Davy Back Fight?
Of course not. People have been saying they liked that arc throughout the thread
Oh, ok, thanks. All the samurai bullshet was annoying so I didnt read.
On a sidenote, I hope Diamante is actually Foxy.
Davy Back Fight?
Of course not. People have been saying they liked that arc throughout the thread
Oh, ok, thanks. All the samurai bullshet was annoying so I didnt read.
On a sidenote, I hope Diamante is actually Foxy.
I got this idea, don't know If somebody brought it up already.
What If the coliseum is like Sparta, they catch strong fighters and make them fight for their freedom in the coliseum, Kanjuro may be fighting for his so called freedom in the coliseum while the people in Dressrosa always go there to see the fights but you can also find kings/queens from other countries and may be Tenryuubitos as well
This is Rome, not Sparta :P
Well already mention that based on Foxy's idea a Battle Royal its better than a tournament and Colosseum means raw battles, raw power and etc
@Стрелок:
Spartacus is not just a tv show and it has nothing to do with Sparta.
True that
I'd love this, only if some think at stake would it make the most sense and Luffy would follow the rules for sure, it worked last time for them.
The crew will seperate into different groups like they do in every arc and Luffy will most likely go to the coloseum and compete in disquise and at some point his disquise will be blown and Diamante will lure him into a fight with Ace's Df. DD is underestimating Luffy by entrusting Ace's Df to this Diamante guy. I think Luffy will make a new friend in the coloseum, maybe a NN.
I'm all for it if it means that Robin, Ussop, Brook and Nami finally get a decent one on one fight (again).
Of course, there have to be good reasons for it to happen.
I'm all for it if it means that Robin, Ussop, Brook and Nami finally get a decent one on one fight (again).
Of course, there have to be good reasons for it to happen.
Honestly, none of the crew members (outside of Luffy) have had a decent one on one since Sabaondy (pre time skip).
Usually Tournament arcs in shounens are for grouping all the big names and watching them how they have progressed, here is something different, all the big names are dispersed around the grand line, and i doubt they are gonna be in this "coliseum". The war is the most close thing we had as an actual "Tournament arc".
I love coliseum themed adventure, i really hope Oda pulls something awesome out of this.
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i dont think dofla will hold an tournament, he is now a wanted man too, i dont know if this is this is the case for his compnions. But as long as dofla can
t stay put in one place he isn`t gonna run a tournament.
the colleseum and gladiator fighting for his life stuff is at ancient rome….
sparta is where the best ancient greek soldiers are at....
spartacus is a series with lots of bloods and boobies...
the colleseum and gladiator fighting for his life stuff is at ancient rome….
sparta is where the best ancient greek soldiers are at....
spartacus is a series with lots of bloods and boobies...
Soldiers on man to man fight. Others like archers, equestrian etc are from another cities
and this is where the tv series are based https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartacus
We already had Shabondy, which has all the introduction elements of a tournament arc, without any of the useless actual tourney one on one elimination tiered filler.
Jaya as well, if you want to go back that far.
If you look at them, the synamics are basically the same. "Introduce a lot of new characters that are about on even par with the hero, distinct personalities and goals, all want ot be the best (Pirate king in this case) and then they go at it.
In Bellamy's case, Bellamy beat up Luffy who refused to fight in the prelims, then he beat up acorn head and moves onto the next round, where Luffy OHKOed him in the final. Shabondy Kizaru and Kuma showed up and took on everyone.. everyone lost. Two year training arc, then the next Shabondy tournament everyone beat up fake Kuma.
Really the entire series is a contest to be the best. Condensing a newly introduced series-long rivalry between the supernovas down into a single fight would be pointless… thats what Raftel and all the adventures leading up to it is for.
well,from the posts i am reading ,the other's concept of tournament is different from what i have been thinking.i thought that luffy and others will get caught somewhere and will have to beat some people to get out,and they won't be participating voluntarily.mostly i think it would be great for comic-relief.well,now that all the people have been separated,i doubt there's gonna something like a tournament.or perhaps just the factory-destroying group could participate.
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quickly, include a spanish word.
Now that they are separated I think makes it possibly more likely one group will end up in smth like that, not less likely.
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I would rather rip my toe-nails off and dip my feet in a pool of sulfuric acid.
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I would rather rip my toe-nails off and dip my feet in a pool of sulfuric acid.
Ouch…
The only thing is I would want to like… go to Tournament Island or what have you and spend a lot of time getting into the mood. Luffy might need that as well; why else would he play along?
But that's a Tournament Arc. If a couple Straw Hats enter a fighting competition on the side, then whatever.
