General 'Haki' Discussion
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Meh you guys are overthinking things. Typically Haki allows a haki user to bypass a DF users DF defenses like where Luffy loses his blunt damage rubber defense. So with haki any haki user should be able to cut Mr.1 or Jozu…........but the thing is Oda is most likely making some exceptions to the rule due to "PLOT" for hard substance DFs like Mr. 1 (steel) and Jozu (diamond) that even with haki you need to be able to strong enough to cut a certain substance. So if Zoro ever faces Jozu (or probably someone from Blackbeards crew like Shiliew that stole his DF since I don't really see a reason for Zoro to fight Jozu seriously) when he's able to cut him that'll mean he is able to cut diamond. Not becuase he used haki.
Mr 1's defeat could've been the result of a combination of Observation + Armament Haki, though. That long description that Zoro made about hearing the "sound of the rocks falling" wouldn't have been a coincidence.
Also, even under Mihawk's training, I doubt that diamond could be easy to cut through. I mean, the latter tried to test Whitebeard's strength, and met relatively easy confrontation from Jozu's defenses.
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If Zoro learned how to cut diamond it'll happen during a fight or if he has to cut seastone (supposed to be hard as diamond iirc). It's obious that Mihawk didn't teach him everything. Hell, Zoro's following Kinemon around to learn how to cut fire.
Breathe of all things is most likely haki related. But when Zoro learns how to cut a substance, it'll mean he can cut anything related to that substance. Like he can cut all types of steel now. Not only steel DF users since he haki negated it's defense.
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Mr 1's defeat could've been the result of a combination of Observation + Armament Haki, though. That long description that Zoro made about hearing the "sound of the rocks falling" wouldn't have been a coincidence.
Also, even under Mihawk's training, I doubt that diamond could be easy to cut through. I mean, the latter tried to test Whitebeard's strength, and met relatively easy confrontation from Jozu's defenses.
Am I the only one who is of the opinion that Haki has very little to do with Zoro cutting steel, and if it was there was definitely no arnament haki involved. Personally I think it was too early in the story, and observation haki seems to be about acknowledging the existence and feelings of living things but we have seen with Shanks that inanimate objects can be affected so at most it's observation. I don't think it is though, it was too early and wasn't developed or linked to Skypiea's mantra, which just doesn't seem in character for a detail freak like Oda.
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Am I the only one who is of the opinion that Haki has very little to do with Zoro cutting steel, and if it was there was definitely no arnament haki involved. Personally I think it was too early in the story, and observation haki seems to be about acknowledging the existence and feelings of living things but we have seen with Shanks that inanimate objects can be affected so at most it's observation. I don't think it is though, it was too early and wasn't developed or linked to Skypiea's mantra, which just doesn't seem in character for a detail freak like Oda.
There was unquestionably Observation Haki involved.
The only people who would doubt this have read shitty translations.You're really confused about Oda's style of world building, that bottom part of your post in nonsense.
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@Monkey:
There was unquestionably Observation Haki involved.
It kind of seemed like a combination of Kenbunshoku and Busoshoku, though.
Especially now that Zoro's specialty has been revealed to be Busoshoku.
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Juzo wasn't cut in half by mihawk because
1-there's something special about diamonds being super hard to cut in the OP world (not likely)
2-Juzo trained the fuck out of his DF to be able to withstand mihawk slash
3-He used some powerful haki to sheild him from being cut
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@Monkey:
There was unquestionably Observation Haki involved.
The only people who would doubt this have read shitty translations.You're really confused about Oda's style of world building, that bottom part of your post in nonsense.
I don't know, it seems too isolated an incident to be linked to haki, the fact that it happened and nothing else in terms of Observation was developed with Zoro until after the TS, (hearing the voices of living things and knowing their feelings, being able to predict moves etc.) and the fact that although he unlocked it way before anyone else, yet it isn't even his specialty after the timeskip, means that it was either a isolated phenomenon that he uses to cut steel that wasn't developed through his continuous training even though it should have been, or it wasn't observation haki, and I think the latter is more likely, that's just my opinion.
