Bils leaves, asking if “there is anybody on Earth more worthy to destroy?” Will
Goku and the Z Warriors really be able to stop the God of Destruction?!
Gohan raises his hand.
Bils: "Anybody? No?"
Bils leaves, asking if “there is anybody on Earth more worthy to destroy?” Will
Goku and the Z Warriors really be able to stop the God of Destruction?!
Gohan raises his hand.
Bils: "Anybody? No?"
I'll wager it will be something in the vein of
"Everyone, Goku is down! Since the animators didn't bother creating opponents for us all, we're going to take turns getting beaten by the main villain, until Goku has gotten enough time to recover and assume the most commerciable form possible!
@The:
I'll wager it will be something in the vein of
"Everyone, Goku is down! Since the animators didn't bother creating opponents for us all, we're going to take turns getting beaten by the main villain, until Goku has gotten enough time to recover and assume the most commerciable form possible!
And then of course there's Tree of Might where they did have enough villains for everyone to fight, but then Goku beat all of them by himself anyway.
Big ultimate evil no one's heard of before
Has three main minions (pretty one, weird one, big tough stupid one)
Minions and ultimate evil beat everyone up
Goku uses Spirit Bomb
the end
Tree of Mights biggest creative streak was remembering the Great Ape plot point. Was this the last time it was used until GT?
Anyway, what are the odds for Finishing Move? Kamehameha, Genkidama, Dragon PAWNCH or the beat-yo-guts-out punch?
Sometimes… the characters do write themselves. The author has all the intention of making a plot go a certain way, and the characters will speak to them and say "Nope. Gotta be this way." May not be what the writer wanted... they make attempt to write a scene a dozen times and it doesn't work, because it's not true or right... until ultimately the character dictates the flow... and it is sometimes the opposite of what the writer wanted... but the characters can do that.
Its hard to explain, and sounds crazy, but it does happen. Especially with long running stories.
@The:
Anyway, what are the odds for Finishing Move? Kamehameha, Genkidama, Dragon PAWNCH or the beat-yo-guts-out punch?
One hit fist through the chest. Always a classic.
@The:
Yeah, Gokus got the fighter mentality down better than anyone.
Doesn't mean that Gohan didn't beat down Super Buu more decicively than anyone, and that Goku would have been annihilated by this Buu. He even said as much himself. So yeah, raw power DOES matter a great deal.
And yet he fails to win. All that power… Enough to kill Cell at any time... Enough to make fun of Buu... And he just fails.
Had been Goku with the same power or close to that power, facing the same enemies, and Goku would probably win. So yeah, power is a very important factor, but its not all. And Gohan is the perfect example of this.
@The:
Which is why I said "Gohan could've handled it had he been serious".
You can't have Whitebeard join the Straw Hat pirates and constantly bench him because he's a clumsy pacifist or whatever.
He was deadly serious against Buu (unlike how he was agaisnt Cell). He even said that he didn't want to beat Buu, he wanted to kill Buu, if memory serves (badass line and all). Still failed.
And he wasn't benched. He had a great role in the final arc and he was very important to that arc. And he also kicked some ass with his godly power. He just couldn't kill the enemy and be the main hero, even though he was the strongest.
Well, maybe it's just me, but I thought that at least since the Saiyan Saga, Dragonball was all about power.
Its the most important factor, but not all that matters. Dragon Ball has always been like that, ever since the first chapter.
Had been Goku with the same power or close to that power, facing the same enemies, and Goku would probably win.
Mr. "Here Piccollo, have a senzu" "Nappa killed four of my friends? Well, I beat him, take him home now" "Hey guys, let Vegeta live, I wanna fight him again some day" "Okay Ginyu Force, you guys can run now" "Okay Frieza, I'm giving you a third chance now…" "Okay Cell, you also have a senzu!" and "I can probably finish Buu off but I'll let the kids do it"?
