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@Devil:
Naw, it's got nothing to do. For example, he defeated Daz Bones with Ittoryu too. Using less swords doesn't make your attacks any weaker.
Well I can't argue that completely. But I do think when he uses multiple swords the power increases, like when he used nitouryuu. http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_piece/v39/c371/8.html
But I also think his individual swords are at different levels. Like how the Wado didn't break under Mihawk's attacks. Or how he mentioned he hadn't gotten a hang of the sword from Ryuuma during thriller bark, but now he's able to use its power effectively and precisely.
Didn't he waste a shitload of time by refusing to… Y'know, defeat Monet immediately?
Well maybe it was like how one treats a fly. You first ignore it (hope that it goes away), swing at it idly; and then when it gets really annoying, you get the swatter and get rid of it for good. You don't want to waste your time with it, but you have to take care of it eventually.
I don't think Monet is dead, even if she's KOd, we will see her again. Great chapter!
-The not hitting women thing is brought up, yay. If he doesn't have anything against hitting women, why didn't he just finish her off? We even see that he cut monet on the cheek.
Personally I feel like he was testing Tashigi, hence why he let her fight Monet and he called her below him in the last page. But then Tashigi just ended up finishing her up, so we don't exactly know whether Zoro would've finished her or not, even if he says he would've.
-Monet was a really good character, there might have been another chapter/half chapter of fighting her, but this isn't too bad considering, this is just the first island of the NW. The FI fights were like a few panels, this one was 2 chapters. Good enough.
-I like that the training of the Strawhats was brought up.
Not much else to say, very well-drawn fight chapter.
Also it seemed like she got in a surprise attack before he figured she was a Logia.l
Once she got that shot in he should've realized that this isn't a game and ended it.
As he showed he could've defeated her instantly he just choose not to
Meaning that he put Robin through a stabbing needlessly. Making him a complete ass
Wait, wasn't her attack on Robin a surprise attack? Monet wasn't even IN the battle when that happened. So yeah, your argument of "Monet should've been defeated before she could pose any danger to the crew" doesn't hold any ground. She wasn't even battling back then. It was AFTER she attacked Robin that Zoro took notice of her, shouted "She's a logia, let me handle!" and started the fight.
Also, to all the people riding the sexist train: He wasn't. So he didn't attack Monet from the start because she was a woman and Zoro considers defeating, or rather, cutting, women something against his principles? That's a load of bullcrap. The whole panel showing him slashing Monet's cheek and then later dissecting her into two halves scream - He WILL cut you down if he needs to; regardless of your gender. He just didn't feel he needed to go all out on Monet from the very beginning as she was never considered a worthy opponent by him. As for people who are going by Tashigi's "You look down on women" comment, just read the chapter again. Zoro doesn't say anything. But the reaction on his face says it. He doesn't give two flying fucks about Tashigi's allegation. Because he knows that isn't the case. That's all in Tashigi's mind. You all read the surface. Learn to read between the lines, people! Tashigi saying something doesn't mean it is to be taken at face value.
That aside, I'll agree that the chapter was a bit on the ambiguous side. But Oda will probably make it clear at a later point of time. Not saying I'm not satisfied as is, though. Seriously, I thought most of One Piece fans were grown ups capable of thinking and forming opinions based on what they see in the panels and were capable of getting hints, if not knowing completely, what a character is thinking based on the emotions on that particular character's face. But that doesn't seem to be the case here, after all. :(
Also, pardon me if I made any error in this post. English ain't my first language..
Edit: Just look at the pic MasterKingJC provided. Like I said, just give yourself some time and read it through again to see if you could get a better grasp of the chapter. I'm sure you'll have a much better opinion once you've done it more than once. ;O
I'd love to know how Tashigi is so "weak" and "worthless" when she delivered the final blow to Monet.
Seeing how that final blow was delivered to the back of an opponent that was irrational after being so utterly intimidated I'd say no, it don't count. Or you are going to tell me that in a bar fight the guy that stabs a confused drunk in the back was totally dominating the situation and showed how powerful he was?
