Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)

T

Sorry i coined it loosely….that's not my intention to say Oda will kill somebody just for that....what i meant is if Luffy really fail to save someone,it would only mean he is humane....i am sure he will save his crewmates though time and again....but he can't save everybody,which he usually tries to do....

I didn't said Jinbei should die...i don't want it....but what after Big Mam is defeated.?..what will happen to the Sun pirates working under her…?..Jinbei is a person who always takes the responsibility….i can well see him sailing again for their sake..as a allied pirates to Luffy...i would like that more than him being the crewmate...

as Neptune said they will be enrolled in Neptune's army and protect Fishman Island.

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@Superbear:

I meant someone who is alive. Could someone point out to me a character that is currently living that bests Jinbe in Fishaman Martial arts?

and can you point out someone stronger than Zoro in Santoryuu?

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@Shift:

Than no, I guess Jinbe's just perfect.

The reason why there's no one better than Jinbe is because several of hundreds of chapters ago he was foreshadowed to be the biggest baddest fishman out there. Since then no else "living" has been mentioned to be better or on par with Jinbe, as far as I know. This makes me think that Jinbe is the Fishman martial art equivalent to Mihawk. Now, and this a question to everyone;do you think someone who is already a world renowned master at their craft can grow with the other members of the main cast for the remainder of the story?

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@'T€:

@$;2958067']as Neptune said they will be enrolled in Neptune's army and protect Fishman Island.

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and can you point out someone stronger than Zoro in Santoryuu?

Yes, because Santoryuu is a form of martial art that many characters in the series have practiced. It is also a staple form of fighting within a specified race in the One Piece world, only they can use it,and there are also schools that teach it. (sarcasm).

You seriously think Fishman Karate, something that a lot of Fishman series have used and has an established school, is on the same level as something one guy invented on his own? Okay.

Aaronrules380

@Superbear:

The reason why there's no one better than Jinbe is because several of hundreds of chapters ago he was foreshadowed to be the biggest baddest fishman out there. Since then no else "living" has been mentioned to be better or on par with Jinbe, as far as I know. This makes me think that Jinbe is the Fishman martial art equivalent to Mihawk. Now, and this a question to everyone;do you think someone who is already a world renowned master at their craft can grow with the other members of the main cast for the remainder of the story?

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Yes, because Santoryuu is a form of martial art that many characters in the series have practiced. It is also a staple form of fighting within a specified race in the One Piece world, and there are also schools for it. (sarcasm).

His point that you missed entirely is that being the best at what you do and being able to improve further are not mutually exclusive. Perfection doesn't exist, so there's ALWAYS room for improvement

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@Aaronrules380:

His point that you missed entirely is that being the best at what you do and being able to improve further are not mutually exclusive. Perfection doesn't exist, so there's ALWAYS room for improvement

Greatest Swordsman in the World. World's Strongest Man.

| Main Entry: | great |
| Part of Speech: | adjective |
| Definition: | excellent, skillful |
| Synonyms: | able, absolute, aces, adept, admirable, adroit, awesome, bad, best, brutal, cold, complete, consummate, crack, downright, dynamite, egregious, exceptional, expert, fab, fantastic, fine, first-class, first-rate, good, heavy*, hellacious, marvelous, masterly, number one, out of sight, out of this world, out-and-out, perfect, positive, proficient, super-duper, surpassing, terrific, total, tough, transcendent, tremendous, unmitigated, unqualified, utter, wonderful |
| Antonyms: | ignorant, menial, poor, stupid, unskilled, weak |

Aaronrules380

@Superbear:

Greatest Swordsman in the World.

Does not imply that you can't improve. Not in the slightest

Superbear 22

@Aaronrules380:

Does not imply that you can't improve. Not in the slightest

Look at my edit. I'll leave it at that.

Shift

@Superbear:

The reason why there's no one better than Jinbe is because several of hundreds of chapters ago he was foreshadowed to be the biggest baddest fishman out there. Since then no else "living" has been mentioned to be better or on par with Jinbe, as far as I know. This makes me think that Jinbe is the Fishman martial art equivalent to Mihawk. Now, and this a question to everyone;do you think someone who is already a world renowned master at their craft can grow with the other members of the main cast for the remainder of the story?

"World-renowned"? Last I checked, a good chunk of the world's population barely understand fishmen in general, much less their specific form of martial arts.

Really, though, we're getting into this? It's not like we're worried about who's a better musician than Brook, or who's better at building stuff or becoming a crazy robot than Franky, or who's better at reading Poneglyphs than Robin.