@RobbyBevard:
acorn head
It's a chestnut.
They could find a way of doing a tournament with the weaker half of the Strawhats, while the stronger half are elswhere in the story potentially looking for the factory to destroy. That way we could get some nice 1v1 action for the weaker members and see what they've got.
I was originally against a tournament arc, but eh wouldn't really mind it
They could find a way of doing a tournament with the weaker half of the Strawhats, while the stronger half are elswhere in the story potentially looking for the factory to destroy. That way we could get some nice 1v1 action for the weaker members and see what they've got.
i had the same thought, that way it would make the "weak" ones not run and fight
I wasn't going to mention it because I thought the subtle stuff would be more interesting to point to where the setup and introduction of characters is like a series-long tournament arc….
But since everyone is apparently ignoring it I guess I have to point out that Skypeia actually had a tournament arc within it with a couple hundred guys and multiple factions, right down to a time limit and a "top four/last man standing" thing.
Yeah, the thing is, as Robby points out, One Piece already has plenty of 'tournament' styled elements and arcs to it. Beyond that, while I won't say it's impossible, or that I don't think Oda would do it well if he chose to, I really don't see there being a more, for lack of a better word, 'traditional' tournament arc.
I feel that the question that supporters of such an arc aren't thinking of is, what is the point of such an arc? Speaking in general, mind, not specifically for One Piece; what does such an arc bring to the table that others do not?
I don't feel, as I think some do, that the answer is nothing. Rather, I think the fairly obvious answer is that the strength of a tournament arc lies in fights. Basically, any time a tournament arc shows up, it's with the promise of fights, and lots of them. Perhaps more importantly, it can allow for fights with or even between characters that don't otherwise often get that kind of exposure.
My problem, however, lies with the drawback of a tournament arc, since of course everything must have its weaknesses as well as its strengths. To me, the weakness of a tournament arc is certainly any sort of sense of adventure. It is, by its nature, extremely formatted: there is no exploration to be done, no worlds to discover; the only sense of mystery and drama comes from wondering what cool power we will see next, or who will prevail in the next fight, and how.
Again, this is an issue of a trade off, and I would not want to say that such arcs never have their place, or are a 'waste of time' or a 'cheap writing device' or any such thing. But given what I've said, for One Piece, it just doesn't fit to me, for the simple reason that it plays against the series main strength.
Fights in One Piece can be fun, of course, and a number I have truly enjoyed. However, they have never once been the thing that made me love the series. That love comes from the series amazing sense of adventure, the exploration, the romanticism of it all, of the sense of exploring and being part of a living world, our understanding of it as readers expanding along with the Straw Hats as we follow along with their journey, in a sense a part of it ourselves.
A tournament arc, again, has its strengths, I feel; but a tournament arc is none of that. So, to me, a tournament arc – entering into the colosseum, advancing through the brackets in a series of one on one fights to win the grand prize -- is simply not One Piece.
@Panda:
Yeah, the thing is, as Robby points out, One Piece already has plenty of 'tournament' styled elements and arcs to it. Beyond that, while I won't say it's impossible, or that I don't think Oda would do it well if he chose to, I really don't see there being a more, for lack of a better word, 'traditional' tournament arc.
I feel that the question that supporters of such an arc aren't thinking of is, what is the point of such an arc? Speaking in general, mind, not specifically for One Piece; what does such an arc bring to the table that others do not?
I don't feel, as I think some do, that the answer is nothing. Rather, I think the fairly obvious answer is that the strength of a tournament arc lies in fights. Basically, any time a tournament arc shows up, it's with the promise of fights, and lots of them. Perhaps more importantly, it can allow for fights with or even between characters that don't otherwise often get that kind of exposure.
My problem, however, lies with the drawback of a tournament arc, since of course everything must have its weaknesses as well as its strengths. To me, the weakness of a tournament arc is certainly any sort of sense of adventure. It is, by its nature, extremely formatted: there is no exploration to be done, no worlds to discover; the only sense of mystery and drama comes from wondering what cool power we will see next, or who will prevail in the next fight, and how.
Again, this is an issue of a trade off, and I would not want to say that such arcs never have their place, or are a 'waste of time' or a 'cheap writing device' or any such thing. But given what I've said, for One Piece, it just doesn't fit to me, for the simple reason that it plays against the series main strength.
Fights in One Piece can be fun, of course, and a number I have truly enjoyed. However, they have never once been the thing that made me love the series. That love comes from the series amazing sense of adventure, the exploration, the romanticism of it all, of the sense of exploring and being part of a living world, our understanding of it as readers expanding along with the Straw Hats as we follow along with their journey, in a sense a part of it ourselves.
