If it lands in the ocean, everyone laughs.
IF it gets shot down, China puts their foot down.
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@Monkey:
Maybe nothing , maybe war breaks out. Nothing big.
Perhaps is because I'm not very informed, but how is a war break out nothing big? Those fools may very well try to attack some nearby country, or there's something I don't know, reason why pretty much everybody here doesn't give two fucks.
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Perhaps is because I'm not very informed, but how is a war break out nothing big? Those fools may very well try to attack some nearby country, or there's something I don't know, reason why pretty much everybody here doesn't give two fucks.
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Perhaps is because I'm not very informed, but how is a war break out nothing big? Those fools may very well try to attack some nearby country, or there's something I don't know, reason why pretty much everybody here doesn't give two fucks.
The reason why no one gives "two fucks" is because it's North Korea…c'mon. They've been doing this to get attention all the time.
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Yeah, I suspected it was because of this.
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Perhaps is because I'm not very informed, but how is a war break out nothing big? Those fools may very well try to attack some nearby country, or there's something I don't know, reason why pretty much everybody here doesn't give two fucks.
Where do you live that you don't know the deal on North Korea. I'm guessing not the US (or East Asia).
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@cooldud_21:
Considering that Pakistan has been ruled longer than dictators than politicians, a dictator would be more apt. Especially since the policies of Zia (coupled with the incompetence of democratic leaders and recent corruption) is responsible for this: http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-04-03/world/38228266_1_islamic-law-pakistanis-military-rule.
I don't think that makes a dictator a more apt choice. I thought demonstrating someone not being a 'shitstain of a politician' would be more appropriately done by showing a real shitstain of a politician.
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I don't think that makes a dictator a more apt choice. I thought demonstrating someone not being a 'shitstain of a politician' would be more appropriately done by showing a real shitstain of a politician.
Fair enough. You focused on the politician bit of it, I focused on the shitstain bit. AOK.
Also, Zulfi remains one of the most popular premiers of his country. In a 2011 poll, he came second, behind Jinnah, in a poll to decide the greatest leader of Pakistan. -
I think the biggest deal about war is that so many lives will be lost on the North Korean front because of some cruel dictators brainwashing/propaganda. It would be great to simply assassinate the people leading the war, instead of slaughter millions of ignorant soldiers while Kim Jong un watches comfortably from his armchair made of unicorn horns.
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@Monkey:
Apparently North Korea is about to fire a missile. What sort of firing this is no one seems to know.
If it's shot over water nothing might happened.
If it's shot over land it's being intercepted and who knows what that goes to.Seeing as how this is North Korea we're talking about, there's always a chance of a Nedelin Disaster situation.
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I think the biggest deal about war is that so many lives will be lost on the North Korean front because of some cruel dictators brainwashing/propaganda. It would be great to simply assassinate the people leading the war, instead of slaughter millions of ignorant soldiers while Kim Jong un watches comfortably from his armchair made of unicorn horns.
Considering the inner political structure and hierarchy of North Korea are literaly unknown, that would seem about as difficult as trying to assassinate Big Brother.
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I think the biggest deal about war is that so many lives will be lost on the North Korean front because of some cruel dictators brainwashing/propaganda. It would be great to simply assassinate the people leading the war, instead of slaughter millions of ignorant soldiers while Kim Jong un watches comfortably from his armchair made of unicorn horns.
I think the focused bombing of the capital is usually to accomplish just that.
Casualties are unavoidable regardless, unless you're imagining sending an army of ninjas to assassinate the entire ruling cabinet.
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Even if we could zap the top brass out of existence with ninja precision, what would happen to the poor brainwashed people? Seems like a really different beast than anything we've seen with the Arab Spring.
Has anyone who matters actually proposed any contingency plans on the table for what to… do with the North Koreans if their government collapses/is ended?
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@CCC:
Seems like it would inevitably be a huge financial burden for any nation that wants to have any part in it.
