It's not really the thought.
It's the thought behind these regimes, it's the thought behind fascism and vanguardist communism.
If you're going to try and draw comparisons to make your point then do it right. Akainu isn't at the top of the Marines nor the government and your speculation as to the workings of the WG (calling it a dictatorship with no proof) and upcoming events just seem like more hot air.
My god you are one dumb motherfucker.
I didn't even think it was possible for someone not to be able and follow baby's first big bad government story here in One Piece but boom here you are. An idiot.
You are a remarkable specimen. Of what though I haven't yet figured out.
Not sure where your shichibukai comment was going.
lol, oh come one.
Obviously there is accountability in the military. We've seen several Officers demoted or removed for abusing their power.
The accountability isn't democratic. The military in democratic countries is given it's greater orders by parliaments and congress.
The WG military is clearly accountable to only the WG, who are run by five old guys rather then an elected body.
And again you don't know how the Gorusei got their positions.
Yeah sorry, I'm going to go with Occams razor here and not your hilariously retarded reading of this clear children's comic book. You realize you're basically AGOG? Except instead of Perona you have some really funny completely un-author intended obsession with the WG and the stooges in it who go crazy for them?
You. Are AGOG.
Less and less am I caring about your authority fetish then how you're actually kind of just a dumb fanboy.
If you randomly fell in love with Dragon I'd be having to argue against an insane anti-establishment anarcho-communist position you'd be holding lol.
If they were elected from the group of world leaders who attended that meeting then this is more hot air.
LOLLLLL at even THINKING this is how it works.
You're a laugh riot!
We know that the WG is comprised of over 100 nations and that each of those nations seems to still have full control over it's citizens with no overarching laws or police besides the Marines who are forced to recognize a nations independent laws and military even during an issue of conflicting interest to an extent.
Except when the WG decides that those islands need to be literally annihilated down to the babies when they find an excuse. I'm sure the Buster Call is totally up to vote!
Since we know that these 100+ nations came together and decided to create this WG
That is not what happened.
Now you can't even get the text right let alone the subtext. Christ amighty boy.
There was an alliance of 20 kingdoms that formed the WG, and those are not the member nations.
They are the…. can ya guess? You yourself seemed to think they were pretty awful people.
i think confederation is a much more appropriate term for the type of Gov't…obv that that ideal doesn't suit your low men with batons theory so thats not really worth discussing...
This isn't a common institution by the very nature of it's formation that you seem to have forgotten. Mainly since the member nations were not the founders and creators.
It seems that way. But if the UN could do whatever it wanted and the UN represented the will of the nations that comprised it then that's no different from an elected congress or senate passing whatever laws they see fit and declaring war on whoever they want even without the peoples direct consent over every issue.
lol if you think the Elder Stars give a fuck what the kinks think at the end of the day.
If anything it probably works like Iran, that's the best you're going to have here. Iran. Happy with that? I sure wouldn't be.
And that's pushing it as it is.
So as far as we know
If we are literally tiny babies who have never encountered fictional big government stories before.
we have independent nations with their own forms of gov't coming together to make a bigger gov't
Except this isn't what happened lol.
and pooling their resources into a military force
Well that's pure assumption ironically enough.
that exist separate from them but still with the purpose of protecting them and an executive/legislative branch that also has the interest of this union in mind.
So I like that because we saw a bunch of kings (kings not even being elected leaders) once this means we should assume the authoritarian government has a parliament. Right.
I don't really see anything evil about that especially since if you swamp some pieces around it resembles the EU or the UN…
I wonder who the Revolutionary Guard would be here, Marines? Or Agents. Hard call.
It's even interesting that a vague religious theme is centered on the WG what with holy city…very similar. I wonder if they have clerics too...
Not his laws. The laws of the WG which is a confederation of the nations that comprise it. So…everyone's laws? That they agreed upon 700 years ago? If the founding father put a few emergency laws into the constitution and all the states still ratified it then they're just laws at that point. Price of freedom? At that point does anyone even ask that question...
