Spandam and the Tenryuubito equally. Both seem like thoughtless, cruel kids that have way too much power.
(To be fair, I hate Akainu too… Just a tiny, itsy bit less.)
Most Despicable Villain(s) so far…
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Really, Tenryubitto and Spandam are far above any other villain in terms of how despicable they are. I'd say tenryubitto are higher, which is why they're winning. I'd also say that most of the people who voted for tenryubitto would have voted for spandam if the tenryubitto weren't an option. Really, as despicable as some other villains are, there really isn't any contest here
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How many people have mentioned Kuro…. he cared for Kaya for 3 years as her butler, being one of her only companions... just so he could kill her.
Heartless bastard. If thats not despicable, I don't know what is.I wouldn't rank Kuro in the top ten for that, let alone the number one spot. Kuro was simply manipulative, as you would expect from a typical pirate captain but of course his genius is a bit above that. Kuro's actions were villainous but people do that sort of thing everyday. It would be different if we learned that Kuro killed Kaya's parents and kept their bodies in a freezer or some shit like that. Or if he were running around the island killing hookers or selling kids into slavery, that's different. But Kuro mostly laid low for about three years before he did anything big, and what he did was not out of the range of typical piracy. Smash, grab, and run like hell.
I'd say that out of all the villains we've seen so far, either Kuro or Buggy's actions have been the most tame by far.
Really, Tenryubitto and Spandam are far above any other villain in terms of how despicable they are. I'd say tenryubitto are higher, which is why they're winning. I'd also say that most of the people who voted for tenryubitto would have voted for spandam if the tenryubitto weren't an option. Really, as despicable as some other villains are, there really isn't any contest here
Yeah, Spandam/CP9 got my vote too. Those guys were reall assholes, all of them. Well, Rob Lucchi was kind of cool but he all that d#mn bragging was unnecessary. In any case these guys are really just government assassins. They can (and do) kill innocent citizens with impunity, but they're supposed to be marines? WTF?! On top of that the thought of their fellow marines being killed doesn't concern them. Add on Spandam's treatment of Robin and willingness to massacre thousands of his own men just for a promotion and these guys are the worst.
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Macro for fuck sake! >_< That guyyyyy.
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Even though Enel did want to commit genocide on a whim, it's kinda forgivable since he was obviously lacking in the mental health department. Crocodile, Spandman and the Tenryuubito all knew exactly what they were doing.
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Well, the only thing crazy about Enel was that he thought he was god and that he called himself "we". But sure, he was pretty crazy, not crazy-crazy.
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Calling yourself god and referring to yourself as "we" is pretty mental institution worthy. He had power to somewhat back it up but the dude was still insane.
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Eneru referred to himself as "we"? I don't remember that. But it's a way to refer to one's self if you're royalty, just saying. Obviously it doesn't change the fact that he's completely insane though, it's just that there's other reasons. I always wondered if his mantra had anything to do with going crazy. Like if hearing voices made him destroy Bilka or something. But idk if Oda is ever gonna explain his story. Skypiea will probably have more significance later on
and then all the haters can stop bitching about how the Skypiea arc had no effect on the plot even though it hasbut somehow I doubt Eneru's back story will be that important.The question is whether or not mental instability makes you less despicable. Well you could argue that "hey this guy didn't know what he was doing/didn't know any better" or "there's a good reason why he did this." Or if not a good reason, then at least one that's understandable. But Eneru still did some pretty horrid things. I'm kinda between Blackbeard and Tenryuubito right now….
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Enel was definitely insane by our standards he'd be in an institution if he was real
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He saw himself as the most powerful being on the island, which frankly he was, making I'm more of a giant douche with a superiority complex than a complete madman.
Someone who is truly batshit insane has no understandable reasoning at all, he does things just on a whim or for his own amusement, because of a serious mental disability or just for the sake of being a despicable asshole.
He continued to be a disgusting piece of shit even after Luffy prowed his divinity wrong and was able to understand and follow simple reasoning.
Heck, he even realized that (I'm not really sure here) after wiper hurt him with the impact dial that he was using sea stone, which should also mean that he was aware of the fact that his powers came from a devil fruit, which makes clear that he was very aware why he has obtained godhood.
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He saw himself as the most powerful being on the island, which frankly he was, making I'm more of a giant douche with a superiority complex than a complete madman.
Someone who is truly batshit insane has no understandable reasoning at all, he does things just on a whim or for his own amusement, because of a serious mental disability or just for the sake of being a despicable asshole.
