Huh…Well that's kind of interesting.
Hunter x Hunter II
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Does Togashi even care about HxH anymore?
I really doubt at this point he will ever finish it.I never really got a definitive answer as to whether the guy was legitimately ill or just doesn't care anymore.
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I never really got a definitive answer as to whether the guy was legitimately ill
He's terminally lazy. There is 0 evidence of there ever being any sort of illness (beyond rampant fan speculation) and plenty of articles, notes, and comments from other authors to indicate he's just lazy.
Even BEFORE he took hiatuses he was still missing 10-25 issues a year!
or just doesn't care anymore.
he cares enough to put in the least amount of effort possible to keep the fanbase dragged along occasionally while others merchandise and make him look good with anime and movie adaptations.
If its the latter he should just walk away and let someone else take a stab at finishing the series.
Why would he do that when he has the sweetest deal imaginable? He can work and be creatively fulfilled and paid super well for it… whenever he feels like.
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@RobbyBevard:
He's terminally lazy. There is 0 evidence of there ever being any sort of illness (beyond rampant fan speculation) and plenty of articles, notes, and comments from other authors to indicate he's just lazy.
We'ren't his 1-chapter Hiatuses attributed to illness by the Shonen Jump editor at the end of chapters?
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toghashi seems to have the best life possible on earth. His job discription is making "art" whenever he feels like it. The rest he can lurk arround doing fun stuff
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@RobbyBevard:
comments from other authors to indicate he's just lazy.
they're just mad jelly cause they wish they could be a BOSS like togashi #trololololololol
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We'ren't his 1-chapter Hiatuses attributed to illness by the Shonen Jump editor at the end of chapters?
Because writing "He isn't making his deadlines like the other 20 artists in the book" or "Togashi will disappoint you all again next week because he's being lazy" week after week isn't very polite and its a blatant insult to the fans.
Covering it with "illness" 10 or 20 times a year without any details is the politically correct way to excuse his behavior. If he was that badly off constantly then they really would have found an alternate solution, or had him end the series long before now, the way they did for Beet the Vandel Buster.
For instance, Oda gets sick they say "Oda has a cold" or "Oda has a tonsil infection" or with other creators "she's on maternity leave" or "The artist broke their hand so… hiatus." . With Togashi it was just
"Togashi is sick...
of working."
(And he wouldn't post messages that make it clear he's goofing off and playing video games instead of working.)
The volumes still sell a million copies at a go and provide fodder for a profitable anime franchise, so they let the crap go on.Better he gives them something ocasionally at middling quality than nothing at all... or goes to another publisher entirely.
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Yeah togashi is pretty much set. Even if his serie goes to hell, his sexy sailor moon wife is still making bank (as well as sitting on a fat inheritance) so yeah…consider him to be one of the more fortunate guys.inthe industry...if not, the most fortunate.
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Togashi's got the can't-do-manga-disease!
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How the hell does he manage to have this ridiculous deal with Shuiesha?
Are contract writers in Japan high all of the time?
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I can never tell what's worse: the people always discussing the hiatus or the hiatus itself
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I can never tell what's worse: the people always discussing the hiatus or the hiatus itself
This size fits better.
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If any American comic book writer tried this they'd be out of a job pretty damn fast.
Not true. There's a ton of writers (Kevin Smith, Damon Lindelof) and artists (Joe Madureia, Scott Campbell, Todd McFarlane) who have enough clout they can take months or even years between issues but still get a ton of run due to the amount of sales or notoriety they once had, and when their new issue hits, they still sell a ton. Hell, Joe Mad ended Battlechasers on a cliffhanger for years. He finished the cliffhanger eventually, but still hasn't finished the story. In fact, there's lots of writers that come in from Hollywood (or go to Hollywood) that have massive fanbases that they bring with it but restrained schedules that muck things up… Ultimate Hulk vs. Wolverine took 4 years to come out with 6 issues!
They just don't get any respect from the fans and lose all momentum... but the issues still get bought.
