Just read the chapter and it was so-so. Kinda dissappointing tbh. The only decent thing that came out of it was seeing Caribou getting his ass handed to him (despite of it not being in the way that I hoped and imagened which pissed me the hell off quite a bit but whatever). Hope the next chapter will be waaaaaay better.
Chapter 652: "Grim Prospects Ahead" -Discussion
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i'm sure it has been mentioned already somewhere , but considering captain is lower than vice admiral doesn't that mean tashigi has NO haki to begin with? (and i mean full control over it)
smoker now being a vice admiral means he should have haki now.
and this chapter brings us to the question of how powerful IS luffy compared to the new world pirates, with pekoms having atleast coa haki, doesn't that make luffy pretty standard if the rest of big mom's crew is also like that?
let alone other pirate groups in the new world (yonkou included)
pekoms made clear having a logia means nothing in the new world…Having haki is a prerequisite for being a VA not the other way around. The doctor said all the VA's had Haki not that only VA's and up have Haki. Since captain's and up usually know about haki it's likely that others have it as well or at least are starting to train in it. Her being a captain has nothing to do with her learning haki since she's well above captain level anyway. Not to mention Coby has it and from the coverstories it's not silly to think they have made contact with them. Also she's usually with smoker most of the time so if he learned Haki he probably taught some to his number one subordinate or she picked some up from watching him.
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i'm sure it has been mentioned already somewhere , but considering captain is lower than vice admiral doesn't that mean tashigi has NO haki to begin with? (and i mean full control over it)
smoker now being a vice admiral means he should have haki now.
and this chapter brings us to the question of how powerful IS luffy compared to the new world pirates, with pekoms having atleast coa haki, doesn't that make luffy pretty standard if the rest of big mom's crew is also like that?
let alone other pirate groups in the new world (yonkou included)
pekoms made clear having a logia means nothing in the new world…He didn't say that being a Logia means nothing, he only implied that morons who happened to stumble upon a Logia won't make it in the NW, opposed to paradise.
As how strong Luffy is compared to NW pirates…well, we will see. I'm pretty sure Smoker will bring him down to earth, like he always did. No crushing defeat or capture or whatever, just showing him that beating up rookies like Caribou and Hodi can't be compared to the likes of him and the majority of the NW.Now I know that half the forum will jump on me because of the "sacred 2 year timeskip", but Luffy stomping through the NW because of a mere 2 years just doesn't seem right. I interpret the ts as a necessity to not get utterly crushed in the NW, instead of a preparation phase to rofl through it.
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@Gia:
Remeber that zoro has cut cannonballs in half before the timeskip.
True, but that is far less impressive than what Tashigi did. I think that Tashigi can cut a cannon ball which isn't that impressive but Oda decided to show us something much more interesting and more impressive. I mean even he subordinates can stop cannon balls but what she did was more similar to what Mihawk did back in eastblue.
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@Don:
Caribous whole purpose so far was to demonstrate that the NW definitely is too much for people who just have a strong DF (at least to go against anyone with a name). He got completely owned so many times now with one hit, what makes us just aware that the two years of training were at the right moment.
@Don:
Even when Peckoms isn`t first or second mate he still is one of the few who we will see in an actual 1vs1 fight in the end.
I would say we already saw 40-50% of the important fighters in Big Mums crew and the rest will be just fodder like WB also had so many beside his commanders.
So i agree with Juvar that Peckoms is at least under the top 8 fighters in Big Mums crew and by that far away from standart.:wassat: I'm confused… You quoted me and then basically made my point a few points later
My whole point was the same as yours. It's silly to assume that Pekoms is just a random average fighter on Big Mom's crew. Considering what we've seen of Admirals, Warlords, and Emperors' crews via WB, I'm not expecting everyone on Big Mom's crew to be a haki user.
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Swing and another miss. My point is not why doesn't Moriah have Haki. It is more about how unbelievable it is beginning to seem that Moriah could ever challenge a Yonkou and presumably his crew if the Yonkou have subordinates as strong as Pekom who aren't even the elites of the crew. Even if Moriah in peak physical condition himself could dope himself up with shadows to face Kaidou head-to-head it now seems farfetched his crew could handle Kaidou's on their own if Pekom is a glance at the standard level of power among note-worthy NW pirates.
I understand exactly where you're coming from. My angle is that it is very believable that Moriah and his crew battled an emperor especially since Moriah's entire crew was killed off. We don't know the specifics, I suppose Moriah's old mates could have been skilled enough to take on Kaidou's guys fairly evenly, but the bottom line is they all died. His Shadow ability was apparently just enough for him to challenge the top of the world, but not enough to succeed.
