Smoker managed to become even more badass. Anything's possible.
Chapter 652: "Grim Prospects Ahead" -Discussion
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After seen Pekoms I'm starting to think the Straw Hats aren't strong enough…
I feel the same which means they still have a long way to go
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Hehe, I just commented on this a few posts above. :)
You never know what a minute of difference will create on these boards heh
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Mock turtle refernce for the win. That lion/turtle is amazing!
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Jinbei might lean towards joining, and while I was against it initially because we didnt know too much about him, it isnt bad. The new world is looking progressively more and more intense, and there's things going on at several places at a time.
Smoker reminded me of terminator when I saw him, I dont know. Maybe its the glasses.
And damn, those G-5 marines. Totally different from the marine corps we're used to seeing, but hey. They properly address Smoker atleast. x) -
I feel the same which means they still have a long way to go
After seen Pekoms I'm starting to think the Straw Hats aren't strong enough…
So, after 2 full years of training, you think the SHs aren't ready for the New World? So, you want them to go train some more…
Additionally, we know that Kidd (who's in a similar position to Luffy) has sunk two of Big Mom's ships. I think it's fair to assume the SHs can survive at least a few encounters in the New World.
Also, we don't know what Pekoms position is in Big Mom's crew. Using the war as an idea for haki usage, it was still very rare to see it being used in the New World. Additionally, just because someone possesses the ability to use haki doesn't instantly make them super strong. Similarly to how Oda is showing through Caribou being a jobber, that having a logia ability doesn't instantly equate to being invincible.
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So, after 2 full years of training, you think the SHs aren't ready for the New World? So, you want them to go train some more…
Additionally, we know that Kidd (who's in a similar position to Luffy) has sunk two of Big Mom's ships. I think it's fair to assume the SHs can survive at least a few encounters in the New World.
Also, we don't know what Pekoms position is in Big Mom's crew. Using the war as an idea for haki usage, it was still very rare to see it being used in the New World. Additionally, just because someone possesses the ability to use haki doesn't instantly make them super strong. Similarly to how Oda is showing through Caribou being a jobber, that having a logia ability doesn't instantly equate to being invincible.
We didnt really see any fighting in the war. (real fight) Of the whitebeard pirates, all of the commanders could have had it, the only one we saw fighting, vista, marco and jozu had it. The same with the allied captains, we saw none of them really fight against foes.
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Awesome chapter. Luffy's comment about "No matter who it is" freaking killed me hahaa. Luffy's explanation was fucking hilarious too.
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Excellent Chapter! Good to see that Tashgi got more powerful, but I dont like how Oda bascially gave her Nami's body shape, a usual critism of Oda and his female characters.
Either way, great to see Smoker back and Jinbe probably joining.
I don't know, there's actually moments before the TS where I think she had more of a similar body shape to Nami than she does now. But I see what you mean, the men are much more diverse. But that's probably because he tends to draw tonnes of messed-up looking guys. … We need some more insane-looking women... :ninja:
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I want to see if she still thinks Jinbe won't join the crew.
Nah…despite the salt that i'm throwing in her wounds, I must say that I really appreciate her posts and her drawings.
Definitely seems to be a very talented artist and also a notably smart person- although not so lucky with guesses... -
Great chapter, definitely worth the wait. Looks like Chimney moved on up, being in charge of the train station for at least one day of the week. Glad to see ol' Smokey again, now a Vice-Admiral, though it looks like he's been taking hair-styling tips from Crocodile. I was also thrilled to see Tashigi, who's been one of my favorite female characters ever since her introduction. I was quite pleased to see that she not only got an upgrade in looks, but also her swordsmanship. You're still blind as a bat ("[you] can't see a thing without [your] glasses!"), though, Tashigi, and I love it… <3
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We didnt really see any fighting in the war. (real fight) Of the whitebeard pirates, all of the commanders could have had it, the only one we saw fighting, vista, marco and jozu had it. The same with the allied captains, we saw none of them really fight against foes.