On a more well respected front, Wendy Pini of Elfquest is well respected and hardworking writer/artist, but the original Elfquest would take 4-5 months between issues, and there have been years and years between series... (She's only now returning to the final story after nearly 14 years away from the series being published... and only as a weekly webcomic). Watchmen, Crisis on Infinite earths, and Ultimates all took 2-7 months between some issues. Alex Ross tends to spend a year in advance painting his projects and being done before they start printing. Sandman by the end of its run was coming out every 5 weeks instead of every 4 (even with multiple artists) because Neil Gaiman just couldn't keep up the pace while still maintaining quality.. Ont he manga front everyone accepts how long it takes Berserk to come out.
Novel writers can take 1-10 YEARS between books, and that's generally pretty accepted except when they're in the middle of ongoing stories.
But people accepted it in those cases because you could see the effort on the page and the final product is solid and the creators kept hitting a regular schedule.
Of course there you can see the work actually going into the story.
Famous shmucks get away with stupid delays... and so do slow but dedicated quality creators.
If Togashi's hiatuses were just scheduled and predictable people would have much less problem with them.
"It takes him time to do the story to his satisfcation and he's just not cut out for a weekly grind at his age" is perfectly acceptable and legitimate. Everyone is fine with that answer. So... do it in a monthly mag. Or just come out between January and April every year. Some consistency and dependability would go a long way. Instead, whenever he comes back there's awways the question of "so, is it going to be 10 chapters or 20 this time?" without any serious expectations of him running the long term, which hurts the story. (At this point I'm convinced he only managed 30 last time around on the specific note that he absolutely had to have a reasonable ending point for when the anime inevitably caught up and he'd already been dragging a two year arc out for seven.)
Of course, that excuse falls to shreds when he puts out scribble chapters, and then doesn't even fix them for the trade, which was the old standby excuse.
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If any American comic book writer tried this they'd be out of a job pretty damn fast.
Being fair here, an American Comic Writer only has to write 1 issue a month while Togashi has to do a weekly publication.
Sometimes I wonder if the new anime was a blessing and a curse. It got the series a lot of new fans (myself included) and possibly was the reason Togashi decided to just let Gon go ahead and meet Ging to get that plot point out of the way but at the same time it is probably the reason he hasn't written a new chapter in over a year now because he feels that he left such a perfect ending point he can just wait until this show is done to publish any new chapters. It's a real Win Lose situation…
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Being fair here, an American Comic Writer only has to write 1 issue a month while Togashi has to do a weekly publication.
Togashi could easily go monthly if he wanted to.
They basically let him get away with murder already so monthly or bi-monthly would hardly be an issue.
Hell why doesn't he just write/draw straight for the volume, or if he's can't/wont draw anymore he could script and have another artist do the art in a similar style.
He should do something…anything, before he loses what little remains of his reputation.
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I want to be a Togashi.
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Togashi could easily go monthly if he wanted to.
They basically let him get away with murder already so monthly or bi-monthly would hardly be an issue.
Hell why doesn't he just write/draw straight for the volume, or if he's can't/wont draw anymore he could script and have another artist do the art in a similar style.
He should do something…anything, before he loses what little remains of his reputation.
You can't lose your reputation on hiatus when you're notorious for going on long hiatuses.
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Being fair here, an American Comic Writer only has to write 1 issue a month while Togashi has to do a weekly publication.
Any American Comic Writer with any sort of fanbase writes 3-5 books a month plus other stuff, and tend to be much more densely packed pages and dialogue heavy than manga counterparts.
Its apples and oranges anyway given the art, coloring, non-anthology component.
Mostly Togashi just needs to be compared to his other black and white manga peers that use assistants.
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i can't claim to know anything about either side of the water's graphic novel policy but don't some western series have multiple people working on it? I'm sure the walking dead credits like 2 people for the art, 1 guy for the story and about 4 people for assistants. Wouldn't that make it easier for some authors
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Even if the title of the thread is still Hiatus x Hiatus, everytime I get in here I hope HxH is back.
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I can never tell what's worse: the people always discussing the hiatus or the hiatus itself
This is why I only talk about the anime.
Seriously there was that time when this thread was about whether Gon and Killua's relationship was umm "unhealthy" and that time when the topic was whether togashi faps or not.
