What's going to happen when Decken and Buggy join forces alongside Foxy, Mr. 3, and Alvida?
Chapter 627: "Indebted" Discussion
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Great chapter as always!
Tbh, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Hodi had something to do with Otohime's assassination.
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What's going to happen when Decken and Buggy join forces alongside Foxy, Mr. 3, and Alvida?
Pheww..you've create the new Brotherhood of Evil Mutants..
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What's going to happen when Decken and Buggy join forces alongside Foxy, Mr. 3, and Alvida?
They'll replace Luffy and co. as the new main characters :ninja:
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Hahaha, I just noticed that when Shirahoshi picks Nami up to talk to her, Chopper is hanging on for dear life. http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/75149428/17
I hate to break this to you, but Jinbe is infinitely closer to being a main character than Perona is.
Oh my god you said Perona.
Guess Jimbe is joining then. -
I thought the chapter was great. Sucks that there's gonna be a break, though. I'm really looking forward to the next chapter.
What's going to happen when Decken and Buggy join forces alongside Foxy, Mr. 3, and Alvida?
Is Alvida still in the picture? It's been a while since we've seen her, and the last time we did, she was attempting to leave the calm belt and give up the search for Buggy along with Buggy's crew.
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@Badass:
Is Alvida still in the picture? It's been a while since we've seen her, and the last time we did, she was attempting to leave the calm belt and give up the search for Buggy along with Buggy's crew.
This is One Piece, everyone who's not dead is still in the picture.
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Did anybody notice the almost Shaft-like head tilt?
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@Badass:
Is Alvida still in the picture? It's been a while since we've seen her, and the last time we did, she was attempting to leave the calm belt and give up the search for Buggy along with Buggy's crew.
we last saw her when buggy got his bat message.
http://www.mangareader.net/103-55664-19/one-piece/chapter-593.html
middle panels.
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You know what I'm most excited for as of this chapter?
Go on take a guess, and it has nothing to do with Hodi.! We're getting a mother fucking Reverie ARC!!!
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I did not like this chapter. Too much coincidences. Like the annual thing at the grave. It was already pretty wierd why Hodi decided to take action at the excact same time luffy arrives at fishman island and not a month earlier. But this is imo a bit to much. Its like watching the newest jamesbond movie.
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@Cuddles:
(A human pirate going around terrorizing the island? History might just be set up to repeat itself kind of).
We don't know the who/what/why/when/how of that human in the flashback except that he was a pirate, so while there's nothing to go on (save for piracy) about what he was doing pre-assassination, I do think that's a good parallel to make. We know that Caribou is there for Mermaids and what better prize than the Princess? With his ability it's possible that he could go after her and get her without having to worry for her size.
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Hahaha, I just noticed that when Shirahoshi picks Nami up to talk to her, Chopper is hanging on for dear life. http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/75149428/17
Haha, that's incredible, I didn't notice it at the first time.
I know people already talked about it and how it still makes sense but: UGH I got a bit disappointed with Luffy XD And a lot more with Sanji at the point of punching him, he was a total asshole right there, if Jinbe joins he might go on the "I'm sorry" route after.
I very liked the chapter, was a fun and touching read, the ending of the flashback was great.
I wonder what are Hodi's real plans… anywayi, it sucks hard that we're not getting a new chapter next week. -
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we last saw her when buggy got his bat message.
http://www.mangareader.net/103-55664-19/one-piece/chapter-593.html
middle panels.
Oh. That scene must have slipped my mind. Thanks.
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So the mystery of the man who will lead Shirahoshi is solved.
That man is… Namizou.
I did not like this chapter. Too much coincidences. Like the annual thing at the grave.
The who in the what now?
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…and everyone was so sure that Luffy had become so contemplative...
great chapter
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So the mystery of the man who will lead Shirahoshi is solved.
That man is… Namizou.
Ok, I needed that laugh so badly today, thank you!
And yet it actually makes me hopeful that is will be Nami(zou) who does it. She's had the most connections with the Fishmen and her having to deal with those feelings in light of the new Fishmen friends she's made would be an awesome guiding force as per the prophecy/legend.
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Ah, I forgot to add, I really loved Franky's reaction hahaha, just as expected, made me laugh so much, incredible. Nami was great too. I liked the interaction between Shirahoshi and Nami. Jinbe has also grown on me, I never thought he was feeling THAT badly guilty, I'm happy he's relieved now.
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I didnt enjoy the flashback much. I put it in my bottom tier along with Nami's, robin's, sanji's and Ussop's. Coming off Franky, Brook and Ace/Luffy's fantastic ones, this one felt really bland. Chapter was decent though, nothing great, nothing terrible.