Hfil, especially with the Ginu force, he VASTLY outpowered those guys and still let them cause trouble.
Had been Goku with the same power or close to that power, facing the same enemies, and Goku would probably win. So yeah, power is a very important factor, but its not all. And Gohan is the perfect example of this.
What makes you say this? What would Goku have done differently? And don't say he would've vaporized him on the spot, because Goku is not known for this.
He was deadly serious against Buu (unlike how he was agaisnt Cell). He even said that he didn't want to beat Buu, he wanted to kill Buu, if memory serves (badass line and all). Still failed.
Because Buu pulled a trick that no one could have seen coming. And, I don't know, maybe he was cocky for no reason too. I forget.
And he wasn't benched. He had a great role in the final arc and he was very important to that arc. And he also kicked some ass with his godly power. He just couldn't kill the enemy and be the main hero, even though he was the strongest.
Yes, like providing all that energy needed for Buu's awakening, or spending all that time training which didn't amount to anything aside from Buu absorbing his power, which made Goku and Vegeta have to permanently fuse except not because they separated in Buu's body and then Buu turned into - ah, fuck it.
And then he helped with the Genki Dama, which is the probably the most important thing he did in that arc that didn't come at his expense.
Its the most important factor, but not all that matters. Dragon Ball has always been like that, ever since the first chapter.
What makes you say this? What would Goku have done differently? And don't say he would've vaporized him on the spot, because Goku is not known for this.
Everything that Gohan did, only better. Maybe even that wouldn't be enough to kill Buu, but I'm not saying that he would definitely win.
@RobbyBevard:
Mr. "Here Piccollo, have a senzu" "Nappa killed four of my friends? Well, I beat him, take him home now" "Hey guys, let Vegeta live, I wanna fight him again some day" "Okay Ginyu Force, you guys can run now" "Okay Frieza, I'm giving you a third chance now…" "Okay Cell, you also have a senzu!" and "I can probably finish Buu off but I'll let the kids do it"?
Hfil, especially with the Ginu force, he VASTLY outpowered those guys and still let them cause trouble.
That's true, but unlike Gohan he comes through when its really needed and actually gets the job done.
Everything that Gohan did, only better. Maybe even that wouldn't be enough to kill Buu, but I'm not saying that he would definitely win.
That's true, but unlike Gohan he comes through when its really needed and actually gets the job done.
Wow. Thank you for your specific and well-thought-out insight into this subject.
That's true, but unlike Gohan he comes through when its really needed and actually gets the job done.
Cell .
@RobbyBevard:
Cell .
Still needed his dead father to beat Cell.
Still needed his dead father to beat Cell.
No, the point is that Goku couldn't beat Cell.
No, the point is that Goku couldn't beat Cell.
Of course, he wasn't powerful enough. Meanwhile, despite having the power, Gohan was toying way too much with Cell (actually almost taking pleasure in hurting Cell) and Goku was warning him that it would end up badly, which implies that he would take a somewhat different approach.
Wow. Thank you for your specific and well-thought-out insight into this subject.
Oh? You want me to figure out how many punches Goku would throw or something? Goku doesn't have different power abilities than Gohan, except the ability to teleport. Their difference is power, how well they use that power and how effective they are at winning.
Listen, the real reason why Goku succeeds and Gohan doesn't is basically plot convenience. He succeeds because the author wants him to. However, that is the OUT OF UNIVERSE answer. IN UNIVERSE he succeeds because he is simply better than Gohan at everything regarding fightning besides raw power (and sometimes luck).
Of course, he wasn't powerful enough. Meanwhile, despite having the power, Gohan was toying way too much with Cell (actually almost taking pleasure in hurting Cell) and Goku was warning him that it would end up badly, which implies that he would take a different approach.
Yes. Gohan got cocky and paid the price for it. You would think this incident would teach him to not do that in the future.
He did. He didn't act like that with Buu. He didn't lose to Buu because he was cocky.