Damn it, Caribou escaped! ….does that mean the theory of him spilling the beans about Shirahoshi being a weapon to the Marines is now moot?
Well.....last chapter, I looked forward to Zoro and Tashigi teaming up to beat Monet. Did it hold up?
PROS:
-Oda reminded the readers of the rivalry between Zoro and Tashigi. It's been long since they interacted, and the whole "sexism" cry of the last thread made me glad that Oda REMINDED everyone Zoro didn't beat Tashigi because she looked like Kuina, and nothing else.
-Zoro and Tashigi had the same goal, to let their allies escape. They've got a lot in common then they think.
-Monet continues to be a formidable threat.....er....kinda.
-Zoro and Tashigi both contributed to defeating Monet.
-I'm also glad Oda didn't have Zoro use Kinemon's fire move. It would've been cool, but at the same time, kind of an asspull. Maybe it contributes better to Jabra's theory that Zoro will express desire to the others to go to Wano, to learn the technique there.
CONS:
-I'm a little miffed Zoro just stood on the sidelines for most of the chapter. I get his only goal was to make sure the Straw Hats got away fine....but still, I wanted him to do more and fight with Tashigi.
-Tashigi fought, but she seemed a little helpless. Still, she took a Monet biting (that resembled Hodi for a panel) head-on, which dismembered a fellow Marine.
-Monet got nerfed, in my opinion. She was in control until Zoro stopped screwing around and used his attack. Then she lost, badly.
-This battle was the only thing that happened in the chapter. No Luffy and Momonosuke, no Franky, no Smoker vs. Vergo, nothing else. I didn't like that too much.
So in the end, I wasn't 100% sold on the chapter. I appreciated parts of it, but it was underwhelming and I disliked other aspects. Guess Oda realized he had to speed things up and had Monet lose here. Her hype train has derailed......lucky for her, it didn't happen in the tournament.
But we still don't have a fight for Robin or Nami yet! ....unless Monet recovers and hunts the others down in revenge, but I don't see that happening.
And no, I'm not crying "Oda is sexist!!!" here. I refuse to.
@[B:
TheCrystalShip;2729920] Didn't he waste a shitload of time by refusing to… Y'know, defeat Monet immediately?
Well maybe it was like how one treats a fly. You first ignore it (hope that it goes away), swing at it idly; and then when it gets really annoying, you get the swatter and get rid of it for good. You don't want to waste your time with it, but you have to take care of it eventually.
You mean, for example, like the fight he had with mihawk at the Baratie.
Mihawk didn't just crush Zoro when, lets face it, he could've just one shotted him easily at the time.
Looking forward to the mangastream translation at least. I mean the chapter looked cool, Tashigi/Zoro interaction was fun and G5/Sanji stuff too, but the Zoro stuff is really freaking confusing. I mean he cut Monet, that small cut on her cheek, he obviously has no problem with cutting women.
Why didn't he actually finish her off? It's kinda wierd, but I don't see it as rage-worthy as some of you here. Just to have Tashigi randomly finally have a named attack? That's the biggest problem for me here and I doubt we'll have more on that fight. Monet was hyped up here because she's smart and has cool techniques and is a logia, but she herself said she would not be able to stand a chance against Zoro, so it makes sense that she went down, at least.
I don't think there were any issues in this chapter about Zoro fighting a woman at all. I think Tashigi might have come up with that impression (due to that unusual flashback). However, I think it is more like Zoro is not inclined to fighting this particular character (doesn't matter about gender) due to her strength.
Sorry but, from my point of view, it was part of the chapter. Even more since Sanji started the chapter saying "Surprisingly, Zoro has a soft side, but in the end he'll do what he has to do", or something along the lines. A soft side, for who? Sanji kept taking about how HE would never kick a woman, ever. Of course it's all related. He's talking about Zoro having a soft side when it refers to women. If that's not the case, then that was weirdly written to say the least.