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I didnt enjoy the flashback much. I put it in my bottom tier along with Nami's, robin's, sanji's and Ussop's. Coming off Franky, Brook and Ace/Luffy's fantastic ones, this one felt really bland. Chapter was decent though, nothing great, nothing terrible.
Wow, Nami and Robin's flashbacks were in your bottom tier?
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I hope that this year's reverie will hold major consequences to the overall plot of the series, with both Kobra and possibly Neptune attending, since we can all agree that Hody won't succeed in his plan. If Oda doesn't show us this gathering of kings, I will be sad. But that's not to come for an other couple years from now so it's no big issue.
Both the chapter and the flashback were fantastic. Now that we're back in the present with the past clear in our heads, I can't wait to see what's going to happen. Can't wait for the next chapter. Sucks we have a break though. I'll probably take the down time to reread the flashback in order to experience it in all it's grandeur.
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so who was the jackass that told me arlong was ruthless enough to hurt his nakama????? and told me I was wrong in saying that he would never hurt them, apparently he won't even hurt fishmen, I knew he was better than hodi, hatchan would still be his BFF
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I hope that this year's reverie will hold major consequences to the overall plot of the series, with both Kobra and possibly Neptune attending, since we can all agree that Hody won't succeed in his plan. If Oda doesn't show us this gathering of kings, I will be sad. But that's not to come for an other couple years from now so it's no big issue.
Both the chapter and the flashback were fantastic. Now that we're back in the present with the past clear in our heads, I can't wait to see what's going to happen. Can't wait for the next chapter. Sucks we have a break though. I'll probably take the down time to reread the flashback in order to experience it in all it's grandeur.
Woah, you just made me realize we're in a great position to see post time skip Vivi again! That's…something I didn't expect but I'm still looking foward to.
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Really like the chapter, and am also glad the flashback is over. Fukaboshi's words were the first in the entire flashback to get some emotions from me, don't get why exactly but I definitely like him more as a character for it. My bet is on Jimbei fighting Hodi
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So, am I the only one who believes more firmly than ever after this chapter that the reason Jinbei didn't want Luffy to beat Hodi is that he didn't want a human to beat Hodi allowing him to be made a martyr? I mean they got a pretty strong reaction to Otohime being killed by a human, and while comparing them is a bit unfair, Hodi is still a massive figure to many of the fishmen, so it could just make the anti-human group even more zealous, just like Arlong's defeat did
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Really like the chapter, and am also glad the flashback is over. Fukaboshi's words were the first in the entire flashback to get some emotions from me, don't get why exactly but I definitely like him more as a character for it. My bet is on Jimbei fighting Hodi
In the absence of some other manipulating big baddie, i can't really see anyone other than Luffy fighting Hodi at this point. He's always the one who delivers the fist of karmic justice.
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So the mystery of the man who will lead Shirahoshi is solved.
That man is… Namizou.
You're not stalking me are you?
hides all the Namizou x femLuffy picsso who was the jackass that told me arlong was ruthless enough to hurt his nakama????? and told me I was wrong in saying that he would never hurt them, apparently he won't even hurt fishmen, I knew he was better than hodi, hatchan would still be his BFF
I don't know who would claim that.
It was established long ago that as much of a cruel, racist bastard Arlong is, he always showed caring and sympathy to his own kin. Even back in Arlong Park days. He's much classier gangsta than Hodi could ever dream to be. -
OHO
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Hmmmm… it was a good chapter, but it was one of the only chapters i felt slightly dissapointed in the direction it was heading. And here i thought the shooter wouldnt be revealed for another 30 chapters lol. BUT, i do still feel something is fishy (werd) with the whole "he's a pirate, he had a gun, so we shot him" deal. But seriously some great gestures made in this chapter. It actually feels like Jinbe will become a strawhat more than ever now. But yes the most interesting part of this chapter, for me anyways, will be what Oda does with this Kings reverie deal. I really hope it involves Luffy in some way, and by that i mean new world government enemies and characters. Also interesting note is Jinbe's scar, i have a feeling he obtained it the same way shanks had his, by that i mean some fateful encounter that will give Jinbe a whole new take.
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You're not stalking me are you?
hides all the Namizou x femLuffy picsOf course not, just spying a lot. :ninja:
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Good chapter in all, nice to see Sanji back to his old self , loving the artwork at the end of the chapter of Luffy, a nice way to close it.
