Then maybe Disney just doesn't want to draw attention to Cars 2.
2012 Oscars
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@Nex:
I am however, incredinly miffed that Super 8 didn't get a nod anywhere.
While I respect your taste, I can definitely see why Super 8 didn't get a nod. It's one of those movies that just feels, at least to me, like it was trying to be so much that it ended up being less than it could have been.
For example, the children characters were performed remarkably and their own dramas were very interesting. But then their overall role in the whole alien thing was just poor writing. The end screamed of random asspull, as did the fact that the alien had captured people and then been perfectly ok with killing them. It was trying to be this scifi thriller that it wasn't at some points and that just messed it up in my eyes. As for the other things you mention, I'm not a film student so nothing of that sort stood out to me. I did not find the music memorable, and as someone who enjoys good writing I just marked it off as Spielberg banking on tropes and nostalgia.Frankly, the only movie in the best movie category I've seen is Midnight in Paris, and I find it delightful. Definitely my favorite movie this year. I really enjoy it when fun, quirky movies win instead of intense dramas, so I usually root for them. But I haven't seen the others so I can't say I care much about who wins.
Also, to the people who complain about the academy snubbing films and stuff, just keep in mind there ARE such things as people choice awards and screen actors guild awards and stuff. Just watch those, although that would probably culminate in complaints about how stupid people are for not agreeing with you.
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@RobbyBevard:
As quietly advertised as Pooh was, people may not be aware it even happened. I didn't even know it was in theaters and I was looking forward to it.
Also, it was short and made no money.
Explain the two foreign films being nominated then.
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I'm just pissed that animated films never win best picture when they clearly have as much if not more depth than most of the live action films.
"But no, an animated film can't win. It's too cartoony and totally not adult-like at all!" says the nomination committee that really need to get that stick out their asses.
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@Thousand:
I'm just pissed that animated films never win best picture when they clearly have as much if not more depth than most of the live action films.
"But no, an animated film can't win. It's too cartoony and totally not adult-like at all!" says the nomination committee that really need to get that stick out their asses.
What years are you referring to when an animated movie should have won best picture? Because I can't think of any.
And on a related note, I hope "The Artist" wins a lot this year, it's such a great film.
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Last year's Toy Story 3 for example?
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Seems to be a lot of bad pictures got nominated because of pure lack of betteroptions.
I hope "the artist" will make it this year,though.
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The most boring list of nominees in years.
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The most boring list of nominees in years.
Careful you might get roasted for saying that, I did.
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I haven't seen either top contenders for best picture and really only saw 'The Help'…Getting a new apartment and fiancee really straps te wallet...
I thought 'The Help' was a really enjoyable film myself, why didn't you like it TLS?
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Careful you might get roasted for saying that, I did.
Well for me, it's not about the movies themselves per se. I just think there's a certain lack of variety (especially compared to last year). I don't really care about 90% of the categories.
Maybe I'm just bitter because Michael Fassbender (among many others) got robbed.
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@Thousand:
Last year's Toy Story 3 for example?
Toy Story 3 better than King's Speech?
No. Absolutely not.
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Okay bad example. How about Up, which was far more deserving than Hurt Locker? Point is animated films get snubbed all the times. In all the Oscar years, animated films have only been nominated three times and Pixar made two of them. Let alone them actually winning for once.
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I haven't seen either top contenders for best picture and really only saw 'The Help'…Getting a new apartment and fiancee really straps te wallet...
I thought 'The Help' was a really enjoyable film myself, why didn't you like it TLS?
Because for a movie about black people, it was terribly racist and no one seemed to notice.
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The most boring list of nominees in years.
Nah, I think that was last years slate, honestly.
@Thousand:
Okay bad example. How about Up, which was far more deserving than Hurt Locker imo. Point is animated films get snubbed all the times. Hell, Pixar films are the only ones that ever even get a shot.
Up might have stood more of a chance if the whole film was even. I think dogs flying airplanes was too much for the academy. I know for me the whole climax sequence was bad. Knocked the movie down from a 9 to about a 7 for me.
Now, the first 10 minutes of up should have been entered in one of the Short categories, because it was phenomenal.
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Explain the two foreign films being nominated then.
They paid to be on the ballot?
There was no Miyazaki movie this year?
its the one category where they can get away with foreign films other than the foreign films category?
@Sonic:
What years are you referring to when an animated movie should have won best picture? Because I can't think of any.
Beauty and the Beast, Up, and Toy Story 3 have all been nominated for Best Picture. While Up isn't as nearly strong as the other two, (Brilliant first 10 minutes, then it falls apart in its second half) and the strength of TS3 was hugely dependent on the 15 years of build the first two movies loaned to it… (Its NOT that strong on its own. It's really not.)