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We'ren't his 1-chapter Hiatuses attributed to illness by the Shonen Jump editor at the end of chapters?
Heh.
On another note. Togashi has one line of defense: he doesn't work with assistants. Oda has four which is standard for top-rung manga. But keep in mind that those starting usually don't have any because they cannot afford them. Oda's former assistant Ando is now being published in Saikyo Jump and he does all of his (amazing) work alone. What's the catch? It's monthly so he has more time to do that.
As for Togashi? He has both time and money. He's simply a faux perfectionist. He uses it as a shield so he can't be compared to more successful authors.
You should read the critique he wrote about Oda back when he judged Ikki Yakou. It's roll-in-the-aisle irony.
That quip about him being a misogynist goes back to a comment he made in Jump where some woman in a dark alley mistook him for a perv and ran away at full speed. Honest mistake in a dark place. But no, Togashi chose to write, "Who the hell would be interested in someone that looks the way you do, dumbaaaaaaaaaaaass."
Not joking.
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That quip about him being a misogynist goes back to a comment he made in Jump where some woman in a dark alley mistook him for a perv and ran away at full speed. Honest mistake in a dark place. But no, Togashi chose to write, "Who the hell would be interested in someone that looks the way you do, dumbaaaaaaaaaaaass."
Not joking.
I remember reading about that. It made me laugh because it was a pretty stupid comment. Made him sound like some angry old man i thought.
He's not a mysoginist. It's not like his women are weak or treated differently he just has an odd obsession with crossdressing i think
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He's simply a faux perfectionist. He uses it as a shield so he can't be compared to more successful authors.
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@RobbyBevard:
Robby faux is false in french.:ninja:
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Robby faux is false in french.:ninja:
hope that I didn't ruin the jokeI know what faux is.
Its the standard reply now whenever that excuse comes up… and its great. It totally destroys those that argue Togashi works hard.. while at the same time agreeing with those that are being sarcastic about it.
It's a wonderful little image that distills so much. A picture is worth a thousand words.
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Maybe if I add eyes it won't look so terrifying…
Nevermind :getlost:
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@RobbyBevard:
I know what faux is.
Its the standard reply now whenever that excuse comes up… and its great. It totally destroys those that argue Togashi works hard.. while at the same time agreeing with those that are being sarcastic about it.
It's a wonderful little image that distills so much. A picture is worth a thousand words.
I have to make myself read/see this Manga/anime someday but first got to finish Slayers.
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The second anime is going to get canceled at this rate….
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LOL! As if that would happen! The anime gets crazy ratings and it won't end until they reach the election arc (although that's just my speculation), either wa, it won't get canceled. If anything it will finish off where the series should have finished off if Togashi were a practical person and not a complete slacker that wants money from working little to none without having to end his series…
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The second anime is going to get canceled at this rate….
Why would it cancelled? It has no reason to. It's got material to last till the end. It's not like Togashi left off on a cliffhanger or mid sentence. May as well say the series is done.
Then 10 years from now we'll get Hunter x Hunter Z. Gon and Killua will be older, people will fight in unknown places, maybe go into space.
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You should read the critique he wrote about Oda back when he judged Ikki Yakou. It's roll-in-the-aisle irony.
Can you post a link, please? I think this will be comedy gold.
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Why would it cancelled? It has no reason to. It's got material to last till the end. It's not like Togashi left off on a cliffhanger or mid sentence. May as well say the series is done.
Then 10 years from now we'll get Hunter x Hunter Z. Gon and Killua will be older, people will fight in unknown places, maybe go into space.
Who will have the kid? Leorio found someone?
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That quip about him being a misogynist goes back to a comment he made in Jump where some woman in a dark alley mistook him for a perv and ran away at full speed. Honest mistake in a dark place. But no, Togashi chose to write, "Who the hell would be interested in someone that looks the way you do, dumbaaaaaaaaaaaass."
Not joking.
Just that makes him a misogynist? Is that all he did?
I thought it was something actually, you know, defamatory towards women.Calling someone unattractive that way doesn't make you sexist, lol
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What kid are you talking about?