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can anyone tell me why my internet security is telling me this has a 9 computer threats?????
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Hahaha, do you seriously not see the difference between an editing error and intentional design change? Even the difference between a minor character receiving a scar over the course of 12 years should be obviously different than a main character losing a scar when going back in time to tell their story. Please tell me you see the difference.
Beckman is a minor character? Doubt he'll be any less important than Marco when his time comes. My point was Urouge said Jinbe's scar is a big unanswered question. Who gets to decide if a scar is a big deal or not? What is the precedent for design changes like missing scars in flashbacks becoming significant in the future? Croc and Shanks are the only two that come to mind but their scars are important because they mark specific points in their timelines where they confronted Teach and Whitebeard. Sounds like you both expected Jinbe's scar to be an indication of some important event in his life but that is just an idea that may or may not come to anything. Something that is only a big deal if you make it. Not a big unanswered question like who hired the assassin or who was the noble who signed the papers for the queen.
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Wow, a lot of people are taking Luffy falling asleep during the flashback as him "being an unlikeable asshole". Going outright to say they don't like him anymore.
Where were you during Arlong Park when Luffy walked away from Nojiko, refusing to listen to Nami's backstory? -
Is anyone else expecting a Big Mom appearance? Fishman Island is her territory and I doubt something like this goes completely unnoticed by her.
Maybe she'll show up at the very end of it all.
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cnet's translation is already up in case anyone is interested
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Beckman is a minor character? Doubt he'll be any less important than Marco when his time comes. My point was Urouge said Jinbe's scar is a big unanswered question. Who gets to decide if a scar is a big deal or not? What is the precedent for design changes like missing scars in flashbacks becoming significant in the future? Croc and Shanks are the only two that come to mind but their scars are important because they mark specific points in their timelines where they confronted Teach and Whitebeard. Sounds like you both expected Jinbe's scar to be an indication of some important event in his life but that is just an idea that may or may not come to anything. Something that is only a big deal if you make it. Not a big unanswered question like who hired the assassin or who was the noble who signed the papers for the queen.
well why should we believe it will go unanswered, people will ask him anyway and oda is good at foreshadowing things, I doubt he's gonna be stupid enough to not explain why a major support character (maybe even main character) got the scar that's so clearly part of his character design, who are you to decide that the scar is of no significance, I'd say both your ideas are possible to refute either one completley is stupid but knowing oda brennen idea seems more likely (I'm more leading to an ending flashback that happens before jinbe joins the crew telling his dreams and such that shows how he got the scar… but this is just an assumption based on nothing we've seen so I really don't feel the need to get into it)
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Wow, a lot of people are taking Luffy falling asleep during the flashback as him "being an unlikeable asshole". Going outright to say they don't like him anymore.
Where were you during Arlong Park when Luffy walked away from Nojiko, refusing to listen to Nami's backstory?huh? i don't see anyone complaining about luffy?
there's a lot of hate towards sanji though.
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I think it's pretty clear that the killer was not the pirate, or at least was not he by himself…. Right now we have two possibilities...
1.The guy was really the one to shoot, being manipulated by someone
2.Wasn't the guy at all, and Hodi used the chance to stop the Reverie project...At the same time, the chapter explains why Luffy shouldn't fight Hodi...after 10 years, another incident where a human kills a fishman could end up making they lose this opportunity, and to wait another 4 years...
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Wow, a lot of people are taking Luffy falling asleep during the flashback as him "being an unlikeable asshole". Going outright to say they don't like him anymore.
Where were you during Arlong Park when Luffy walked away from Nojiko, refusing to listen to Nami's backstory?I just see it as part of Luffy's character, he doesn't need to know anyone's backstory, he just needs to know who's ass to kick. I don't think he knows any of the crew member's backstorys come to think of it.
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Beckman is a minor character? Doubt he'll be any less important than Marco when his time comes. My point was Urouge said Jinbe's scar is a big unanswered question. Who gets to decide if a scar is a big deal or not? What is the precedent for design changes like missing scars in flashbacks becoming significant in the future? Croc and Shanks are the only two that come to mind but their scars are important because they mark specific points in their timelines where they confronted Teach and Whitebeard. Sounds like you both expected Jinbe's scar to be an indication of some important event in his life but that is just an idea that may or may not come to anything. Something that is only a big deal if you make it. Not a big unanswered question like who hired the assassin or who was the noble who signed the papers for the queen.
Considering the amount of panel time he's gotten over the course of the 600+ chapters so far, Beckman's very much been a minor character. He'll certainly get a more major role in the future, but there's no point in questioning his scar before then. A character isn't going to get any sort of significant backstory while he can barely get panels in the first place.