Aaronrules380

@Superbear:

Look at my edit.

You realize synonyms are not always perfect equivalents, and only contain SIMILAR meanings. Aside from which is that you're using English definitions for what was originally a Japanese word

T

Also you don't really know how strong is Namur.

Herodadotus

Wow, that's great reasoning, using a synonym that is a stretch at best. I mean, "fine" and "proficient" are synonyms there too. And those are far from perfect. But who are we to argue a dictionary?

But really, you got us there.

Palpitoad93

@Superbear:

Look at my edit. I'll leave it at that.

great=/=perfect. Synonyms only have similar meanings, not exactly the same thing.

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@Shift:

"World-renowned"? Last I checked, a good chunk of the world's population barely understand fishmen in general, much less their specific form of martial arts.

Really, though, we're getting into this? It's not like we're worried about who's a better musician than Brook, or who's better at building stuff or becoming a crazy robot than Franky, or who's better at reading Poneglyphs than Robin.

What I'm saying is that Jinbe has hit his peak, he does not have the room to grow as the other characters do. No other character has been presented as this great and powerful warrior who makes all others pale in comparison when in his presence. We have Zoro, wanting to be this person,this all powerful warrior, but he was never presented to be this person already.

T

@superbear
When Franky joined there was no stronger Cyborg than him.And no stronger Zoan than Chopper has been introduced when he joined. And Jinbe is a strong Fishman Karate user only that we know. Its not like Oda labelled him as the strongest Fishman Like he did for Whitebeard and Mihawk. We don't even know how Jinbe compares to Namur.

Aaronrules380

@Superbear:

What I'm saying is that Jinbe has hit his peak, he does not have the room to grow as the other characters do. No other character has been presented as this great and powerful warrior who makes all others pale in comparison when in his presence. We have Zoro, wanting to be this person,this all powerful warrior, but he was never presented to be this person already.

And you're still missing the point entirely. Namely that being the best at what you do and hitting your peak are two entirely different things. I can be the best at what I do and still have room for improvement, or I can reach my limits before ever being the best. The two have very little to do with each other

Superbear 22

@'T€:

@$;2958116']@superbear
When Franky joined there was no stronger Cyborg than him.

Because Cyborgs were a new concept entirely, then Kuma's nature was revealed. Before Jinbe there were numerous people that used Fishman Karate, since Jinbe's unveiling he hasn't been topped since.

Palpitoad93

@'T€:

@$;2958116']@superbear
When Franky joined there was no stronger Cyborg than him.

The Tyrant does not approve of this statement

T

@Palpitoad93:

The Tyrant does not approve of this statement

we did not know that the Tyrant was a cyborg when Franky joined. People must read the manga properly before coming to debate.
@__superbear__
read edit.

Palpitoad93

@'T€:

@$;2958126']we dont know that the Tyrant is a cyborg when Franky joined. People must read the manga properly before coming to debate.
@superbear
read edit.

You do realize that was a troll comment right?

Superbear 22

@'T€:

@$;2958116']@superbear
When Franky joined there was no stronger Cyborg than him.And no stronger Zoan than Chopper has been introduced when he joined. And Jinbe is a strong Fishman Karate user only that we know. Its not like Oda labelled him as the strongest Fishman Like he did for Whitebeard and Mihawk. We don't even know how Jinbe compares to Namur.

Dalton

Hack, Fisher Tiger(presumably), Kurobi Capote, Hody .

True,however Namur didn't do any Fishman Karate in Maniford. Also In a name dropping arc such as Maniford, I would assume that if Namur had some skill at using this craft he would have nickname or something. So all we have is Jinbe, who has been bested by no one.

T

@Superbear:

Dalton
Hack, Fisher Tiger, Kurobi Capote

True however Namur didn't do any Fishman Karate in Maniford. Also In a name dropping arc such as Maniford, I would assume that if Namur had some skill at using this craft he would have nickname or something.

Dalton was losing against Chess while Chopper won against Chessomarimo.

its just that Oda did not choose to focus on Namur in the midst of such a great event. its not like we won't be getting back to the Whitebeard pirates. And there might even be Fishmen in other Yonko's crews who were not present in FI like Hack.

Shift

@Superbear:

What I'm saying is that Jinbe has hit his peak, he does not have the room to grow as the other characters do. No other character has been presented as this great and powerful warrior who makes all others pale in comparison when in his presence. We have Zoro, wanting to be this person,this all powerful warrior, but he was never presented to be this person already.