Also, the whole point was that Monet thought Zoro would NOT fight a woman, and in the end, he did, but first stating "there are things I don't want to cut, but if I have to, I'll do". He's talking about cutting women, right? Again, if that's not the case, this is also weirdly written, to say the least.
Again, I think Oda did want to make some kind of statement about Zoro being able to cut a woman if needed to, and maybe in Japan this is not typical, I don't really know, a japanese should answer that. It's true that in the Shounen world a guy hitting HARD a woman is not that typical. The image we got of Vergo backfisting Tashigi in the face with full force and the panel where she is spiting blood was surprisingly brutal, and I thought Oda would not hide from doing that in the future. But, well. . .
I have some hope that the three eyed awesome looking girls under Big Mam is the 2nd in command. As a second in command, I hope she fights Zoro. THEN, we'll see if he fights seriously from the very beginning against a woman if there's a need to. . .
Sorry but, from my point of view, it was part of the chapter. Even more since Sanji started the chapter saying "Surprisingly, Zoro has a soft side, but in the end he'll do what he has to do", or something along the lines. A soft side, for who? Sanji kept taking about how HE would never kick a woman, ever. Of course it's all related. He's talking about Zoro having a soft side when it refers to women. If that's not the case, then that was weirdly written to say the least.
Also, the whole point was that Monet thought Zoro would NOT fight a woman, and in the end, he did, but first stating "there are things I don't want to cut, but if I have to, I'll do". He's talking about cutting women, right? Again, if that's not the case, this is also weirdly written, to say the least.
Again, I think Oda did want to make some kind of statement about Zoro being able to cut a woman if needed to, and maybe in Japan this is not typical, I don't really know, a japanese should answer that. It's true that in the Shounen world a guy hitting HARD a woman is not that typical. The image we got of Vergo backfisting Tashigi in the face with full force and the panel where she is spiting blood was surprisingly brutal, and I thought Oda would not hide from doing that in the future. But, well. . .
I have some hope that the three eyed awesome looking girls under Big Mam is the 2nd in command. As a second in command, I hope she fights Zoro. THEN, we'll see if he fights seriously from the very beginning against a woman if there's a need to. . .
You do realize you're basing all of your argument on mangapanda translations right? I think you should wait for CCC's translation at least before passing final judgement.
Personally, I feel rather than women, he's talking about weak people (irrespective of sex).
So Zoro's fighting personality is he's a wild animal?
I guess I can believe this, and consider as well him being a mother animal protecting his cubs if situation arrives too.
When his crewmates are in Danger he will do anything, cut down anyone and so on to protect the Strawhats, like a mother Wolf protecting her young. Otherwise he is more of a lone Wolf that if you scare off initially he will leave you be, but if you don't then your gonna die.
Not sure exactly when this was cemented in Oda's mind as his personality, but I can see it fitting most the series. Even back on Miss Monday times, this situation he was basically the mother Wolf, protecting his young. The rest of the crew was KO'd due to alcohol and food and so he had to protect them while they slept. Thus his relentlessness against EVERYONE. Now on to the rest of the first half of the grand line. Every fight was a struggle, he never overpowered anyone and had to fight to the death, also his oppenents were relentless as well. If he turned his back on Baroque Works or CP9, for example, he would have been killed.
Now on to the New World. Starting at Fishman Island. He clearly was superior to Hyouzou and showed this by cutting every one of his swords in half lengthwise and at the base. Then Zoro started to leave, just like he did this chapter with Monet. BUT Hyouzou got infuriated just like Monet and attacked him still. Thus Zoro cut him down. I assume he would have done the same this chapter, but Tashigi did it first.
THE ONLY PROBLEM I HAVE is not with this fighting identity that Oda has set up, its that at the moment its very hard to not see sexism because of what Tashigi did. If only someone else would have cut down Hanzo, or else Zoro also cut down Monet, it would all have been fine. Reading posts up to page 6, it seems a lot of people are screaming sexism and thats annoying. Oh well, I have my take on it. What anyone else thinks shouldn't bother me.
