Ah then I misunderstood him, he meant a cut that actually landed a hit would damage him, oh it most certainly would hurt Buggy. Buggy's real defense is purely his splitting ability, if someone would land a normal or haki blow, it would be pretty damaging.
General 'Haki' Discussion
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Buggy would not receive any damage from Being cut, including With Haki or Seastone.
Buggy is Completely immune to being cut
Just like Luffy is Immune to Lightning. Luffy would feel no Pain from Lightning whether his Being Electrocuted with Haki or with Seastone cuff's on him.
Luffy and Buggy have Complete immunity towards these kinds of attacks.
immunity means completely unaffected.While with Blunt attacks Luffy would take damage with Haki or Seastone, because his not immune to Blunt attacks. Just Highly resistant.
Haki or Seastone does not remove a Devil Fruit Users ability, Luffy is still Rubber as Buggy is still a Split man. The certain types of attacks i mentioned would not affect them cause they are Immune towards them. They still posses their devil fruit body which acts as such.
Any other Blows they receive which they are not Immune towards will certainly harm them when they are hit with Haki or SeaStone, even if such attacks are the ones they are highly resistant with. Such as Luffy with Blunt attacks.Buggy Is a Split man. He would still be a Split man Even when in Seastone Cuffs. This is how i think he was able to escape.
Even with Seastone cuffs on him he was able to free himself, Since the seastones prevent him from activateing his powers. He must somehow cut his arms off to remove the Cuffs from him(without taking damage.) That's how he was already outside his Cage as soon as Luffy entered Impel Down.
If Blackbeard was to Cut Buggy than Buggy would be dead. Since he removes the Ability user Power Completely. His the only one that can do that.
Buggy is Pretty much immortal to any Slicing attacks even with Haki or Seastone. He will not receive any damage from such attacks.
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Buggy would not receive any damage from Being cut, including With Haki or Seastone.
Buggy is Completely immune to being cut
Just like Luffy is Immune to Lightning. Luffy would feel no Pain from Lightning whether his Being Electrocuted with Haki or with Seastone cuff's on him.
Luffy and Buggy have Complete immunity towards these kinds of attacks.
immunity means completely unaffected.While with Blunt attacks Luffy would take damage with Haki or Seastone, because his not immune to Blunt attacks. Just Highly resistant.
Haki or Seastone does not remove a Devil Fruit Users ability, Luffy is still Rubber as Buggy is still a Split man. The certain types of attacks i mentioned would not affect them cause they are Immune towards them. They still posses their devil fruit body which acts as such.
Any other Blows they receive which they are not Immune towards will certainly harm them when they are hit with Haki or SeaStone, even if such attacks are the ones they are highly resistant with. Such as Luffy with Blunt attacks.Buggy Is a Split man. He would still be a Split man Even when in Seastone Cuffs. This is how i think he was able to escape.
Even with Seastone cuffs on him he was able to free himself, Since the seastones prevent him from activateing his powers. He must somehow cut his arms off to remove the Cuffs from him(without taking damage.) That's how he was already outside his Cage as soon as Luffy entered Impel Down.
If Blackbeard was to Cut Buggy than Buggy would be dead. Since he removes the Ability user Power Completely. His the only one that can do that.
Buggy is Pretty much immortal to any Slicing attacks even with Haki or Seastone. He will not receive any damage from such attacks.
That's why Mihawk Couldn't hurt him.Can't say I agree with that, my reasoning is this, Sea stone or Haki doesn't cancel a users ability, but they also can't use it.
Luffy with sea stone hand cuffs, could stretch, but he couldn't do it on his own, someone else would need to pull his body. Also the effectiveness of his ruber, I believe would be reduced wearing sea stone, which any blunt force attack would feel damaging, similar to rayleigh flicking luffy with his finger, or garps punch.
Buggy never wore sea stone in Impel down since they didn't know he had an ability since he stayed in east blue and pretty much let his crew do the fighting. In my opinion, if Buggy was wearing sea stone and someone tried to cut him, the slice would make him bleed. Even if Buggy is a splitting man, he still has the anatomy of an normal human and while under the influence of sea stone, would lose the ability to split himself on his own.
Also Black beard can remove the users ability, so far only shown on white beard, however when touching the user, his ability acts similar to sea stone. What you just suggested would mean, when black beard touched luffy, luffy no longer was rubberized, which doesn't seem right. Without completely removing the users fruit (like he did with whitebeard), anyone black beard touches will keep their abilities but lose the power to use them.
