Naruto and Bleach IV- Sexy time

zxcv11791

Hmm the man with the most useless Bankai ever. Maybe this will be suitable Gravity > Kon > Yamcha = Renji > Orihime > Chad

Hmm need to factor in Sakura somehow…

maybe

Sakura ≥ Orihime = Renji using Yamcha as a sword ≥ Kon

y2kyle89

…There's a complex numbers joke in here somewhere...

Aru

Sorry, guys, but you got it all wrong:

Gravity > A dead body > A speck of dust > Chad > Kon > Renji > Any girl/woman written by Kubo/Kishi >>>>>>>> Yamcha

I mean, you can pretty much create any list, but one thing always remains the same - Yamcha is always at the very end and no one is even close.

TheCrystalShip

@Aru:

Sorry, guys, but you got it all wrong:

Gravity > A dead body > A speck of dust > Chad > Kon > Renji > Any girl/woman written by Kubo/Kishi >>>>>>>> Yamcha

I mean, you can pretty much create any list, but one thing always remains the same - Yamcha is always at the very end and no one is even close.

I would have put Chad below Kon and Renji, but otherwise yeah.

Deviant_Mugen

Chad below Renji and Kon? Hell no. Chad has at least won some fights on his own, unlike Renji.

Also, Chad is a fellow Mexican (though he's only half-Mexican), so I'll always defend him…

Smiley

Wait even Sakura is better than Yamcha, are you sure?

Hnikarr

Wait, does Sakura still fight? I tought she was just a cheerleader, by now…

Aru

@Smiley:

Wait even Sakura is better than Yamcha, are you sure?

That's the whole point of this discussion - everyone knows that Yamcha is the worst. Now we only need to talk how close are other characters to being as shitty as he is. Talk what you want about Sakura - she's no Yamcha.

Drayenko

Who the hell is Kon?

kouch_lee

@Aru:

That's the whole point of this discussion - everyone knows that Yamcha is the worst. Now we only need to talk how close are other characters to being as shitty as he is. Talk what you want about Sakura - she's no Yamcha.

Yamcha is actually the smartest character: he aknowledged his own suckiness and stopped fighting to avoid getting curbstomped every single time. . .

. . .and his reward was getting killed. Again.

At least he made some money paying baseball, and he (apparently) became a playboy. . . but seeing his CV? I'm sure that was a facade, and in reality he spent all his days swallowing sadness in a dark corner of a dimly lit room dreaming of going back to the desert with his flying cat thingy, his old days of unparalleled glory. . .

Anyone up for a phlosophical drama based on the tragic life of Yamcha? Oscar material right there.

RollingStone

@Aru:

That's the whole point of this discussion - everyone knows that Yamcha is the worst. Now we only need to talk how close are other characters to being as shitty as he is. Talk what you want about Sakura - she's no Yamcha.

Woah, woah woah. If anything was shitty was the treatment Toriyama gave him. Sakura is the fucking worst character in the history of Story Telling.

NER

If Kishi or Kubo were the ones writing that Dressrosa flashback we've seen in the lastest One Piece chapter they'd have needed a whole volume or even more, and even with that they would have missed some important details and fucked up the current story with as much plotholes and retcons as they could fit in.

Just sayian.

Daz

Okay. Got a little bit of time on my hands. Lets do this.

Bleach 556: Nonsense and character assasination

First things first: Quinzi girl is using the Angel Mode. Fine. Makes sense. But is she using the insanely overpowered Spirit Vacuum move? NNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOPE, she's using the same quinzi magic move she did before. Only its more powerful now I guess. So angel mode is just a SSJ stat boost then. Siiiiiigh. Fantastic.
Secondly: Okay, so you claim your ability is "Make anything i put my Reishi into explode". Thats a pretty insanely powerful ability, not as much as a spirit vacuum, but up there. So why aren't you doing that? You are just shooting DBZ energy balls at people, but according to yourself, you can pretty much just point at something, transfer a bit of your spirit energy into it, and make it go boom. Was that what you did with Shinji? You put a little bit of your reishi into his shoulder? Well, it was effective, so Why not do a lot more than that? And if all you do is shoot energy balls all over the place, that makes your quip about Shinjis shikai amount to nothing more than "yay, I landed a lucky hit!"
Third: I'm pretty sure the girl was stabbed through the chest two weeks ago. No effect? And don't give me "Blut Vene!" because one thing is hardening your body to avoid an attack, another is trying to have it do any good after being neatly perforated through several quite vital organs.
Oh Hai Hinamori. Are you going to show off your boom-stick sword in a match against this explosive Quinzi Girl? Be competent or useful in any way? Hahaha, of course not. Just stick around so that Komamura can have someone to protect. Ugh. She didn't even shoot a single fireball, but at least she didn't moan about Aizen.