A tournament arc, again, has its strengths, I feel; but a tournament arc is none of that. So, to me, a tournament arc – entering into the colosseum, advancing through the brackets in a series of one on one fights to win the grand prize -- is simply not One Piece.
i dont think a tournament is going to happen. a lot of the reason that have been said before come into my reasoning. what i do feel can happen is just what happened in the real world colosseum. Gladiator style. you are put in the Colosseum and you have to survive everything that is thrown at you. this could well happen if they are captured; or tricked into going inside it.
i dont think a tournament is going to happen. a lot of the reason that have been said before come into my reasoning. what i do feel can happen is just what happened in the real world colosseum. Gladiator style. you are put in the Colosseum and you have to survive everything that is thrown at you. this could well happen if they are captured; or tricked into going inside it.
Again.
Skypeia.
It doesn't feel very necessary, but since it's Oda I'm sure it would be done well. Still, it's sort of nice for One Piece to have the distinction of avoiding that trope.
@Panda:
A tournament arc, again, has its strengths, I feel; but a tournament arc is none of that. So, to me, a tournament arc – entering into the colosseum, advancing through the brackets in a series of one on one fights to win the grand prize -- is simply not One Piece.
Oh hey! Panda Bear! When did you come back? You were missed and assumed gone forever.
Good to have your insights again.
You know I voted on this poll, but I completely forgot about the Skypeia arc. The grandline in of itself is like a tournament.
@RobbyBevard:
Again.
Skypeia.
true, although that was more of a royal rumble type. but i see your point. would be a little repetitive
Here's the real reason why tournament arcs are so common in Shonen: It provides easy setup for why all the matches are one on one (or possibly two on two or whatever) and why the villains are for the most part following the rules (you'll occasionally get the one team who blatantly cheats). It also allows a ton of small factions to compete so you can have a fresh enemy every match before getting to an arc's main enemy team. So basically, you don't need to develop as many important characters, since most opponents are throwaway, and you can easily insert rules into a match to add drama, it provides an easy setup for one-on-one fights and just generally provides an easy ruleset to fall back on. They also provide a good excuse to give match ups that would ordinarily never occur which is usually more about throwing a bone to rabid fans obsessed with power levels than anything. They tend to be predictable (even upset's in the bracket tend to be predictable since there always seems to be a dark horse besides the good guys). There are times where it works, and times when it's downright necessary (mostly just sports manga, which I guess are a different beast) but most authors tend to fall back on it due more to laziness than anything else.
i love yu yu hakusho…so im fine with tournament arcs, and oda will do it so its gotta be good.
Nah, tournament arcs have the nasty habit of stopping the plot dead in its tracks. They're best left in series that are either sports-related or series that revolve around a tournament setting (like, say, gadiators in a Roman collessium).
In One Piece it would have to be part of a certain island's setting. Wano or Elbaf might offer tournament trappings, but I feel it's something that's best handled as a minor diversion than having a major arc devoted to. Foxy was fine mostly because it was short and didn't revolve around ass-kicking with the exception of the final "boxing" match. Even then the whole thing was played in a lighthearted manner.
i love yu yu hakusho…so im fine with tournament arcs, and oda will do it so its gotta be good.
That was the best tournament arc ever made imo. The Naruto tournament arc in the beginning of the series was pretty fantastic as well, even if it was interrupted halfway through.
Nah, tournament arcs have the nasty habit of stopping the plot dead in its tracks. They're best left in series that are either sports-related or series that revolve around a tournament setting (like, say, gadiators in a Roman collessium).
Imo it depends on the writing, plot can always be involved if the writer attempts to do something other than have a good way to showcase strength.
That was the best tournament arc ever made imo. The Naruto tournament arc in the beginning of the series was pretty fantastic as well, even if it was interrupted halfway through.
yeah. the dark tournament was the best tournament arc ever. i love kurama and yusuke's characters.
@RobbyBevard:
Oh hey! Panda Bear! When did you come back? You were missed and assumed gone forever.
Good to have your insights again.
I've been relatively active the past couple of weeks, although I've been sticking pretty much to the manga section, as ever. It's nice to see some posting from you, was missing a lot of the familiar faces from before.
And yeah, I come and go sometimes. That, and I had forgotten my user name and password for the longest time and couldn't be bothered to try to recover them, but let's pretend I didn't admit that.
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Anyway, so as not to be completely off topic:
I don't really have much more to add, but these later posts have just gone on to help illustrate my point. A tournament has its strengths and uses, but not, I think, anything that could not be better achieved in other ways.