Oh? You want me to figure out how many punches Goku would throw or something? Goku doesn't have different power abilities than Gohan, except the ability to teleport. Their difference is power, how well they use that power and how effective they are at winning.
No, but something more specific than "he'd do it better" would help. Like, would he somehow be able to stop Buu's absorption attack or find a way to beat Buu after he absorbed Gotenks and what in his nature would allow him to do this?
Listen, the real reason why Goku succeeds and Gohan doesn't is basically plot convenience. He succeeds because the author wants him to. However, that is the OUT OF UNIVERSE answer. IN UNIVERSE he succeeds because he is simply better than Gohan at everything regarding fightning besides raw power (and sometimes luck).
So you agree it's just lousy writing?
And Goku's fighting ability had nothing to do with beating Buu. First he fused with Vegeta, increasing his raw power, then for some reason he/they got the idea to enter Buu, then he got away with his teleportation technique and then he came up with a poorly-thought-out Genki Dama plan that could easily have failed (or Vegeta did. Whatever).
He did. He didn't act like that with Buu. He didn't lose to Buu because he was cocky.
Then why? Because Buu got the drop on Gotenks and then him?
Again, you're not giving me any real reason why, if Goku and Gohan's positions were reversed, Goku would succeed.
No, but something more specific than "he'd do it better" would help. Like, would he somehow be able to stop Buu's absorption attack or find a way to beat Buu after he absorbed Gotenks and what in his nature would allow him to do this?
The manga shows us consistently that Goku is much more effective than Gohan in winning agaisnt foes weaker, similar and even superior to himself (and that also use different tactics and techniques) and is, overall, a better fighter than Gohan in pretty much everything other than raw power.
Because of this, I state that if Goku had the same power as Gohan and if he faced the same opponents, following that same logic that is present within the manga, he would probably win. I'm not stating that he would definitely win, just that he would probably win, because the manga shows us that Goku is much more effective at doing so and is a better fighter.
You fail to understand this simple logic and you urge me to actually describe in detail how the fight would proceed with Goku.
…
Goku being a better fighter than Gohan, having better instincts than Gohan, having more experience than Gohan, having a much more impressive record of winning against foes with power similar to his own, doesn't convince you that Goku would be significantly much likely to succeed where Gohan failed?
Gohan, being stronger than Buu, already had good odds of winning... Goku in his place and with his power would have even significantly higher odds (following the logic within the manga) and, because of that, Goku would more likely win than lose.
Thus my statement of him "probably winning".
I don't think that what am saying is that hard to understand. I'm not speaking another language here. And I certainly don't think that I need to describe an entire hypothetical fight for you to understand what I'm saying.
So you agree it's just lousy writing?
And Goku's fighting ability had nothing to do with beating Buu. First he fused with Vegeta, increasing his raw power, then for some reason he/they got the idea to enter Buu, then he got away with his teleportation technique and then he came up with a poorly-thought-out Genki Dama plan that could easily have failed (or Vegeta did. Whatever).
No, Goku has been consistently written as being better than Gohan regarding fighting, except in raw power. That's not an indication of bad writing at all. I'm simply saying that at the end of the day, things are this way because the author wanted them this way. Gohan could have killed Buu, or the manga could have ended in the Cell arc but it didn't because the author didn't want to. That's also why Goku is different than Gohan, and why he does better than Gohan in fights. But IN UNIVERSE, there is a consistent reason for that, which is that he is simply better than Gohan in everything regarding fighting except raw power (and sometimes because of luck).
As for Goku fighting ability having nothing to do with beating Buu… I never said it did or that was the actual reason why they won. I'm simply comparing Goku to Gohan. Although, not everyone in DB actually has the skill to make a Genki Dama, you know?
Then why? Because Buu got the drop on Gotenks and then him?
Again, you're not giving me any real reason why, if Goku and Gohan's positions were reversed, Goku would succeed.