I think caesar is trying to predict what cliche we can expect from post time skip HxH : )
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Ahhh. Hm…If it was really following the DBZ route it should be Gon who shows up with a kid...you know, follow in his father's footsteps of abandoning their offspring. Just leaving the kid a note that he's going to have to come find his old man and grandpa if they want to meet lol.
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You should read the critique he wrote about Oda back when he judged Ikki Yakou. It's roll-in-the-aisle irony.
Okay, I'm interested. :O
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@No:
Okay, I'm interested. :O
I don´t know whether that was ever published or translated, i could not find it
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heres something interesting to read http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/house-of-1000-manga/2012-04-26 a review of HxH from WSJ (US) former editor. its well written, I think
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heres something interesting to read http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/house-of-1000-manga/2012-04-26 a review of HxH from WSJ (US) former editor. its well written, I think
that last line had me in stitches.
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I've been rewatching the earlier Hunter Exam episodes of the 2011 version of the show and I have to say while the series is still of excellent quality I wonder how much different/better the show would have been if they had kept the adventerous tone the Exams had throughout the entire series and the excellent dynamic Gon, Leorio, and Kurapika had to each other that Killua who while I will admit is awesome and I love his character, kind of ruined.
I always imagined the show would be about them going on crazy adventures, fighting fantastic villians and creatures and focusing on their subplots more slowly rather than giving them arcs or reasons to leave (Kurapika's Phantom Troupe subplot really only got dealt with in York New and Leorio just left to be a doctor and never really got to do much Hunter stuff I mean). It's still an excellent series regardless and I love watching it every week but watching the early episodes reminded me of the anticipation and speculation I had of where the story would go and I felt like sharing.
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I don´t know whether that was ever published or translated, i could not find it
I discussed it on the podcast a while back. I don't think its available elsewhere yet but the original book can be ordered online.
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I've been rewatching the earlier Hunter Exam episodes of the 2011 version of the show and I have to say while the series is still of excellent quality I wonder how much different/better the show would have been if they had kept the adventerous tone the Exams had throughout the entire series and the excellent dynamic Gon, Leorio, and Kurapika had to each other that Killua who while I will admit is awesome and I love his character, kind of ruined.
I always imagined the show would be about them going on crazy adventures, fighting fantastic villians and creatures and focusing on their subplots more slowly rather than giving them arcs or reasons to leave (Kurapika's Phantom Troupe subplot really only got dealt with in York New and Leorio just left to be a doctor and never really got to do much Hunter stuff I mean). It's still an excellent series regardless and I love watching it every week but watching the early episodes reminded me of the anticipation and speculation I had of where the story would go and I felt like sharing.
I felt the same way you do initially and still do to a slight extent. However, I've grown appreciative of Hunter X Hunter's willingness to break the conventions of Shonen and risk separating the main characters for long periods of time when it's logical. Considering Kurapika and Leorio's goals, it doesn't make much sense for them to travel with Gon. Even Killua has left now that it makes the most for him.
Plus, I feel like we would be getting more of the Gon, Leorio, and Kurapika dynamic if it weren't for all the hiatuses. It only felt like Leorio and Kurapika were absent forever since they went almost over a decade without an appearance instead of the 3-4 years it should have been (I forget how long GI and CA were chapter-wise).
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Considering Kurapika and Leorio's goals, it doesn't make much sense for them to travel with Gon.
Just because their goals differ doesn't mean Togashi can't give them screentime.
Plus, I feel like we would be getting more of the Gon, Leorio, and Kurapika dynamic if it weren't for all the hiatuses. It only felt like Leorio and Kurapika were absent forever since they went almost over a decade without an appearance instead of the 3-4 years it should have been (I forget how long GI and CA were chapter-wise).
Actually, it feels that way because they've been gone for the majority of the story. Even without the hiatus's, GI and CA was way too long to go without seeing two of the supposed main characters.
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Oh, and the CA arc alone was 133 chapters. Even the Strawhat separation only lasted about 80.
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Oh, and the CA arc alone was 133 chapters. Even the Strawhat separation only lasted about 80.
And even then they were shown in cover pages, or Bon taking their forms in Impel Down, or showing what they were all up to after the war. they had a continuous presence even when they were gone.