Komamura: Her explosions are no joke! I cannot allow myself to get hit! But with this armor, I should be able to take the hits!
takes a hit
Komamura: Uh oh, getting hit is a bad idea! Now, I must protect Shinjis body- not by moving it out of the way, but by tanking a shitload of bombs!!!

Or am I getting this wrong? Quinzigirls ability is that anything her energy balls hit becomes a bomb and explodes? Komamura sure seems fine for wearing exploding armor then. And Shinji getting hit doesn't mean that he explodes, but just the shoulder- the part I assume was hit-explodes? Riiiight.

Of course, this is where the real stupid starts. In the words of Mr Plinkett: Nothing anyone says makes any sense. So I'll break it down bit by bit. This could of course be partially due to translation issues, but knowing Kubo I doubt the whole blame lies here.

Snowy: As punishment for the sins they committed while alive, our werewolf clan was punished by banishment to the animal realm.

OKAY. Hold up.

Theres a werewolf clan? Which was living in the human world? They must have been, going by the "while alive" statement. Where the hell did these jokers come from? And how do they figure into Kubos already incomprehensible Human/hollow/shinigami/quincy system? Are they some bastard offshoot like the fullbullshitters?
Where the hell is the "animal realm"? Why is it a punishment to be sent there? Or is it figuratively speaking- they were turned into animal shapes? That seems true for Snowy, but what about anthropomorphic, bipedal Komamura? I mean, he's not just a big fox. So these guys were half human, half beast, and then shifted more towards beasts?
Since when are the shinigami judges of Evils Commited While Living?? Thats what the Gates of Hell are for! I saw the prior discussion on this issue, and nope, the gates doesn't apply to just hollows. That wouldn't make any sense. All sins as a hollow are removed by the shinigami, and you can go to heaven if you were a nice guy before being a hollow. If the gates only judges your HUMAN sins, and hollow sins are removed, why would it care you were a hollow?
Hollow bias for hell would mean that any mass murderer would get to go to "heaven", as long as the shinigami were on time for theiir konso duty.
So if people went to SS when they die, then, by definition, they are not evil people, and thus should not be punished. Otherwise, they'd have gone to hell.
Phew. Thats was one line.

Snowy:…But since they still didn't die, they eventually came back to Soul Society

...If this takes place after the werewolf people had been killed and became spirit creatures, why would you expect them to die???
At least this shows that "animal realm" means a geographical location.
How do you go about just sort of wandering back into Soul Society from the "animal realm" when you're a big animal thing? And the shinigami didn't care about this?
Two down.

Snowy: By momentarily removing the chains that bind us, we can regain the form we had before being punished and turned into animals, and gain immense power!

BULLSHIT 12 O'CLOCK, FULL STOP
This is where it all just...implodes.

Your punishment WAS being turned into animals?! You JUST talked about the animal realm as if it was a place! So did you get banished somewhere, or did you get transformed?! Make up your mind!
So you can unlock your old bodies. Just like that. Well, that animal transformation was a fucking airtight punishment then. Good job, shinigami. And being a regular human with fuzzy ears of course makes you tougher than being a hulking half-beast. Makes as much sense as if Luccis human form had been his strongest.
Also, lol at the "Werewolf-clans" original form being decidedly, minimally animalistic.