You mean the other Division Captains like this guy :ninja: There are more examples too, but I'll let you do your own research :)
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Exactly. At the time, it was such a huge deal that Blackbeard could touch a logia… but now? It's nothing. It makes him look like such a moron for spending his life to find that fruit, so I thought... maybe Blackbeard can't use Haki? Or maybe his affinity with Armament Haki is really weak? Of course there's more to his power, but the emphasis was on sealing an ability user. Well anyway, now he's Megaman, so the issue with his fruit being not so impressive is moot, but the bit about Ace? It makes no sense with what we know now, so that must have been before Oda had really decided on how Haki would work. Perhaps I'm reading too much into it.
well that comment of Blackbeard was strange from what we see now in the New World, but i see it like this:
its one thing hurting some logia with haki and other thing removing his ability. So when a Logia is hit by haki he is still the same "body wise", but he can be hurt, on the other hand, when Ace was affected by that ability the feeling was totally different.
Obv this could be just a plot hole, because it seems very unlikely for both Ace and BB to dont know a thing about Haki seeing that almost every Commander of WB had it… -
After seeing Pekoms's power, I become curious about how bad that 3-eyed girl could be. I'm more interested in her than Big Mom.
Smoker reminds me of what happened back in Loguetown. As I remember, that was the last town before they entered the first half of the Grand Line. Same thing happens here with FI, it is the last island before the SH get to the New World. So we may see some Dragon's actions again. I know, as in right now, Dragon appearing and helping Luffy are not necessarily needed but I just wanna see him …... He is awesome !
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That got me thinking, do you think some of the supernovas might ally themselves with the straw hats like Jinbei is with Big Mom? I think it would be interesting, and it'll help Luffy into becoming a Yonkou, even if he has no interest in being one.
Luffy would lecture them about following their own dreams, but as long as they wouldn't be on screen regularly and only made appearances here and there with importance to the plot it would be neat. Still it is all up to Oda.
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Hm, so we still have no confirmation that Luffy's haki is strong enough to harm logia's. Caribou didn't even know who knocked him out (caught off-guard like Alabasta Smoker), and Pekom's comment about "logias like him" says enough about his mastery.
There's just a little problem with your theory… Caribou screamed 'Mugiwara/Strawhat!" while in his swamp-like form right before getting punched out of Ryuugu Palace...so,in other words: he knew very well who attacked him and also,his ability was totally activated when he got hit.
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Jinbe might be a temp join like Vivi. Oda has said before that he wants the crew strength to be balanced so either the NW is full of ppl like Pekom who would give even Jinbe, a former Shichibukai, a run for his money or Jinbe is just going along with the SH to deal with Big Mam. If he does end up joining though he has a lot of information about the NW and pirates within kinda Robin in terms of usefulness outside of battle.
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There are also some confusing things about Jinbei. Basically, unless I am wrong, he kind of "gave" FI to big Mum, and I don't get why, Fishman Island was whitebeards territory and unless they were disbanded the Whitebeard pirates should be defending his territories, but Jinbei kind of ignored this and asked Big Mum for help?? I don't know something just doesn't add up, and why did Blackbeard allow Big Mum to take such a valuable and strategic territory, since he has apparently conquered most of the others, why did he leave FI alone long enough for Jinbei to make his deal with Big Mum?
Isn't jinbei leaving with the straw hats and inevitably going up against Big mum kind of make him become an oath breaker? because I am assuming the candy thing was part of the agreement that Jinbei obviously consented to, so him claiming to be going against Big Mum to me seems kind of out of character.@gotta<3OP:
To everyone who did not get Jinbei's reasoning:
Jinbei is wanted.
He can't stay in Fishman Island to protect it cause then he would get caught.
So they asked for Big Mam's help. She is wanted too, but we know it works different with younkou's and there was a whole arc explaining why.