I'm really wondering what you mean by room to grow. How much room does Robin have to grow as a Poneglyph reader? Has Usopp yet been stumped about shooting something? When you're talking about a very specific skill that a character has, then yeah, there won't be a lot of obstacles in their execution of those skills until they're blocked or challenged.

So do you mean that a character has to grow by becoming unbeatable? I suppose Zoro hasn't gotten there quite yet; he's hasn't had very many victories since Mihawk, has he? He's had it especially tough lately in the New World, right? And Jinbe must have taken care of Akainu by now; he does "pale in comparison", after all.

I'm not going to pretend like Jinbe is weak, or that he has his whole life ahead of him. But the simple fact remains that he is no where near finished; he's still got things to do, things to learn for himself, and, most likely, a dream he's still chasing. It's entirely possible Oda could have some serious upgrades in store for his already impressive move set; it's what he's done for all his other main characters. And in the highly unlikely event he doesn't join, we've still got some more to learn about him when we undoubtedly see him again. So in that sense, yes, I believe he still has room to grow.

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@'T€:

@$;2958135']its just that Oda did not choose to focus on him in the midst of such a great event. its not like we won't be getting back to the Whitebeard pirates. And there might even be Fishmen in other Yonko's crews who were not present in FI like Hack.

Possible, however with no foreshadowing, there's not much to go on.

Noqanky

Zoro's goal is to be the greatest swordsman, and in that sense there being a stronger swordsman is important for his development. He has that goal.

Nowhere has Jinbe stated wanting to be the greatest at fishman karate. So him being the strongest user of it in no way affects him as a character. There's plenty of other ways in which he can grow. Heck, him considering Luffy's offer is leading to him growing, seeing how it's leading to him actually deciding to stop making himself responsible for everything and actually doing something he wants and having his own freedom.

There's more to character growth and development than "look at my shinier, more powerful move!"

T

@Superbear:

Possible, however with no foreshadowing, there's not much to go on.

then there is not much foreshadowing that Jinbe won't join/will die. Double standards.
And finally Jinbe is joining. Haters u mad bros???

Had to do it.

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@Shift:

I'm really wondering what you mean by room to grow. How much room does Robin have to grow as a Poneglyph reader? Has Usopp yet been stumped about shooting something? When you're talking about a very specific skill that a character has, then yeah, there won't be a lot of obstacles in their execution of those skills until they're blocked or challenged.

So do you mean that a character has to grow by becoming unbeatable? I suppose Zoro hasn't gotten there quite yet; he's hasn't had very many victories since Mihawk, has he? He's had it especially tough lately in the New World, right? And Jinbe must have taken care of Akainu by now; he does "pale in comparison", after all.

I'm not going to pretend like Jinbe is weak, or that he has his whole life ahead of him. But the simple fact remains that he is no where near finished; he's still got things to do, things to learn for himself, and, most likely, a dream he's still chasing. It's entirely possible Oda could have some serious upgrades in store for his already impressive move set; it's what he's done for all his other main characters. And in the highly unlikely even he doesn't join, we've still got some more to learn about him when we undoubtedly see him again.

Robin's reading skills aren't relevant.

There are better snipers than Ussopp (namely his father and Auger)

Your not arguing Zoro are you? Cause its not like Mihawk is alive with his title or anything, but okay.

As far as everything else, seeing is believing. When I see a dream in the manga he'll have one, everything else is fan-fiction.

Palpitoad93

@Shift:

I'm really wondering what you mean by room to grow. How much room does Robin have to grow as a Poneglyph reader? Has Usopp yet been stumped about shooting something? When you're talking about a very specific skill that a character has, then yeah, there won't be a lot of obstacles in their execution of those skills until they're blocked or challenged.

So do you mean that a character has to grow by becoming unbeatable? I suppose Zoro hasn't gotten there quite yet; he's hasn't had very many victories since Mihawk, has he? He's had it especially tough lately in the New World, right? And Jinbe must have taken care of Akainu by now; he does "pale in comparison", after all.

I'm not going to pretend like Jinbe is weak, or that he has his whole life ahead of him. But the simple fact remains that he is no where near finished; he's still got things to do, things to learn for himself, and, most likely, a dream he's still chasing. It's entirely possible Oda could have some serious upgrades in store for his already impressive move set; it's what he's done for all his other main characters. And in the highly unlikely event he doesn't join, we've still got some more to learn about him when we undoubtedly see him again. So in that sense, yes, I believe he still has room to grow.