And how must Komamura show himself worthy of this technique? By gouging out his heart of course.
I shouldn't by surprised. It has been shown time and again that organ or massive bloodloss are minor annoyances to shinigami; getting cleanly bisected, or having your innards litterally pulverized by Sszayel is no biggie. So it seems shinigami biology is rather detached from dependence on all those squishy parts.

But then on the other hand, people faint from the good ole' diagonal torso slash, and Ukitake has been dying from soul AIDS for centuries. So fuck it. Removing your heart and living, even your soul heart or whatever, is stupid as shit.

And finally, as I mentioned earlier, Komamura ultimately suceeds in only one thing: Cancelling the only character development he ever had. Losing the basket hat, and letting his foxhead show for the whole world to see? Naaaaaah, fuck that shit, GENERIC BISHIE TIME!

RollingStone

I bet Kubo Created Orihime as a way to justify retcons but he managed to fuck up even that.

NER

@The:

<3

I don't read bleach, but your stuff are still a must-read to me regardless.

Stevenh1990

So somebody on Bleach Asylum that can read Japanese read the raw of the chapter and said:

Okay, raws are finally out.

Dangai Joue is definitely "Broken Armour Rope Garb."

Big Big Dog is definitely referring to the Buddhist concept of the Beast Realm when he says that they fell to the animal realm. All it means is that the Komamuras became animals. There is no new dimension.

Big Big Dog also absolutely says that the clan came back to Soul Society, implying that they were there before falling to the Beast Realm.

Indeed…
Because of sins committed during their lives, our wolfmen clan fell to the Beast Realm.

Nevertheless, the clan eventually returned to Soul Society without dying.

The fact that he says "during life" leads me to believe that the Komamuras were a clan located entirely in Soul Society. Meaning they were all born there, like the noble families. This explains why Komamura has Shinigami powers.

Next line about chains of sin:

By temporarily breaking those chains of sin, we return to our forms from before our punishment as beasts and regain immense power.
What I just described is the Humanization Technique.

All I have to say to this is why couldn't Kubo just say that the clan were turn into wolves and were sent back to earth? lol japan I guess

Gatekeeper

Dunno if anyone's mentioned this but I love how everyone's making a constipated face and Gaara's the only one who like, "Oh shit, What did I just shit out?"

auem

@NER:

If Kishi or Kubo were the ones writing that Dressrosa flashback we've seen in the lastest One Piece chapter they'd have needed a whole volume or even more, and even with that they would have missed some important details and fucked up the current story with as much plotholes and retcons as they could fit in.

Just sayian.

it was as bad…king suddenly wake up to find someone threatening from the window and then rushed out to meet the demand...
it ended even before it began properly...

RollingStone

Yeah. It needed more pointless shit.

Gliblord

Obviously it needed half-page panels of Doffy's tongue poking out

TheCrystalShip

@Gliblord:

Obviously it needed half-page panels of Doffy's tongue poking out

Would not have minded this, TBQH.

Gliblord

@TheCrystalShip:

Would not have minded this, TBQH.

Doffy makes it work

I bet he could stop Luffy's sword with it

TheCrystalShip

I wonder if somewhere, there's another forum where people are analyzing and criticizing One Piece, asking themselves why Law couldn't have swapped Doflamingo into the water.

Gliblord

@TheCrystalShip:

I wonder if somewhere, there's another forum where people are analyzing and criticizing One Piece, asking themselves why Law couldn't have swapped Doflamingo into the water.

No Maam

@Gliblord:

Ah, my nightmares for the next two weeks :D

Thank you.

Gliblord

[h=2]Neh and Bleh IV: Go watch Kung Pow instead[/h]

NER

@auem:

it was as bad…king suddenly wake up to find someone threatening from the window and then rushed out to meet the demand...
it ended even before it began properly...

The flashback was pretty great.
Explained everything(well, almost everything, but we're getting to the laast two details we want to know sooner or later, so)
It was short but STILL made us feel sympathy for Riku and Tank and even the normal people of Dressrosa.
Riku's action were logical to him, being the pacfist he is, everything made sense.
It didnt retcon stuff and was pretty straightforward.
I cant see how Oda fucked up with it like you're suggesting.

auem

Riku's action not logical…how could he think that Dofla would give fair deal,when he already knew how dangerous the was...?..being pacifist and being stupid is not the same thing..Oda made him pretty stupid..
and a nation falling in few hours..i don't know why Oda has to take this route after what we have seen in Alabasta arc...i am reading some people saying it is completely opposite to Alabasta,that's the point...but what purpose it served..?

