munches on stolen waffles
a fascinating turn of events… and mette, you underestimate my backup storage warehouses.
Gotta love Urouge
and why would you eat the poisoned ones who were meant for the rats? D:
munches on stolen waffles
a fascinating turn of events… and mette, you underestimate my backup storage warehouses.
Gotta love Urouge
and why would you eat the poisoned ones who were meant for the rats? D:
So let me just thank all the Nami supporters this match, you guys were great. InglingX especially. Nami's goin' to Round 3.
I do feel a little bad since….well, Rayleigh got all those votes.....but I think the Nami camp had put forth a lot more effort. Still, if the coin had flipped the other way, Urouge would've voted for Rayleigh, and he would've advanced.
Hopefully we're done with ties for the tournament. Like I said before, no one wins.
Well, that settles it.
Oh god no, Kuma vs Robin D: Nooooo, I'm torn.
@metteminne:
Gotta love Urouge
and why would you eat the poisoned ones who were meant for the rats? D:
Urouge is the boss.
I have rats specially trained to detect poison. YOU CAN'T KILL ME. (well technically you can and have various times, but I don't stay down, which is the important bit)
Y'know, I actually feel a little bit bad about the Rayleigh supporters (well, Nate and ShortY, since they were the only ones actually campaigning), but this is just great. ![](http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u436/TehGunder/Nami Campaigns/5b7755b5.png)
Can't you ban people who aim for ties? I mean, if they vote when the poll ends every single time…
Kuma is going to get owned. I loved the guy back then, but I feel as if he's served his purpose in the story.
That is, revealing all the things that made him such a great mysterious character to begin with. He's still great, but yah.
Y'know, I actually feel a little bit bad about the Rayleigh supporters (well, Nate and ShortY, since they were the only ones actually campaigning), but this is just great. [http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u436/TehGunder/Nami Campaigns/5b7755b5.png](http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u436/TehGunder/Nami Campaigns/5b7755b5.png)
No harm done, I just think Magellan should get the same treatment as Nami
Urouge is the boss.
I have rats specially trained to detect poison. YOU CAN'T KILL ME. (well technically you can and have various times, but I don't stay down, which is the important bit)
You mean these dead ones?
Going with Kuma this time.
If only because every other 'Bukai vs. Straw Hat match has ended with the 'Bukai winning.
Gotta keep the trend going.
So let me just thank all the Nami supporters this match, you guys were great. InglingX especially. Nami's goin' to Round 3.
Thanks.
But the whole Nami camp did a great job. We needed a little luck to get through, but we made it.
@NateRich:
No harm done, I just think Magellan should get the same treatment as Nami
Hey, I'm all up for Magellan to advance, but well, coinflip… could easily backfire if it were to happen.
Thanks.
But the whole Nami camp did a great job. We needed a little luck to get through, but we made it.
You're right. It was a team effort, but Lady Luck shined down on us in the end.
And if anything, this match proves ties are truly evil.
You're right. It was a team effort, but Lady Luck shined down on us in the end.
Well, here's hoping Round 3 is gonna be a little smoother.
But in the end we'll take who we get.
And we'll win. For now let's rest, Nami camp. You did remarkably well.
@metteminne:
You mean these dead ones?
You're going to have to do better than rat poison. I've already developed an immunity (though it doesn't taste nice)
No harm done, I just think Magellan should get the same treatment as Nami
Hey, I'm all up for Magellan to advance, but well, coinflip… could easily backfire if it were to happen.
I think it's stupid to have this treatment one time and not for the other.
I demand the same coin flip or whatever happening for the Shanks/Magellan match, although I want Magellan to advance at all costs, but it wouldn't be right if we leave it at this. Mods, anyone, please, let's decide on this.
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Shame, Kuma is a lost cause. I'll still try and at least get SOMETHING on him... Meh.
Still standing by the Magellan/Shanks decider. That HAS to happen now.
Clearly Rayleigh was at a disadvantage, since the tiebreaker involved money.
Good for you, though, Nami camp and shame on anyone who aimed to tie the match. Oh, I second Juvar's motion to break the tie between Magellan and Shanks, by the way.
Also, soon…
All in favour say AYE!!!
I think it's stupid to have this treatment one time and not for the other.
I demand the same coin flip or whatever happening for the Shanks/Magellan match, although I want Magellan to advance at all costs, but it wouldn't be right if we leave it at this. Mods, anyone, please, let's decide on this.
Okay, Shanks moves on, Magellan loses the round.
@RobbyBevard:
Okay, Shanks moves on, Magellan loses the round.