And Jinbei's crew turned into her "ally".
Now Linlin is already pretty pissed off on Fishman Island, and to back it up Luffy waged war on her. Jinbei is also tired of serving under her and wants to join the strawhats, however is union with her is made by words, and tearing it may have unforseen consequences, that's the duty Jimbei had.
With Linlin's attention out of Fishman Island, and she targetting Luffy, Jinbei can join the Straw Hats and go to the New World with them so as to help them out with this situation. This might get Big Mom angry, but it is as the King said, now they have 70,000 soldiers. And there is a flag they can put up whenever they loose Big Mom's. And Jinbei is taking too much responsabilities to himself, he has to let go and have fun with the straw hats, without worrying.I'm interested to see his interections with his crew, tough. Its weird that he would live them like this, even tough it comes down to Franky Family's case.
Quoting my self is weird but I do think I was explicit enough.
He did not give up Fishman Island, he just couldn't protect it himself or he would get his ass back in Impel Down.
Black Beard left Fishman Island cause it was the entrance way, he must have passed through their before he was ready to start conquering territories, and I remember there were some troubles with San Juan and navigation.
And that is you making of your own version of Jinbei.
He is not the kind that respects any oath, he respects those who earned his respect. He wasn't even sure about helping out Luffy until he met him in person, even tough Ace asked him.
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And a simple occasional face faulting from someone with a serious demeanor, in my humble opinion, isn't unique enough a personality. Especially when you consider everyone else in the crew.
I -would- love for Jinbe to join, but I just don't see his qualifications at the moment.
@RobbyBevard:
He's got plenty of other quirks, check the next nakama thread if you want a full list. He's more serious than the others, which is in and of itself a personality trait.
Robin never facefaults at all, has a morbid sense of humor, and does not go along with anything exceedingly silly, does that mean she doesn't belong on the crew?
The arguements against Jinbe were nearly the same arguements against Robin joining way back after Arabastra arc. Many people said she was too serius or too dark for the crew. Yet she has fit quite well. Same applies for Jinbe, he seems too serious but he has his moments, we have not gotten to see it yet, after all most of what we seen of him is in heat of battle, ID, the war, Hodi's uprising, we only got to see a very few snipits of him him in non-battle time. We have seen him worry of what to name a stratagy plan and the others(I think Sanji??) yelled at him they didn't have time to worry about that.
Lets also remember part of a person's personality is how other respond to them. We have seen a hint of humorous reaction of another person (Hancock) to Jinbe right before the timeskip when she brought food for Luffy. If Jinbe has a big appetite then there could be other situations of the crew arguing over food.
Gloda knows what he is doing, if HE wants Jinbe on the crew then HE will create the persona for Jinbe to fit in the crew. We fans just need to wait for him to develop the character.
I don't know, there's actually moments before the TS where I think she had more of a similar body shape to Nami than she does now. But I see what you mean, the men are much more diverse. But that's probably because he tends to draw tonnes of messed-up looking guys. … We need some more insane-looking women… :ninja:
By insane, do you mean like Dr. Kureha, Elmy? http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Elmy Brocca http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Brocca ?
You mean the other Division Captains like this guy :ninja: There are more examples too, but I'll let you do your own research :)
We didn't really get to see Curiel in a real fight, only glances of action, not anything like we see of Marco, Jozu and Vista. That scene really doesn't count because the admirals were/are so much stronger than most of the comanders. He was no match against Akainu, but Curiel is not a weakling. After all we later Curiel looks burnt and isn't knwon if he survived or not, but at Whitebeard's fumeral he is standing and looks normal.
You do have a point that we saw something of them though, I just don't think we saw enough of them. Heck we only see Izo run by Luffy and shoot a few panels and one panel shows him with a sword. We see less of Haruta and others. In the Manga I don't remember seeing much of Namur, maybe one panel,, it was anime that added more of him.
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What type of Logia was Caribou?