The translation seems off but for the most part this chapter is fantastic.
Zoro's objective was simply blocking Monet from chasing after the group he said it himself. He knows he's far superior than Monet so he doesn't feel the need to cut her down immediately. I mean for god sake he's MIHAWK's apprentice.
So weaker opponent + woman = no going all out to kill her.
The reason he made a move was because of Tagashi. She put herself in a position where Zoro had to intervene. He still doesn't kill her but uses some form of Haki to stun Logia user from being able to reform. THAT is pretty cool.
other than that, brace yourselves, the doujins are coming D:
I'm…mixed on this chapter.
I don't find it sexist, really, but I found Zoro's attitude a little confusing after looking back on it. It's clear he wanted to stall Monet rather than actually hurt her if he could, but then he clearly showed that he was willing to cut her anyway. I understand that he would have a bit of an aversion to cutting women (though people said this wasn't honoring Kuina's memory, Zoro may not actually be aware of that, and the fact that Kuina died not long after their promise may have affected his attitude towards women anyway), and I was fine with how he handled it in the end, but I get the feeling that he could have ended this much sooner. I wouldn't have minded as much if he still had to struggle a bit against Monet, or at least clashed with her a little more before the end, but him just oneshotting her felt kind of odd to me.
I was actually fine with Zoro staying back and letting Tashigi try and fight. I thought it was his way of acknowledging her, while still showing that he was better than her (which he clearly wants to show, due to his past with Kuina). Tashigi losing but still getting the finishing blow was good, but handled kind of weird. I think it would have been better if Zoro's attack didn't initially seem to finish Monet off, and simply left her open for Tashigi to beat her, I feel. It would've helped in making them both look good, but instead it came across like Zoro didn't really need Tashigi's help at all, which really downplayed her usefulness...again.
On the plus side, the artwork and action was very well done, and I liked a lot of the ideas in this chapter. It was mostly the execution of those ideas that felt off to me.
Definitely not one of the better chapters this arc, though I don't find it anywhere near as awful as some people are saying. It was mostly just mishandled, really. I was okay with it overall.
Once she got that shot in he should've realized that this isn't a game and ended it.
Robin wasn't fatally wounded. She even got back up and got in a blocking attack to help Nami. And Monet disappeared on him a couple of times to purposely target the others. All Zoro wanted to do was prevent her from following Robin Nami and Chopper. She's not a swordsman nor was she considered strong enough to make him want to go all out. Zoro isn't above toying with enemies even in a time crunch. He did what he said he was gonna do, which was prevent her from following the others so they could do what they wanted. He was the only one with Haki around that could slow her down.
Besides how many people would be screeching bullshit if he was able to drop her with only a portion of a chapter of her arrival And Tashigi got to do absolutely nothing? With these couple of chapters we get to see Monet actually fight, see Tashigi's progress, and Zoro intimidate a Logia to the point she couldn't form properly. I think this is a much better outcome than a 1 HKO shown on one page.
Zoro was my favorite character before. But after Whiskey peak my interest start to vanish little by little,especially with new Straw hats with better back stories and quirks.I only like him in Thriller Bark and Sabaody after that ( because he did something beside ''cool stuff'' )
There is nothing funny,dramatic or interesting to support the ''coolness".He is just ''cool" now. Especially after the timeskip.
And he is like cool in your face - "hey bitches,I just one shot logia,cool right?''
Meh.One good character needs more than that.
But yeah,he is cool.
Besides how many people would be screeching bullshit if he was able to drop her with only a portion of a chapter of her arrival And Tashigi got to do absolutely nothing? With these couple of chapters we get to see Monet actually fight, see Tashigi's progress, and Zoro intimidate a Logia to the point she couldn't form properly. I think this is a much better outcome than a 1 HKO shown on one page.