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I don't know, it seems too isolated an incident to be linked to haki, the fact that it happened and nothing else in terms of Observation was developed with Zoro until after the TS, (hearing the voices of living things and knowing their feelings, being able to predict moves etc.) and the fact that although he unlocked it way before anyone else, yet it isn't even his specialty after the timeskip, means that it was either a isolated phenomenon that he uses to cut steel that wasn't developed through his continuous training even though it should have been, or it wasn't observation haki, and I think the latter is more likely, that's just my opinion.
You can use observation haki without specializing in it. It's basically Oda world building. He's was putting hints of haki usage without outright stating it's haki.
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I don't know, it seems too isolated an incident to be linked to haki, the fact that it happened and nothing else in terms of Observation was developed with Zoro until after the TS, (hearing the voices of living things and knowing their feelings, being able to predict moves etc.) and the fact that although he unlocked it way before anyone else, yet it isn't even his specialty after the timeskip, means that it was either a isolated phenomenon that he uses to cut steel that wasn't developed through his continuous training even though it should have been, or it wasn't observation haki, and I think the latter is more likely, that's just my opinion.
Well don't get why people never seem to remember this unless it wasn't canon, ( in which case, my mistake) but if you consider Luffy's "premonition" at the war that he was gonna lose his hands from Mihawk's slash some/ any form of CoO; then Luffy's instance of CoO still predated Zoro's. In that I would be talking about Luffy's similar "premonition" that in his 1st fight against Croc it was paramount he avoid that dessert slicing attack.
So observation haki still would've been introduced in the same time period with SI soon following up on that with mantra, so while not necessarily connecting to Zoro alone, but broadening out for any and all future uses, not just isolating Zoro's. And with Luffy going 1st even if Sanji is better/ best/ most proficient/ however you define it as, it just proves in the OPU, all these preferences/ leaning more towards/ best/ better at/ natural affinity towards/ most proficient at; just means varying degrees of less than absolute.
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I don't know, it seems too isolated an incident to be linked to haki, the fact that it happened and nothing else in terms of Observation was developed with Zoro until after the TS, (hearing the voices of living things and knowing their feelings, being able to predict moves etc.) and the fact that although he unlocked it way before anyone else, yet it isn't even his specialty after the timeskip, means that it was either a isolated phenomenon that he uses to cut steel that wasn't developed through his continuous training even though it should have been, or it wasn't observation haki, and I think the latter is more likely, that's just my opinion.
There are definitely other instances pre-Timeskip that indicate Zoro was developing Observation Haki.
I don't have a specific chapter or page in mind, but I remember that when Zoro was fighting Kaku at Enies Lobby, Kaku thought to himself that Zoro was predicting his attacks.In fact, the evidence was piling up so much before the Timeskip, I was really surprised to hear that Oda later said Zoro's and Sanji's specialty were Armor and Observation, respectively. I was really of the opinion that things were the other way around, what with Sanji's Diable Jambe and Zoro's knowing exactly where to attack through a wall when fighting Ohm in Skypeia.
That's not to say that there wasn't evidence of Zoro using Armor and Sanji using Observation pre-Timeskip. Zoro's first big feat was surviving a slash from Mihawk. A running gag with Sanji was that he could tell from a distance when one of the female Strawhats was in trouble/crying/screaming.
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I was thinking earlier about how likely it is that the other members of the worst generation have learned Haki over the timeskip. I can only think of 2 instances that show/imply that some of then can;
- Law being able to hit Smoker with Mes, therefore he has armament haki
- Apoo being able to a sense "a sniper" in Kidd's hideout (most likely an evesdropping absalom), implies he can use observation haki
Any other instances that I'm missing?
My main point is that it would seem to be way too convenient if every WG pirate learned haki over the timeskip, considering you need a competent teacher according to Rayleigh. But on the other hand it seems like Haki is a must for having success in the NW and I wouldn't like to see any of the WG left behind this quickly.
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My main point is that it would seem to be way too convenient if every WG pirate learned haki over the timeskip, considering you need a competent teacher according to Rayleigh.
Some of them may have already known haki (X Drake would be a good candidate for this position), or been close to figuring it out on their own (some of them are significantly older than most of the Strawhats). Haki can also be unlocked by a traumatic experience (like Coby), and it's likely that as such prominent rookies, they would have some of those.