Seriously, the staff IS discussing how to deal with two different ties, when they were so obviously intentionally aimed for, despite that explicitly being against the rules. It's unprecedented and hasn't happened in the tournament before. And, experience has taught us that three way matches just suck. Cause they just do, they're horribly unbalanced, with or without multivote.
For the time being, Shanks and Magellan move forward as the first fluke tie, while only Nami moves forward from her match because it was VERY clearly a match where people were trying intentionally to tie it up, with nearly a solid hour of one contestant getting a vote first, followed by the other getting one immediately after, consistently in the same order, and it seems like there needs to be an official example made to discourage people aiming for ties in the future. (Rayleighs unfortunate luck to be the second tie, rather than the first.)
People were trying to do the same in several other matches this round. There's close matches where people wait to vote based on campaigns, and characters can make sudden surges from behind to catch up at the last second as people ask others to vote that normally wouldn't… and then there's matches that remain ties for hours at a time with a far too consistent back and forth 1 vote at a time.
Close tight matches are the most interesting and fun, and those are great when that close gap happens naturally, but its pretty obvious a lot of people are trying to just keep things even for the sake of being even now.
This judgement may change in the next few days as we officially finalize policy on ties, (Attempts at ties have never been this much of an issue before) but that's how it stands right now, and it is seeming like all future ties will consistently be decided by a coin toss after the match ends.
You'll just have to wait and see what happens in round three. We'll come up with something interesting that'll hopefully make everyone except Juvar happy.
wakes up
Sigh, I don't want to look at the match… What if Nami lost :(
reluctantly checks
YES YES YES YES YES.
Nami loves money, of course a simple coin would love her too :):)
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Fetish bird's right. Let's make this bloody.
@Nia:
Is it bad that I instinctively thought you were talking about me?
@metteminne:
Yes .
what have you people done
I'm not sure if it helps, but wouldn't it solve the problem if people who aren't voted yet couldn't look at the results? Like, they wouldn't know how many votes the characters have.
I think that'd take away from some matches to be honest simply because part of the fun is watching a lead narrow or vanish altogether.
One of the best moments from the 2009 Tournament was counting down the moments until Buggy beat Sanji; not knowing how close it was and that every incoming vote was critical would have damaged that greatly.
That and half the posts would be badgering mods for the numbers.
I'm not sure if it helps, but wouldn't it solve the problem if people who aren't voted yet couldn't look at the results? Like, they wouldn't know how many votes the characters have.
Yes, why not? I mean the decision by coin is swell and all, but it teaches none of them a lesson, considering that those people clearly do not care about who goes through.
ETA: Too late again.
I think that'd take away from some matches to be honest simply because part of the fun is watching a lead narrow or vanish altogether.
One of the best moments from the 2009 Tournament was counting down the moments until Buggy beat Sanji; not knowing how close it was and that every incoming vote was critical would have damaged that greatly.
That and half the posts would be badgering mods for the numbers.
Good point. Well, I'm sure you (the event mods) will come up with the best solution imaginable.
@RobbyBevard:
Okay, Shanks moves on, Magellan loses the round.
That would suck but I'd accept it. I'm not sure what other solutions you come up with since we need an exact number of characters.. Oh well.
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Fetish bird's right. Let's make this bloody.
Stop hating me :ninja:
Why don't we pair Magellan vs. Rayleigh and Nami vs. Shanks (or the other way around, randomly chosen)?
It could take the place of a filler match since round 2 is over anyway, and this way the characters actually earn their place in the tournament. The cointoss really leaves a bad taste in your mouth, even if I'm pleased with Nami advancing. It just doesn't feel right.
I know that you guys want to make an example here to discourage going for ties, but I think the message is clear now anyway.
I think it's not necessary to have any other deciding matches since it was decided yesterday. Changing the result again seems like overdoing it and there's no need for that in my eyes. If Magellan and Shanks get the same treatment, I wouldn't mind though since a tie is as random as a coinflip.
I think it's not necessary to have any other deciding matches since it was decided yesterday. Changing the result again seems like overdoing it and there's no need for that in my eyes. If Magellan and Shanks get the same treatment, I wouldn't mind though since a tie is as random as a coinflip.
I'm not sure if I understand you correctly, but how is a tie as random as a coinflip?
Winning through luck is cheapening the achievement. If Nami should win the tournament (and she has good chances I guess) I would always look back at this match and wonder if she would have made it without winning a cointoss. I mean supposedly, the winner of the tournament is the character who managed to beat every other participant, right?