As for guys like Croc making it into the new world, judging by his performance in the war, it appears to me his experience allows him to keep moving ahead. Every opponent he met he seemed to understand/not fear in the slightest. Yet it was clear even White Beards subordinates could hold him back. The main fighters in an emperors crew seem completely fit to handle war lords and other big shots. But there was plenty of fodder from the new world a well. Certainly there are plenty of Pekoms level guys, but I think some people think every named character is going to be like that. We know that's not true after the rolling pirates or the war.
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:wassat: I'm confused… You quoted me and then basically made my point a few points later
My whole point was the same as yours. It's silly to assume that Pekoms is just a random average fighter on Big Mom's crew. Considering what we've seen of Admirals, Warlords, and Emperors' crews via WB, I'm not expecting everyone on Big Mom's crew to be a haki user.
Ohh i wasn`t quoting you because i wanted to say something against it.
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People seem to overestimating Pekoms. He might have a bounty of 333 million Beli but that is still nothing when compared to Luffy, who was inactive for 2 years, at 400 million Beli. The monster trio + Jinbei could easily dispense with him without much trouble. In fact even Franky or Brooke might be a challenge for him.
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People seem to overestimating Pekoms. He might have a bounty of 333 million Beli but that is still nothing when compared to Luffy, who was inactive for 2 years, at 400 million Beli. The monster trio + Jinbei could easily dispense with him without much trouble. In fact even Franky or Brooke might be a challenge for him.
To be honest I think any one of the Straw Hat's could out right defeat him.
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People seem to overestimating Pekoms. He might have a bounty of 333 million Beli but that is still nothing when compared to Luffy, who was inactive for 2 years, at 400 million Beli. The monster trio + Jinbei could easily dispense with him without much trouble. In fact even Franky or Brooke might be a challenge for him.
Luffy got a 400kk bounty back when he was nothing compared to Pekoms. Becomes one shot a supernova without even using his full abilty, He still has a sword. Since he most likely doesn't have a crew or haev done anything to outrageous i'd say that his 330kk bounty is much more impressive than Luffy's or Jenbe's. Though bounties don't mean much in the new world.
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To be honest I think any one of the Straw Hat's could out right defeat him.
Really? Any of them huh…
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Who exactly is Mumbo?
It's OFFICIAL, UsoppXNami 4ever.
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@E7x:
Luffy got a 400kk bounty back when he was nothing compared to Pekoms. Becomes one shot a supernova without even using his full abilty, He still has a sword. Since he most likely doesn't have a crew or haev done anything to outrageous i'd say that his 330kk bounty is much more impressive than Luffy's or Jenbe's. Though bounties don't mean much in the new world.
Not really because, (A. You do not know if he had a crew, like Ace, prior to joining a Yonko or (B. that he earned his bounty while rummaging the sea's in the name(and protection) of Charlot Linn.
You can not take anything away from his fight with Coribou because even Franky was able to detain Coribou while the Monster trio were lost under the sea after their fight with the Kraken.
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@Sonic:
Even Vivi would win against that abomination.
No need for the princess. Carue would make Pekoms his bitch.
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No need for the princess. Carue would make Pekoms his bitch.
Not even Carue, Luffy's animal soldiers from the 2years training island can wipe the floor with Pekoms.
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Really? Any of them huh…
I feel like Nami, Brook, and Usopp have so many tricks up their sleeves they would fair well. The monster trio are given, Franky and Chopper could probably handle him too. Robin is the only one I really question. Maybe not out right defeat but I bet any of the straw hat's would give him a good fight.
The crews post time skip abilities are new world ready. Unless Pekoms is the right hand of Big Mom i'm certain when it finally comes down to it any one of them will be able to meet him head on. It will be what a weeks time or so before they are scheduled to actually make it to Big Mom? If they indeed fight without any Lola plot interruptions, Pekoms and everyone else around his skill will be handled most definitely in 1vs1 match ups.
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Yeah,Pekoms and Tomoga might be strong,but maybe not Commander-level cause there are others even stringer,with better devil fruits and stronger haki and better techniques.
If Oda put this much effort into making Pekoms,cant wait to see the higher-ups in the big mom pirates.
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In my eyes Peckoms may not be monster-trio material(even when he could have similar role like Blueno) but for Franky or Jinbe he would be a good opponent.