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I was thinking earlier about how likely it is that the other members of the worst generation have learned Haki over the timeskip. I can only think of 2 instances that show/imply that some of then can;
- Law being able to hit Smoker with Mes, therefore he has armament haki
- Apoo being able to a sense "a sniper" in Kidd's hideout (most likely an eavesdropping absalom), implies he can use observation haki
Any other instances that I'm missing?
My main point is that it would seem to be way too convenient if every WG pirate learned haki over the timeskip, considering you need a competent teacher according to Rayleigh. But on the other hand it seems like Haki is a must for having success in the NW and I wouldn't like to see any of the WG left behind this quickly.
Not solid proof but 1 would think with Kidd's loss of his arm, and it being replaced with a (possible permanent connection to his abilities), or not, (can't be sure yet); that the only way he holds a viable chance to still be tremendously better than he was would be both his powers, and haki, especially to have survived this long in the NW.
And Hawkins 'fortune telling' could be an aspect of his DF ability, or CoO haki, (conceivably similar to Madame Shirley's 'predictions'), or even some weird amalgamated combination of both haki and DF.
P. S. Agree with Whackadoodle about X Drake possibly to even a higher level of confidence/ certainty that he should be main person that attained it, or had it already as RA in the Marines that seem more likely to tell their own people sooner + more liberally, + by the time they might reach that type of position, or want to go further. Especially since once again like Kidd, he should have survived this long in the NW possibly directly go into many battles, and seeing how his DF seems to add the littlest to his natural abilities/ + personality; for instance IMHO he was doing much better as himself B4 he transformed.
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@LUFFYSMC:
Not solid proof but 1 would think with Kidd's loss of his arm, and it being replaced with a (possible permanent connection to his abilities), or not, (can't be sure yet); that the only way he holds a viable chance to still be tremendously better than he was would be both his powers, and haki, especially to have survived this long in the NW.
And Hawkins 'fortune telling' could be an aspect of his DF ability, or CoO haki, (conceivably similar to Madame Shirley's 'predictions'), or even some weird amalgamated combination of both haki and DF.
P. S. Agree with Whackadoodle about X Drake possibly to even a higher level of confidence/ certainty that he should be main person that attained it, or had it already as RA in the Marines that seem more likely to tell their own people sooner + more liberally, + by the time they might reach that type of position, or want to go further. Especially since once again like Kidd, he should have survived this long in the NW possibly directly go into many battles, and seeing how his DF seems to add the littlest to his natural abilities/ + personality; for instance IMHO he was doing much better as himself B$ he transformed.
Yeah man some really good points , especially about Drake. I was just thinking about Urouge's origins in the sky islands may give him a connection to mantra ie CoO but that's quite a tenuous link.
I always thought Hawkin's fortunetelling was just one of these weird additional abilities that seem to come with DF's but you never know really.
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@NER:
1-there's something special about diamonds being super hard to cut in the OP world (not likely)
what? what do you mean in the OP world? Diamonds are supposed to be almost impossible to cut through in real life and plenty of other series too… Diamonds are the hardest NATURALLY OCCURRING substance on the earth.
again it's only the hardest natural substance, there's plenty of things that can be made/formed that can cut through them but it's made it pretty big in fights with swordsmen in mangas when a guy is as hard as diamonds
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what? what do you mean in the OP world? Diamonds are supposed to be almost impossible to cut through in real life and plenty of other series too… Diamonds are the hardest NATURALLY OCCURRING substance on the earth.
again it's only the hardest natural substance, there's plenty of things that can be made/formed that can cut through them but it's made it pretty big in fights with swordsmen in mangas when a guy is as hard as diamonds
I didn't exactly mean that.
I don't know, I meant that even haki wouldn't be able to surpass the diamond fruit defenses easily like it does with all of the other fruits or that hearing its breath or whatever isn't as simple as hearing the breath of steel or any of the other substances.
That the process itself is complicated and can't just be done by using the average methods.and sorry if my post wasn't clear.
Wait, after thinking about it like that, I kinda feel that the first option might make more sense than the other two.. lol.
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Just decided to express a gripe I have with how haki works.
Firstly I think its unnecessary confusing that we have two ways in which Haki enhances attacks-The invisible method and Hardening method.
I think it would have been best if there was only one way and that way should have been the hardening method rather the invisble method as it makes it easier to tell when its being used.Secondly,I think Oda made a mistake in making COA the haki that enhances attacks instead of COC.