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Can't say I agree with that, my reasoning is this, Sea stone or Haki doesn't cancel a users ability, but they also can't use it.
Luffy with sea stone hand cuffs, could stretch, but he couldn't do it on his own, someone else would need to pull his body. Also the effectiveness of his rubber, I believe would be reduced wearing sea stone, which any blunt force attack would feel damaging, similar to rayleigh flicking luffy with his finger, or garps punch.
Buggy never wore sea stone in Impel down since they didn't know he had an ability since he stayed in east blue and pretty much let his crew do the fighting. In my opinion, if Buggy was wearing sea stone and someone tried to cut him, the slice would make him bleed. Even if Buggy is a splitting man, he still has the anatomy of an normal human and while under the influence of sea stone, would lose the ability to split himself on his own.
Also Black beard can remove the users ability, so far only shown on white beard, however when touching the user, his ability acts similar to sea stone. What you just suggested would mean, when black beard touched luffy, luffy no longer was rubberized, which doesn't seem right. Without completely removing the users fruit (like he did with whitebeard), anyone black beard touches will keep their abilities but lose the power to use them.
What i marked in Green you are correct about.
Red is wrong.! See the guys Buggy was Sharing a Cell with, they all have Seastone on them. Buggy must have had it too… Everyone in Impel Had it.
Being hit with a weakness of yours,seastone or haki your body can be damaged/touched like a normal body, but your body still posesses the ability and stayed the entire time a DF-body and by that less vulnerable as your ordinary body. (unless your Blackbeard who removes your ability completely)
To hell with it I'll post my entire other post here. since we are talking about the same thing.
@AppleSauce:It would seem I'm not being clear enough.
Mr.1 was hit while he had Seastone's cuffs on him. Like i said before**,** being hit with a weakness of yours,seastone or haki your body can be damaged/touched like a normal body, but your body still posesses the ability and stayed the entire time a DF-body and by that less vulnerable as your ordinary body. The Seastone acted as the weakness/Haki to damage Mr.1 vulnerable Steel Body.Same as how Enel was hit by Wiper.
Its the same as how Smoker is able to hit Luffy with his Jutte.Luffy's body is tough but it doesn't mean he can only take damage from Piercing/slashing attacks. His Highly resistant to Blunt damage, Bullets would fall into this Same Blunt damage category. Luffy's received blows before which hurt him like that of a Dials and Lucci.
Luffy isn't Immune to Bullets or Blunt Damage. Just very highly resistant.
Luffy is Immune to Lightning.The point I was trying to make with the Amazon lily Haki users shooting arrows at luffy was to show that Bullets would have the same effect. If bullets are shot at luffy with Haki than he would take damage. It would not bounce off of him. It would only mean that Haki and Seastone were able to bypass his Highly resistant rubber body which would make him take damage from a haki imbued bullets. Its the same as how Smoker is able to hit Luffy with his Jutte.
Lighting on the other hand would not affect him at all whether his being hit with lightning imbued with haki or with Seastones cuffs on him getting electrocuted.(Buggy executing luffy at the Platform, Luffy was ok Buggy was burnt.) Luffy would not take damage. He is still Rubber, Haki or seastone Does not remove Devil Power.He is Immune to Lighting as a rubber man but in a Weak state to blunt damage with Seastone on him. Luffy is not Immune to Blunt Damage.
Logia's are in ability Form all the time. They just have been given more control than the Permanent Paramecia types.
Logia's in Seastone cuffs , being hit with a weakness of yours,seastone or haki your body can be damaged/touched like a normal body, but your body still posesses the ability and stayed the entire time a DF-body and by that less vulnerable as your ordinary body.
They still posses their power but take hit due to the effect of the Seastone, Just like Haki. If a bullet were to hit them in this state, it would hurt them the way it would hurt luffy.Think off Logia's as people who have gotten their DNA changed to the ability they have become.
Just like Luffy who's is Rubber from skin to bone.@Refil, You need to read my post. your misunderstanding me.
Now, for those who read my previous. I would like to clarify myself further.
