@brennen.exe:
I'm about to head out of the office for the day and have a soccer game right after, so this is probably my last post for a while. I might just bow out entirely.
Sounds good, hit me up if you want to continue. Good discussion so far.
"Understand that"? How about you find an example of you being used plurally, anywhere, and get back to me.
This is a piss poor example, because there are no real life examples of a person (actually) harboring multiple persons within them.
BUT…You meet a person with multiple personality disorder, how would you refer to them?
Even though they are one body with multiple persons, they gain the possibility of being referred to by both "you" and "them".
Technically neither are wrong, because that person is both one being, and multiple beings at the same time.
In Teach's case the same could apply. IF Luffy and Zoro sensed multiple persons within him, referring to Teach as "them" would technically be correct, even though he is one body.
You have yet to make a case for that, so I maintain my initial stance, that it did nothing. But wait! I'll break down why later. Keep reading.
Here's proof.
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Anyone can get in to the Tarai Current. The problem is getting out, which requires authorization codes, which requires Marines. Incidentally that is itself a minor plothole in Blackbeard arriving at Impel Down; nobody was there to open the gates. They only hypnotized people for the gates at Marineford. Make note of the fact that in chapter 542 Sengoku was informed that a Marine vessel with no authorization had arrived at Impel Down.
And he didn't plan how to approach this problem before?
I doubt he just showed up at the gates and was like "Oh shit, what now?"
Putting aside the whole "arriving safely because" issue I addressed above, you tack on and his Shichibukai status like it actually played a part yet fail to explain why. Well it didn't play a part, in any case, but I thought I'd point that out.
Teach seems to think it played a pretty important role.
Once again…
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What happened at the gates is completely irrelivant, but again I'll explain why later. Being generous I'll say it bought him 15 seconds.
Fair enough, when talking about AT the gate, sure.
But everything up to that point went smoothly because he was a Shichibukai.
This is as good a place as any to explain, so pay attention: The Tarai Current is open access; the gates require auth codes; the codes require Marines; Blackbeard was an unknown pirate; Blackbeard has a hypnotist on crew. A real plan would be to steal a ship, easily done, and hypnotize the crew to request authorization. Pretend to be with the Marines to escort a prisoner inside, and then wreak havok and escape with new crew. Even with this plan, which you'll note accomplishes THE SAME THING his title did and more, he'd still fail. Why? Because…
I feel like Teach saying the complete opposite of this trumps your theory.
If it weren't for the war, he'd have 30 minutes to break in and out of Impel Down under the best circumstances. 30 minutes, because it only takes 30 minutes for the Admirals and a fleet to get from Marineford to Impel Down, in the Calm Belt, where Blackbeard's only escape would be the Tarai Current full of Marines (and the Admirals). He'd also have to face a fully staffed and prepared Impel Down, rather than a cripled and resource exhausted one. His plan was to catch a bounty of 100mil or more, which is why he was after Luffy. Had he caught Luffy, there would have been no war. Without the war, the second Marineford knew he showed up at Impel Down they would have sent the Admirals and then some. Even pretending they didn't for some reason, his escape plan was to go back through the Tarai Current, which gives him two exits: Enies Lobby, Marineford. When he made his plans Enies Lobby was also full functional. His plan sucked.
His initial plan was Impel Down.
Whitebeard and Marineford was a cherry on top. I'm sure he started planning it out the second he turned in Ace.
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Even though he himself seems to think otherwise?
I feel like he would know a little bit better than you would.
Per Kuma he earned his position through a display of power; his previous bounty was 0, so yes I think they didn't notice him at all.
I meant after he captured and turned in Ace. It must have been obvious that he was a force to be reckoned with by that point.
It's painfully obvious that he's a simpleton. An idiot. I feel like I'm watching Special Agent Oso. His track record is: sit and wait for rare item, get status to access off limits area, and steal strongest paramecia devil fruit. He has goals, but the plans to achieve them are incredibly straigtforward. One was lazy, one was flawed, and last was simply hope. I've made my cases on these, it's your job to challenge them, you can't simply assert you disagree over and over.
I guess it just boils down to opinion. I see a grand scheme master plan, and you just see him getting lucky with everything he does.
If he was smart enough to come up with the plan for Impel Down, I feel like he's smart enough to plan other things too. Not just relying entirely on luck and floating to wherever fate takes him. He takes action, and relies on luck and fate for the specific details within the action(s) that he takes.
Go to Impel Down was the plan, and everything else was fate and/or luck. Both in theory and execution.
Agreed. But how he got to Impel Down was a planned out process.
And going to Marineford and stealing Whitebeards ability was also a planned out process.
Its just like Laws plan in the most recent chapters. He has the basic game-plan, and unexpected shit happens and he reacts accordingly.
I see Teach as the same way, he has schemes and game-plans and acts on them, and then he relies on luck and fate for the unexpected shit that happens.
So he knew he wanted to get in to the most heavily guarded prison in history, but failed to account for it's guards. An idiot then.
Well, the details about the guards probably were unknown, so its not like he could've found out even if he wanted to. That doesn't make him an idiot.
Literally, amassing power was acquiring a Devil Fruit. He could have been a Fisher Tiger and had a better chance finding it while searching for it. My point is sitting there under Whitebeard's shadow didn't help him find the Yami Yami fruit. At all. It's a stupid plan. Rather, it's an extremely simple plan.
I feel like being on one of the strongest and largest pirate crews would definitely increase the chances of finding devil fruits.
He probably the assumption that lots of strong people will probably find more devil fruits than if he went searching for it by himself.
Regardless of how you look at it, being on Whitebeards crew definitely increased the chances of finding it, and he was right.
The fact that he actually found the fruit because he was on Whitebeards ship proves my point.
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Calculations can be completely wrong. And stupid.
Well, it wasn't for him, was it?
After all, he did end up finding the fruit because he was right. Staying on Whitebeards ship did increase his chances of finding the fruit, and that is exactly how he acquired it.
Uhhhhh. Huh? Wanting to steal Whitebeard's power isn't a plan. It's a desire. A want. A plan would allow it to happen. You are therefore implying that he intentionally started a war, because otherwise your link doesn't tell me anything.
That link was more about how his Shichibukai status actually served a purpose, and how he planned Impel Down.
Regarding Whitebeard, he had to have planned something out. After all, he had the black cloak in advance, he had the method of extracting the ability thought out in advance, and he had the method of sustaining the ability thought out in advance.
Point out the difference.
Details change things. You know what I mean.
Teach's situation was no where near as simple as going to the store and getting milk. His situation had many different deciding factors. Lafitte hypnotizing the guards, stealing a warship without the theft being reported, actually breaking in and out of Impel Down etc.