This is a huge problem with the potential "unification". Even if the NK government is deposed and completely done away with. SK still has a dead appendage stuck on it. For a country obsessed with economically pushing itself as a global powerhouse, it isn't going to be very enthusiastic about fostering a ruined country and allocating resources towards building it back up to 2nd world standards. Heck, SK is still having problems in doing this with some of the countryside regions. (Not to say the countryside is 3rd world which is a laughable notion to consider, but some parts outside for the major cities are pretty much ignored).
It wouldn't have been that bad if the NK issue was fixed back in the 50-60s, but now the disparity is pretty apparent between the two countries (especially after SK's economic boost after the Vietnam war).
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This is a huge problem with the potential "unification". Even if the NK government is deposed and completely done away with. SK still has a dead appendage stuck on it. For a country obsessed with economically pushing itself as a global powerhouse, it isn't going to be very enthusiastic about fostering a ruined country and allocating resources towards building it back up to 2nd world standards. Heck, SK is still having problems in doing this with some of the countryside regions. (Not to say the countryside is 3rd world which is a laughable notion to consider, but some parts outside for the major cities are pretty much ignored).
It wouldn't have been that bad if the NK issue was fixed back in the 50-60s, but now the disparity is pretty apparent between the two countries (especially after SK's economic boost after the Vietnam war).
Yea you're pretty much on the spot, I think. If I'm right the unification of Germany had similar problems (differing levels of wealth between both sides) and the impact is still being felt today. Not only that, but even if there's a sudden military collapse, there's also the weaponry to consider as well.
I recall coming across the book 'escape from camp 14' about the escape of one civilian, and I think he's still having problems trying to fit into society due to all the trauma he faced. This is gonna take a while before it gets better.
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This is absolutely heartbreaking. Something needs to be done. This is way to common these days, and it's still just being ignored.
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The leaders of several conservative groups sent a letter to the RNC saying that their groups would walk away from the GOP if they change their stance on social issues like gay marriage.
The GOP will be dead as a national party by 2017. Mark my words.
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Is anyone else laughing at this bitcoin shit as much as I am
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It's a fiat currency without anything at backing up its value besides speculators. What could possibly go wrong?
Complicating things since 2009.
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The leaders of several conservative groups sent a letter to the RNC saying that their groups would walk away from the GOP if they change their stance on social issues like gay marriage.
The GOP will be dead as a national party by 2017. Mark my words.
I have yet to read through the full article, but just on the face of it, does the treat of them withdrawing support not seem somewhat ridiculous? Or is it just me?
I mean, unless I'm misunderstanding, this is on the party level; if, as a party, the GOP changes its stance on social issues, then these people will withdraw support from the party as a whole. And… then what? I mean, they're hardly going to toss their support to the Democratic party instead. What are they going to do, try to support some independents? Just support nobody at all, pack up their toys and go home because they didn't get their way?
I don't know, I guess I know this is how politics works, more's the pity, but the whole thing just seems more petulantly childish than anything else, to me.
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@Panda:
I have yet to read through the full article, but just on the face of it, does the treat of them withdrawing support not seem somewhat ridiculous? Or is it just me?
I mean, unless I'm misunderstanding, this is on the party level; if, as a party, the GOP changes its stance on social issues, then these people will withdraw support from the party as a whole. And… then what? I mean, they're hardly going to toss their support to the Democratic party instead. What are they going to do, try to support some independents? Just support nobody at all, pack up their toys and go home because they didn't get their way?
I don't know, I guess I know this is how politics works, more's the pity, but the whole thing just seems more petulantly childish than anything else, to me.
Third party or staying away from polls would both be devastating to the GOP. The former would be worse, but the latter would still suck for them.
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@Panda:
What are they going to do, try to support some independents?
They will do that for a while.
About the GOP dying, I don't know. If they can purge this idiotic ultra-conservative element from their party, they might start appealing to the people at large again. I think they've already apologised for playing racial politics. And their libertarian wing has some pretty solid ideas.