B&tB should have beaten Silence of the Lambs.
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@Thousand:
Last year's Toy Story 3 for example?
@RobbyBevard:
B&tB should have beaten Silence of the Lambs.
I don't doubt that they're good movies (seen 'em, loved 'em), but the best movie of their respective years? No offense, but lol.
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Beauty and the Beast is my favourite animated movie of all time, but Silence of the Lambs is far and away the better film.
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Toy Story 3 was better than The King's Speech though (as were other movies nominated that year).
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Beauty and the Beast is my favourite animated movie of all time, but Silence of the Lambs is far and away the better film.
I don't know about you, but I can't hum a single tune from Silence of the Lambs.
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That's why BatB sweeped the categories devoted to catchy music.
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@Thousand:
Because for a movie about black people, it was terribly racist and no one seemed to notice.
It was set in a time were racism was rampant…that was the whole point of the story. Really don't want to start a fight, but most of that was needed to set the time frame of the setting.
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It was set in a time were racism was rampant…that was the whole point of the story. Really don't want to start a fight, but most of that was needed to set the time frame of the setting.
No you miss the point entirely. My problem isn't that it delved into the issue of racism. It's the opposite, my problem is it sugar coated it to such an extent. Rather than being a deep, provocative look into the terrible things black people went through during that time, it swept it all under the rug to instead focus on the white people and make some silly feel good dreck about how not all white people were bad and not to mention reinforced the stereotype of a black person's role in life was being in servitude to the white man. It's not the daring, bold movie that challenges audiences about racial issues like it's being purported to be, it's some silly muck made for white people to feel better about themselves making them think "See,we weren't all that bad!" and irresponsibly implies that white people were the cause of breaking down racial segregation rather than simply being the cause of it.
You can read this for more information.
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I don't doubt that they're good movies (seen 'em, loved 'em), but the best movie of their respective years? No offense, but lol.
Pretty much yeah.
But then I also happen to feel that Up is vastly superior to both Beauty and the Beast and Toy Story 3.
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This year had a great array of films, infact i would say it is one of the better years, and hopefully 2012 will become even better.
The Help
Hugo,
The Artist,
Harry Potter,
Money Ball,
War Horse (I guess thats just my British side, but a great movie),
pirate of the Caribbean 4,
The hangover 2,
Mission impossible,
Kung Fu panda 2,
Big Mama (hmmmmmm well maybe No)
Red Riding Hood
The Lincoln Lawyer
The Kings Speech
Hoodwinked 3
X men
Bad teacher (It was Entertaining)
Horrible bosses
Cowboys and aliens
Transformers 4
The devils double (Holy shit what a movie)
30 minutes or less
The inbetweeners movie
The Lion King
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Inglorious Basterds should have won Best Picture instead of the Hurt Locker. The only reason I was okay with the Hurt Locker winning was because it beat Avatar. And it was made by James Cameron's ex wife.
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Inglorious Basterds should have won Best Picture instead of the Hurt Locker. The only reason I was okay with the Hurt Locker winning was because it beat Avatar. And it was made by James Cameron's ex wife.
Probably the reason why Hurt Locker won all those awards in the first place because it certainly didn't deserve half of them. Best picture is one thing but best writing? Seriously?
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@bartholemew:
This year had a great array of films, infact i would say it is one of the better years, and hopefully 2012 will become even better.
The Help
Hugo,
The Artist,
Harry Potter,
Money Ball,
War Horse (I guess thats just my British side, but a great movie),
pirate of the Caribbean 4,
The hangover 2,
Mission impossible,
Kung Fu panda 2,
Big Mama (hmmmmmm well maybe No)
Red Riding Hood
The Lincoln Lawyer
The Kings Speech
Hoodwinked 3
X men
Bad teacher (It was Entertaining)
Horrible bosses
Cowboys and aliens
Transformers 4
The devils double (Holy shit what a movie)
30 minutes or less
The inbetweeners movie
The Lion King
There are more but i can't be bothered writing themOnly half of these movies are worth watching imo.
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Toy Story 3 was better than The King's Speech though (as were other movies nominated that year).
Toy Story 3 was great, but it took itself a little too seriously.
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@Thousand:
No you miss the point entirely. My problem isn't that it delved into the issue of racism. It's the opposite, my problem is it sugar coated it to such an extent. Rather than being a deep, provocative look into the terrible things black people went through during that time, it swept it all under the rug to instead focus on the white people and make some silly feel good dreck about how not all white people were bad and not to mention reinforced the stereotype of a black person's role in life was being in servitude to the white man. It's not the daring, bold movie that challenges audiences about racial issues like it's being purported to be, it's some silly muck made for white people to feel better about themselves making them think "See,we weren't all that bad!" and irresponsibly implies that white people were the cause of breaking down racial segregation rather than simply being the cause of it.