Yes, without absorption Buu wouldn't be able to beat Gohan, so obviously his defeat can be traced to his inability to prevent and/or react to Buu's tactics and to the fact that he gave him enough time and opportunity to come up with them and apply them.
No, I've given a real reason why, you just don't understand it or pretend to not understand. And I said that he would PROBABLY win, as in he would be more likely to win than lose, I didn't say that he WOULD win, so please don't put words in my mouth.
Goku toyed around with Frieza after he went Super and got all cocky about having crazy ammounts of power. And look how that turned out.
And he did so at LENGTH, (for what, an entire volume? 10-15 chapters? Including letting Frieza basically blow up the planet… AND letting him go to full power... Heck, Goku didn't even land the blow that won the fight, Frieza did it to himself.
And then he didn't even finish him off, Trunks did. After Frieza had a chance to destroy the earth and everyone on it.
Gohan doing the same with Cell is kind of... not as bad honestly. He destroyed the Cell Juniors pretty instantly and without any mercy. The n he and Cell traded a couple blows to prove Gohan could take his strongest punch, Gohan hit him hard... at which point Cell realized IMMEDIATLEY he was outclassed... then they traded kamehamehas... where Gohan was completely superior and had complete control of the fight. The "toying around" was only long enough for Cell to very quickly go to a buff form... a SINGLE exhange of attacks... and Gohan knocked Android 18 out of him. Gohan was in complete control of that fight, and it only lasted a few pages. Once Cell was downgraded any of the Saiyans or Piccollo could have beaten him... and had the fight won...
Of course, then Cell went nuclear and got a BS near-death Saiyan power up.
Goku toyed with Frieza... even after Frieza had already nuked the planet and killed his best friend (and Vegeta.. and nearly killed Gohan and Piccollo... and all the Nameks...) Let him go to full power despite the charge time, (Cell's power up was instant and he didn't beg for time) and never had such a huge dominant edge as a Super Saiyan. He was the stronger and didn't wear out, but he and Frieza were pretty even at that point... Gohan TOTALLY played with Cell without any trouble at all and pretty much didn't hold back... he just didn't send a second death beam out after his second attack. Whereas Goku and Frieza traded how many exchanges after Goku went Super? (and this is after they'd battled for an entire volume without Goku being Super... and all his friends for a volume before that.)
The Gohan/Cell fight after Gohan went Super 2 and before Cell went nuke was THREE attacks.
You want to assign blame, Goku gave Cell a damn senzu bean!
Or Vegeta, who HELPED him stall for time to reach his third form!
- The manga shows us consistently that Goku is much more effective than Gohan in winning agaisnt foes weaker, similar and even superior to himself (and that also use different tactics and techniques)
Could you list some examples?
and is, overall, a better fighter than Gohan in pretty much everything other than raw power.
No. Goku was always stronger than Gohan in terms of raw power before the Cell Saga.
- I state that, because of this, if Goku had the same power as Gohan and if he faced the same opponents, following that same logic that is present within the manga, he would probably win. I'm not stating that he would definitely win, just that he would probably win, because the manga shows us that Goku is much more effective at doing so and is a better fighter.
Goku always got by with power-ups or dumb luck or instantly trouncing the bad guys after weeks/months of training. His "fighting" and strategies had little if anything to do with it.
-Nappa he beat with ease after training in the afterlife
-With Vegeta, Kaio-ken didn't work, Genki Dama didn't work, and then he lucked out with Gohan turning into an Oozaru.
-With Frieza he had to turn SSJ and get a huge power boost before he could beat him
-Cell he couldn't beat
And Gohan was constantly pitted against people he was clearly weaker than. Plus, I cut him some slack because he was a kid.
Goku being a better fighter than Gohan, having better instincts than Gohan, having more experience than Gohan, having a much more impressive record of winning against foes with power similar to his own, doesn't convince you that Goku would be significantly much likely to succeed where Gohan failed?