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@cooldud_21:
They will do that for a while.
About the GOP dying, I don't know. If they can purge this idiotic ultra-conservative element from their party, they might start appealing to the people at large again. I think they've already apologised for playing racial politics. And their libertarian wing has some pretty solid ideas.They would have to survive a long dark winter.
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@Monkey:
They would have to survive a long dark winter.
That is true. But politics is an unpredictable game. Just like the South defected to the Republicans en masse in a decade after '65, all the Republican party can potentially need to renormalise it's image is a charismatic young leader.
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@Panda:
I have yet to read through the full article, but just on the face of it, does the treat of them withdrawing support not seem somewhat ridiculous? Or is it just me?
It's basically a political murder-suicide pact since it'll kill the GOP as a party and take away the very power structure that gives people like this influence at the same time.
I mean, unless I'm misunderstanding, this is on the party level; if, as a party, the GOP changes its stance on social issues, then these people will withdraw support from the party as a whole. And… then what? I mean, they're hardly going to toss their support to the Democratic party instead. What are they going to do, try to support some independents? Just support nobody at all, pack up their toys and go home because they didn't get their way?
They'll either try to form a Christian Americans for a Christly America Party or hijack somebody else's party. The Constitution Party most likely since that party already gets a lot of money from the Christian right.
I don't know, I guess I know this is how politics works, more's the pity, but the whole thing just seems more petulantly childish than anything else, to me.
Petty childishness is a central plank of the GOP platform these days.
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@cooldud_21:
That is true. But politics is an unpredictable game. Just like the South defected to the Republicans en masse in a decade after '65, all the Republican party can potentially need to renormalise it's image is a charismatic young leader.
The problem is actually exactly that they took on the South lol, because they became the South, and while there was a period of Southernization where the whole country sort of danced to their beat? The Bush era has clearly killed that off, and now the South is looking more politically and socially alone than it has since that time they fled to the Republicans.
So what's really happening is that the Republicans are becoming a regional power rather than a national one.Both parties changed around the 60's in some major ways, the republicans are the only one being forced to change now, while the Democrats are gaining power FROM the things that the south hates and the rest of the country doesn't care about or embraces.
If the South rejects Republicans those people aren't going to the Democrats and the Democrats have no reason to take them as again, their current upper hand is what the South hates.
The Republicans have to make inroads with people who..
1. Are comfortable with Democrats and have no reason to leave.
2. Don't trust the Republicans largely because of their Southern Strategy recent history.You're right to identify Libertarians as a potential new power on the right wing. The question is how does that manifest?
The South is too strong still on social right wingness, which Libertarians won't help them on.
And minorities aren't likely to come to the libertarians either.
They DO have huge inroads on the youth vote, but that's only one.I think the long dark winter will be the time between the irrelevance of the republicans and the point where libertarians can muster enough votes nationally to be their replacement.
Leaving the South alone, which is where I see a third party coming in. Of course even the South has rapid changes occurring within (see Virginia and North Carolina), and where THAT will lead them in the future? Pretty big question mark.
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It's basically a political murder-suicide pact since it'll kill the GOP as a party and take away the very power structure that gives people like this influence at the same time.
This was mostly my driving point, so I'm glad to see I'm not the only one with that impression. The fact that what they're threatening to do would hurt them just as much as the GOP just makes it come across as rather empty to me, although I suppose that doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't do it. Like you say, childish pettiness, and all.
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@Monkey:
I think the long dark winter will be the time between the irrelevance of the republicans and the point where libertarians can muster enough votes nationally to be their replacement.
I think that the Anti-Masonic Party has a better chance of replacing the Republican Party on a national level than the Libertarian Party does.
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"FUCK YEAH MAN LIBERTARIAN PARTY RON PAUL RON PAUL RON -"
"do you enjoy having a government that shrugs and says 'sorry infringing on states and business rights and all that' when you ask for help"
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This is how The Libertarian Party attempting to appeal to a larger audience will go.