In otherwords I am saying that COA should have been a power that only serves as an invisible defence**(no enhancing attacks)** and allows the user to bypass DF defenses whilst COC should have been a power that allows the user to unleash Mind attacks and enhance physical attacks.
The reasons why I think Oda should have made COC the haki that enhances attacks is as follows
1.It would explain why so many of the greatest fighters like Marco,Jozu etc cant use Haki Hardening-Its because they dont have COC.
2.It would further justify why COC users are feared so much.
3.It would make Luffy the only Strawhat that can ever use haki-hardening from now till the future-further making Luffys fighting style unique.
4.It would actually justify COC being Luffys haki specialty as Enhacing attacks with Haki is Luffys most comon use of Haki -
Just decided to express a gripe I have with how haki works.
Firstly I think its unnecessary confusing that we have two ways in which Haki enhances attacks-The invisible method and Hardening method.
I think it would have been best if there was only one way and that way should have been the hardening method rather the invisble method as it makes it easier to tell when its being used.Secondly,I think Oda made a mistake in making COA the haki that enhances attacks instead of COC.
In otherwords I am saying that COA should have been a power that only serves as an invisible defence**(no enhancing attacks)** and allows the user to bypass DF defenses whilst COC should have been a power that allows the user to unleash Mind attacks and enhance physical attacks.
The reasons why I think Oda should have made COC the haki that enhances attacks is as follows
1.It would explain why so many of the greatest fighters like Marco,Jozu etc cant use Haki Hardening-Its because they dont have COC.
2.It would further justify why COC users are feared so much.
3.It would make Luffy the only Strawhat that can ever use haki-hardening from now till the future-further making Luffys fighting style unique.
4.It would actually justify COC being Luffys haki specialty as Enhacing attacks with Haki is Luffys most comon use of Hakiwhat…. The reason that Marco and Jozu don't harden is because Oda hadn't come up with it yet, or simply hadn't revealed that use of it yet. The series at that point consisted of much weaker characters and I don't believe Oda wanted to show the black hardening yet e.g MIhawk is greatest swordsman but swings at Croco without COA when he'd obviously need it to gain that title in the first place. I believe that if Jozu or Marco appeared at this point in the series they would use the black hardening of COA. Also the COC is supposed to be unique, if everyone who has hardened so far had it that would be lame. Just disagreeing with your second point, the rest are sort of good but it would also make for a really OP Luffy if he was the only one who could do any of that.
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Just decided to express a gripe I have with how haki works.
Firstly I think its unnecessary confusing that we have two ways in which Haki enhances attacks-The invisible method and Hardening method.
I think it would have been best if there was only one way and that way should have been the hardening method rather the invisble method as it makes it easier to tell when its being used.Secondly,I think Oda made a mistake in making COA the haki that enhances attacks instead of COC.
In otherwords I am saying that COA should have been a power that only serves as an invisible defence**(no enhancing attacks)** and allows the user to bypass DF defenses whilst COC should have been a power that allows the user to unleash Mind attacks and enhance physical attacks.
The reasons why I think Oda should have made COC the haki that enhances attacks is as follows
1.It would explain why so many of the greatest fighters like Marco,Jozu etc cant use Haki Hardening-Its because they dont have COC.
2.It would further justify why COC users are feared so much.
3.It would make Luffy the only Strawhat that can ever use haki-hardening from now till the future-further making Luffys fighting style unique.
4.It would actually justify COC being Luffys haki specialty as Enhacing attacks with Haki is Luffys most comon use of HakiCOA is an armor. It's logical that it should help for both attack and defense.
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This post will be about Sanji vs Vergo and haki usage scene- so if somebody is feed up with that subject- theories- skip reading this:ninja:
What if Oda will say in some not to distant future that haki usage depends on state of the body of user?
If he is wounded his haki isnt as good as when he is without any damage taken. This would explain Sanjis words "This is bad.. if I continue to fight like this.." or "Its bad.. If I keep fighting like this.." - maybe he said that not because of crack in thinner bone in his right leg but because of state that his body is overally in?I think its possible- theory that haki is weakening as someones body gets big damage/stamina gets depleted.
This is possibility as Whitebeard during was was shown unable to use CoC when Ace was about to be killed on platform- maybe this extends to overall haki usage as haki is will tranported to entire body so to say.