Zoan(Activate)=Marco, Chopper, Lucci, Kaku[Fruit users of this kind need to Transform to activate their ability, Seastone negates them from doing so]
We've seen this in action already, Marco was shot with cuffs on and he couldn't Activate his powers.Paramecia Type A(Activate)=WB, Mr.2, Mr.3, Law, and a lot of people in this category.[Fruit Users of this kind need to Activate their abilities, Seastone negates them from doing so]
We've also seen this in action already, Robin couldn't Activate her powers, Neither could Mr. 3 until he was freed by Buggy.Paramecia Type "DNA"(Permanent)=Luffy, Mr.1, Buggy[Fruit users of this kind are in their ability state No matter what, due to changes to the molecular level, even when under the effect of Seastone, Except when in contact with Blackbeard]
Now this one got pretty confusing for me due to my misunderstandings. I thought that Luffy was Immune to Bullets/Blunt Damage but in fact his not. His Immune to Lighting.
Luffy is only highly resistant to bullets/Blunt Damage. So If a Bullet hit him when his Cuffed with Seastone it could prove deadly(Amazon Lily Archers Piercing walls). Since Seastone Acts as Haki when in contact with an ability user + Added bonus's.Buggy is completely Immune to cutting attacks even with Haki or Seastone.
Logia Type "DNA"(Permanent)= Kizaru,Akainu, AoiKiji, BB, Ace, Enel[Fruit users of this kind are in their ability state No matter what due to changes to the molecular level, even when under the effect of Seastone, Except when in contact with Blackbeard]They just have been given more control than the Permanent Paramecia types. When cuffed with Seastone they will take damage from everything as long as they are not Immune to what they are being attacked with. Seastone Acts as Haki when in contact with an ability user + disrupts the Power so he can't use it. It does not remove it like BB.
So if Akainu is Immune to Fire He would not receive any damage from fire even when in Seastone Cuffs. He is still a Magma man even under such conditions. anything else his not immune to will hurt him.So Blackbeard is Insane. Nothing in the world Removes the power of the ability user except himself.
Edit: Now I have a complete understanding of how Haki, Seastone, and Blackbeard work.
Thanks guys.Hmm… Seastone on Luffy would still keep him Rubber. He would take damage like his being hit by Haki even by Blunt attacks.(Example, What Smoker does to him) We can Agree to this much.
Same would go for Enel. His still lightning But Seastone Acts as Haki when in contact with an ability user + disrupts the Power so he can't use it. But his still Lighting. So Enel Took the Hit because Seastone is another form of hitting ability users with added effects that Haki does not have which Prevents the Ability user from activating his powers.
Mr. 1 would fall into the same Category as well. He is Still Steel like Luffy is Rubber, and with Seastone cuffs on him he would take damage from anyone. Its just another Form of Haki with added Bonus of Disrupting the Ability users power and preventing them from activating. So when Mr.1 was hit, He was hit with Haki (even though the attacker didn't use Haki) cause that's the effect of the Seastones. Its just another way of hitting Ability users with Added Bonus.
I'll stick with Don Quichotte De Flaming****o
Now being hit with a weakness of yours,seastone or haki your body can be damaged/touched like a normal body, but your body still posesses the ability and stayed the entire time a DF-body and by that less vulnerable as your ordinary body.
Thanks Guys, now I have proper understanding of this stuff more Clearly. With your opinions i was able to come to a Reasonable conclusion.
Edit: To confirm my point. I would like to add this.
Buggy would not receive any damage from Being cut, including With Haki or Seastone.Buggy is Completely immune to being cut
Just like Luffy is Immune to Lightning. Luffy would feel no Pain from Lightning whether his Being Electrocuted with Haki or with Seastone cuff's on him.
Luffy and Buggy have Complete immunity towards these kinds of attacks.
immunity means completely unaffected.While with Blunt attacks Luffy would take damage with Haki or Seastone, because his not immune to Blunt attacks. Just Highly resistant.
Haki or Seastone does not remove a Devil Fruit Users ability, Luffy is still Rubber as Buggy is still a Split man. The certain types of attacks i mentioned would not affect them cause they are Immune towards them. They still posses their devil fruit body which acts as such.
Any other Blows they receive which they are not Immune towards will certainly harm them when they are hit with Haki or SeaStone, even if such attacks are the ones they are highly resistant with. Such as Luffy with Blunt attacks.Buggy Is a Split man. He would still be a Split man Even when in Seastone Cuffs. This is how i think he was able to escape.
Even with Seastone cuffs on him he was able to free himself, Since the seastones prevent him from activating his powers. He must somehow cut his arms off to remove the Cuffs from him(without taking damage.) That's how he was already outside his Cage as soon as Luffy entered Impel Down.