That's Otohime's dream. Lets keep that clear. Jimbe's "dream" could build on that, but he needs to get his own will so to speak.

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@'T€:

@$;2958142']then there is not much foreshadowing that Jinbe won't join/will die. Double standards.

Wait what? Jinbe was foreshadowed back in Arlong park nothing like that has occured as of late. That's what I meant.

T

@Superbear:

Wait what? Jinbe was foreshadowed back in Arlong park nothing like that has occured as of late. That's what I meant.

That's because Jinbe has a greater relevance to story than Namur. And while Jinbe was foreshadowed, there was nothing explicitly stated that he is the strongest fishman or FK user.

Superbear 22

@'T€:

@$;2958150']That's because Jinbe has a greater relevance to story than Namur.

We weren't even talking about Namur…... We were discussing other strong Fishmen that might be in the Yonko's crews.

T

@Superbear:

We weren't even talking about Namur…... We were discussing other strong Fishmen that might be in the Yonko's crews.

Same case with them or any other future Fishman character. Moreover his foreshadowing so early in the story gives more of a reason for Jinbe joining.

Superbear 22

@'T€:

@$;2958157']Same case with them or any other future Fishman character.

How do you know no other Fishman will be important in the story later on?

T

@Superbear:

How do you know no other Fishman will be important in the story later on?

not more important than a future Nakama.

Shift

@Superbear:

Robin's reading skills aren't relevant.

There are better snipers than Ussopp (namely his father and Auger)

Your not arguing Zoro are you? Cause its not like Mihawk is alive with his title or anything, but okay.

As far as everything else, seeing is believing. When I see a dream in the manga he'll have one, everything else is fan-fiction.

Why, exactly, is one of her main skills not relevant?

Funny enough, we have no current indicator as to how Usopp compares to either of them from the time skip. They don't have pop greens, for one thing.

I'm saying that Zoro is very clearly a cut above a great many people he faces, as is Jinbe. And they both have foes they were and may still be no match against, however few.

Again, funny enough, Jinbe saying he wants to join after he handles some things is entirely canon. If we're gonna call merely speculating that he has a dream fan-fiction, then are guess this entire thread, if not all theory threads in general, are fan-fiction too. Is that bad?
@Palpitoad93:

That's Otohime's dream. Lets keep that clear. Jimbe's "dream" could build on that, but he needs to get his own will so to speak.

I…kinda did, with the whole "most likely" bit.

Zik

Still the same old boring Jimbe talk, eh?

YAWN

auem

@'T€:

@$;2958067']as Neptune said they will be enrolled in Neptune's army and protect Fishman Island.

Neptune never said anything specific about Sun pirates(he just asked Jibei about their status quo)…though that's a real possibility....

Greenmane

@Superbear:

The reason why there's no one better than Jinbe is because several of hundreds of chapters ago he was foreshadowed to be the biggest baddest fishman out there. Since then no else "living" has been mentioned to be better or on par with Jinbe, as far as I know. This makes me think that Jinbe is the Fishman martial art equivalent to Mihawk. Now, and this a question to everyone;do you think someone who is already a world renowned master at their craft can grow with the other members of the main cast for the remainder of the story?

Yes, just because Jinbe is the best at fishman karate doesn't mean he cannot get better.
also, jinbe's dream is not to be the best at fishman karate fishman karate because he most likely already is.

when he does just the ship his dream would be to bring equality between humans and fishman.

beck26

@Blowfish:

This is the problem right here, you all spend too much time on Tv Tropes.

oda does too…he uses tropes everytime

Cymelion

@beck26:

oda does too…he uses tropes everytime

.< Every writer uses Tropes. Tropes are like an iPhone ad "Want a story about a guy having to save a girl … theres a trope for that. Want a story about a lost hero trying to find his way home in an unfamiliar setting theres a trope for that too."

Tropes are merely the consolidation of common stories to their base ingredient and then given a title to easily refer to them. However each story is inherently different by simply how the author decides to tell it - even when an author tries to tell the opposite story of a common trope there is already a trope for that. Oda doesn't need to spend time researching tropes he has enough imagination he is re-inventing tropes well enough on his own I would assume, TVtropes exists for others to get an idea of which forms of entertainment share common tropes you might be interested in and then you can see the same one "Find the mcguffin to defeat the big bad" shown a thousand different ways.

Katzztar

@FrozenGlasses:

Not really, he is one of the 4 emperors, so i bet he got a ton of enemies, MAYBE more than Jinbe.