Basslion

@auem:

Riku's action not logical…how could he think that Dofla would give fair deal,when he already knew how dangerous the was...?..being pacifist and being stupid is not the same thing..Oda made him pretty stupid..

Well, you may consider him a stupid pacifist if you want. He thought that the tradition of DressRosa of being a peaceful island is more important than the money and the lives of the people. And what did Riku know about Dofla? That he was after the money of the Tenryuubito. If everything, DD looks like a shark loaner ex-king to me.

@auem:

and a nation falling in few hours..i don't know why Oda has to take this route after what we have seen in Alabasta arc…i am reading some people saying it is completely opposite to Alabasta,that's the point...but what purpose it served..?

Though that's not the case? Dofla is already the king. I hope you don't wanna say that in general coup d'etats don't happen, and kingdoms don't fall?
And i'm not sure i've seen anyone saying this arc is the complete opposite to Alabasta.. I'm sure i've seen some people saying this arc is similar to Alabasta, mirroring part 1.

Purple Hermit

@auem:

Riku's action not logical…how could he think that Dofla would give fair deal,when he already knew how dangerous the was...?..being pacifist and being stupid is not the same thing..Oda made him pretty stupid..
and a nation falling in few hours..i don't know why Oda has to take this route after what we have seen in Alabasta arc...i am reading some people saying it is completely opposite to Alabasta,that's the point...but what purpose it served..?

Of course, you're right. It's completely illogical to take the risk that he might double cross you over the complete and absolute certainty that he'll decimate your nation.

Daz

@Stevenh1990:

So somebody on Bleach Asylum that can read Japanese read the raw of the chapter and said:

All I have to say to this is why couldn't Kubo just say that the clan were turn into wolves and were sent back to earth? lol japan I guess

So it DOES refer to them being transformed into animals (because theres a kido for that I guess?). But they where also banished? To where? Earth? This "punishment" is still too vague and confusing.

–- Update From New Post Merge ---

@TheCrystalShip:

I wonder if somewhere, there's another forum where people are analyzing and criticizing One Piece, asking themselves why Law couldn't have swapped Doflamingo into the water.

We're self critical enough to do that here.

Takto

@auem:

Riku's action not logical…how could he think that Dofla would give fair deal,when he already knew how dangerous the was...?..being pacifist and being stupid is not the same thing..Oda made him pretty stupid..and a nation falling in few hours..i don't know why Oda has to take this route after what we have seen in Alabasta arc...i am reading some people saying it is completely opposite to Alabasta,that's the point...but what purpose it served..?

So, Dofla came in the middle of the night and threatened the king. He had time till dawn. What in hell could riku actually pull off to stop dofla from what dofla wants to do? What riku did was the only way for him where he had the CHANCE to maintain the good state of his kingdom. Every other way would had doom his kingdom, instantly. Fight back? Instant ownage! Call for help? Wouldn't change the outcome. He hadn't face in dofla's words so he prepared for the betrayal in a way, with the dynamite. I guess for riku was that the only way to go because there was a actual chance, even it was little, to prevent dofla from harming the kingdom.

Strawhat Chan

@The:

So it DOES refer to them being transformed into animals (because theres a kido for that I guess?). But they where also banished? To where? Earth? This "punishment" is still too vague and confusing.

–- Update From New Post Merge ---

We're self critical enough to do that here.

So they commited sins in their lives, and because of that turned into wolves and banished? Wasn't there a special place for people who commit sins? I've heard it's called "Hell". Unless only people who commited sins, then died and then turned into Hollows, are sent there. But in that case, why people like Mayuri haven't punished? I doubt he was a nice person in his former life. Or Kenpachi.