The rest of the crew i see in a disadvantage against him, mainly because he seems like a real fighter which you have to conter with power and the others need more someone who uses tricks or techniques which they can overcome during a fight. -
Not really because, (A. You do not know if he had a crew, like Ace, prior to joining a Yonko or (B. that he earned his bounty while rummaging the sea's in the name(and protection) of Charlot Linn.
You can not take anything away from his fight with Coribou because even Franky was able to detain Coribou while the Monster trio were lost under the sea after their fight with the Kraken.
One hitting a supernova is impressive much more impressive than a bounty of 330 mill. Your right I can't say that he didn't get the bounty in a past expedition but it doesn't matter. Him having a bounty of 330 million is pretty much like Boa having a bounty of 80 million in terms of how useless it is. IMO he's just a messenger who raised little attention from he government but still he's pretty strong.
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Considering his personality shown so far, he seems like an opponent for Chopper. Chopper tends to fight "wacky" enemies, and also has a tendency to fight shapeshifters of some sort. Besides, I want to test Chopper's Monster Point hooves against Pekom's shell.
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Swing and another miss. My point is not why doesn't Moriah have Haki. It is more about how unbelievable it is beginning to seem that Moriah could ever challenge a Yonkou and presumably his crew if the Yonkou have subordinates as strong as Pekom who aren't even the elites of the crew. Even if Moriah in peak physical condition himself could dope himself up with shadows to face Kaidou head-to-head it now seems farfetched his crew could handle Kaidou's on their own if Pekom is a glance at the standard level of power among note-worthy NW pirates.
What's so bad about Moria not knowing haki.This was like,more than 10 years ago the this happened.And maybe Moria got his big bounty by killing people in the first half,like Kid and Law.
Anyway,why would he need to know it?So whats the big concern?
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Was Kaidou even a Yonkou at the time when both of them clashed? I was never clear on that. In fact, it was never really stated if he was a Yonkou. It just says, Moriah was defeated by Kaidou the Yonkou. But he's presently a Yonkou, so why wouldn't he state his title? For all we know, they could have been competing pirates (ex: Supernovas of their time), and Kaidou became Yonkou later on. It's not even clear when they clashed… If Kaidou is relatively old, and he's been a Yonkou for over 20 years, then I'll agree with this causing a problem.
As for Pekoms, can't we just state that he's around the strength of those WB Commanders, more or less? Even during the war, it seemed as if some of those Commanders didn't know how to use haki like the most elite fighters did (ex: Marco). It would be insane if at least some or most of those Commanders couldn't take out Caribou like Pekoms did. My assumption is that Pekoms and Tamago are just two great fighters that were sent through special orders to FI, being that it's near G-5 Base, so that they won't fail to deliver their monthly shipments of candy in those rough seas. It may be possible that Pekoms' or Tamago's strength is a rare case amongst Big Mam's pirate/combatant fighters. Even for Big Mam to know their names exclusively, must put them first above her army of pirates.
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Not a bad chapter, but I don't like how some things weren't explained like exactly how Luffy went about giving the treasure to Big Mam's men. You'd think naturally as a pirate (and being very aware of a pirate's nature) Luffy would have done his best to keep the treasure somehow. They showed that pirate attitude in Skypiea. Doesn't make sense, unless Luffy felt he needed to give Big Mam gold to rid the debt he has after eating her candy.
Pekoms is a badman.
Not quite sure about Jinbe and his situation either. We at least know where Aladdin is now lol. But what I don't get is that Jinbe's crew are part of Big Mam's name. When did this happen? Why wasn't Jinbe's crew part of Whitebeard's name when he was the one protecting Fishman Island? They weren't at the war. But I guess this gives Jinbe a plotline of his own if he does join the SHs.
Tashigi looks quite similar really, just taller and longer hair. Smoker's got the sunglasses swag on lock down. This is his moment… every time he's faught Luffy he always let's him slip. Hancock saved Luffy at the war, Smoker had to let Luffy go in debt of his life being saved in Alabasta, Ace delayed Smoker's chase also in Alabasta, and Dragon pretty much blew the whole of Loguetown away just to help Luffy escape. Smoker has always been stronger, but has been curious about Luffy since he smiled on the platform. Luffy can fight back now, this could be a long fight... didn't expect it so early. Actually saying that, what I also don't get is the fact that G-5 is close to the Red Line (assuming this because Smoker is around there). Isn't the Marine HQs the main base on that side of the Red Line?
EDIT: Caribou is talking about Doflamingo. I'd bet on that. Doflamingo is a major Grand Line pimp.