He continued to be a disgusting piece of shit even after Luffy prowed his divinity wrong and was able to understand and follow simple reasoning.
Heck, he even realized that (I'm not really sure here) after wiper hurt him with the impact dial that he was using sea stone, which should also mean that he was aware of the fact that his powers came from a devil fruit, which makes clear that he was very aware why he has obtained godhood.
Enel is the same league as the Crocodile and Arlong.He may not be "batshit insane" but he definitely had some mental problems. And if someone is pretty messed up and commits a crime, they will get some leniency.
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Enel was not insane for claiming to be divine. The man saw himself as a natural disaster (which he arguably was), natural disasters being an act of God and himself being a natural extension of that belief. If he hadn't had the power to back up that claim and still kept that mindset then yes, he would have been completely crazy.
Enel may have been incredibly narcissistic but he was not batshit insane. His ability to plan and his obvious technical prowess do not point to a major mental shutdown on his part.
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Enel was not insane for claiming to be divine. The man saw himself as a natural disaster (which he arguably was), natural disasters being an act of God and himself being a natural extension of that belief. If he hadn't had the power to back up that claim and still kept that mindset then yes, he would have been completely crazy.
Enel may have been incredibly narcissistic but he was not batshit insane. His ability to plan and his obvious technical prowess do not point to a major mental shutdown on his part.
Uh…I'm not really knowledgeable in mental health, but I'm pretty sure you can still plan and other stuff while still being insane.
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my two cents
killing people on a whim is batshit insane no matter how you slice it.
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Enel is a psychopath. He would need psychiatric intervention if he had no superpowers.
Psychopath: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopath <–sufficient explanation
Brief excerpt: "...characterized by an abnormal lack of empathy combined with strongly amoral conduct but masked by an ability to appear outwardly normal."
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I agree he is insane but he is not so insane that he cannot function.
Originally Posted by Norisuke Higashikata IV
"Your stand is like your asshole. You can't go around showing it off to other people."
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Enel is a psychopath. He would need psychiatric intervention if he had no superpowers.
Psychopath: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopath <–sufficient explanation
Brief excerpt: "...characterized by an abnormal lack of empathy combined with strongly amoral conduct but masked by an ability to appear outwardly normal."
Damn, I felt like that definition fit me :/
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There are a lot of people who are insane and can function
There are some illnesses that have very high mental function but that doesn't make anybody more or less insane. It's like comparing catatonic schizophrenia to paranoid schizophrenia. A catatonic schizophrenic is low functioning because they are people who just stopped moving. A paranoid schizophrenic is the classic hallucinations + delusions of paranoia and grandeur but they can still move and plan, etc.
Nobody decides to destroy an entire island on a whim. Even a complete sociopath would think "hmm, maybe I should conserve energy for later."
It's as if in real life you give a complete nutcase power over U.S. nuclear weapons. Sure, he may be able to destroy the planet on the push of a button, but that doesn't make him god or any less of a nutter when he actually tries to do it.
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Hmm I'd still say Akainu is a villain for his overtly heavy handed tactics which will certainly be amplified in the future. I mean, he's likely going to become more and more brutal…and if he's serving an inherently corrupt government organization, he becomes a major oppressive force for those he's supposedly trying to protect.
Just because he's not manipulative and scheming like Crocodile (who killed for selfish gain) does not make him any less villainous. Look at Rob Lucci. He was pretty sadistic and twisted...and killed for the sake of the government.
Now I'm not saying these two characters are at all similar, but look Darth Vader. He killed off the Jedi when he decided they were evil...he was a good guy who served "justice", the Galactic senate / republic but was twisted by the Dark Side, killed some little Jedi, and changed his VA to James Earl Jones. Usually I reserve the Darth Vader / Palpatine comparison for Sasuke / Madara XD Anakin is really nothing like Akainu.
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There are 'bad ass villains' (marines) and you have stupid villains. Tenryuubito, which aren't really villains but still assholes, are the worst kind. treating people like slaves and most of them are stupid, fat and lucky to be born with that kind of status and don't deserve it what so ever. Spandam is a close second one. Also very annoying and such a bastard. talking shit and stuff.. and most importantly has no power or skills to back it up with. Totally relying on the CP9 powerhouses. Bellamy also was one of these bastards, acting all tough, then one falcon punch of Luffy, almost killed the bastard. Bellamy (later on Spandam and the Tenryuubito as well) was the first fictional character I desperately wanted dead. If possible, I would done it myself.
To get back to the 'bad ass villains', I.E. Akainu. He's a bastard for killing Ace. Yet he a strong admiral you don't really want to meet. I still have some respect for that. Enel is like that too. Talking shit, but also have the strength to back it up.