Daz

Regarding the whole issue of Hell, I'll just quote meself from my chapter rant on the last page:

@The:

Since when are the shinigami judges of Evils Commited While Living?? Thats what the Gates of Hell are for! I saw the prior discussion on this issue, and nope, the gates doesn't apply to just hollows. That wouldn't make any sense. All sins as a hollow are removed by the shinigami, and you can go to heaven if you were a nice guy before being a hollow. If the gates only judges your HUMAN sins, and hollow sins are removed, why would it care you were a hollow? Hollow bias for hell would mean that any mass murderer would get to go to "heaven", as long as the shinigami were on time for theiir konso duty.
So if people went to SS when they die, then, by definition, they are not evil people, and thus should not be punished. Otherwise, they'd have gone to hell.

But yeah, its kind of weird that all she horrible mass murdering shit you do after dying (and I'm not talking hollows here) will go completely unpunished.

Also, looking back at the last scene of Komamura and Snowy (reading old chapters of Bleach is always dangerous), the whole "punishment" angle is even weirder; it seems the only real punishment going on is enforced by the Animal People themselves, being too image-conscious to go outside of their gloomy caves. I mean, did we ever see anyone give a single shit about Komamuras appearance, did he ever recieve prejudice or ridicule in any way. I can't even think of a single flashback panel of someone going "lol foxhead!" at him.

Strawhat Chan

@The:

Regarding the whole issue of Hell, I'll just quote meself from my chapter rant on the last page:

But yeah, its kind of weird that all she horrible mass murdering shit you do after dying (and I'm not talking hollows here) will go completely unpunished.

Also, looking back at the last scene of Komamura and Snowy (reading old chapters of Bleach is always dangerous), the whole "punishment" angle is even weirder; it seems the only real punishment going on is enforced by the Animal People themselves, being too image-conscious to go outside of their gloomy caves. I mean, did we ever see anyone give a single shit about Komamuras appearance, did he ever recieve prejudice or ridicule in any way. I can't even think of a single flashback panel of someone going "lol foxhead!" at him.

What are even the sins that Hollow commit? Eating people and souls? That's like judging a lion for his "sins" of eating someone.

Lets take Mayuri. One example of the many assholes living in Soul Society. I doubt he didn't commit any sins in his past life, so lets say he went through the cleansing as well. What exactly is the point of the whole thing if he continued to do his sins in Soul Society?
That's like saying that before entering Heaven you must cleanse your soul in Hell, only to continute raping and killing others in Heaven afterwards.

auem

@Purple:

Of course, you're right. It's completely illogical to take the risk that he might double cross you over the complete and absolute certainty that he'll decimate your nation.

no,you haven't fought for 800 years,yet you keep a army….you have support of marine(have to be or they wouldn't remain unharmed for so long)..you obey and go down to a pirate without any attempt to fight back(closest being the idea of strapping a bomb on yourself)...
whole setup was so lame...

Daz

Yeah, Dressrosa has soldiers. And in this very chapter, and from Elizabello last week, its clear that they will fight pirates to keep the peace. But when Doflamingo comes knocking and says "hey, I'mma take this country", then that is a foregone conclusion. Riku choosing to fight would, with 100% certainty, have resulted in thousands of dead soldiers, and a razed country. The only reasons to fight Doflamingo would be "pride and honor!" which are terrible reasons to meaninglessly discard thousands of lives.
Thats what Riku was talking about. "No I will not let you kill each other meaninglessly. We are better than just striking out in ill-considered rage, and all dying".

Fighting back would have produced litterally nothing but a heap of corpses. Huzzah for pointless glory.

glass

@auem:

no,you haven't fought for 800 years,yet you keep a army….you have support of marine(have to be or they wouldn't remain unharmed for so long)..you obey and go down to a pirate without any attempt to fight back(closest being the idea of strapping a bomb on yourself)...
whole setup was so lame...

Actually they did fight.They sent their troops to help other allied countries and used their troops to defend against invading pirates.Also the marines can't do anything against the shichibukai without any proof,especially DD who kept basically blackmailing them.Trying to give the money is one of the best solutions in that situation.