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If haki is really related to your will there's no reason it should weaken when you take damage.
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If it would be purely - will thing - then it would work similar to Green Lantern power.
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Just decided to express a gripe I have with how haki works.
Firstly I think its unnecessary confusing that we have two ways in which Haki enhances attacks-The invisible method and Hardening method.
I think it would have been best if there was only one way and that way should have been the hardening method rather the invisble method as it makes it easier to tell when its being used.Secondly,I think Oda made a mistake in making COA the haki that enhances attacks instead of COC.
In otherwords I am saying that COA should have been a power that only serves as an invisible defence**(no enhancing attacks)** and allows the user to bypass DF defenses whilst COC should have been a power that allows the user to unleash Mind attacks and enhance physical attacks.
The reasons why I think Oda should have made COC the haki that enhances attacks is as follows
1.It would explain why so many of the greatest fighters like Marco,Jozu etc cant use Haki Hardening-Its because they dont have COC.
2.It would further justify why COC users are feared so much.
3.It would make Luffy the only Strawhat that can ever use haki-hardening from now till the future-further making Luffys fighting style unique.
4.It would actually justify COC being Luffys haki specialty as Enhacing attacks with Haki is Luffys most comon use of HakiHardening wasn't established at that time that's why we never saw it.
Observation Haki is sensing your opponents movement, it shouldn't allow you to enhance your attack
Armament Haki is an armor that can be used in both ways, defending and attacking
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Conquer haki can faint people thats it
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Conquer haki can faint people thats it
Nah, remember Shanks was able to damage Whitebeard's ship.
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Also, it kind of looks like Luffy and Chinjao's Conquering was clashing together… if an enemy's will is lessened during a fight, it might be a good way to quickly end the battle. A moment of hesitation or weakness can lead to an instant defeat.
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Yes thats was because his coc was that strong. Coc have no use besides fainting, Boshuku haki is the imporntants haki of all
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Yes thats was because his coc was that strong. Coc have no use besides fainting, Boshuku haki is the imporntants haki of all
Didn't Rayleigh deactivate all the slave tags at the auction with it?
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Didn't Rayleigh deactivate all the slave tags at the auction with it?
No, Franky had the key and used it on all the slaves.
The only person Rayleigh freed was Caimie and I'm pretty sure he used his speed+power to just break it off her neck and throw it before it blew up
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Hmm i've been thinking. Haki was retconned into the story once Oda realised Logia is too hax and would be too troublesome to deal with or even impossible even by top tier characters right? Did he said it explicity somewhere?
Shouldn't someone of Ace level who was WB commander and sailed NW have it? He didn't seem to have it during vs Smoker or BB fight. Or do you think we will see strong guys in NW that doesnt have haki anyway?
Also what about mantra, was it always part of haki, or it was just power on its on and then later connected to haki?
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Hmm i've been thinking. Haki was retconned into the story once Oda realised Logia is too hax and would be too troublesome to deal with or even impossible even by top tier characters right? Did he said it explicity somewhere?
Shouldn't someone of Ace level who was WB commander and sailed NW have it? He didn't seem to have it during vs Smoker or BB fight. Or do you think we will see strong guys in NW that doesnt have haki anyway?
Well Ace did have Haki, we've seen that.
Like you said, it's been added into the story at a later date, to address issues with logias.
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Well Ace did have Haki, we've seen that.
Like you said, it's been added into the story at a later date, to address issues with logias.
We've seen he used CoC unconciously only right? But i meant that we didn't see he had CoA or CoO haki, otherwise he'd use it against BB or Smoker, or we did somewhere?
edit: hmm come to think of it, he wouldn't need to use it on BB cause he didn't have intangibility properties …
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We've seen he used CoC unconciously only right? But i meant that we didn't see he had CoA or CoO haki, otherwise he'd use it against BB or Smoker, or we did somewhere?
edit: hmm come to think of it, he wouldn't need to use it on BB cause he didn't have intangibility properties …
Yeah and he wasn't actually out harm smoker, so that would explain why he didn't use it then.
Really, it just hadn't been invented yet lol.
I'm sure the official line will be that Ace could use both CoA and CoO though.
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I'm sure the official line will be that Ace could use both CoA and CoO though.