I didn't want to make this a long post. In the end, I failed lol.
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What about Kuro? He was my favorite villain!
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Kuro was a swindler, no big deal.
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Moria.
Think about it guys.
He sentences innocent people to a lifetime of fear of the sunlight in order to desecrate corpses and use them as an army of unbeatable undead minions who are forced to obey his every whim in a bid for power. That's pretty damn despicable.
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Moria.
Think about it guys.
He sentences innocent people to a lifetime of fear of the sunlight in order to desecrate corpses and use them as an army of unbeatable undead minions who are forced to obey his every whim in a bid for power. That's pretty damn despicable.
Outside of Margarita (whose shadow wasn't even used in his army) and a few marines, most of Moria's victims were pirates, that is people he as a Shichibukai was suppose to take down and were not innocent. Calling him the most despicable when One Piece has mass murders, cruel tyrants, and corrupt slime-balls who are willing sacrifice their own men for their gain is dumb.
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Didn't mean most despicable. Just despicable.
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Foxy, just Foxy.
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Outside of Margarita (whose shadow wasn't even used in his army) and a few marines, most of Moria's victims were pirates, that is people he as a Shichibukai was suppose to take down and were not innocent. Calling him the most despicable when One Piece has mass murders, cruel tyrants, and corrupt slime-balls who are willing sacrifice their own men for their gain is dumb.
Wasn't the person who had Zoro's shadow famous for fighting off people to protect his family?
Originally Posted by Norisuke Higashikata IV
"Your stand is like your asshole. You can't go around showing it off to other people."
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Wasn't the person who had Zoro's shadow famous for fighting off people to protect his family?
I think he meant the shadows not the dead bodies.
Mentioning the dead bodies; I don't know if all people will agree with me on this, but messing with corpses is pretty damn despicable if you ask me. I never understood why Moria is casually accepted around here (as in he's only lazy, not really evil).
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Wasn't the person who had Zoro's shadow famous for fighting off people to protect his family?
He was, but the poster I was responding to was referring to only Moriah stealing shadows and leaving them in a life in fear of the sun.
Plus, there is no evidence that Moriah or his crew killed Jigoro, they probably just stole his corpse, so really I don't understand the point your trying to make. Again, most of Moriah's victims were pirates, not innocent people nor are his actions as atrocious to many of the heavies in One Piece. He's nowhere on the same level as Spandam or Arlong, both of whom have committed far more horrific acts. -
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NUFF SAID.Die, you damn fangirl.
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Die, you damn fangirl.
Actually I could give a damn about Ace, I just think it's cruel to kill someones family member in front of their face.
Also I'm a dude.
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He killed a pirate, that's all. You think he should have stopped because Luffy was there ? And actually, he was aiming for Luffy.
You may say he's a dick for killing innocent people at Ohara or saying what he said about Whitebeard's crew, and for the marines he killed, but no one can blame him for killing Ace or trying to kill Luffy. He was simply doing his job, and pretty well. -
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He killed a pirate, that's all. You think he should have stopped because Luffy was there ? And actually, he was aiming for Luffy.
Well to be fair, Akainu did say "take a good look" as he lunged toward Luffy. He obviously wanted to torment Ace by killing Luffy in front of him before going for him next.
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And in addition to that, his reason for killing Ace (and wanting to kill Luffy) was because they were the sons of criminals. He didn't say "you have to die because you went around beating up Marines" or "you have to die because you broke into and out of Impel Down", but "you have to die because we don't like your dad".
It was the most justified "evil" thing he did, but his intentions were still wrong.
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Getting a refresher course in fishman supremacy courtesy of Arlong bumped him up a bit on the list.
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Macro.
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NUFF SAID.I've said a lot more about him, but I was aiming for how awesome a villainous character Oda made him to be.
He's no where near close to being "the most despicable". What he's upholding and the party he protects, that's truly despicable. Of course, I'm talking about Absolute Justice, and the Nobles.
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And in addition to that, his reason for killing Ace (and wanting to kill Luffy) was because they were the sons of criminals. He didn't say "you have to die because you went around beating up Marines" or "you have to die because you broke into and out of Impel Down", but "you have to die because we don't like your dad".
It was the most justified "evil" thing he did, but his intentions were still wrong.
He wouldn't try to kill them that hard if they weren't criminals themselves. Of course their bloodlines are an important matter for him, but they're not his main reason for wanting to kill them.