NER

Flashbacks are one of Oda's strong points IMO.
He's not flawless and he does fuck up at times but not with flashbacks, instead he gives us a masterpiece after another :D

Strawhat Chan

Oh god people now actually think that Kubo didn't pull the Komamura's background of his ass and believe that SS, Huedo Mundo, the living world, etc. are supposed to be the 6 realms of reincarnation.

God realm: the gods lead long and enjoyable lives full of pleasure and abundance… The Soul Kings Palace and Royal Dimension far above Soul Society. Only the Royal Guard reside there.

Demi-god realm: the demi-gods have pleasure and abundance almost as much as the gods, but they spend their time fighting among themselves or making war on the gods.
Seireitei specifically. Where the spiritually adept Shinigami reside.

Human realm: humans suffer…
Sounds like Soul Society. Dead Human souls reside here. Apparently souls aren't hungry here unless they're powerful.

Animal realm: wild animals suffer from being attacked and eaten by other animals.
So this is where animmals go when they die? But also where the Beastmen Komamura Clan originate from? Not much is known about it. The Komamura Clan died and went there before dying again and going to Soul society afterwards apparently. I guess like how Arrancar can die and go to Hell?

Hungry ghost realm: hungry ghosts suffer from extreme hunger and thirst.
Sounds like Huenco Mundo. Hollows eat souls and Menos evolution is based on eating souls.

Hell realm: hell beings endure unimaginable suffering for eons of time.
Pretty much Hell in Bleach I guess.

I'm not sure whether

Cyclone_Baroness

@The:

Regarding the whole issue of Hell, I'll just quote meself from my chapter rant on the last page:

But yeah, its kind of weird that all she horrible mass murdering shit you do after dying (and I'm not talking hollows here) will go completely unpunished.

Also, looking back at the last scene of Komamura and Snowy (reading old chapters of Bleach is always dangerous), the whole "punishment" angle is even weirder; it seems the only real punishment going on is enforced by the Animal People themselves, being too image-conscious to go outside of their gloomy caves. I mean, did we ever see anyone give a single shit about Komamuras appearance, did he ever recieve prejudice or ridicule in any way. I can't even think of a single flashback panel of someone going "lol foxhead!" at him.

The only person that I think commented on the way he looked was Tosen, before and after he turned into a bug.

To comment on the person who brought up Mayuri. That guy was actually in prison for crimes he "might" commit in the future before Uruhara got him out…So there's that.

Daz

Oh right, Tosen, I'd completely forgotten about that. He was one of Kubos most haphazard characters yet, so his ramblings came across as particularly insane, even for Bleach. Like, what does a blind person know about ugliness? Plus, with what he turned into, I don't exactly see his babbling hurting Komamuras self-esteem.

And Mayuri is just a bizarre anomaly all round.

Imprisoned indefinetely for potential crimes!

–>Is released-->

Slaughters subordinates in extraordinarily gruesome fashion, conducts countless horrific experiments. Punishment = none whatsoever.

Silverblade

@The:

And Mayuri is just a bizarre anomaly all round.

Imprisoned indefinetely for potential crimes!

–>Is released-->

Slaughters subordinates in extraordinarily gruesome fashion, conducts countless horrific experiments. Punishment = none whatsoever.

First came the punishmnet, then came the crime.

Mayuri is a reannual plant from Discworld.

Hnikarr

Terry Pratchett quoted in this thread: that's quite surprising.

TLC

Terry Pratchett is awesome. Read that instead.

Silverblade

Pratchett's single reaper man puts to shame all of the death gods Noriaki-kun has ever drawn.

Dryish

@Silverblade:

Pratchett's single reaper man puts to shame all of the death gods Noriaki-kun has ever drawn.

Well, to be fair, he puts to shame about 99% of all fantasy characters ever written, so it's a bit of an unfair comparison. :P

TLC

@Silverblade:

Pratchett's single reaper man puts to shame all of the death gods Noriaki-kun has ever drawn.

How about Mort when Death takes a holiday and gets a job at a fast food joint? Glorious.

Hnikarr

Especially because no other death god would have a horse named Binky.

Baldulf

Or be fond on cats.