Pausing for a moment from debating whether or not we want a tournament arc, shouldn't we be looking for evidence in the manga as to whether or not it will happen? Oda's making some pretty clear cut references to both characters and locations that certainly justify the existence of such a thing. You have to ask yourself why Oda would include them if he doesn't plan to use them.
for all we know, it might not really be a tournament but just a bullfighting challenge…LOL.
coliseum and tournament is automatic if doflamingo's lair is based on ancient rome.
but its based on basically, everything about spain. so it got me thinking there...will it really be a tournament arc?
Can't really see Oda pulling a tournament arc with Dressrosa. Would leave a real bad taste.
I already posted this, but in addition to us already having several tournament styled arcs, the Grand Line itself is a tournament.
Can't really see Oda pulling a tournament arc with Dressrosa. Would leave a real bad taste.
Reported for the sig.
Am I the only guy here confused why people are still arguing against this? Luffy's group on DR is full of brawlers and fighters. If you use your deduction skills, then you know with the fruit being given to the tournament master and Doffy wanting Luffy to notice it, coupled with this particular group of fighters, it is practically set in stone that the tournament (or colosseum) will happen.
DOES this mean it will be an arc all about the tournament? No, there are two other things going on. Law needs to deliver Caesar and the ship needs to be protected. The tournament is just one part of arc that more or less is only relevant to Luffy because he wants the fruit. "Tournament arc" isn't accurate at all.
Like I said in the other thread, this how I see the tournament happening.
Like some have said here, those card seat guys(Trebol, Daiment or whatever) probably have their own crewmates. So it will be:-
All 3 crewmates + Doflamingo crew vs Marines + Admiral vs Kinemo + Captured Samurai + StrawHeart pirates(Strawhat + heart pirates)on Dressrosa or green bit. This will also show us what the Strawhats are made of and maybe this fight will take place inside the colosseum and we get our free for all tournament.
if there would be a tournament, i can see it like…
luffy, zoro, sanji, kinemon, franky, law & ussop (they had been attacked at green bit and robin was held captive and ceasar was taken back) and brook (the ship had been attacked and momo was taken captive as well, while nami and chopper gone to zou to fetch the heart pirates)
vs.
the three seat holders and their crews.
while doflamingo is the ringmaster and his crew holds momo, kanjuuro and robin. this will give enough reason for the crew to fight in a tournament and stay in the rules.
not to mention that they need to steal back clown and ace's fruit.
*** of course the ladies wont get one-on-one fights most of the time.
but i cant see this mini-tournament as the end and be all of this arc.
so after luffy's team won the tournament (completely pissed at doflamingo for playing super dirty during the tournament, like using his ability)
it will be.
strawhats + heart pirates (with bepo, jambarl, sachi, penguin) and the samurais (kinemon, kanjuuro, momo)
vs.
doflamingo and his crew.
if there would be a tournament, i can see it like…
luffy, zoro, sanji, kinemon, franky, law & ussop (they had been attacked at green bit and robin was held captive and ceasar was taken back) and brook (the ship had been attacked and momo was taken captive as well, while nami and chopper gone to zou to fetch the heart pirates)
vs.
the three seat holders and their crews.
while doflamingo is the ringmaster and his crew holds momo, kanjuuro and robin. this will give enough reason for the crew to fight in a tournament and stay in the rules.
not to mention that they need to steal back clown and ace's fruit.
*** of course the ladies wont get one-on-one fights most of the time.
but i cant see this mini-tournament as the end and be all of this arc.
so after luffy's team won the tournament (completely pissed at doflamingo for playing super dirty during the tournament, like using his ability)
it will be.
strawhats + heart pirates (with bepo, jambarl, sachi, penguin) and the samurais (kinemon, kanjuuro, momo)
vs.
doflamingo and his crew.
lol another rescue arc for Robin huh? sigh
well,…lot of rescue arcs for nami as well...but done in different context and im sure momo would take "advantage" of that. with them being both held captive. LOL
thats one way to have robin significant but to spare the enemies of her hax fruit. if she gets loose, i bet you she will do something like "stopping doflamingo from using his hands." LOL
PLUS: she gets to fight after the tournament though, just not one-on-one.
I think that the blind guy is here for the tournament, or he is a bounty hunter.
IMHO, I don't see the blind guy as an admiral for several reasons:
1- He is playing the Roulette while he is on a mission and he cannot see at all.
2- He doesn't know Luffy's nor Law's places, so how come he is here?
3- He is on the playground of a former Shichibukai.
4- No one in the restaurant recognized him.
So, what I'm saying is that he's here for the tournament.