If Blackbeard was to Cut Buggy than Buggy would be dead. Since he removes the Ability user Power Completely. His the only one that can do that.
Buggy is Pretty much immortal to any Slicing attacks even with Haki or Seastone. He will not receive any damage from such attacks.
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Who said that the swords don't touch Buggy? When somebody cuts him up, there IS contact between the sword and Buggy's body. He just doesn't get hurt from it (when there's no Haki infused in the sword).
When there is Haki infused in the sword, then he most likely would get hurt from the slash like a normal person would, but he wouldn't lose his ability to reattach himself.
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Who said that the swords don't touch Buggy? When somebody cuts him up, there IS contact between the sword and Buggy's body. He just doesn't get hurt from it (when there's no Haki infused in the sword).
When there is Haki infused in the sword, then he most likely would get hurt from the slash like a normal person would, but he wouldn't lose his ability to reattach himself.
Not if you have immunity from those kinds of attacks, Haki or Seastone wouldn't make a difference.Seastone would only prevent willful activition of it thats all.
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What i marked in Green you are correct about.
Red is wrong.! http://c.mhcdn.net/store/manga/106/54-526.0/compressed/one_piece_526_14.jpgSee the guys Buggy was Sharing a Cell with, they all have Seastone on them. Buggy must have had it too… Everyone in Impel Had it.
Being hit with a weakness of yours,seastone or haki your body can be damaged/touched like a normal body, but your body still posesses the ability and stayed the entire time a DF-body and by that less vulnerable as your ordinary body. (unless your Blackbeard who removes your ability completely)
To hell with it I'll post my entire other post here. since we are talking about the same thing.Everyone in Impel down had hand cuffs, not all of them were sea stone. Also the panel you showed doesn't state those were his cell mates or not, it only shows they were on the same level. After so many attempts to escape, it's possible the people in prison heard about him breaking out of his cell, I'm sure news like that would spread fast in prison.
You call Buggy para type DNA, where I would label him para type A. His abilities to me, are similar to robin expect his ability applies to himself only. I could be wrong, but a splitting man doesn't mean to me that he's a living split, he can split himself and maybe Oda will expand to allow him to split people he touches, but it still makes it an ability activation, not a DNA change.
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Who said that the swords don't touch Buggy? When somebody cuts him up, there IS contact between the sword and Buggy's body. He just doesn't get hurt from it (when there's no Haki infused in the sword).
When there is Haki infused in the sword, then he most likely would get hurt from the slash like a normal person would, but he wouldn't lose his ability to reattach himself.
The guy I quoted at the top of the page.
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Everyone in Impel down had hand cuffs, not all of them were sea stone. Also the panel you showed doesn't state those were his cell mates or not, it only shows they were on the same level. After so many attempts to escape, it's possible the people in prison heard about him breaking out of his cell, I'm sure news like that would spread fast in prison.
You call Buggy para type DNA, where I would label him para type A. His abilities to me, are similar to robin expect his ability applies to himself only. I could be wrong, but a splitting man doesn't mean to me that he's a living split, he can split himself and maybe Oda will expand to allow him to split people he touches, but it still makes it an ability activation, not a DNA change.
Now if Everyone on Impel down were wearing cuffs. What proof do you have that says they aren't Seastone. I would say that they are Seastone simply because they are in a prison. what kind of prison would put normal cuffs on the most Deadliest prisoners in the world.
Level 1 Prisoners
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! Level 6 Prisoners
! Do I really have to find Pictures for all level prisoners with cuffs on them to make you believe that they are cuffed with Seastone…Do you see any differences in the cuff's that suggest that they are not Seastone. If not than why bring up such an issue.
What reason would they have not to use Seastone cuff's in the Worlds most Impenetrable prison.
You see my point.
The people Buggy was talking to might not be his Cell mates, however everyone on that floor had cuffs on them... There was a mention that Buggy's plan was a Secret and he was secretly planning to escape... no one knew, nor did he make previous attempts.Buggy's Body structure changed he Become a Split Split man. His internal Body structure was altered, hence i used the word DNA to describe such a change. Buggy is Definitely Type DNA(permanent) Paramecia.
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The guy I quoted at the top of the page.
Oh, I see.
This discussion is such a mess. How did this whole thing start again?
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Oh, I see.
This discussion is such a mess. How did this whole thing start again?