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Great chapter, predictable Nami is predictable.(as is Usopp chiming in after)
Neptunes face made me lol in real life
Pekoms dispatched Caribou rather easily, I don't think he's on par with the monster trio but it shows he's probably stronger then the rest of the crew right now. Sounds about right for someone protecting Big Mam's candy.
Tashigi got really strong, and it sounds like G-5 marines are too, even if they fall for the looks of a woman. Smoker looking damn cool, and since he's a vice-admiral and most likely to stay around I can't wait till Luffy's first Haki-on-Haki battle. Of course it would be against Smoker, it couldn't be anybody else.
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Exactly. At the time, it was such a huge deal that Blackbeard could touch a logia… but now? It's nothing. It makes him look like such a moron for spending his life to find that fruit, so I thought... maybe Blackbeard can't use Haki? Or maybe his affinity with Armament Haki is really weak? Of course there's more to his power, but the emphasis was on sealing an ability user. Well anyway, now he's Megaman, so the issue with his fruit being not so impressive is moot, but the bit about Ace? It makes no sense with what we know now, so that must have been before Oda had really decided on how Haki would work. Perhaps I'm reading too much into it.
about–- Ace shouldn't be used to actually getting hit by someone–---from the chinese version of that chapter ,"Ace,you havn't been hit like that for a while,eh"
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did you all notice Caribou's, "NumaNuma no- Gattling gun!" attack similar to
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@ Screwtape: He's a Swamp logia…
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did you all notice Caribou's, "NumaNuma no- Gattling gun!" attack similar to
Luffy's "GomuGomu no- Gattling gun!" attack? lolzDifference being Caribou actually used a Gatling Gun
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Blackbeard's comment to Ace makes less sense with every new chapter. I wonder how much Oda had planned, and how much was still developing in his mind, way back when.
Thank you. Exact post I wanted to make. Not only that comment but Crocodile's role as a Shichibukai and implied status of a silver medalist makes less and less sense too. I thought Croc's status and Teach's comment on Ace not being hit in a long time was indication that even in the New World being a logia can be relatively smooth sailing until running into somebody near the top as long as you were reasonably tough, skilled, and bright on top of your powers. Now it just seems Oda changed his mind on how rare and special he wanted Haki to be. If Pekom's has Haki and seemingly impressive physical stats then all of WB's division commanders and definitely Doma should be able to hurt Ace regardless of how well if a fighter he is.
Can't see how Croc could gain such a reputation in the New World if seemingly every notable pirate should have been able to take him down or at least stop him from standing out enough to get WB's attention. A line from him about growing weaker while in Alabasta would have excused his status but it doesn't exist. While we're at it why does Moriah not have Haki if once upon a time he faced a Yonkou head-on logically possessing skills and a crew capable of challenging Kaidou's subordinates getting Kaidou's full attention. Is Kaidou just the type to deal with problems on his own and told his goons to back off? Otherwise how did the Moriah Pirates last against a group of Pekoms?
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Was the 2 Billion Berry line a mistranslation? Because it could make sense in context. Pekoms reading the bounty wrong and then not batting an eyelash at a 2 Billion Berry Bounty could be an indication that no one in the new world really cares about bounties (which are basically arbitrary numbers given by the Marines) and that fighting potential is all that they really care about.
Also, I loled at Robin smiling and laughing when Luffy mentions fighting Big Mom. It makes sense-after all the whole reason she's alive/free right now is because Luffy declared war on the entire world to save her, so she's not as concerned about fighting strong enemies.
Finally, this chapter makes me think Big Mam has an alignment closer to Lawful Neutral than anything evil. Sure, she's willing to destroy Fishman Island over candy but I have to assume Fishman Island knew about that before agreeing to the deal. Egg-man and Pappug both mentioned how this is like a business for her, and in the New World with no established legal framework its natural for people to develop more brutal ways of dealing with deal-breakers. The fact that she took in Jinbei and the sun pirates (which was apparently not related to FI protection) also suggests that she's open to practical negotiation so long as the other party upholds their end of the bargain, and it further reinforces why Jinbei needed to meet with her before he joined the Straw Hats–if he broke their deal, Big Mam would come after him, his crew, and probably Luffy.