Based on the time frames and what they were doing, I would guess Ace's haki was weaker than post-TS Luffy's, though. The latter was undergoing intensive training with the first mate of the Pirate King; while Ace was presumably receiving training from the Whitebeard crew, it very likely wasn't as intensive as Luffy's.
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Based on the time frames and what they were doing, I would guess Ace's haki was weaker than post-TS Luffy's, though. The latter was undergoing intensive training with the first mate of the Pirate King; while Ace was presumably receiving training from the Whitebeard crew, it very likely wasn't as intensive as Luffy's.
Eh yeah I'd agree with that.
I'm still pretty sure Ace will have had some degree of CoA and CoO usage though.
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Based on the time frames and what they were doing, I would guess Ace's haki was weaker than post-TS Luffy's, though. The latter was undergoing intensive training with the first mate of the Pirate King; while Ace was presumably receiving training from the Whitebeard crew, it very likely wasn't as intensive as Luffy's.
Don't know about that, you people forget who Ace was, even If Ace didn't train his Haki with Rayleigh or somebody of that caliber his haki will still exceed normal expectations, Ace could have been the strongest character in One Piece, If Oda kept him alive
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Don't know about that, you people forget who Ace was, even If Ace didn't train his Haki with Rayleigh or somebody of that caliber his haki will still exceed normal expectations, Ace could have been the strongest character in One Piece, If Oda kept him alive
I think he means more his prowess in using Haki, rather than how strong his haki actually is.
You do seem to need a very good teacher to even get the basics.
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_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
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What is the general consensus on whether someone can launch haki-infused long-range attacks using non-solid elements?
I'd always thought that haki can only be imbued on solid objects like arrows, and even devil fruit bodies like rubber or magma punches. But not air slashes or laser beams since these are not naturally solid elements. That's why Mihawk's powerful air slash was blocked by Jozu and only cut Buggy with no damage. But this is just my own thoughts.
But then I saw the panel with Zorro nicking Monet's cheek and so now I'm wondering, is this a sign that haki infused air/laser/smoke slashes/punches and rankyaku attacks are something to look forward to or dread in the future?
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What is the general consensus on whether someone can launch haki-infused long-range attacks using non-solid elements?
I'd always thought that haki can only be imbued on solid objects like arrows, and even devil fruit bodies like rubber or magma punches. But not air slashes or laser beams since these are not naturally solid elements. That's why Mihawk's powerful air slash was blocked by Jozu and only cut Buggy with no damage. But this is just my own thoughts.
But then I saw the panel with Zorro nicking Monet's cheek and so now I'm wondering, is this a sign that haki infused air/laser/smoke slashes/punches and rankyaku attacks are something to look forward to or dread in the future?
He threw a rock at her I believe, still a solid object.
I'm pretty sure Mihawk could cut buggy if he really wanted, blunt attacks work on luffy with Haki so cutting effects on Buggy should work if the DF/haki rules are the same.
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He threw a rock at her I believe, still a solid object.
I'm pretty sure Mihawk could cut buggy if he really wanted, blunt attacks work on luffy with Haki so cutting effects on Buggy should work if the DF/haki rules are the same.
ahh LOL I see. That means my earlier theory still holds, somewhat. That is until Oda or someone else proves otherwise. I am, if not always, flexible.
Oh I'm not suggesting that Mihawk or Zorro could not cut Buggy of course. But that they need to imbue a solid object such as a sword to actually do some damage on him. Not just send an air-slash that would still slice the clown but he'd be unharmed.
I guess in my mind it functions as a means of making sure that Zorro and Mihawk, when facing opponents that can only be hurt with Haki, still need to get in close quarter combat and actuallly land cuts and sword strokes. As opposed to standing far away and launching haki infused air slashes a la Ichigo with his Getsuga Tenshou spam.
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Eh do they?
2/3 of the main cast don't have it for a start lol.
But you know why they don't have it, right
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Don't know about that, you people forget who Ace was, even If Ace didn't train his Haki with Rayleigh or somebody of that caliber his haki will still exceed normal expectations
We don't know the degree to which haki is inherited. We've seen that the relatives of powerful individuals tend to also be powerful individuals, but that doesn't guarantee that it's just about what you inherit. Furthermore, Luffy also isn't just some random person who you can expect "normal expectations" of. The way I see it, Luffy and Ace had similar potential (similar potential to be inherited from parents, grew up in similar conditions for a similar period of time, trained together extensively). Ace had the advantage of being older and more experienced, and had to learn how to deal with fights without a DF, then obtained a very powerful DF, then gained experience in the New World, largely while part of the Whitebeard crew.