Thank you! My thoughts exactly.
With these couple of chapters we get to see Monet actually fight, see Tashigi's progress, and Zoro intimidate a Logia to the point she couldn't form properly. I think this is a much better outcome than a 1 HKO shown on one page.
True. Within my complaints and 50/50 attitude for this chapter…...I can't deny what transpired has positives. Like these.
Zoro stalls against Monet. People complain.
Zoro lets Tashigi fight Monet. People complain.
And if Zoro had finished Monet quickly with one move, you KNOW that people would have complained.
Oda can't please everybody.
Do you guys think Monet died?
Badly.
I'm not giving my final judgement yet, but this was by far the worst chapter I have read in a while. Really felt like someone else created it. Anyone but Oda.
And sorry, Zoro demonstrating strength isn't enough to win me over. Especially when it feels so forced.
Zoro stalls against Monet. People complain.
Zoro lets Tashigi fight Monet. People complain.
And if Zoro had finished Monet quickly with one move, you KNOW that people would have complained.
Oda can't please everybody.
Honestly, I think he WOULD have pleased more people if Zoro had struggled against Monet more than what was shown.
It came across like some of the good aspects that were mentioned (Monet fighting, seeing Tashigi's progress) didn't even need to happen logically. I'm glad they WERE included, but this chapter also showed that Zoro could have intimidated and defeated Monet immediately if he really wanted to. It wouldn't have been satisfying at all, no, but it would have made more sense, going by the info presented in this chapter.
Mind you, I'm actually fairly okay with this chapter, but I definitely see why people are pissed about it.
Observing Zoro's actions this chapter seems on the surface that he acted out of character. I think otherwise, and it only takes a little bit of analysis to see why. We see Zoro on the surface having a slight soft side for going against women, but he later cuts her beautiful face, and proceeds to slice her in half, only to find out later that he didn't use Haki, which would have killed her instantly if he did. Personally, that would have been a bit too dark if he did kill her in that manner. We should remember though that at Whiskey Peak(?) he beat up a woman. But we do see a softer side much later on, when Enel shocked Robin, in which Zoro responded, "She's a woman." And this is still at a point where Zoro was cautious of Robin being on the crew. So what's really going on? Does Zoro have a soft side towards fighting women?
While I don't think Oda wastes lines, his point being that if Tashigi didn't slice her near the last page, Zoro would have done it, is something to keep in mind. If Tashigi wasn't present, Zoro would have destroyed her alone. In general, if Zoro doesn't feel that an opponent is worth fighting, he will not proceed to pound his opponent into the ground. It's possible that it's due to his swordsman pride, who knows. There is evidence of this when Zoro fought the Hyouzou, the octopus-fishman. He won't go a step further if he see's no point, but if there is additional fighting to be had, he will strike back.
In this chapter Oda is pointing out that Zoro is not reluctant in reality fighting women, as much as we may have been led to believe. He only showed such a side with Tashigi alone (future fight challenges as the exception), which only illustrates that he has a special growing bond with her (for reasons we should know already). And it was shown, when he basically protected her from having her shoulder bitten off.
So basically, those who find this scene being a problem, are those of you that want to believe Monet was actually a large threat, which in the end she wasn't, even as a logia. And here I mean against Zoro. After-all, Monet confessed that she would lose against Luffy, but we also know that Luffy and Zoro are almost always very close to each other in terms of strength. I don't think I need to pinpoint parts of the manga to prove that point.
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That being said, I think the fact that Zoro could have CoC haki coming about in the way he fights is an interesting theory for now. If that's not the case, it must be his ability to manifest his frightening aura to paralyze his opponents as being just as useful as a technique in the future.
Zoro stalls against Monet. People complain.
Zoro lets Tashigi fight Monet. People complain.
And if Zoro had finished Monet quickly with one move, you KNOW that people would have complained.
Oda can't please everybody.
Well if Sanji would have done it, it would bring even more complain
Honestly, I think he WOULD have pleased more people if Zoro had struggled against Monet more than what was shown.