But yeah, why do we even discuss that Jinbe is going to die? This is One Piece..cmon..I can count the number of significant character that really die with just fingers on one hand i guess?

If Jinbe really die..i can see Wapol join the SH soon after that..

lol I love this response!

@Palpitoad93:

Fisher Tiger was supposed to be, but we all know how that turned out…

http://www.mangareader.net/103-49859-3/one-piece/chapter-580.html

If you want to make a point using manga pages, make sure its a page others can see. People in the USA can't see mangareader, so all we see is a little black box and unfortunately for the poster, no point has been made.

@Superbear:

We weren't even talking about Namur…... We were discussing other strong Fishmen that might be in the Yonko's crews.

Sorry to not understand where you're coming from so I ask for some clarification…
How does Namur not fit that? He's a commander of the Whitebeard pirates so that means he is a strong fishman and was on a Yonkou's crew ....
Oh, is that what you mean on the current Yonkou's crew? And as WB is dead, the remaining members of his crew are no longer a yonkou's crew? Well, it could be argued that we don't know what happened to Namur after that, some think remains of WB's crew joined other yonkous. (I don't think so though)

Blowfish

@beck26:

oda does too…he uses tropes everytime

He uses his own tropes.

Monkey King

@beck26:

oda does too…he uses tropes everytime

You don't actually know what tropes are.

Mikan

@auem:

I didn't said Jinbei should die…i don't want it....but what after Big Mam is defeated.?..what will happen to the Sun pirates working under her...?..Jinbei is a person who always takes the responsibility....i can well see him sailing again for their sake..as a allied pirates to Luffy...i would like that more than him being the crewmate...

Jinbe's already been asked to join and essentially accepted, with no mention of the Sunny Pirates. He talked about other responsibilties, but not them. Any obligation to stay with them didn't occur to him during his conversations with Luffy or with Neptune. It would be extremely random for them to suddenly be brought up, regardless of what you personally want.

@Superbear:

Now, and this a question to everyone;do you think someone who is already a world renowned master at their craft can grow with the other members of the main cast for the remainder of the story?

We've seen Jinbe lose against top tier fighters like Akainu. He wasn't able to change the tide of the war, or take care of the Fishman Island problem. Just because he is the best at a particular sub-specialty doesn't mean that he's the best, period; it doesn't mean that he can't grow as he faces off against other martial artists. Like Luffy or Sanji or Zoro or anyone, regardless of how good he is at his particular brand of fighting, he'll have to struggle to adapt his style against his opponents and become stronger.

It would be one thing if he were the best fighter, or best martial artist, in One Piece. But he's just the best at fishman karate (and the timeskip has clearly closed the gap between the monster trio and him.) Which is a set school (unlike Luffy's fighting style, Zoro's, etc.), but has barely been seen in the story itself. It's not like we know there is going to be a fishman in every crew they face from now on, which he is automatically better than. He's going to be measured against all sorts of fighters, not just fishmen. Think of Hack - he was stated to be a top-notch fishman karate practitioner, but that didn't matter, since he wasn't competing against just other fishmen.

It just seems ridiculous to suggest that they need to find a weaker fishman, especially at this point in their journey (and after offering to Jinbe and receiving a conditional acceptance.) If anything, it makes Jinbe more of a distinct character among the Strawhats, being a top-class veteran pushing the boundaries of his fighting style.

Kevin91

Even if Jinbe is the best at fishman karate, how many other fishmen do you seriously expect him to fight in the series.

WarshipArc

@Kevin91:

Even if Jinbe is the best at fishman karate, how many other fishmen do you seriously expect him to fight in the series.

Not sure how many fishmen Jinbe will fight in the future, I do know that he'll be fighting plenty of humans.
Cuz you know,he'll be sailing with Luffy. Dude's practically a fight magnet, it feels like he gets in a fight every arc!
Good thing Jinbe has a unique fighting style, helps keep all those fights interesting.

Blowfish

Can we just admit Oda had the intention of at least one Shichibukai joining the crew?

FrankyFan

Oh, you mean Hancock? :ninja:

Monkey King

@FrankyFan:

Oh, you mean Hancock? :ninja:

You and your kind are defeated. Away with you.

FrankyFan

I thought :ninja: was accepted as sarcasm?

Monkey King

@FrankyFan:

I thought :ninja: was accepted as sarcasm?

I've always seen it as "hee hee". Which could mean lots of things.

valiantt

You gettin' old Zeph. Get with the times man! :ninja: Even I know that's the emoticon for SARCASM dood.