No idea, but theres about 4 arguements happening at once so it's just fun too see everyone argue about different things on the same thread.
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I agree about the cuffs all being made of seastone - early in the story it was mentioned it was very resistant and not just on DF users. I disagree however about buggy's abilities, i think you're putting to much emphasis on devil fruits. Haki is a counter to ANY sort of devil fruit, a sword imbued with haki would cut him no doubt- unless his own haki is stronger/on par of course. the way i see seastone/haki is simple (logia or paramecia DNA are the easiest to use here for examples): a free DF user we could say has his "ability" around his body, emitting from every fiber of his being, an "aura" if you will. What haki and seastone do, depending on the amount of contact/ amount of haki used, that "aura" that is protecting them recedes into their body, forcing tangibility whether they will it or not, so the protective layer that was around their body is now under their skin, revealing the tangible body underneath While seastone/sea water nullify the powers, different levels of contact take away various freedoms the user has. (assuming seastone and sea water or the same thing) luffy could run around with sea stone cuffs on one hand no problem, but he was powerless in arlong park underwater.
Blackbeards yami yami no mi, in comparison, as soon as contact is established it forces the "aura" to recede to it's minimal state, which i'm guessing is around the users heart.
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Buggy's Body structure changed he Become a Split Split man. His internal Body structure was altered, hence i used the word DNA to describe such a change. Buggy is Definitely Type DNA(permanent) Paramecia.
If buggy's DNA was perma changed into a split man (like how luffy is perma rubber) then Buggy would have lost all energy and not even had the strength to move. Like when luffy touches seastone he losses all motor function and cant even find the strength to lift his own head.
So either buggy isnt a perma split man like you say or the cuffs he was wearing were not seastone.
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Just adding this in here: Buggy's ability is specifically to split. If he has sea-stone handcuffs on, is his body necessarily going to activate this ability? Its entirely possible, and unproveable either way, until Oda shows it in the manga, but it is just as likely that while the seastone cuffs are on, Buggy would be unable to use his powers, unable to split, and thus, unable to defend himself against a slicing attack until he lost his arms (at which point his DF powers would kick in with no seastone attached to him, but he'd have arm wounds).
Additionally, while you quote the picture, you leave out the point where the guards very specifically mention that they didn't know Buggy had a DF power. Why, if his cuffs were made of seastone, did they reference that, since Seastone should remove his ability to use a DF? That right there makes it clear to me that Buggy didn't have seastone cuffs on, since if he did, then him being a DF users who escaped should've been more of a surprise.
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I don't think seastone removes abilities like Blackbeard does. Just makes them really weak to the point they can't use their powers. But you make a good point though.
What if his body is already split apart and someone slapped a seastone cuff on his detached hand. Does Buggy die right away or just get really weak?
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I don't think seastone removes abilities like Blackbeard does. Just makes them really weak to the point they can't use their powers. But you make a good point though.
What if his body is already split apart and someone slapped a seastone cuff on his detached hand. Does Buggy die right away or just get really weak?
Maybe he would be force to re-assemble against his will? like a deactivation trigger of sorts
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What you are forgetting is that Seastone and water causes the loss of CONTROL, not the ability to use a fruit. Can Luffy move underwater? No, he lost control. Can he stretch? Not manually, but if somebody stretches him, he will. Same with Buggy: under Seastone can he split his body? Probably not voluntaraly. If he cut his hands off? Then yes, he wouldn't bleed out.
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So i was rereading the first chapter, and i'm wondering what people think about something. Shanks definitely did use conqueror haki on this page,
! ![](http://img.batoto.net/comics/2011/10/19/o/read4e9f2cb7d6007/Chapter 1 - Page 42.png)
but do you think that he did so consciously, or it was an accidental outburst similar to the kind Luffy has shown a number of times in similar circumstances?
Personally i think it was not intentional. Because if it were, and Shanks had mastery of conqueror haki at that point, that would mean he would be at least decent with Observation haki as well. But this page from earlier in the chapter,
! ![](http://img.batoto.net/comics/2011/10/19/o/read4e9f2cb7d6007/Chapter 1 - Page 37.png)
in which he and the whole crew are fooled by a simple smoke bomb from a simple bandit (not to mention that the need to physically search for luffy is mentioned) seems to illustrate that that is clearly not the case.