If Zoro struggled against an opponent this early in the New World, there still would have been a lot of people complaining.
If Zoro struggled against an opponent this early in the New World, there still would have been a lot of people complaining.
Yeah, and now people are complaining that the SH have it too easy.
Can't please everyone.
Well if Sanji would have done it, it would bring even more complain
Wait, if Sanji had actually decided to reject his kishido bullshit and fight a woman, people would have COMPLAINED?
@Rune.:
Hi All,
Long time reader, with very few posts (please be gentle haha).
I rather liked this chapter, to me it demonstrated Zoro's maturity. As for the hate, some have already pointed out
1. has he ever killed anyone?
2. Monet is not a sword user
Zoro's primary goal is still the same, to be the greatest swordsman (which means his interests in fights belong with those that he considers
to be strong swordsmen/women.)
Zoro stayed behing to stop Monet from chasing/harming members of the crew (bc he was the only one in that group who knew how to use Haki), not to kill her.
Monet also acknowledged the difference in strength, but assumed like Tashigi did that he would not strike a woman.
I think Zoro initiated his attack with Haki, which caused Monet to freeze up with fear (as she could sense the haki?),
and in that split second of her freezing, he realized she wouldn't be able to block or escape (so he removed the Haki from his attack). From my view point,
in all past chapters (Zoro has not killed anyone) Zoro only uses killing techs against formidable ops who have the ability to kill him. Usually meaning that
they can also dodge or block the lethal blow from Zoro. Even when it hits, his lethal strikes have not killed anyone. I truly believe he would have followed
through with his Haki attack if he thought Monet could survive it.
As for Tashigi, she was able to fight almost evenly with a Logia (this is no easy feat, and she deserves credit for her growth as well. Even if its not the growth
that most would expect).
All in all, I think this was a very good chapter and I am thoroughly enjoying this arc.
Welcome. I think that's a good point many are missing. She fought evenly with A LOGIA something Zoro couldn't do before the time skip and someone who was especially tricky even for someone like Luffy. Look how easily Caribou was taken out as a logia, he barely showed any tricks when compared with Monet.
Well if Sanji would have done it, it would bring even more complain
Well, I personally wouldn't mind if Sanji did harm a female enemy, but that's never going to happen…
! Unless we get Okama Sanji. :ninja:
Well if Sanji would have done it, it would bring even more complain
Except we know with Sanji that what's always going to happen against a pretty woman. Thus his actions can't be possibly misinterpreted as out of character. With Zoro people have room to speculate why he does or doesn't do something. I'm under the group that says he wasn't being sexist, he just wasn't interested in killing her because she wasn't a real threat for the most part. If Sanji was in this room it'd just be a repeat of Kalifa. And that was bad enough. We know exactly why Sanji holds back and that's a bit more insulting because he wouldn't do that with a man. Often he's even more brutal with men. Zoro holds back if an opponent isn't worth his time, gender doesn't matter. Whiskey peak he defeated men women and children. But he didn't kill them. He's an equal opportunity trouncer lol.
Besides we already knew he wasn't serious from the start. No bandana to signal shit just got real.
Well if Sanji would have done it, it would bring even more complain
Well, I personally wouldn't mind if Sanji did harm a female enemy, but that's never going to happen…
! Unless we get Okama Sanji. :ninja:
The most we would get would be Sanji vs. Kalifa-esque nonsense. At least that was avoided. I'm just surprised how fast Sanji and the Marines zipped through the room, I thought Monet would jump in again.
None of Zoro's actions were out of character here. If he faced Monet on his own, after getting the rest of the crew out of the way, it might have gone differently. But Tashigi got under his skin as Kuina and Sanji manage to do and he went into full jerk-ass mode.
Remember the return to Saebody when he was getting at Sanji with ranking them in order of arrival? The Zoro who cut a boat in half because he napped in the wrong place? That was the guy we saw here. Monet was pretty much irrelevant to him after that and it was all about teaching Tashigi a lesson.
