemy, what reason does he have to believe someone would interfere? None. What reason does he have to believe Dellinger would fail? None. He would have been right if not for Barto - a totally unpredictable element.
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There's no such thing as a foolproof plan. So i'd have to side with the guys that say that Doffy is doing the best he could with his current knowledge
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@RobbyBevard:
if Doflamingos's life goals were in danger b/c of the dwarves's actions, yes. There was no indication that, that was what Dwarves's goals were, just that they were in the area and had been quelled for over a decade. But Jinbe knows that Arlong hates and will probably harm humans, and should factor in everything that could be something Arlong would do. Doflamingo was, if anything negligent b/c he had more pressing matters. Jinbe knows what Arlong's mindset is like to go beat up humans in a weaker ocean and should have checked on him during that decade.
You can't blame a character for not having the same information the audience has.
Now, if he is told next chapter "sir, dwarves have dug a tunnel under the factory and brought strawhats with them" or if he's told "Sir, Luffy in the arena seems to be fighting with a style different from earlier" and THEN he goes "eh, whatever"… THEN its negligence and overconfidence.
He's guarded every entrance he knows about, moved and put on his best security where its important, and deception of Sabo aside, knows where almost all the powerful players on the island are exactly, INCLUDING an admiral thats on his side and the already defeated Law. He's got it completely under control.
Not underestimating his enemy is again, preparing for this worst. He doesn't expect his 4 guys in front of the toyhouses to be defeated? That's pretty big gamble.
We're not expected him to know everything. I even said that there are factors even he would never be able to predict, but not underestimating enemies means he should be able to take precautions, especially with the knowledge he should have at the current moment.
@RobbyBevard:
Dofla has everything under control 100%… BASED ON WHAT HE KNOWS.
there is a difference between knowing and extropolating from that knowledge IF you weren't underestimating your enemies or the possible scenarios of things going wrong. Again, I point to Croc, he didn't know EVERYTHING that was going on, but he for everything that could've been a hinderince to his plan (for the most part).
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Luffy kicked Crocodile's ass and wasn't shitting lolipops. Neither were the other Strawhats.
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[/hide]I thought flandrian was being sarcastic….?
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The thing is that her style isn't to be a strong fighter, it's about skill. Not only did she use her skills to keep up with Hakuba, she withstood a hit(adjusting herself) and managed to get up again. The boring flashback you talk about built up to this. At least what she's said to be good at, she's shown to be good at and that's why she's a completely fine character. This just proves that people only want dumb power-level fights and not unique fighting styles clashing.
I think you're going to get over the fact that a lot of people see someone fighting in a coliseum with the plan to eventually beat a monster without even attempting to hit them, but rather push them out of the ring as completely idiotic. Having then someone do all heavy lifting and beating all the strong contenders then conveniently going to sleep instead of continuing to strike her as a silly plot device.. which could very likely continue with her being the winner of the free for all next round thanks to the power of her speed, impressive CoO & unique fighting style.. sorry I meant to say plot device.
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Not underestimating his enemy is again, preparing for this worst. He doesn't expect his 4 guys in front of the toyhouses to be defeated? That's pretty big gamble.
We're not expected him to know everything. I even said that there are factors even he would never be able to predict, but not underestimating enemies means he should be able to take precautions, especially with the knowledge he should have at the current moment.
Well a top officer, Trebol, is also literally in the factory as a potential last line of defense. From DD's POV I think the colosseum all-star squad and Trebol is a solid defense. He also should be keeping some pieces to move to check Zoro, Kin'emon, Robin, and Usopp whose locations and actions he's unsure of.
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Doflamingo didn't see it as a risk. Even if you ignore the bit where Bellamy betrays him by helping a former enemy, what reason does he have to believe someone would interfere? None. What reason does he have to believe Dellinger would fail? None. He would have been right if not for Barto - a totally unpredictable element.
Well they are in a coliseum full of people with problem with Doflamingo. That one of them will help another peson being attacked by a minion of his isn't out of the question. Or that some benevolent participant could help.Or that Bellamy could escape. Or he could someone impotant info while agonizing. It's not like he knows the people fighting here or that it impossible to escape an assassination. When you are on a special day you don't act like it was a casual one.
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I thought flandrian was being sarcastic….?
He was. He is trying to say that I minimized Luffy role. But I like taking every post I respond to seriously.
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Not underestimating his enemy is again, preparing for this worst. He doesn't expect his 4 guys in front of the toyhouses to be defeated? That's pretty big gamble.