So my thinking is at this point in the story, Shanks and the red hair pirates where pretty much just rookies and no where near the force they would be in their yonkou days a decade later. And that does make a lot of sense to me for a number of reasons. Would be all be able to agree on that?
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@Dan:
So i was rereading the first chapter, and i'm wondering what people think about something. Shanks definitely did use conqueror haki on this page,
! [http://img.batoto.net/comics/2011/10/19/o/read4e9f2cb7d6007/Chapter 1 - Page 42.png](http://img.batoto.net/comics/2011/10/19/o/read4e9f2cb7d6007/Chapter 1 - Page 42.png)
but do you think that he did so consciously, or it was an accidental outburst similar to the kind Luffy has shown a number of times in similar circumstances?
Personally i think it was not intentional. Because if it were, and Shanks had mastery of conqueror haki at that point, that would mean he would be at least decent with Observation haki as well. But this page from earlier in the chapter,
! [http://img.batoto.net/comics/2011/10/19/o/read4e9f2cb7d6007/Chapter 1 - Page 37.png](http://img.batoto.net/comics/2011/10/19/o/read4e9f2cb7d6007/Chapter 1 - Page 37.png)
in which he and the whole crew are fooled by a simple smoke bomb from a simple bandit (not to mention that the need to physically search for luffy is mentioned) seems to illustrate that that is clearly not the case.
So my thinking is at this point in the story, Shanks and the red hair pirates where pretty much just rookies and no where near the force they would be in their yonkou days a decade later. And that does make a lot of sense to me for a number of reasons. Would be all be able to agree on that?
My guess is that haki isn't something Oda had in mind at the start of the series. Giving people a mean look to scare them away happens in many manga (and other media).
He probably developed the concept later on and conveniently explained incidents of the past with it. Anyway, Shanks was no Rookie back then because he battled with Mihawk till he lost his arm (and their clashes were famous in the grand line).
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Shanks was just a bit of a goof, panicking. But he was the only one out of everyone in his crew (who seemed more levelheaded) who was able to locate Luffy out at sea.
I think Oda might have had Haki in mind from the start. I mean, as soon as he thought of Devil Fruits, it's plausible he realized he had to think of a counter as well, right?
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Shanks was just a bit of a goof, panicking. But he was the only one out of everyone in his crew (who seemed more levelheaded) who was able to locate Luffy out at sea.
I think Oda might have had Haki in mind from the start. I mean, as soon as he thought of Devil Fruits, it's plausible he realized he had to think of a counter as well, right?
I actually think he purposely let the serpent bite his arm off.Not that he panicked.He's a guy who fought Mihawk and already mastered conquerors color.
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@Baou:
I actually think he purposely let the serpent bite his arm off.Not that he panicked.He's a guy who fought Mihawk and already mastered conquerors color.
But Dan brought up a very valid point here; this took place 12 years ago from the current timeline, after all, bit more than that. Nothing's really to say that Shanks was already an Emperor at this point or had mastered Haki… I think that's a point of view which would make more sense considering his arm DID get bitten of. I might go with that thought.
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My interpretation of that scene was that in that moment the only option that would keep Luffy alive was losing his arm.
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My interpretation of that scene was that in that moment the only option that would keep Luffy alive was losing his arm.
this, and in the picture we could see shanks did in fact have conquerors haki at the time, http://www.mangareader.net/103-2039-44/one-piece/chapter-1.html
if he had control over it he had probably atleast started to train the other 2 types.
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By the explanation of the databook… People still doubt that Sanji and Zoro haven't at least CoO already? But probably all of the stuff shown are gag feats or has nothing to mean
Yeah I opened the box of Pandora
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I think Observation Haki needs to be "turned on" to some degree. I was re-watching the Skypiea arc(Anime, so forgive me if it was different in the manga) and while Eneru was discovering that he could be hit by Luffy, he was easily being hit. After he decided to go on the offensive again, he needed to "turn it on" and then began to predict Luffy's moves again. Somebody like Whitebeard used to be able to use it in his sleep, but as seen in the war, he's not up to par anymore.
I think that it needs to be activated consciously to some degree. While Shanks was worried about Higuma harming Luffy, he might have thought he could peacefully solve the problem and get Higuma to give up Luffy before anymore violence occurred. This could explain why he didn't predict he would use smoke, because he wasn't prepared for a battle, didn't think of Higuma as a threat, and therefore didn't predict his move.