Gohan, being stronger than Buu, already had good odds of winning… Goku in his place and with his power would have even significantly higher odds (following the logic within the manga) and, because of that, Goku would more likely win than lose.
Thus my statement of him "probably winning".
All right, yes. Your argument makes sense. If you have two people of equal strength, the one who is more experienced in fighting will most likely win the battle.
But it's not just fighting ability that comes into play. Goku also weaknesses a character. For example, he's a bit dimwitted and he doesn't usually finish off his opponents right away (with these two elements, I think it's very possible Buu could still employ his absorption. I mean, he still absorbed Gohan even though Goku was right there). He's also sometimes too merciful for his own good as seen with Frieza.
But I think this takes us to the heart of the matter is should Toriyama have attempted to have Gohan take over for Goku?
Well, me personally, I was keen on the idea. I thought the Cell battle was a great payoff for all the years of foreshadowing his hidden power and the constant trouncing that Gohan received from various baddies. And I liked Gohan as a character. I felt he was more human. He was meek, timid and thrown into this world he didn't understand, and living in the shadow of his father. But throughout all his journeys, he was brave, doing the things he was afraid to do and ultimately grew as a character. And then in the Cell Saga his true power was finally awoken and he surpassed his father, becoming the world's (and universe's) new champion. A passing of the torch, if you will. It's a timeless and very true-to-life theme.
I personally find the Buu arc really offensive because it throws all that out the window.
So, who knows? Maybe Toriyama should've just ended Dragon Ball after the Cell Saga. Or maybe Toriyama should have found a way to keep Gohan as the hero. Or maybe he shouldn't have made Gohan the hero at all. Or maybe there was just no way around it because Gohan "told" him that he wasn't supposed to be the hero (shame Gohan couldn't tell him that before Toriyama committed to it).
And no, of course Gohan doesn't have more fighting experience than his father. He never will, since Goku is older than him and is always training, even in the afterlife. But that's not the point. The point is that the story was supposed to become Gohan's. It was supposed to be his journey as the Earth's protector. He would fight with his own strengths and his own weaknesses and ultimately he would be the one to vanquish evil.
But again, I guess that's just something that shouldn't have happened since, according to Toriyama, he didn't work as a protagonist. But that doesn't mean it's okay for him to backtrack that entire theme, especially in such a rushed and contrived fashion. This is why the Buu arc totally fails on the protagonist front.
all I want is the minons to come back so everybody can have a fight like in the first 4 movies
Dragonball should have ended on the Namek arc not cell, the Cell arc is an awful convoluted mess, with the only good thing in it was Vegeta's showcasing humanity when Cell killed Trunks.
Awful arc.
I really liked Gohan's character. He was different enough from Goku to start his own arc to continue the manga without his father (probably should've just left Goku dead after the Cell arc or heck, even back at Namek).
Then why? Because Buu got the drop on Gotenks and then him?
Again, you're not giving me any real reason why, if Goku and Gohan's positions were reversed, Goku would succeed.
If I remember correctly, Goten and Trunks got up and distracted Gohan from finishing the job.
Then fused. Then got absorbed.
Not really his fault.
Besides, it would've been anti-climatic if Buu had died there. The same reason why Krillin's kienzan NEVER "hit". For writing purposes, it's a move that could NEVER hit.
I suppose AT could've gave krillin some fodder to hit with it…
Krillin did manage to get one it with the kienzan.
He chopped Frieza's tail after being impaled. But Frieza re-grew it when he transformed again.
Goku kind of confused me during the Cell games and buu saga. His whole mantra is about fighting strong opponents and bettering himself in combat, yet fighting cell and Buu didn't excite him at all. Well in a sense that he had not drive to win against them.
Actually it seems more like he does whatever is interesting to him, so you could say watching his kids beat up people entertains him just as much, if not more.