Only because you as a reader know the strawhats will win.
Given the reaction Dofla has to the arena battles, it seems his top minions are undefeated champions that have never failed him in the course of decades and regularly take out haki endowed New World bounties worth 300 million without breaking a sweat… and that in fact, just one guy should be more than enough to deal with a Blackbeard crew member AND Luffy. That even after Ceaser, Vergo and Monet were defeated... he doesn't seem to think their level of skill is any sort of marker to worry about.
His top guys are clearly REALLY good, you're the one underestimating them.
If you have to plan for anything stronger than that, then its a force of nature beyond your control to plan for anyway. What's he supposed to do, Focus all his personal attention on one spot instead of watching the entire island? Order the ADMIRAL to go defend it?
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Not underestimating his enemy is again, preparing for this worst. He doesn't expect his 4 guys in front of the toyhouses to be defeated? That's pretty big gamble.
We're not expected him to know everything. I even said that there are factors even he would never be able to predict, but not underestimating enemies means he should be able to take precautions, especially with the knowledge he should have at the current moment.
there is a difference between knowing and extropolating from that knowledge IF you weren't underestimating your enemies or the possible scenarios of things going wrong. Again, I point to Croc, he didn't know EVERYTHING that was going on, but he for everything that could've been a hinderince to his plan (for the most part).
he thinks franky is attacking alone against lao g,dellinger,machvise,senor pink,sugar and trebol…if he didn't though all those guys could be franky,he would have a pretty poor opinion of his own crew
also..wat exactly can doflamingo do more than what he is already doing?all his "pieces" are alredy in place,either at the toy house, the palace or the port (all those places connected to each other,so moving forces between this places it's no big deal),plus he has an admiral on his side..what else he needs to do to "prepare for the worst"? -
Well a top officer, Trebol, is also literally in the factory as a potential last line of defense. From DD's POV I think the colosseum all-star squad and Trebol is a solid defense. He also should be keeping some pieces to move to check Zoro, Kin'emon, Robin, and Usopp whose locations and actions he's unsure of.
1.) Trebol is defending Sugar, not the factory, based on his "information that he has at the current moment" they are after the factory, not sugar.
2.) If he wasn't underestimating his enemies, he should've prepared for what happens IF they get to the factory, not "they'll never get to the factory."
3.) His officers have been defeated and quite easily at that (before on Punk Hazard). His knowledge right now is that Zoro who has a much larger bounty than Franky (who defeated his officers), is also still on the island and his making movements. He should keenly be able to extrpolate from this info, that it is possible Trebol can get his ass kicked IF he wasn't underestimating his enemies. (if he can reason that it is a possibility that they get to the factory).
My point is he should not underestimating SHs, and my opinion is that he is. Their knowledge of sugar, them teaming up with the dwarves and sabo are the 3 BIG factors he shouldn't be able to anticipate, no matter what.
If he wasn't underestimating the enemy and expected them to somehow get to the factory, then he should tell his men to stay where they are. B/c of his men were being re-routed (by their choice or orders) to where Franky was, without knowing where the hell the other SHs are or where they would attack from..
he thinks franky is attacking alone against lao g,dellinger,machvise,senor pink,sugar and trebol…if he didn't though all those guys could be franky,he would have a pretty poor opinion of his own crew
also..wat exactly can doflamingo do more than what he is already doing?all his "pieces" are alredy in place,either at the toy house, the palace or the port (all those places connected to each other,so moving forces between this places it's no big deal),plus he has an admiral on his side..what else he needs to do to "prepare for the worst"?It's not poor opinion of the crew, its the fact that members of his crew were beaten, EASILY, by only one SH already. Right now he doesn't think they'll be likely to be defeated, which means he is underestimating the SHs. The fact that he is thinks highly of his crew (against information he already has), means he's underestimating the SHs. He has other officers, but they're currently IN THE CASTLE (at least from our last view of them).
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1.) Trebol is defending Sugar, not the factory, based on his "information that at the current moment" they are after the factory, not sugar.
2.) If he wasn't underestimating his enemies, he should've prepared for what happens IF they get to the factory, not "they'll never get to the factory."
3.) His officers have been defeated and quite easily at that (before on Punk Hazard). His knowledge right now is that Zoro who has a much larger bounty than Franky (who defeated his officers), is also still on the island and his making movements. He should keenly be able to extrpolate from this info, that it is possible Trebol can get his ass kicked IF he wasn't underestimating his enemies. (if he can reason that it is a possibility that they get to the factory).