You can read this for more information.
Mmmh, fine, perhapse i didnt understand where you were coming from…didn't stop me from enjoying it though...
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Also, I am one of many people who believes that Dances with Wolves winning over Goodfellas is one of the biggest robberies in the history of the Oscars in both best director and best movie
Agreed.
War Horse was a good movie, but it's definitely not BEst Picture material by any stretch of the imagination.
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Also thought Harry Potter deserved a nom in the Best Picture, I mean they always choose these boring ass movies that nobody's ever seen!
Also you're a moron.
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Wait, Dances with Wolves won Best Picture over Goodfellas? It was before I was born but still, yikes.
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Inglorious Basterds should have won Best Picture instead of the Hurt Locker. The only reason I was okay with the Hurt Locker winning was because it beat Avatar. And it was made by James Cameron's ex wife.
Eh. Hurt Locker was good enough to get it but I don't even think Inglorious Basterds should've been up there by Academy standards. I don't agree with those standards but they nominate films like that in catagories like that it just seems like more bone throwing because we all know they're not going to win or even come close. All in all it was fun and well made but hardly contender for best picture especially when you put it up against something like A Serious Man.
Up didn't belong up there either imo like many people have said it's most memorable moments occur within the first 10 minutes or so and after that it's still a good movie but it doesn't pull you in as well as Nemo, TS, or even The Incredibles.
Black Swan was better than King's Speech, Social Network, or Toy Story 3.
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Up is completely awesome and I will fight all of AP about this until I die.
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Why would the fuck would Transformers get nominated for literally anything other than the razzies?
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@Monkey:
Up is completely awesome and I will fight all of AP about this until I die.
Who didn't like Up? That is one of Pixar's best films….
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Why would the fuck would Transformers get nominated for literally anything other than the razzies?
Well, it's a technical thing. The movie has some pretty good sound mixing.
It's a bit like last year, when The Wolfman won an Oscar (which was deserved) even though it was a pretty bad movie.
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@Monkey:
Also you're a moron.
Classy. Keep acting big behind that computer screen bro.
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In all honesty your comment was pretty dumb. I wouldn't necessarily sum up your entire existence as moronic, but I mean, come on, man.
The only people who have never heard of these movies are people who make absolutely zero effort to keep up with film. As bad as the Oscars can be, it's not just a big orgy for blockbuster success stories. There's a lot of shit, but they do try to keep a vein of artistic merit in the whole program.
On top of that you call a bunch of things you've never heard of boring… uhh....
I've heard the new Harry Potter was pretty good, but regardless of how good of a conclusion for the series it was, it IS Harry Potter. Fun, but never film of the year material.
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@Monkey:
Up is completely awesome and I will fight all of AP about this until I die.
Oh, if there is any Up bashing in MY presence, someone is getting a mother fucking bear beating.
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havent seen many of the films in the best picture catagory so i cant really comment there but in best animated feature im really disappointed that Arriety hasnt even got a nomination, sure it's no 'my neighbour totoro' but it was still very good. I just cant believe that the acadamy is seriously suggesting that Kung Fu Panda 2 deserves a nomination and Arriety doesnt! btw i dont think kung fu panda 2 was shit by any means but hopefully you get my point that arriety was better.
Also really disappointed that Senna didnt get nominated for anything! a really fantastic film about a man with a fantastic life.
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On top of that you call a bunch of things you've never heard of boring… uhh....
Who says I never watched any of those films? Did I say that? Moneyball, The Descendents, Extremely Loud Incredibly Close all I have watched all have bored the hell out of me. Great acting sure, but boring ass films. I don't dispute The Artist or Hugo though…enjoyed those.
Next time don't assume things. I wasn't pulling shit out of my ass.
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I've heard the new Harry Potter was pretty good, but regardless of how good of a conclusion for the series it was, it IS Harry Potter. Fun, but never film of the year material.
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he hugged draco
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If you ask me if I enjoyed Harry Potter more than those films I mentioned then yes I did, infact anybody who says otherwise is lying straight through their teeth.
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New Harry Potter sucks
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If you ask me if I enjoyed Harry Potter more than those films I mentioned then yes I did, infact anybody who says otherwise is lying straight through their teeth.
why the fuck did you even bother saying "a bunch of boring ass movies that nobody's ever seen" then? why the fact that the movies don't appeal to the seething pop masses is somehow affecting your enjoyment of the film is going right over my head. why does it matter if no one has seen it if you have? aren't you the one interpreting and judging the movie?
also lol at you trying to somehow claim that Harry Potter has objective superiority over the rest of the movies on this list
that is really lol. I personally strongly dislike the Harry Potter franchise and I was just trying to be conscientious to other people's nostalgia and taste by the amount of people who loved the last movie, but honestly, it's Harry Potter. Please don't try and make it anything more than the average story it is. It works as a children's series that can be enjoyed by all ages, but it's really dumb when people try to write it out as a modern fiction epic.