That… and apparently showing off his giant raddish garden.
Funny thing is, back when he was a kid he wasn't that merciful.
Monster Buyon (or Buyan, or Bayon, or watheverthefuck) got blasted to pieces by Goku's Kamehameha right after being completely frozen.
A talking octopus got fried alive by a Kamehameha and then eaten by Goku.
Also, he killed Commander Black, though I don't remember how exactly (did he kick a missile back to him, or was it a Kamehameha?).
And Papa Piccolo wasn't pitied in the slightest when Goku blew a hole through him.
Nor did Tambourine.
I guess Piccolo Jr. got on Gokus soft side, and from then on he became the so-called "pure hearted warrior".
But before that? Nope, he wasn't. Which brings me to my second point: he should've died by Akuman's beam. No fucking way on Earth Goku was 100% pure hearted back then.
He's not really merciful, he just doesn't want to bother. "Go home, you're weak and boring."
Funny thing is, back when he was a kid he wasn't that merciful.
Monster Buyon (or Buyan, or Bayon, or watheverthefuck) got blasted to pieces by Goku's Kamehameha right after being completely frozen.
A talking octopus got fried alive by a Kamehameha and then eaten by Goku.
Also, he killed Commander Black, though I don't remember how exactly (did he kick a missile back to him, or was it a Kamehameha?).
And Papa Piccolo wasn't pitied in the slightest when Goku blew a hole through him.
Nor did Tambourine.
I guess Piccolo Jr. got on Gokus soft side, and from then on he became the so-called "pure hearted warrior".
But before that? Nope, he wasn't. Which brings me to my second point: he should've died by Akuman's beam. No fucking way on Earth Goku was 100% pure hearted back then.
I think you're taking the "pure of heart" thing in a moral sense, but rather, Goku meant no malice by anything he did.
And a great deal of the kills he did just… "happened". Black for example, he only thought of beating Black, but Black was in a robot, an explosion happened.
He even goes as far to even tell the Crane Hermit that he didn't want to kill Tao Pai Pai, despite him killing (indian boy's dad).
As for the monsters... I'm pretty sure he thought monster = bad guy.
About Piccolo Jr., He wasn't even close to as evil as his father was. Keep in mind King Piccolo killed any opposing threat outright, Jr joined a tournament and for some odd reason didn't kill a single opponent.
tl;dr Goku has no "ill-intentions" in his actions despite what moral conflicts may be involved. So he's pure of heart.
Keep in mind, the cloud used to work for Roshi until he made that shady deal with Bulma.
I think you're taking the "pure of heart" thing in a moral sense, but rather, Goku meant no malice by anything he did.
And a great deal of the kills he did just… "happened". Black for example, he only thought of beating Black, but Black was in a robot, an explosion happened.
He even goes as far to even tell the Crane Hermit that he didn't want to kill Tao Pai Pai, despite him killing (indian boy's dad).
As for the monsters... I'm pretty sure he thought monster = bad guy.
About Piccolo Jr., He wasn't even close to as evil as his father was. Keep in mind King Piccolo killed any opposing threat outright, Jr joined a tournament and for some odd reason didn't kill a single opponent.
tl;dr Goku has no "ill-intentions" in his actions despite what moral conflicts may be involved. So he's pure of heart.
Keep in mind, the cloud used to work for Roshi until he made that shady deal with Bulma.
Well, killing is killing. In One Piece, we could say Luffy has never killed anyone. Goku, on the other hand, has killed quite a few.
Maybe that has nothing to do with being "pure of heart", but, if you can actualy avoid killing someone, guess you'd do it. And that's what Goku consciously does during the entirety of Dragon Ball Z, to the point of wishing for Buu's resurrection. And that's what makes Vegeta call him a fake Saiyan all the time.
But I get the impression that he wasn't as aware of his "killings" during early Dragon Ball.