Ace had 3 years on Luffy, but since Ace's death, Luffy has caught up by 2 years. He doesn't have Ace's experience fighting in the New World, but he had intensive, dedicated training for a year and a half from one of the most powerful people in the world. Ace was getting training likely from more than one person, but while the best of them was about on par with Luffy's trainer, they weren't dedicating all day every day to training him. Even if Ace had more powerful haki than Luffy (something I think is far from certain), he likely was substantially less skilled at using it.
I think he means more his prowess in using Haki, rather than how strong his haki actually is.
This is exactly correct; I was definitely referring to prowess rather than raw strength… although I suspect the two would be pretty equally matched on the latter, too (Luffy perhaps still a bit behind, as Ace still had a year more experience than Luffy does at present).
3098110]When even Tashigi can get the trick it is safe to safe it is no big deal.
Tashigi, who had 2 years of training under senior Marines. The Marines being likely the single largest organization in the world (except in that it's a subset of the WG, a sort of meta-organization), and having the resources of the whole world to use in finding haki trainers. And still only seems to have learned the most rudimentary uses. I don't think that says haki is easy to acquire, it means the Marines have a lot of resources to throw at the problem. And Tashigi at least has some potential; she may not match up well against the monster trio, but she's shown quite a bit of growth in strength/skill; I think she'll be a VA by EOS, and that probably will make her extremely young for a VA - at least 5 years younger than the normal age for that promotion, and possibly 10.
Many other pirates with decades of experience don't seem to have it; most of the people who have it seem to have either (a) grown up around it, (b) had it unlocked due to trauma,
had a top-notch trainer who knew how to use it, or (d) some combination of the above. That suggests it's pretty exceptional, even if some seemingly unimpressive fighters have it as well. -
We don't know the degree to which haki is inherited. We've seen that the relatives of powerful individuals tend to also be powerful individuals, but that doesn't guarantee that it's just about what you inherit. Furthermore, Luffy also isn't just some random person who you can expect "normal expectations" of. The way I see it, Luffy and Ace had similar potential (similar potential to be inherited from parents, grew up in similar conditions for a similar period of time, trained together extensively). Ace had the advantage of being older and more experienced, and had to learn how to deal with fights without a DF, then obtained a very powerful DF, then gained experience in the New World, largely while part of the Whitebeard crew.
Ace had 3 years on Luffy, but since Ace's death, Luffy has caught up by 2 years. He doesn't have Ace's experience fighting in the New World, but he had intensive, dedicated training for a year and a half from one of the most powerful people in the world. Ace was getting training likely from more than one person, but while the best of them was about on par with Luffy's trainer, they weren't dedicating all day every day to training him. Even if Ace had more powerful haki than Luffy (something I think is far from certain), he likely was substantially less skilled at using it.
Why did you wrote a letter for something so simple?
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Tashigi, who had 2 years of training under senior Marines.
And that was said when exactly? She and Smoker have gone to the New World and fought against pirates, they didn't train like the Strawhats as far as we know.
Garp and Sengoku were taining other people and the vice-admirals had likely different stuff to do than to train two officers, who could train be surviving the harsh seas of the NW.
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And that was said when exactly? She and Smoker have gone to the New World and fought against pirates, they didn't train like the Strawhats as far as we know.
Well, at some point, Smoker learned not only how to use haki, but how to use hardening - something most haki users don't appear to be able to do. That strongly suggests he received at least some training, and the fact that Tashigi learned soru and how to use haki strongly suggests she did as well. Perhaps it wasn't the whole two years, but they were at least taught enough to be able to learn some advanced techniques that only a handful of people seem to be able to learn without extensive training. It hasn't been outright stated, but it's the obvious conclusion from what we've seen.
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It does not "strongly" suggest that he was trained by anyone actually. Two years of harsh survival should teach him more than enough, getting some information on Vergo, his commanding leader at G-5 would be more than enough to learn about hardening, which could have lead to him training it while fighting "normal" pirates.