I love how the completely wrong idea you have about the WG's founding plays through all your assumptions, it's like I don't even have to do anything after pointing it out once.
By that logic they shouldn't believe the things about Garp or Sengoku either.
Not for that reason certainly.
And lets just ignore that luffy was responsible for the worst prison break in history releasing tons of deadly criminals back into the world on unsuspecting civilians.
About 30 guys made it out with him who weren't from the low levels, and they're sticking with Buggy and a bunch probably died during the war.
The actual prison break anyone was worried about was the one Blackbeard incited. Notice how Sengoku didn't seem to give a shit about what Luffy did but was furious and worried over what Blackbeard did. Nor was this Luffy's intentions.
Also fucking look at you picking sides over the goddamn protagonist. You are such a fucking AGOG!
But he's a good guy, that Caribou is jerk though…killing pirates the way he did. And that Marine officer.
Oh right….you struggle with even the most basic subtext.
Well here's what it suggests! :happy:
That Caribou is completely amoral and probably kills helpless people of any sort casually along with selling and capturing slaves as he has recently been shown to do.
Thank god luffy has never beaten a marine officer to death.
He hasn't lol.
I quess all those Gomu-Gomu punches and tree swipes he pulled at Enis Lobby just dazzed them briefly.
Actually yes, that is how One Piece works.
God, you really can't do this at all can you.
Then they all went home to their families and it was nice and happy. Pirates are awesome.
How dumb can you be to walk away from One Piece and villianize Luffy.
That's amazing. You were kicked in the head as a child right?
I know you probably can't do productive things because of this, but maybe you should try to not do pastimes either since clearly you can't follow a story either.
For all your talk about me being a fat (and i'm totz not fat) lazy etc you should go spend some time around real pirates.
Yes, because if there's one thing true of One Piece it's that the pirates behave like pirates.
YOU.SUCK.SO.BAD.AT.THIS.
WHY
Yes because you've proven infallibly that that is the nature of the WG. You don't have sources or citations just a hunch and gung-ho attitude.
Well at least I'm basing it off basic fucking logic and not a completely wrong assertion like someone lol.
Have you figured out who actually created the WG yet?
I know all this Libyan stuff has got you all riled up and you're living out your revolutionist dreams vicariously through whatever media you can get your hands on but aren't you guy who just waved the Patriot Act away like it was no big infringement on human rights when it suited your argument while at the same time bashing me for being complacent with the kind of laws it enforced as a necessary evil or at least one that all nations deal with whether openly or behind closed doors…
Libya has nothing to do with it considering Libya wasn't happening last time I rubbed your face in your own shit of this issue. Remember those times? Well of course! Since you're bringing it up.
When the hell did I "wave away" the Patriot Act?
Oh wait, if I recall it was when I pointed out that what Akainu does (straight up murdering civilians under his jurisdiction) would never fly if western governments because that's stuff that can be gotten away with against foreign civilians. And that bad though it is the Patriot Act does not begin to compare. And you're hilariously naive if you think the American people of any walk would casually be alright if we bombed an evacuation vessel of our citizins leaving say Saigon because maybe just maybe a communist spy possibly could have been on board.
So yeah, way to forget or try to change context.
Maybe your memory isn't so good, maybe you thought Libya was under a revolution a year ago too.
brushie brushie….
No see, "lol at brushing this under the rug" means you just made another big smelly poop on the rug.
Meaning you can't act coy and come up with some cute onomatopoeia because if you try to brush a big turd under the rug it will just smear and cover the thing in your festering filth.
And just like pretending the whole Void Century thing doesn't exist would never matter and we'll all look the other way, well just like a big reeking poop smear you can never get rid of it.
We all know it's there, and it's going to hurt our perception of the WG for all time.
Well if it's not OK at the very least EVERYONE is doing it.
And….?
I mean you can be the single voice of integrity and reason because that nation existed in history once. I don't remember it or know when. It probably didn't last long. A couple of hours at most. But i'm sure it was there and for a few shining moments a beacon of justice in an otherwise corrupt and shady world stood out defiantly…before being crushed and forgotten...