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why the fuck did you even bother saying "a bunch of boring ass movies that nobody's ever seen" then?
Because thats my way of fucking describing the movies. Others opinions didn't affect my view on them. I watched them and came to the conclusion that these films are boring as fuck. Then instead of listing them all I described them as a whole.
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Anyways people have differing opinions and I respect that. I don't wanna keep going about this so I'll leave it at that.
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If you ask me if I enjoyed Harry Potter more than those films I mentioned then yes I did, infact anybody who says otherwise is lying straight through their teeth.
Just because you enjoy something more doesn't make it better.
Especially on a personal level, because if this was the case, Transformers would have been a better movie than The Social Network. But even though I enjoy the first Transformers film more than The Social Network, I know that The Social Network is by far the better film. It's not even in question.Remember, on a consensus level, all the best movies have to be at least somewhat entertaining, but not all the most entertaining movies are the best.
Just because something can be highly entertaining for 90 minutes doesn't mean that it's technically great, or even good, in any way.
And Technicality is what the academy looks for.
For fear of repeating myself, I'll stop here, as I've already discussed this in this thread.
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Who didn't like Up? That is one of Pixar's best films….
Oh, if there is any Up bashing in MY presence, someone is getting a mother fucking bear beating.
Pretty sure we've been over this, but it's not that anyone here dislikes Up, it's just that some people don't like it as much as Zeph.
Personally, I saw it was a pretty phenomenal movie overall (better than Toy Story 3). First 10 minutes nothing. That movie is practically flawless for at least the first 45 minutes. After that, yeah, I can see where people are coming from. Yes, the Muntz stuff was handled a little awkwardly, but I also understood the meaning behind it.
And ask yourself this: Are dogs in fighter planes really that much more ridiculous than anthropomorphic furniture fighting a French mob? (well, okay, maybe a little).
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Classy. Keep acting big behind that computer screen bro.
The furious Canadian rage of forums user "Waffles" and his dumbass movie taste.
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Pretty sure we've been over this, but it's not that anyone here dislikes Up, it's just that some people don't like it as much as Zeph.
Personally, I saw it was a pretty phenomenal movie overall (better than Toy Story 3). First 10 minutes nothing. That movie is practically flawless for at least the first 45 minutes. After that, yeah, I can see where people are coming from. Yes, the Muntz stuff was handled a little awkwardly, but I also understood the meaning behind it.
And ask yourself this: Are dogs in fighter planes really that much more ridiculous than anthropomorphic furniture fighting a French mob? (well, okay, maybe a little).
Muntz looking younger than our curmudgeon aside, I thought it was pretty good…
I'll say this now, I believe that Up is a bit better than Toy Story 3. For me, TS3 was a giant nostalgia trip, but that was pretty much it. It was a great movie, and there really wasn't anything wrong with it, but Up had a fresh appeal to it and have to say if TS3 didn't have the nostalgia factor behind it, Up would be my favorite...
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@Monkey:
Up is completely awesome and I will fight all of AP about this until I die.
Who didn't like Up? That is one of Pixar's best films….
Oh, if there is any Up bashing in MY presence, someone is getting a mother fucking bear beating.
As subtle and emotional and great as the first half was, the villain was lacking.
The dogs flying planes doensn't make or break it for me, the first time I saw the movie I laughed at the absurdity of them upping the ante and appearing in planes all of a sudden. So I dunno, I guess it works.
Its still an 85% great movie. And the first 45 minutes are perfect.
And ask yourself this: Are dogs in fighter planes really that much more ridiculous than anthropomorphic furniture fighting a French mob? (well, okay, maybe a little).
What bothers people I think, is that its an extra tip over of silliness in the midst of the climax. They'd been completely ordinary dogs up till then. Well trained, and able to talk, but not handle complex machinery and hold objects like a steering wheel, and manipulate weapons a human. (Though I suppose they could pour drinks and serve hotdogs.)
The anthropomorphic furniture was there within the first 10 minutes of B&tB and was well established as part of the world. If the dogs had done something else that crazy and established that level of anthropomorphizing 30 minutes earlier, it would have made all the difference to the audience and been less jarring. Maybe riding around in little mini tanks or something.
But hey. Ratatouille is my favorite movie of the lot and that one asks that you accept a mouse can pilot a man by tugging on his hair. The trick is it does it early and thats one of the main plot points.
im really disappointed that Arriety hasnt even got a nomination,
Arriety came out in 2010.