Whitebeard doesn't apply at all for two reasons. First, you bring up an editing error like it's some kind of a point, when it doesn't relate in the slightest. Second, we ALREADY KNOW how he most likely got it. That makes two reasons why it's silly to even bring up and none that are good as far as I can tell.
Jinbe's notable scar disappeared when winding back the clock, so it's natural to wonder what happened to it while it's relevant. Since scars frequently have a backstory, it's natural to wonder if it has a backstory. That makes it an unanswered question. It really doesn't get any more complex than that. If it didn't disappear for the flashback, it wouldn't have ever been questioned. How you can even try to debate this is baffling to me.
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Urouge I am not arguing its not something to question. I'm merely talking about you putting it at the top of your priority list of unanswered questions like who hired the shooter, etc.
well why should we believe it will go unanswered, people will ask him anyway and oda is good at foreshadowing things, I doubt he's gonna be stupid enough to not explain why a major support character (maybe even main character) got the scar that's so clearly part of his character design, who are you to decide that the scar is of no significance, I'd say both your ideas are possible to refute either one completley is stupid but knowing oda brennen idea seems more likely (I'm more leading to an ending flashback that happens before jinbe joins the crew telling his dreams and such that shows how he got the scar… but this is just an assumption based on nothing we've seen so I really don't feel the need to get into it)
Huh? I don't think you know what you're talking about. What ideas? All I can make out of this post is that Oda is stupid if the missing scar doesn't turn out to be important.
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Urouge I am not arguing its not something to question. I'm merely talking about you putting it at the top of your priority list of unanswered questions like who hired the shooter, etc.
Because there aren't all that many unanswered questions left in the first place.
I didn't even make a priority list.Never mind, I did say biggest apparently. But that was only because it was simply the one that stuck out to me the most at the moment. The shooter is a more important question, but I fully expect it to be answered so I have no reason to sweat it.And it doesn't change the fact that your supporting arguments are entirely nonsense.
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Well, guess I was wrong about Jinbe needing to account for the years not keeping track of Arlong. And my Aladdin conspiracy was quite off the mark. But just a regular pirate, weird how no one saw that coming. And nothing about the scar, either.
Anyway, on to the main event! …In two weeks. T_T
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Phenomenal chapter. Loved how the flashback ends at the audience's current location. Oda always knows how to transition between the past and present with finesse. I feel like we've come a long way since the Strawhats first arrived at the Sea forest. I'm seeing all the key players of this arc in a different light and the depth added to them has definitely increased the momentum and excitement approaching the climax. I was hoping to see Robin in this chapter but the crew's reactions to the story and the accompanying dialog were so good that I'm not disappointed at all. Really looking forward to the next chapter.
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Urouge I am not arguing its not something to question. I'm merely talking about you putting it at the top of your priority list of unanswered questions like who hired the shooter, etc.
Huh? I don't think you know what you're talking about. What ideas? All I can make out of this post is that Oda is stupid if the missing scar doesn't turn out to be important.
mayb e I said it weird, I was just saying it would be un-odaish to do so, I didn't mean ideas I was just saying you might be right that it's of no importance or breenen might be right that it will be very important, I was saying either could be right but to say one is completely wrong is not a good idea at this point
I'm not saying it would be stupid just weird for oda, I'm not agreeing with either side, I might not be articulating myself well now either which could be the confusion, I'm super tired sorry if I'm coming off as stupid, I'm just exhausted but I still want to talk to people about the chapter
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Interesting to see the time period in which Jinbei received his scar narrowed down. Unless it's just one of Oda's mistakes.
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What's going to happen when Decken and Buggy join forces alongside Foxy, Mr. 3, and Alvida?
Greatest sitcom ever.
Also, I'm in the boat that ir will be either Jinbe or Fukaboshi that'll beat Hodi. A fishman putting an end to this is what has to happen. It can't be any other way.
Luffy can beat VDD, as that won't really have much of an effect.
But I'm also starting to wonder about why VDD wants Shirahoshis power; it'll definitely be revealed soon though.
Maybe he is not as bad as we think. Perhaps he is the one that will lead her?That is pure speculation, and it's more likely that Luffy is the one to lead her, especially with that fortune teller's (I forget her name) vision, but it's still an interesting thought that's been bouncing around in my head.
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Maybe it's occurred to everyone already, but thought this flashback gives the three pages or so of this chapter more meaning: http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/620/4
Also, they seem to give more of a sense of Hodi's future plan.