So I could easily see her being less evil than someone like Kidd or Crocodile. We'll see later on, particularly how she responds to being bombed at her tea party.
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Difference being Caribou actually used a Gatling Gun
It was pretty nice actually;; to see people other than Luffy,Buggy and Wapol shouting attack names based on the fruit he/she ate.
"NumaNuma no~" lolz.
Crocodile never said, "SunaSuan no~" and so did Ace, "MeraMera no~" hahahahalowlz.I wonder if this means Caribou is a lot like Luffy?
… nah!
hahaor maybe only comic relief characters do this;;;
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It was a mistranslation and doesn't make sense in context. If his is 330 million then no way he wouldn't be impressed by a ridiculously high number like 2 billion. He said 200 million "already" indicating its impressive for somebody in paradise. Pekom's bounty is likely representative of many above average NW veteran pirates. Warlords being pirates who the Government offered deals with because they were obvious rising stars who would have bounties that blow Pekoms out of the water if allowed to run wild…as Jinbe&Luffy show.
Extortion, mass murder, and being uncompromising even to her benefit definitely seem more neutral evil than neutral lawful. That is more your average Marine or Jinbe's alignment. Big Mam is more "I'll leave you alone but you're fucked for the slightest infraction", no intent but absolute will to do evil deeds.
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There's just a little problem with your theory… Caribou screamed 'Mugiwara/Strawhat!" while in his swamp-like form right before getting punched out of Ryuugu Palace...so,in other words: he knew very well who attacked him and also,his ability was totally activated when he got hit.
Ha, that's what I like about Caribou's loss this chapter. Many thought he's lose to show Luffy's power, when in the end he was used to show-off the power of New World pirates. Yet, Luffy nonetheless knocked this guy out, so as awesome as this Pekoms was Luffy could still be much stronger. We're getting a glimpse of the New World's power yet the Strawhats have far from reached the end of their potential.
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Nice chapter!!
Caribou is definitely weak in term of raw power.. Just look at his hand!! so skinny…
BTW what the use of putting a bomb inside a box that the thief already emptied? Would the original thief already know that the box is empty???? and do not want to open it again? also would the blast (if happen) would also destroy the castle and might hurt someone?? This one i can not understand.. -
That was before her solem vow to get stronger after her breakdown in Alabasta . To make her pathetic after that would be beyond insulting . Tash will never be able to match Zoro … but that doesn't mean she cant hold his interest(in more ways than one ) waaaaaaaaay better than squidboy .
Agreed. I really felt bad for her when she could not do anything in Alabasta. It would be great if Oda shows that she can defeat Robin(it would be an arc).
It's really interesting that both Zoro and Tashigi reintroduction echoed Mihawk's first appearance (sliscing the galleon and deflecting projectiles with extreme precision).
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Nice chapter!!
Caribou is definitely weak in term of raw power.. Just look at his hand!! so skinny…
BTW what the use of putting a bomb inside a box that the thief already emptied? Would the original thief already know that the box is empty???? and do not want to open it again? also would the blast (if happen) would also destroy the castle and might hurt someone?? This one i can not understand..Was it mentioned if Hody took ALL of the pills? He had them mass produced so he would only need a few. They mentioned that they fit quite a few bombs("As many as we could fit") so that space filled with those small pills, compared to the small bag Hody had.
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Was it mentioned if Hody took ALL of the pills? He had them mass produced so he would only need a few. They mentioned that they fit quite a few bombs("As many as we could fit") so that space filled with those small pills, compared to the small bag Hody had.
Ah i forgot that it is not mentioned. It is possible they only take some, and not all. I just assumed that.