I really think Goku meant to kill those monsters. (We saw from chapter 1 just how Goku felt about monsters, he tried to kill Bulma immediately because he thought she was a witch who summoned a monster)
Probably from the stigma that monster = bad.
The people he killed in the RRR? Probably not.
The reason I'm saying that "pure of heart" in the manga means incorruptible is because there's… really no other definition that fits Goku that works.
Official Trailer Airs on Fuji TV
Wait, was that Emperor Pilaf? Sheeit.
Wait, was that Emperor Pilaf? Sheeit.
Dragon ball gt is becoming cannon:ninja:
perpare ourselves these guys are coming back.
I didn't see any GT characters in that trailer…....
I didn't see any GT characters in that trailer…....
Yes but who did start the search of the dragon balls in gt and kid goku?
I didn't see any GT characters in that trailer…....
He's talking about the first episode of GT, Pilaf wishes Goku into the kid (after he wasn't seen in god knows how long?)
That was the joke.
Oh well yeah that is how GT started isn't it. I just tend to think of it as some AU where Goku is a kid again because of fun
Oh well yeah that is how GT started isn't it. I just tend to think of it as some AU where Goku is a kid again because of fun
Well.. that's one way to ignore the giant gaping plot hole at the beginning of the series..
Lol @ the notion of GT ever being considered canon.
Dragon ball gt is becoming cannon:ninja:
perpare ourselves these guys are coming back.
http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/9179/dragonballgtdanceandatt.jpg
NO00OOoooO..!!
As terrible as they were, they made me laugh too hard.
How is Pilaf even alive… he wasn't supposed to be revived, since only the good guys were asked to by revived.
Maybe he was so terrible at being evil that the dragon didn't consider him evil?
Maybe he was so terrible at being evil that the dragon didn't consider him evil?
Well apparently the wish was to bring everyone except for the "really evil" ones. So I guess you're right.
Hey, my translations from the Kanzenshuu forums made it over here, too!
(But as much as I like the exposure for accurate translations, I'd like it even better if you mentioned where you got them from.)
Incidentally, I
on Twitter about the name puns, and he burst my bubble about alcohol. Somebody else suggested that they're based on different katakana spellings of the word "virus", but he hasn't responded to that one.So any translation for the info on the characters?
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The first image, with the poster, has text around the outside that reads:
”Z”の常識を破る破壊神、降臨!!
A God of Destruction who Violates the Common Sense of "Z" Descends!!
[n.b. I'm not sure whether this is supposed to be an in-universe statement, or directed at what the fans take for granted about the series. It could be both, I suppose.]There's also a blurb that reads:
キービジュアル公開!! コイツが破壊神ビルスだ!!
Key visuals revealed!! This is the god of destruction, Bils!!Apart from that, the poster is the same except for some minor background differences (such as Yamcha's positioning) and a credit to Akira Toriyama for the Story and Character Designs. Whoever leaked the original image must have had access to the work-in-progress at some stage.
The blurb here says:
劇場版新キャラクター ビルス&ウイス!!
New Movie Characters: Bils & Whisウイス
声優:森田成一
Whis
Voice Actor: Masakazu Morita破壊神ビルス
声優:山寺宏一
God of Destruction, Bils
Voice Actor: Kōichi YamaderaThe term 破壊神 (hakaishin, meaning "God of Destruction") appears to be an actual title of some sort for Bils, as it's included in the box next to him that contains his name. As for my choice of name spellings, ウイス is the first three characters in ウイスキー ("whiskey"), while ビルス could be modified from ピルス ("pils", a.k.a. "pilsner", a kind of beer). I have no idea if that's anywhere near the mark, but the logic seems sound and that's what I'm going to go with for the sake of argument until I can think of something better. Japanese fans also seem to be in agreement, based on the 2ch thread and blog posts in Japanese.