I guess you could think of it like Spider-Man's spider sense. It would alert him if Aunt May was about to walk in on him partially in costume, but lets say she decided to attack him for some reason, then it probably wouldn't pick it up because it differentiates Aunt May from villains.
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@KISHIDO- They both undoubtedly have haki, I'm with you. It's funny how some people can't accept it beyond a gag. So far we have gotten 2 tiny little hints. Just like the eventual haki revelation or even Kuma being a revolutionary helping out the straw hats, it is in Oda's style to give small meaningful hints throughout the story before out right throwing it in our faces.
As for the last statement some people are like Spider-man where the CoO is an uncontrollable reflex. They are like prodigies, with training Coby and Aisa could control it so its not a burden. But for the most part the user does have to concentrate to make use of it. After being knocked around by Luffy and co. That round "ha Haha" guy made it clear that if he couldn't concentrate during the battle he wouldn't be able to use his mantra. So depending on the person I suppose it does have to be switched on. But if you are like Aisa you are just born with the spider sense.
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@KISHIDO- They both undoubtedly have haki, I'm with you. It's funny how some people can't accept it beyond a gag.
What gag are you talking about?
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What gag are you talking about?
The gag that Nami screams in fear and Sanji senses it because he is so in tune with her feelings. I'm not sure, but something like that may have happened at one point in the series between these 2. But when I couple that with Caribou in the palace along with this, funny or not it's gotta be Haki.
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The gag that Nami screams in fear and Sanji senses it because he is so in tune with her feelings. I'm not sure, but something like that may have happened at one point in the series between these 2. But when I couple that with Caribou in the palace along with this, funny or not it's gotta be Haki.
And let's not forget back in FI, when Luffy asked Sanji and Zoro about someone's prescence to which they agreed.
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Right, that's what I meant by Caribou in the Palace. Still let's not forget Sanji and Zoro knowing exactly what type of Haki Luffy was using and not being surprised in the slightest. They have been informed and in all likelihood learned how to use it during the skip.
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Since reading the latest chapter and seeing Tashigi being sliced in half after Smoker warning her that her haki wasn't strong enough. It reminded me of when Luffy used his CoA to protect against Hody's bite but it wasn't strong enough, and makes me wonder if he would be able to stop Law at all..
Also in my opinion, now that it's been confirmed that Tashigi can use haki, I see no reason to doubt that at least Zoro can use it aswell. -
You don't really have to have haki in order to sense someone's presence.
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Since reading the latest chapter and seeing Tashigi being sliced in half after Smoker warning her that her haki wasn't strong enough. It reminded me of when Luffy used his CoA to protect against Hody's bite but it wasn't strong enough, and makes me wonder if he would be able to stop Law at all..
Also in my opinion, now that it's been confirmed that Tashigi can use haki, I see no reason to doubt that at least Zoro can use it aswell.It stands to reason that Luffy's Haki is orders of magnitude more powerful than Tashigi's. Luffy hardcore trained in haki for 2 years with one of the best haki users in the OP world. Tashigi, who is basically fodder in the NW, can't be much more proficient than Coby was.
I think haki is a mechanic that works in relativities. Aka your haki only manifiests/effects your opponent if your haki is noticeably greater than theirs. In the case of Law vs Luffy, if Law's haki is weak or nonexistent, then even with Luffy's not-quite-mastery of haki, he should be able to hold off against Law's DF power
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I think it's possible Robin has haki already and used it in the Sea Forest in FI.
Law's room is pretty hax so it's difficult to tell how strong haki has to be to bypass it.
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It stands to reason that Luffy's Haki is orders of magnitude more powerful than Tashigi's. Luffy hardcore trained in haki for 2 years with one of the best haki users in the OP world. Tashigi, who is basically fodder in the NW, can't be much more proficient than Coby was.
I think haki is a mechanic that works in relativities. Aka your haki only manifiests/effects your opponent if your haki is noticeably greater than theirs. In the case of Law vs Luffy, if Law's haki is weak or nonexistent, then even with Luffy's not-quite-mastery of haki, he should be able to hold off against Law's DF power
We do have to remember that while it seems strong it still cannot cope with blocking a Bite from Hody. He was able to negate all blunt attacks but sharp attacks he couldn't. And I doubt Hody had Haki. So it will be interesting too see if Luffy can withstand Law's room with his Haki or it could be just Oda trolling us.