My point is he should not underestimating SHs, and my opinion is that he is. Their knowledge of sugar, them teaming up with the dwarves and sabo are the 3 BIG factors he shouldn't be able to anticipate, no matter what.
If he wasn't underestimating the enemy and expected them to somehow get to the factory, then he should tell his men to stay where they are. B/c of his men were being re-routed (by their choice or orders) to where Franky was, without knowing where the hell the other SHs are or where they would attack from..
1)the moment someone attacks,he will protect both.
2)he is guarding with numerous men the 2 entrances to the factory..form his point of view,if the strawhats manage to get to the factory,it is because they have already defeated him,and at that point,no plan can save him
3)zoro and kinemon can be whenever they want,the entrance to the factory is still OR at the palace,OR from the toy house (this because doflamigo doesn't know about the tunnel and the dwarf's involvement)…so zoro being free to act doesn't really menas much,when in the end the strawhats MUST pass from the places doflamingo is already guarding with all their forces.
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It's not poor opinion of the crew, its the fact that members of his crew were beaten, EASILY, by only one SH already. Right now he doesn't think they'll be likely to be defeated, which means he is underestimating the SHs. The fact that he is thinks highly of his crew (against information he already has), means he's underestimating the SHs. He has other officers, but they're currently IN THE CASTLE (at least from our last view of them).
The only people who've been beaten so far are the grunts though.
Franky is facing down one of his best fighters, with the rest of his fighting squad on their way.
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Well they are in a coliseum full of people with problem with Doflamingo. That one of them will help another peson being attacked by a minion of his isn't out of the question. Or that some benevolent participant could help.Or that Bellamy could escape. Or he could someone impotant info while agonizing. It's not like he knows the people fighting here or that it impossible to escape an assassination. When you are on a special day you don't act like it was a casual one.
What reason Doflamingo had to kill Bellamy today?Today is the day that he failed and earned his death. Plus, block D was underway by that point, so actually all of those people with a problem were either in the ring or in a hole. For him to consider the possibility of interference was for him to consider the possibility of interference specifically from Burgess (a commander under an evil Yonko with no respect for his own nakama, let alone other people), Barto (A man called 'cannibal' and also known for his cruelty) or Luffy (the aforementioned enemy). Three people in an entire coliseum, none of them with any reason to help even if they were around to notice. Shouldn't have been a risk.
Ed Balls
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1.) Trebol is defending Sugar, not the factory, based on his "information that he has at the current moment" they are after the factory, not sugar.
2.) If he wasn't underestimating his enemies, he should've prepared for what happens IF they get to the factory, not "they'll never get to the factory."
3.) His officers have been defeated and quite easily at that (before on Punk Hazard). His knowledge right now is that Zoro who has a much larger bounty than Franky (who defeated his officers), is also still on the island and his making movements. He should keenly be able to extrpolate from this info, that it is possible Trebol can get his ass kicked IF he wasn't underestimating his enemies. (if he can reason that it is a possibility that they get to the factory).
My point is he should not underestimating SHs, and my opinion is that he is. Their knowledge of sugar, them teaming up with the dwarves and sabo are the 3 BIG factors he shouldn't be able to anticipate, no matter what.
If he wasn't underestimating the enemy and expected them to somehow get to the factory, then he should tell his men to stay where they are. B/c of his men were being re-routed (by their choice or orders) to where Franky was, without knowing where the hell the other SHs are or where they would attack from..
It's not poor opinion of the crew, its the fact that members of his crew were beaten, EASILY, by only one SH already. Right now he doesn't think they'll be likely to be defeated, which means he is underestimating the SHs. The fact that he is thinks highly of his crew (against information he already has), means he's underestimating the SHs. He has other officers, but they're currently IN THE CASTLE (at least from our last view of them).
He's sending all his men to the only entrance beside the palace which he personally oversees. That, I wouldn't call that underestimating the enemy. The last line of defense is Sugar and Trebol.
Moreover he doesn't have unlimited men power and he expects the marines and a frigging admiral to help him while the most important enemy left, Luffy, is expected to be imprisoned in the Colosseum. -
Unfortunately, Oda will never appear in Jump Festa in the future…:sad:
http://thumbnails110.imagebam.com/30138/7d9277301378429.jpgOh WOW! I was there when he told us but I NEVER expected him to publicly reveal that so soon!