Masakazu Morita previously played Tarble in the 2008 Jump Super Anime Tour special, Heya! Son Goku and Friends Return. Kōichi Yamadera, meanwhile, had subbed for Hirotaka Suzuoki as Tenshinhan in Dragon Ball Z episodes 82 and 84, back in 1991.
Incidentally, with Kōichi Yamadera playing cat-guy, I can't help but imagine him speaking in a thick Tōhoku dialect and singing his own praises. I think I've been watching more Anpanman with my daughter than is necessarily healthy.
–- Update From New Post Merge ---
The first image, with the poster, has text around the outside that reads:
”Z”の常識を破る破壊神、降臨!!
A God of Destruction who Violates the Common Sense of "Z" Descends!!
[n.b. I'm not sure whether this is supposed to be an in-universe statement, or directed at what the fans take for granted about the series. It could be both, I suppose.]There's also a blurb that reads:
キービジュアル公開!! コイツが破壊神ビルスだ!!
Key visuals revealed!! This is the god of destruction, Bils!!Apart from that, the poster is the same except for some minor background differences (such as Yamcha's positioning) and a credit to Akira Toriyama for the Story and Character Designs. Whoever leaked the original image must have had access to the work-in-progress at some stage.
The blurb here says:
劇場版新キャラクター ビルス&ウイス!!
New Movie Characters: Bils & Whisウイス
声優:森田成一
Whis
Voice Actor: Masakazu Morita破壊神ビルス
声優:山寺宏一
God of Destruction, Bils
Voice Actor: Kōichi YamaderaThe term 破壊神 (hakaishin, meaning "God of Destruction") appears to be an actual title of some sort for Bils, as it's included in the box next to him that contains his name. As for my choice of name spellings, ウイス is the first three characters in ウイスキー ("whiskey"), while ビルス could be modified from ピルス ("pils", a.k.a. "pilsner", a kind of beer). I have no idea if that's anywhere near the mark, but the logic seems sound and that's what I'm going to go with for the sake of argument until I can think of something better. Japanese fans also seem to be in agreement, based on the 2ch thread and blog posts in Japanese.
Masakazu Morita previously played Tarble in the 2008 Jump Super Anime Tour special, Heya! Son Goku and Friends Return. Kōichi Yamadera, meanwhile, had subbed for Hirotaka Suzuoki as Tenshinhan in Dragon Ball Z episodes 82 and 84, back in 1991.
Incidentally, with Kōichi Yamadera playing cat-guy, I can't help but imagine him speaking in a thick Tōhoku dialect and singing his own praises. I think I've been watching more Anpanman with my daughter than is necessarily healthy.
Also, beware of the site referenced in this post:
@JinbeiKun:
Story Revealed: A summary of the summary is Bils awakens from sleep and decides to fight Goku. Goku loses and the Z Warriors must find a way to win. I am unimpressed :blink:
**[here]New art: Looks pretty good, imo.
[links removed]Staff List: Eyerybody you'd expect. Most from Dragon Ball Kai or DBZ. Some have One Piece experience.](here]
[b]New art:[/b] Looks pretty good, imo.
[b][links removed][/b][b]Staff List:[/b] Eyerybody you'd expect. Most from Dragon Ball Kai or DBZ. Some have One Piece experience.
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All they do is reword our news updates (often getting some of the details wrong), then spread them far and wide, mistakes and all. We're all for the information getting out there, but we want it to be accurate, and we would like a little bit of credit for doing the actual work in translating and URL-guessing.Maybe all this means is that I should be more active over here on Arlong Park, but there are only so many hours in the day. :getlost:](here]
All they do is reword our news updates (often getting some of the details wrong), then spread them far and wide, mistakes and all. We're all for the information getting out there, but we want it to be accurate, and we would like a little bit of credit for doing the actual work in translating and URL-guessing.Maybe all this means is that I should be more active over here on Arlong Park, but there are only so many hours in the day. :getlost:)****
Anyone seen this?