But I was really glad that he actually explained to Tashigi the reasons he was off-balance around her. Now that's dealt with maybe their interaction will go somewhere interesting, possibly a mentoring that he can't give Kuina.
As for Caribou… man, I really don't know why but he just keeps growing on me.
Wait, if Sanji had actually decided to reject his kishido bullshit and fight a woman, people would have COMPLAINED?
2 options…
1. They would complain that he is out of character
or say
2. He still isn't able to do
And we know that in this forum Sanji is seen in a more bad light after all... Some people still judge him thinking he is still doing nose bleeds left and rigth even if it stopped in the same arc they started
Also, if Zoro really did kill Monet, a lot of the "Monet-for-NAKAMA!!" guys would have complained.
Just sayin'.
Except we know with Sanji that what's always going to happen against a pretty woman. Thus his actions can't be possibly misinterpreted as out of character. With Zoro people have room to speculate why he does or doesn't do something. I'm under the group that says he wasn't being sexist, he just wasn't interested in killing her because she wasn't a real threat for the most part. If Sanji was in this room it'd just be a repeat of Kalifa. And that was bad enough. We know exactly why Sanji holds back and that's a bit more insulting because he wouldn't do that with a man. Often he's even more brutal with men. Zoro holds back if an opponent isn't worth his time, gender doesn't matter. Whiskey peak he defeated men women and children. But he didn't kill them. He's an equal opportunity trouncer lol.
Besides we already knew he wasn't serious from the start. No bandana to signal shit just got real.
Good point about the bandana. But I think like Sanji mentioned Zoro isn't that bad of a guy. Look how he treated the little girl when he first appeared in the manga. Or how he helped take that stranger to the hospital on Sabaody
Also, if Zoro really did kill Monet, a lot of the "Monet-for-NAKAMA!!" guys would have complained.
What, that camp is still around? I thought Monet turning into a monster and attacking the others last chapter smashed their predictions.
Ok quick question, did Zoro at any one time agree that,"yeah I am not attacking because she is a woman" ? Is this at all in the original text or anyhting.
Am I the only one who kind of noticed that it was Tashigi AND Monet who kept on insisitng that he doesn't cut women and when he did attack Monet I think he said something like along the lines of there I attacked you will shut up now?
I would really appreciate an answer on the first question.
What, that camp is still around? I thought Monet turning into a monster and attacking the others last chapter smashed their predictions.
Oh come on. You know there's always hope. Even if she's been shown to help poison children lol.
I liked it. Some cool visuals, and while Tashigi didn't excel or win the fight on her own, she had a couple moments.
Zoro saw his opponent as weak and didn't need to go all out. HE DIDN'T PUT HIS BANDANA ON. Should have realized that last chapter.
Sex comes into it some, but the entire point of Sanji's scene, AND Tashigi's, AND Zoro's dialogue, was to say it wasn't about that. Zoro doesn't care to fight women, but that wasn't what held him back. That was explicitly said several times by a couple characters, including Zoro himself.
It was entirely that he was leagues stronger than her. Its the same weird standard that surrounds the "next nakama" crowd. "Monet is a girl so I want her to join!" isn't too far off from "Monet is a girl so Zoro didn't have to try very hard!" If Monet had been an ugly weird dude with the exact same personality and abilities that poisons kids and turns into a big toothed shoulder biting monster, and is all evil and stuff, not only would nobody be wanting her to join, but they wouldn't have a problem here either. (Well, there are the people that wanted Caribou to join…) Also, even with icepicks and a steel-wing move, she wasn't really a sword-user.
Zoro cut himself to give a handicap against Cabaji all the way back at the start of the series. Had a crippling Mihawk slash against Hachi. Sliced his own legs in Little garden. Usopp tied to his arm during Enies Lobby. Had less than three swords during thriller bark. Kuma damage during Sabondy. Still with Kuma damage against those baboons on Mihawk's island. Fought a fishman underwater and one shotted him.