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@E7x:
Having haki is a prerequisite for being a VA not the other way around. The doctor said all the VA's had Haki not that only VA's and up have Haki. Since captain's and up usually know about haki it's likely that others have it as well or at least are starting to train in it. Her being a captain has nothing to do with her learning haki since she's well above captain level anyway. Not to mention Coby has it and from the coverstories it's not silly to think they have made contact with them. Also she's usually with smoker most of the time so if he learned Haki he probably taught some to his number one subordinate or she picked some up from watching him.
why would anyone above vice admiral NOT have haki? unless you seriously can't bring it out there is no reason why anyone above vice admiral wouldn't use it…
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Smoker is back yes!
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Why are people so happy with Smoker being back?
Moria could've saved this horrendous Arc!
Moria the Great…
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why would anyone above vice admiral NOT have haki? unless you seriously can't bring it out there is no reason why anyone above vice admiral wouldn't use it…
that would be like choosing to fight with a knife when you could have a gun...…
He is not saying people above VA doesn't have Haki, he is saying that people below VA can have it as well. And that's pretty obvious, since you need to have Haki to become at least a VA, it means you need to have prior to becoming one.
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Why are people so happy with Smoker being back?
Moria could've saved this horrendous Arc!
Beka is back.
But I agree Moria has to appear soon
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@E7x:
One hitting a supernova is impressive much more impressive than a bounty of 330 mill. Your right I can't say that he didn't get the bounty in a past expedition but it doesn't matter. Him having a bounty of 330 million is pretty much like Boa having a bounty of 80 million in terms of how useless it is. IMO he's just a messenger who raised little attention from he government but still he's pretty strong.
Actually, one-shotting Caribou is not that big of a deal. So far, Caribou has shown absolutely no fighting skill whatsoever, and for all we know the only reason he has a bounty of 210 million is because he's a Logia (and therefore basically impossible for most people in Paradise to hit) and he's famous for killing Marines. Anyone with Haki and basic combat proficiency should be able to take him out.
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@$abZ:
what I also don't get is the fact that G-5 is close to the Red Line (assuming this because Smoker is around there). Isn't the Marine HQs the main base on that side of the Red Line?
The new Marine HQ is somewhere near the Red Line on the side of the "New World" portion of the Grand Line but remember that the Grand Line isn't exactly that thin, there are several paths to travel with their own set of islands. The HQ could be on path A while G-5 is path C or E, then one could be on first island of that path while the other is on the 3rd island of their own path.
In East Blue, we know of the marine base in Shell Town where Lufy fought Axe-Hand Morgan and begining of timeskip, Garp arrived at luffy's home, Dawn Island, to create a new base to train new marines. Now Luffy traved from his village to Shell Town in a very small boat, more like a dingy, so we know they are not too far apart from each other. So its believeable to having two bases in a one-day journey from the Red Ling in New World side of the Grand line.
… although I think that the HQ is not exactly next to it, from the image was shown the new location is about the same distance from the Red Line as the old HQ was . http://www.mangareader.net/103-57801-9/one-piece/chapter-598.html yeah in that image it looks like its next to the Red Line, but we saw the original Marineford, we never see a hint of the Red Line. So its near, but not next to it.
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Why are people so happy with Smoker being back?
Moria could've saved this horrendous Arc!
I guess we aren't ready yet for his return.
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Semi-random question: Did Smoker's Cigars always say "MARINE" on them?
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So, If G-5 is at the red line, And are interrogating pirates that just got out of fishman island,Then How did Pekoms and Tamago get to fishman island?
Is it because they are messangers of a younkou that they let them through cuz they don't want to cause trouble with Big Mam ,But I don't think Smoker is the kind of guy to allow that. -
So, If G-5 is at the red line, And are interrogating pirates that just got out of fishman island,Then How did Pekoms and Tamago get to fishman island?
Is it because they are messangers of a younkou that they let them through cuz they don't want to cause trouble with Big Mam ,But I don't think Smoker is the kind of guy to allow that.I guess they arrived from underwater so they didn't have to face the Marines.
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Actually, one-shotting Caribou is not that big of a deal. So far, Caribou has shown absolutely no fighting skill whatsoever, and for all we know the only reason he has a bounty of 210 million is because he's a Logia (and therefore basically impossible for most people in Paradise to hit) and he's famous for killing Marines. Anyone with Haki and basic combat proficiency should be able to take him out.
Basically, yes.