Personally I really don't care either way, I only want to be entertained and so far the campaigners do a fantastic job at it. But from the view of someone who takes this tourney more serious, I doubt a cointoss is the way to go.
The real downside I can see in my suggestion is that it means more work for the staff, and there is not much time left for preparations.
Random as in
Ends up being random either way.
Is there no way to set a poll by the number of votes?
Like say, instead of having a poll open for a day, the poll ends after 351 votes are cast. That way there are no ties ever.
This idea is far from perfect, but it would get rid of a pressing problem.
You're going to have to do better than rat poison. I've already developed an immunity (though it doesn't taste nice)
It's because it works slowly , you'll see :ninja:
I think that'd take away from some matches to be honest simply because part of the fun is watching a lead narrow or vanish altogether.
One of the best moments from the 2009 Tournament was counting down the moments until Buggy beat Sanji; not knowing how close it was and that every incoming vote was critical would have damaged that greatly.
That and half the posts would be badgering mods for the numbers.
Good times , good times :cwy:
Is there no way to set a poll by the number of votes?
Like say, instead of having a poll open for a day, the poll ends after 351 votes are cast. That way there are no ties ever.
This idea is far from perfect, but it would get rid of a pressing problem.
No, because some matches get 150 votes and some get 400, and that is unfair to people who come in later or live in different timezones, and if there was an arbitrary cut off line people could shoot for that too. People would know at exactly what point a character had won and then stop doing anything. The whole point is to discourage people saving their vote for the absolute last second. You can save your vote to be swayed by campaigns and vote in the last hour, that's fine. Close matches are fun, they're most interesting when they're neck and neck, and when those are reached naturally, that's great. But saving your vote to specifically try and create a tie in the last 20 minutes (as has been happening in several matches this round, and is against the rules) is the problem.
A close match has a certain rhythm to it. Someone will get two or three votes, the other person will get a vote, then the first person will get another two votes, then the second person will get three votes in a row and pull ahead for 20 minutes… its hard to explain, but there is an organic flow to it. When the match, for a solid hour goes tie, one vote, tie, one vote, tie, one vote, tie, one vote, tie, (and consistently in the same character order) its artificial.
Everyone in the audience knowing all future ties will be decided by a coinflip should pretty much eliminate the problem. It IS unfair that this now official method had to be introduced half way into this particular round, so the staff is discussing the matter heavily. It WILL be the rule from here on out in all future matches, but we're trying to work out something more fair for this round .
You'll just have to wait and see what we have cooked up for round three. It will be interesting, and should make everyone but Juvar happy.
@metteminne:
It's because it works slowly , you'll see :ninja:
Did you really think I failed to bring along backup antidote? Just in case…
Did you really think I failed to bring along backup antidote? Just in case…
Did you really think I wouldn't steal it and replace it with some drug?Just in case…
I will send you both to your respective corners
with no waffles
@RobbyBevard:
You'll just have to wait and see what we have cooked up for round three. It will be interesting, and should make everyone but Juvar happy.
I feel discrimination going on! MUTINY!
It´s good that some SH´s were declassified this early..now I can vote in some matches.
Hint:[hide]Zoro Vs Usopp and Nami Vs Robin for the next round[/hide]
That would make my life easier..
Well, depending on who Law will face in the next round I will vote for him.
Oh my god I forgot to vote.
Damn.
Well, that solved my problem. I'm happy with Robin advancing, although it'd have been equally good if Kuma won.
The Straw Hats always have the unfair advantage in these tournaments.
Kuma never gets far in them:sad:
The Straw Hats always have the unfair advantage in these tournaments.
Kuma never gets far in them:sad:
No they don't. Five of them lost this round, and its only the second round. And Chopper didn't even make it through the prelims last year, and Luffy lost in the first round the year after he was made champ!
Yes, they are naturally among the most popular characters given their screentime, but they're hardly unbeatable. Kuma came pretty close, and probably could have beaten one of the other slightly less popular Strawhats.
Well Robin did win last year and usually Luffy tends to make it further than he did this year.
Well Robin did win last year and usually Luffy tends to make it further than he did this year.
And the year before that Robin lost to Usopp. Every single strawhat has been beaten. Multiple times. Some of them in the very first round.
Cool, Robin won. But hey, at least Kuma put up a good fight.
ah, so how it ends, we can go to round 3 now
ah, so how it ends, we can go to round 3 now
Nah. There need to be some flller matches first.
Ah, yeah, Ive forgot, filler matches, wonder what it will be now
Oh hell yeah, Robin won!!! Anyways, congrats to all campaign posters, both Robin and Kuma supporters!