But it is not also mentioned that there is some pills left in the treasure box.
I just cannot imagine i will put a bomb in my safe that filled with money that can be destroyed.. So maybe they emptied the box and fill it with bomb only.. -
Just read the chapter. Smoker got even more awesome! Vice-admiral and sunglasses… I can't wait to see what other changes he went through post time skip.
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Mangastream fixed the bounty mistranslation HOURS ago, and its STILL causing problems? Oii.
Can't see how Croc could gain such a reputation in the New World if seemingly every notable pirate should have been able to take him down or at least stop him from standing out enough to get WB's attention.
Just because you can hit a guy doesn't mean you can hit him from fifty feet away, block a sandstorm, or survive having your fluids drained or being poisoned.
Especially in the desert.
And Croc got that scar and lost a hand somehow, after all. Someone did give him problems (Presumably Whitebeard.)
I could run up and hit Mike Tyson. I have that capability. But then he would utterly destroy me.
While we're at it why does Moriah not have Haki if once upon a time he faced a Yonkou head-on logically possessing skills and a crew capable of challenging Kaidou's subordinates getting Kaidou's full attention.
I've ridden a horse before. Doesn't mean I can build a motorcycle.
Also, Moriah stopped depending on his own strength after that encounter and switched tactics to being lazy and using unkillable zombies and shadows. Of course he wouldn't develop any personal strength.
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Thank you. Exact post I wanted to make. Not only that comment but Crocodile's role as a Shichibukai and implied status of a silver medalist makes less and less sense too. I thought Croc's status and Teach's comment on Ace not being hit in a long time was indication that even in the New World being a logia can be relatively smooth sailing until running into somebody near the top as long as you were reasonably tough, skilled, and bright on top of your powers. Now it just seems Oda changed his mind on how rare and special he wanted Haki to be. If Pekom's has Haki and seemingly impressive physical stats then all of WB's division commanders and definitely Doma should be able to hurt Ace regardless of how well if a fighter he is.
Can't see how Croc could gain such a reputation in the New World if seemingly every notable pirate should have been able to take him down or at least stop him from standing out enough to get WB's attention. A line from him about growing weaker while in Alabasta would have excused his status but it doesn't exist. While we're at it why does Moriah not have Haki if once upon a time he faced a Yonkou head-on logically possessing skills and a crew capable of challenging Kaidou's subordinates getting Kaidou's full attention. Is Kaidou just the type to deal with problems on his own and told his goons to back off? Otherwise how did the Moriah Pirates last against a group of Pekoms?
Haki isn't a be all end all defense against Logia. WB stabbed Aokiji with his haki infused spear and Aokiji shrugged it off. Also Jozu slammed Aokiji with what must've been a haki infused attack and coming from someone of such enormous physical strength should've been deadly but again Aokiji acted as if the attack was just a minor delay. Akainu and Aokiji both took physical attacks during the war but none of them came close to doing the damage they would've done to a normal human being. Logia users also have the ranged attack advantage and most of them have a dispersion technique. Caribou, who is obviously an idiot, didn't take advantage of either of those. He actually charged into the fight with a melee weapon. No other logia so far has been that stupid, not even Enel when he realized Luffy was able to physically harm him. I think we can assume that with enough mastery of their fruit and combat intelligence a Logia should not be threatened by Haki users.
Blackbeards DF does two things Haki cannot do. It nulls the DF users power completely. If WB had it, his spear would've gone through Aokiji. If Jozu had it, Aokiji would've been crushed. Whatever suppression Logia users still seem to receive even when hit by Haki attacks would've been removed. The second thing it does is it brings the DF user directly to Blackbeard. The range and dispersion advantages are now gone completely. No matter how fast Luffy is he'll never be as fast as lightening or light. Even with haki his punches can't hurt a sky filled with snow, a room filled with smoke, or a storm of sand. I don't expect a fighter as good as Ace to have been hit very often and even if he had it was never with without some protection from being a Logia.