Really I think Mr. 1 and Ryuma is pretty much the only times he's gone all out, (Mihawk aside) and he was handicapped in odd ways in those fights too.
Zoro is ALWAYS handicapped, and always in a bad condition. But he also gauges his opponents and fights them at their level, if he's in full health and way ahead of them, he holds back. He didn't go all out at Fishman Island, and he didn't go all out here. Its back to the start of the series question of not "how will they survive this" but "Just how strong are these guys?"
Remember who he just spent two years training under. Mr. "I'm going to stop all three of your swords with the smallest pocket knife I have because it's the fairest thing I can do, sorry I don't have anything smaller." You don't use a canon to hunt rabbits, you use what's appropriate to the situation.
Zoro saw Monet as a threat to the weaker people who were escaping... but didn't see much threat in her to him. He traded a few testing blows and saw he was stronger and faster than her and knew he could one shot her and utterly destroy her, (and he proved his point, even without using Haki on her) and there was no need to go all out.
That's exactly the same kind of restraint Mihawk showed when that little ant in the east blue challenged him. Tashigi said she wanted to fight Monet, so Zoro let her. (And he probably gauged that she could probably meet the challenge.) Same way Luffy let Zoro fight Mihawk.
If Zoro had a pocket knife on him he might have played around a bit more and the blatant similarity might have been more obvious. Tashigi is being shown that there's an entire monstrous league ahead of her and she has to try harder to catch up.
Ok quick question, did Zoro at any one time agree that,"yeah I am not attacking because she is a woman" ? Is this at all in the original text or anyhting.
Am I the only one who kind of noticed that it was Tashigi AND Monet who kept on insisitng that he doesn't cut women and when he did attack Monet I think he said something like along the lines of there I attacked you will shut up now?
I would really appreciate an answer on the first question.
Read the posts by Mr.French and I bro, it will quench your thirst for the answer.
Do you guys think Monet died?
If she didn't die I'll actually be very annoyed.
I'm a bit sick of this people not dieing bullshit, its getting very repetitive.
The One Piece community is fairly old now-days I'm sure not a lot of young people watch or read the show because there are simply just too many chapters to catch up on.
What, that camp is still around? I thought Monet turning into a monster and attacking the others last chapter smashed their predictions.
They're a dying breed, but they're still alive. XD
If she didn't die I'll actually be very annoyed.
I'm a bit sick of this people not dieing bullshit, its getting very repetitive.
The One Piece community is fairly old now-days I'm sure not a lot of young people watch or read the show because there are simply just too many chapters to catch up on.
People hardly die in shonen in general. If you want death, shonen isn't your genre.
What changed during 2 years with Mihawk? In fact we didnt really know and expected "some new fighting skills" only? Training sword fighting obviously is not just technique but also character and psychology. I like to see character development of Zorro. I like the surprise. He is not the "I draw my sword fast and cut everything" guy anymore, it seems. He is more mature, standing above the scenery and controlling it.
If she didn't die I'll actually be very annoyed.
I'm a bit sick of this people not dieing bullshit, its getting very repetitive.
G-5 Marines say "hi!"
I'm…mixed on this chapter.
I don't find it sexist, really
It's great that you're maintaining this position. I wonder if I could call a pickle jar sexist because it has MALE PHALLUS PROPAGANDA in it, would I receive the accolades of my progressive-thinking peers? Behind all this sexism talk, there's one person with a huge grin, satisfied that our lives have become just a little more miserable by instilling the sexism talk into every thread. I hope she one day realizes that her efforts would be better spent on leading the coalition against Sexism In Comic Books (and not sexism in real life situations, where equality is much needed) and not vaguely complaining about them on a forum.
Oh come on. You know there's always hope. Even if she's been shown to help poison children lol.
They're a dying breed, but they're still alive. XD
Does this mean we'll get more amusing and contrived arguments? :P