Our current nations are as good as they are thanks to morals and rationality, basically enlightenment principles.
The constant dogging of them to live up to higher standards has made them arrive at where they are, warts and continued issues aside.
To act like none of this matters is to be hilariously, and I mean funnier then anything, hilariously clueless toward history.
For your stance to make even the slightest bit of sense human civilization would not have progressed at all from day one.
I need to again bring up the fat lazy pampered thing, you better be glad you can sit around in peace and prosperity like we can in this part of the world in century 21. Because if everyone thought like you we wouldn't even be out of fucking Mesopotamia. You wouldn't even get Greece.
The inevitable downfall of all nihilists: Reality.
You live in a world of ideas, everything you take for granted every day exists because of ideas, the very concepts that even goddamned Akainu acts on is ideas. He's nothing like you!
Just like you said he operates on firm belief that all he does is right, he isn't brushing a damn thing under the rug. He'd probably publish the civilian massacre proudly in a newspaper.
Why the hell does a worthless stanceless shit like you love a character whose ideals couldn't possibly be stronger??
You're a hardcore atheist professing love for Fred Phelps!!
You don't know your ass from your elbow here.
Now you're going to go "what a tool," as i'm backed up by the entirety of human history…
I'm gonna submit a jpg of this to Webster for pictoral use under "irony".
I mean mother of fuck, people even go against their ideas…..FOR ideas. ahahaha.
I don't know if Oda intended for us to think of things through Akainu's eyes
Oooh! I know! I know this one!
Hell I'll go even father and say he intends to make him all the more hated because he killed Ace even though killing Ace wasn't an act of evil!
but i think empathy brings characters to life.
And kills the story when you are too stupid to do it right.
Oda is drawing on some kind of reference to real world figures or archetypes that we're all familiar with. Just going Akainu is a dick with no saving grace and everything he's done is inexcusable and if you disagree then you're fat and you hate freedoms…well...that's very Akainu of you isn't it :getlost:
I'm not an extremist though hth.
Or maybe i just don't give a fuck. Maybe this is me being a nihilists( it's not but you're funny)
yup yup
but we've got more than enough problems here without me having to worry about what unstable middle eastern country is now extra unstable
Libya was incredibly stable, as was Tunisia, and Egypt.
Of course the instability in Tunisia right now is horrifying acts of violence such as sacking of parliamentary figures, resigning of senior officials, protests against brothels, and the bloody madness that is bank asset freezing.
Also you should always care about what country is unstable.
A certain "Afghanistan" was a very unstable place and golly did this ever lead to unscrupulous rulers who let certain plotting bearded people chill in their rec room while they thought up crazy ideas about using planes to….. nah but I'm boring you with trivia aren't I.
and whether it will stay that way or just go back to being normal unstable. What are you going to do, fly to libya and join in.
Oh I see, you're upset that I called you lazy. I guess this is fair, except my ideas don't de-appreciate the place I actually live like you and your sneering at idealism. The founding fathers would take turns bitchslapping you, yeah, even the guys who wrote the Alien Sedition act.
You've probably been waiting your whole life for a moment like this so
You're right I have been waiting to have people I chat to on this forum be possibly killed by missiles, only to have them be alive and have them post gruesome pictures of body pieces from those same missiles, and so that I could be affected by this and extra fucking intolerant of morons like you.
Oh but sorry for caring about a thing. Maybe I haven't been watching enough South Park…
you would just so you could get shot and wear it as a smug "i was there" badge of honor. Maybe if one of those nations had nukes. This little thing in China.
ahahahaha, nobody, nobody who wants to come off as either history read or a hard boiled realist would even let themselves be this naive.
i think i'm going to bow out at this point…let you post smileys back to me or something before i get another warning for off-topic discussion...
"STOP ATTACKING THIS CIVILIAN MURDERING NAZI
Bwuh???? A warning from a mod??? Jesus christ….fucking forum police on my ass...."