As for crocodile, his reputation comes not just from his fruit, which he has mastered, but also from his intelligence which is one of the highest so far. Just having Haki isn't enough to beat someone like him. Luffy lost twice and in all three of those fights crocodile severly underestimated him. I think you're thinking about Haki and Logia in terms of like power levels which doesn't make sense here. It's not Haki>Logia>Zoan>Paramecia. Haki and the DF and just tools or weapons to be used in a fight. In most cases it depends on the person using the fruit/haki that will decide the outcome of a particular encounter rather than having the Fruit/Haki itself though having one or the other obviously increase the damage you can do in a fight.
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@RobbyBevard:
Just because you can hit a guy doesn't mean you can hit him from fifty feet away, block a sandstorm, or survive having your fluids drained or being poisoned.
Especially in the desert.
And Croc got that scar and lost a hand somehow, after all. Someone did give him problems (Presumably Whitebeard.)
You can if you're an elite NW. Nobody is talking about some random joe with Haki like a nameless Kuja Pirate.
Also, Moriah stopped depending on his own strength after that encounter and switched tactics to being lazy and using unkillable zombies and shadows. Of course he wouldn't develop any personal strength.
You missed my point entirely.
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And what evidence do you have of that?
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Awesome chapter! And Tashigi looks hawt and Vice Admiral Smoker! :DI didn't expect Pekoms to be a Devil Fruit user but more weirder is that he is a Lionman eating a Turtle Zoan Devil Fruit (Kame Kame no Mi?). I guess a possibility that there's a race of talking anthro animals with cute beady eyes like Pekoms and Bepo, existed in the world of One Piece.
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Thank you. Exact post I wanted to make. Not only that comment but Crocodile's role as a Shichibukai and implied status of a silver medalist makes less and less sense too. I thought Croc's status and Teach's comment on Ace not being hit in a long time was indication that even in the New World being a logia can be relatively smooth sailing until running into somebody near the top as long as you were reasonably tough, skilled, and bright on top of your powers. Now it just seems Oda changed his mind on how rare and special he wanted Haki to be. If Pekom's has Haki and seemingly impressive physical stats then all of WB's division commanders and definitely Doma should be able to hurt Ace regardless of how well if a fighter he is.
Can't see how Croc could gain such a reputation in the New World if seemingly every notable pirate should have been able to take him down or at least stop him from standing out enough to get WB's attention. A line from him about growing weaker while in Alabasta would have excused his status but it doesn't exist. While we're at it why does Moriah not have Haki if once upon a time he faced a Yonkou head-on logically possessing skills and a crew capable of challenging Kaidou's subordinates getting Kaidou's full attention. Is Kaidou just the type to deal with problems on his own and told his goons to back off? Otherwise how did the Moriah Pirates last against a group of Pekoms?
We don't know where Pekoms and the long leg guy stand in Big Moms crew. They could be commanders for all we know. Every crew is bound to have different set ups too
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Don't really care for Tashigis new hair design but Smoker gonna looks even more badass
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You can if you're an elite NW.
And how many of those are there? Please, provide a number, and a list of names if possible.
Nobody is talking about some random joe with Haki like a nameless Kuja Pirate.
Well if knowing haki in and of itself isn't relevent, then it comes down to the actual fighter doesn't it? How many pirates have we seen that fit this description of "elite NW pirate that can defeat Crocodile"? How many people can fight a literal force of nature, get close enough to hit a guy that is being smart and fighting from a distance?
Aside from presumably the four yonkou and the three admirals, how many people have we seen that can definitively challenge Crocodile and all his abilities?
Magellan with his cheap poison? Doflamingo who was able to distract him for a bit? Anyone else?
Croc is one of 8 guys strong enough, influential enough, and with reputation enough, that the government felt it would be far better to give him full amnesty and let him do what he wants than to have to actually try and fight him. He's among the world powers, he is strong.