Caribou is the New World Buggy (or even worse, because Buggy is too proud to be DoFlamingo's bootlicker)
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I was very impressed with Tashigi.. I guess it wasn't only the Straw Hat Pirates who got stronger over two years
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It looks like G5 is near the part sea where the those who enter NW via Fishman, and I suspect that the new marine HQ is situated or connected to the path that exits from Marijoa.
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I wonder if Smoker has learned haki as well. During his fight with Boa it seems he was surprised someone could actually hit him, no doubt he has learned new techniques to combat it or avoid haki users slightly.
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Of course he should know how to use Haki. It was stated that to become a Vice Admiral, you must be able to use Haki and we know Smoker is now a Vice Admiral so that mean he know how to use Haki or the Fleet Admiral changed that but I highly doubt the Fleet Admiral would do that.
He can just combat Haki with his Haki.
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Raw is out. Pekoms' line is "Ho~ his bounty is already over 200,000,000."
Case closed (should've been closed from the start…).Any other disputable points that need clarifying?
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I have one CCC, how do you really type his name? I've seen Pecoms, Pekoms, Bekoms, Becoms, Bocoms & Bokoms. Which one is right?
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Pekoms
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So, If G-5 is at the red line, And are interrogating pirates that just got out of fishman island,Then How did Pekoms and Tamago get to fishman island?
Is it because they are messangers of a younkou that they let them through cuz they don't want to cause trouble with Big Mam ,But I don't think Smoker is the kind of guy to allow that.Yeah,I can see that being the case.Probably the G5 marines see their ship,and are all like 'damn,it's them…if we attack and disrupt Big Mom's candy delivery,she'll unlease her anger on us....Stand down and don't attack"
The case with the yonkou and marines is like a cold war/nuclear situation.You don't go out of your way to attack and anger these type if people and having their attention focused on you.
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I wonder if Smoker has learned haki as well. During his fight with Boa it seems he was surprised someone could actually hit him, no doubt he has learned new techniques to combat it or avoid haki users slightly.
I got the impression that he knew of haki during the war. What surprised him was that Hancock had haki and the strenght of it.
haki.http://www.mangareader.net/103-34399-13/one-piece/chapter-559.html On reading the page, it seems he didnt realize that she had haki at first since he asked 'how did she hit me' but a few panels later he said " Is this the Kuja haki?!"
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It was more like he knew it existed but had never experienced it.
BTW, the only problem I'm getting with this discussion is the premises you are using:
1-Having Haki makes you a beast.
2-Not having Haki= Pushover newb.And we have no reason to believe in that.
So Moria could've fought Kaidou with his Hax akuma no mi. Its not like Haki nullifies the shadow Doppleganger so he would be difficulter than a Logia, especially if he wasn't just lying on a bridge letting his shadow do the job and actually fought alongside it. I bet he had badass lizard like attacks at a smaller scale, like the one he threw at Oars.
Also he fought Kaidou and LOST, and his crew got anniquilated. And I don't think it was a 10 day long fight…Also Crocodile could pretty well be a Silver Medallist. Pretty much all of the proeficient Haki users are in Yonkou crews. And judging by simply seeing the attacks and how he could deal with those big shots, Crocodile wouldn't come out that bad. That is if he managed to mantain a distance. Its not like Crocodile is dead slow.
Still this is meaningless discussion as we are all getting an insight in power level's in some short amount of time. And I'm sure we will see some cool fights with no Haki, as well as cool flashy all out Haki battles with invisible blasts being predicted 100 seconds earlier and both parties storming them until one got hit.
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Silly people. He's a VA now, knowing Haki is a prerequisite. 'course he knows it.
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the concept of haki should be further explained by ODA cos i dont get why luffy's haki is diffident from the previous three admiral and the dark king and why the admirals' haki and rayglieh's are the same
eg like when luffy uses haki his body turn black or grey but when the other use it it is like they are emitting some kind of force field.
people might say luffy is vulcanizing his body or wat not but why is it diffident from others
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I hope Hina plays a bigger roll in the new world/ Or we get to see more of her. She was just at the end of the Alabasta arc, IIRC.
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the concept of haki should be further explained by ODA cos i dont get why luffy's haki is diffident from the previous three admiral and the dark king and why the admirals' haki and rayglieh's are the same
eg like when luffy uses haki his body turn black or grey but when the other use it it is like they are emitting some kind of force field.
people might say luffy is vulcanizing his body or wat not but why is it diffident from othersThat's because Luffy is a rubber man. He vulcanizes because he's made of rubber. Rayleigh and the admirals aren't made of rubber. Besides we saw Luffy use Haki without vulcanizing when he 1hitKO'd the pacifista on Sabaody.