"We need smaller government!"
YEAH!
"We need personal responsibility!"
YEAH!
"We need to cut corporate taxes!"
YEahhh, wait, what?
"We need to cut military spending!"
Huh.
"We need to cut Social Security and Medicare!"
Complicating things since 2009.
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I got into something of an argument with my Participation in Gov't teacher about Ron Paul
"But he's against the Patriot Act!!"
"He follows a horrible platform."
"But he's against the PAtriot Act!!!"
"Didn't you just get off lecturing us about how things like Monsanto and banks not being regulated only leads to bad things."
"…But he's against the Patriot Act!!!!!"
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"We need to cut military spending!"
I think that most people would actually agree with this one.
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I think that most people would actually agree with this one.
Ron Paul means period.
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@Monkey:
Ron Paul means period.
Well, that escalated quickly.
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The big issue with the Libertarian party is the fact that they're completely incapable of compromise and nuance.
"CUT ALL TAXES AND ALL WELFARE PROGRAMS"
"But sir how will we pay off our debt and what about all the unemployed -"
"THE GOVERNMENT COST THESE PEOPLE THEIR JOBS, THEREFORE THE GOVERNMENT SHOULDN'T HELP AT ALL"
"…why."
"THOMAS JEFFERSON THAT'S WHY"
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@Cyan:
The big issue with the Libertarian party is the fact that they're completely incapable of compromise and nuance.
"CUT ALL TAXES AND ALL WELFARE PROGRAMS"
"But sir how will we pay off our debt and what about all the unemployed -"
"THE GOVERNMENT COST THESE PEOPLE THEIR JOBS, THEREFORE THE GOVERNMENT SHOULDN'T HELP AT ALL"
"…why."
"THOMAS JEFFERSON THAT'S WHY"
Well they're inverse communists so it figures they'd share the near religious qualities that commies do.
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And if they're Rand-lovers, which I think most of the top libertarian dudes are, they don't stop at thinking giving is unnecessary, they literally think giving is evil. I don't think even Grandpa Jiminy who's always going off about the moochers is going to take to that.
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What is the difference between a man and a parasite? A man builds, a parasite asks, 'Where's my share?' A man creates, a parasite says, 'What will the neighbors think?' A man invents, a parasite says, 'Watch out, or you might tread on the toes of God…'
Good ol Andrew Ryan...err I mean Ayn Rand
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Though to be fair to Paul, he at least seems like just a well-intentioned old man who has literally nothing better to do than inspire teenagers on Reddit to talk about things they don't understand
Now Grover Norquist on the other hand…
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@Cyan:
Though to be fair to Paul, he at least seems like just a well-intentioned old man
Well, assuming that you ignore the racism, sexism, and homophobia like his fanbase does.
Complicating things since 2009.
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Well, assuming that you ignore the racism, sexism, and homophobia like his fanbase does.
Wow and I thought him fitting in with Reddit was weird.
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Oh boy, is this a Rand AND Reddit Roast? Please let me play, guys!
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I go to a university with lots of American students and they all loved Ron Paul.
The rest of us were just confused, but I think he/his ideology has a lot of pull with your country's youth.….or maybe I just hung out with too many stoners, I dunno
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I go to a university with lots of American students and they all loved Ron Paul.
The rest of us were just confused, but I think he/his ideology has a lot of pull with your country's youth.….or maybe I just hung out with too many stoners, I dunno
The young Americans who would have been republicans a generation ago are libertarians in this generation.
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@Monkey:
The young Americans who would have been republicans a generation ago are libertarians in this generation.
Oh I see. I think I can understand his appeal, radical as his ideas are.
Also it seems to be a gendered thing? Guys really liked him, not so much on the other side.NNID: julsjacket
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Oh I see. I think I can understand his appeal, radical as his ideas are.
Also it seems to be a gendered thing? Guys really liked him, not so much on the other side.Well, that gender divide exists along the left/right party line as well.