Just because LUFFY beat him (after three different near death attempts) doesn't mean anything.
You missed my point entirely.
Your point was Moria should have learned haki after seeing Kaidou. My point was, just because you've ridden a horse doesn't mean you can build a motorcycle.
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what's the point of shadowing over Smoker's face when we already know what he looks like?
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what's the point of shadowing over Smoker's face when we already know what he looks like?
He had a scar on his eyes, probably something else is going on with his face and Oda doesn't want to show it.
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Thank you. Exact post I wanted to make. Not only that comment but Crocodile's role as a Shichibukai and implied status of a silver medalist makes less and less sense too. I thought Croc's status and Teach's comment on Ace not being hit in a long time was indication that even in the New World being a logia can be relatively smooth sailing until running into somebody near the top as long as you were reasonably tough, skilled, and bright on top of your powers. Now it just seems Oda changed his mind on how rare and special he wanted Haki to be. If Pekom's has Haki and seemingly impressive physical stats then all of WB's division commanders and definitely Doma should be able to hurt Ace regardless of how well if a fighter he is.
Can't see how Croc could gain such a reputation in the New World if seemingly every notable pirate should have been able to take him down or at least stop him from standing out enough to get WB's attention. A line from him about growing weaker while in Alabasta would have excused his status but it doesn't exist. While we're at it why does Moriah not have Haki if once upon a time he faced a Yonkou head-on logically possessing skills and a crew capable of challenging Kaidou's subordinates getting Kaidou's full attention. Is Kaidou just the type to deal with problems on his own and told his goons to back off? Otherwise how did the Moriah Pirates last against a group of Pekoms?
I see where your coming from with the whole 'who has haki and who doesn't' debate
The way I see it,Oda will pick and choose who he wants to have haki for plot sakes.Like:
"Hmm,I want Marco,Vista and Jozu to fight the admirals,gotta give em haki lolz"
"I want Pekomz to punch Caribou,haki for him"
"I've already established that every marine Va And above has it,good"
It might be inconsistent,but I dint think it's right to think every single top nw fighter will have haki.Only the ones that matter,story-wise. I guess we'll see a the series progresses.
If you look at it in a real world view point,you'll just confuse and frustrate yourself.
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what's the point of shadowing over Smoker's face when we already know what he looks like?
Drama. Mood. Shadows are cool. Hold off on a reveal for a character we haven't seen in a while.
Oda does it all the time.
@Baou:
It might be inconsistent,but I dint think it's right to think every single top nw fighter will have haki.Only the ones that matter. I guess we'll see a the series progresses.
If everyone could learn haki, or rokushiki for that matter, then it would be basic marine training and it wouldn't be such an unknown rare thing that takes years of experience and hardship and training to unlock that only the highest and most elite fighters have. Smoker had never even seen it action until he fought Hancock, even though apparently all VA's have it. So its still rare.
Amazon Lilly shows that in the right environment, anyone with the right mindset probably can learn the basics, but aptitude is going to vary.
And only one in a million are going to have the really good stuff.
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what's the point of shadowing over Smoker's face when we already know what he looks like?
He's going bald.
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I like your post dude. A lot of your opinions and ideas about the chapters match my own, often validating them. About Luffy and Co. giving up their treasure to Big Mom; I Think Oda cornered him self into this scenario. If Luffy did not offer the treasure then Big Mom would obviously tell Pekom to take it. A brawl between Big Mom's crew and the Strawhats at this point would feel awkward.
Overall this chapter left me feeling very stretched out as a reader, although promises a lot more to speculate on. It was a nice read like always. :happy:
Like that guy, Blue-san, you are just being stupid.. looking thing in just one perspective is one thing, too full of yourself is another thing..
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Someone at Animesuki Forums brought up that Smoker looks like Albert Wesker from Resident Evil, and I agree.
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