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a theory for next chapter: Law doesn't want ANY attention and since he has no debt to luffy he'll try the same move he did on smoker, only luffy will withstand it because of his haki. then this
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By the explanation of the databook… People still doubt that Sanji and Zoro haven't at least CoO already? But probably all of the stuff shown are gag feats or has nothing to mean
Yeah I opened the box of Pandora
It still has to be stated for someone to have Haki or blatantly shown [Like Sanji physically kicking a logia] let alone something as ambiguous as CoO.
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I really doubt Shanks let the seaking bite off his arm, he basically swam all the way out into the ocean in an instant and snatched Luffy away from the seaking's mouth. He just wasn't quick enough. Even if you have observation haki you still can get hurt if you can't keep up.
a theory for next chapter: Law doesn't want ANY attention and since he has no debt to luffy he'll try the same move he did on smoker, only luffy will withstand it because of his haki. then this
Haha, I would love to see smoker or law with that face XD
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Ok this popped into my mind, If Robin develops CoA would her "Clutch" "Twist" etc. moves work on a Logia or would it be just a repeat of her smashing Aokiji too bits and then the person reforming themselves?
Would be cool if the Haki enabled her to snap some Logia peoples spines.
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Ok this popped into my mind, If Robin develops CoA would her "Clutch" "Twist" etc. moves work on a Logia or would it be just a repeat of her smashing Aokiji too bits and then the person reforming themselves?
Would be cool if the Haki enabled her to snap some Logia peoples spines.
With Haki, the Logia would feel their bones breaking, but they could reform the broken bones right after, I suppose.
Without Haki, the Logia wouldn't feel anything at all and just reform.
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With Haki, the Logia would feel their bones breaking, but they could reform the broken bones right after, I suppose.
Without Haki, the Logia wouldn't feel anything at all and just reform.
Aww that would suck if the bones can't stay broken, after they reform the bones would they still feel the pain of where it was broken? Or would only Marco recover from the pain.
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Aww that would suck if the bones can't stay broken, after they reform the bones would they still feel the pain of where it was broken? Or would only Marco recover from the pain.
I dunno. I think the only way to defeat a Logia (without having to resort to natural weaknesses) is to barrage them with a series of haki-infused attacks and cause them to lose consciousness before they can regenerate wounds.
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I dunno. I think the only way to defeat a Logia (without having to resort to natural weaknesses) is to barrage them with a series of haki-infused attacks and cause them to lose consciousness before they can regenerate wounds.
I always thought they couldnt regenerate wounds, like they could regenerate their bodies but the wounds would still exist cause Akainu still had blood coming out of his mouth after he re-appeared at the war.
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From the bandages it seemed like Akainu's ribs were still cracked too. It seemed like any damage done with haki stays there.
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The way i see it is that df users but especially logia users have "two bodies". One body is the element form which they can regenerate endlessly and the other one is their real body which can only be hit with haki but the damage inflicted with haki on that body doesn´t regenerate.
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Logia can't regenerate. Those bones are staying broken. Sandersonia hurt Luffy be sqeezing him with Haki so we know Haki works with more than just strike attacks.
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Yeah, that's how I understood it too.
If you hit a logia, you don't actually hit them, but rather the element they are made of. That is, of course, ineffective.
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yeah if thats the case what about when that swordsman from WB pirates slices akainu down the neck while protecting luffy(just after ace dies) … i maybe mistaken he may not have used haki but if not would his sword be damaged......
one of the big controversies is onec enel's heart stopped ......he used his logia powers to kick start his heart and then he's A-ok..... people who have their heart restarted usually dont get up and start jumping about ..... so the two-body theory wouldnt really work
also i may be an idiot to say this but is it even possible to logically explain any of the powers in OP
lets just say MAGIC and be done with it....??? .......*sigh ....dint think so
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I just had thought the other night as I was about to fall asleep.
Since Pekoms knows haki, then it stands to say at least chopper should learn Haki right???
Luffy doesn't have a big enough crew where they have leading "officer" to lead a group of nakama like with the WB pirates and their division commanders. Pekoms is probably an equivalent of a division commander for Big Momma's crew.
So I mean, each one of Luffy's nakama has to be an equivalent of a commander, thus they must at Pekoms' level and eventually learn haki to be able to fight against an emperor right!?
The only person who I don't think would learn haki would probably: Franky (he's a cyborg) and Nami who uses weather sorcery. Almost everyone else use physical attacks or traditional fighting techniques which is more a natural progression to haki.