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The most despicable villain from One Piece and the one I hate the most.. Well, that's easy: Spandam. He treated Robin like crap, and the only reason for doing so was because she know how to read poneglyphs. Woah, that's such a big crime. He would never even have been able to touch her if she hadn't had those seastone handcuffs on, because he's a weak shit. Men are seriously just gay if they hit women. And besides that, I hate his voice actor and his stupid laugh and elephant sword (or whatever it is).
Next to him it's probably Arlong. Though I don't hate him as much as Spandam, I do hate Arlong a lot too. He was so mean against Nami and I hate him for killing Bellemere. If Nami ever met Arlong again I think she could beat the shit out of him, especially after timeskip.. or.. maybe he's been training too.. OKAY I DON'T KNOW D: …Oda's good at making really evil and hateable villains, I give him that.
I kinda missed your point here, lol.
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The most despicable villain from One Piece and the one I hate the most.. Well, that's easy: Spandam. He treated Robin like crap, and the only reason for doing so was because she know how to read poneglyphs. Woah, that's such a big crime. He would never even have been able to touch her if she hadn't had those seastone handcuffs on, because he's a weak shit. Men are seriously just gay if they hit women. And besides that, I hate his voice actor and his stupid laugh and elephant sword (or whatever it is).
I disagree that hitting women = bad (totally ignoring the fact that you just called them gay as if it were a bad thing) What Spandam did was despicable cause he hit a defenseless person, it had nothing to do with gender. Women and men should be equal; even Luffy thinks that cause he's hit women at least several times (Alvida, Vivi two times and Ms. Valentine) and threatened to beat up Hancock as well.
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Kuro was a swindler, no big deal.
Actually, If Kuro's plan had actually succeeded, he's worse than Arlong in principal.
He was going to kill EVERYONE on the island eventually. Even his own crew. Arlong let the village pay for their lives, Kuro never gave that option. He didn't even give his own crew that option…. yeah.
Sure... it looks bad because Arlong bullied a child, but Kuro would've just flat out killed them.
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Why? o:
Because unlike Reyairia, I didn't ignore the fact that you just called them gay as if it were a bad thing.
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pyromonki;2215491]Actually, If Kuro's plan had actually succeeded, he's worse than Arlong in principal.
He was going to kill EVERYONE on the island eventually. Even his own crew. Arlong let the village pay for their lives, Kuro never gave that option. He didn't even give his own crew that option…. yeah.
Sure... it looks bad because Arlong bullied a child, but Kuro would've just flat out killed them.
I agree. I think people don't see Kuro as the villain he is because he appeared in the beginning of the series, when arcs were short and new characters didn't get as much development.
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Actually, If Kuro's plan had actually succeeded, he's worse than Arlong in principal.
He was going to kill EVERYONE on the island eventually. Even his own crew. Arlong let the village pay for their lives, Kuro never gave that option. He didn't even give his own crew that option…. yeah.
Sure... it looks bad because Arlong bullied a child, but Kuro would've just flat out killed them.
Wait what? Wasn't Kuro's plan to live out his life peacefully in the village?
As i recall it he was going to order a diversionary attack on the villlage, make it seem real but not really go after them more than neccesary, then have his crew kill Kaya after she signs the will, and then get rid of his crew. Where did the kill the rest of the villagers part of the plot come in to play?
Did i miss part of his plan?
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Wait what? Wasn't Kuro's plan to live out his life peacefully in the village?
As i recall it he was going to order a diversionary attack on the villlage, make it seem real but not really go after them more than neccesary, then have his crew kill Kaya after she signs the will, and then get rid of his crew. Where did the kill the rest of the villagers part of the plot come in to play?
Did i miss part of his plan?
Nope, Kuro didn't plan to kill any one in the village but Kaya and then slaughter his crew. Well, I guess he tried to kill Merry but that was because the half-moon makes him bloodthirsty and because his plan was going into action, soon.
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Wait what? Wasn't Kuro's plan to live out his life peacefully in the village?
As i recall it he was going to order a diversionary attack on the villlage, make it seem real but not really go after them more than neccesary, then have his crew kill Kaya after she signs the will, and then get rid of his crew. Where did the kill the rest of the villagers part of the plot come in to play?
Did i miss part of his plan?
I think he just wanted several others to die as well so that Kaya's death wasn't as suspicious.
Certainly not all of them.
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I think Macro is earning the "most despicable" title. He's in the background and he's not being incredibly villainous, but man is he irredeemable. Especially after he's been on both sides of the slave trade.
Other villains are more interesting to watch or to hate, but he's pretty much just scum.