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Just because their goals differ doesn't mean Togashi can't give them screentime.
Studying to be a doctor doesn't lend itself much to interesting stories. At the very least, not stories that couldn't be told in any other medium. Kurapika's a different story. His actions could be very interesting to see, but they don't dovetail very well with Gon's (and by extension, Killua's) goals. So it would be difficult to include Kurapika in a way that doesn't take screentime away from Gon and Killua or make the whole excursion largely pointless. Also, it seems Kurapika's character has taken a turn lately that doesn't lend itself to team-ups.
Actually, it feels that way because they've been gone for the majority of the story. Even without the hiatus's, GI and CA was way too long to go without seeing two of the supposed main characters.
"Supposed" being the operative word. A manga is supposed to tell a story, and has no reason to be constrained by arbitrary terms such as "main characters." The worst you can fault Togashi for is making it seem as if Leorio and Kurapika were going to show up more often. And that's a rather biased and minor issue.
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Studying to be a doctor doesn't lend itself much to interesting stories. At the very least, not stories that couldn't be told in any other medium.
Togashi has proven that he can make interesting stories out of (comparatively) mundane activities, even in a shonen action manga. But if he couldn't do anything with the doctor subplot, then Togashi should've planned it out a little better.
Kurapika's a different story. His actions could be very interesting to see, but they don't dovetail very well with Gon's (and by extension, Killua's) goals. So it would be difficult to include Kurapika in a way that doesn't take screentime away from Gon and Killua or make the whole excursion largely pointless. Also, it seems Kurapika's character has taken a turn lately that doesn't lend itself to team-ups.
I had to chuckle at that "lately" line.
Again, this is nothing that couldn't be solved with better planning and/or pacing. Heck, considering the ants were a global threat, I don't see why Kurapika and Leorio couldn't have joined in on the action.
"Supposed" being the operative word. A manga is supposed to tell a story, and has no reason to be constrained by arbitrary terms such as "main characters."
Right, so identifying someone as a "main character" due to their screentime and focus in the story is totally arbitrary. Got it.
The worst you can fault Togashi for is making it seem as if Leorio and Kurapika were going to show up more often.
You mean like putting them on the volume covers of volumes they don't even appear in?
And that's a rather biased and minor issue.
Biased? No.
Minor issue? Well, Togashi did manage to make a pretty interesting story with Gon and Killua, but it's still disappointing that we don't get to see more of Kurapika and Leorio, and it is noticeable.
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Togashi has proven that he can make interesting stories out of (comparatively) mundane activities, even in a shonen action manga. But if he couldn't do anything with the doctor subplot, then Togashi should've planned it out a little better.
Of course Togashi "could" have, but I don't see how the stories we got were any less valid.
Again, this is nothing that couldn't be solved with better planning and/or pacing. Heck, considering the ants were a global threat, I don't see why Kurapika and Leorio couldn't have joined in on the action.
He plans things out pretty darn well already. Kurapika and Leorio are fine characters, but I don't understand your fixation towards them.
Right, so identifying someone as a "main character" due to their screentime and focus in the story is totally arbitrary. Got it.
If you call someone a main character because of their screentime and focus, then turn around and say "why don't these guys get more screentime and focus: they're main characters!" then arbitrary is an apt term.
You mean like putting them on the volume covers of volumes they don't even appear in?
Yes, stuff like that. That's the most you can rightly fault him on.
Biased? No.
Bias: The inclination to present or hold a partial perspective at the expense of (possibly equally valid) alternatives.
Your bias is the conclusion that Kurapika and Leorio's presence is generally beneficial to Togashi's stories. I don't think that's necessarily true, largely because your opinion seems built upon the concept of "main characters." What about Knuckle and Shoot, or Genthuru or Knov or Hanzo? They were all fine characters: should Togashi go out of his way to add them to his latest arc? You say that Kurapika and Leorio could have been in the Ant Arc, but that arc was chock full of characters as-is.
Minor issue? Well, Togashi did manage to make a pretty interesting story with Gon and Killua, but it's still disappointing that we don't get to see more of Kurapika and Leorio, and it is noticeable.
If a story is good, I find it hard to be dissapointed in it.