Kaido is the emperor, not the Swordsman that is in BB crew now.
I don't follow. Are you saying that design was used for Shiryuu in the end and therefore can't be kaido? I'm talking about the picture where Garp shows the 4 yonkou…
Kaido is the emperor, not the Swordsman that is in BB crew now.
I don't follow. Are you saying that design was used for Shiryuu in the end and therefore can't be kaido? I'm talking about the picture where Garp shows the 4 yonkou…
Noah is the area, not the boss. I personally think the boss looks a lot like the Kaido image we saw in the impel down arc.
Ah, misread. Also, Kaido being at Fishmen Island may be a little far-fetched. I doubt Oda work throw another Yonkou at us so quick.
To be cold. Have you ever been disappointed in a logia in this manga?
Yes. Every Logia user we've seen to date, has had a big part to play in the story…..w.e Oda has planned...it should be something good.
What if he ate a Zoan fish-type? :ninja:
then he would be the most useless underwater boss ever
"noah" looks like a black haired santa claus :P
the hell ?
Noah is the basement/ship/location of the boss.
Excellent chapter, I believe that the 'boss' is in fact a relative of Arlong, or Arlong himself.
can't be arlong. he was referred to as a seperate person.
i think it's a relative, which would still give them just as much bad blood towards luffy.
While I do see resemblances of Arlong, I would not presume it is infact Arlong in his best.
There is this unexplained part where they supposedly should have been locked up, quite possibly in Impel Down. Thats where they would have gone, and if they did go there, chances are they too broke out, but through the "Blugori food hatches".
But anyways, about the fishman commanding sea kings that any fishman can do;
No, I like to think of Mermen, Fishmen as a variety of race along a kind of Hiearchy.
I had a rather interesting talk with a friend over the debate how Fishmen could command Sea kings:
Im not very sure, but I think that Fishmen can be identified through a Hierarchy. And some of the fishmen higher up the ladder come with a natural gift as they either grow or when they are born; to communicate and tame Sea kings. Arlong didnt possess the Haki we know at the time, but he could convince Momoo to act otherwise of what he was ideally trying to do.
That may just have been Momoo being afraid of Arlong, but seeing these Sea Kings im starting to think otherwise. Because, Arlong wasnt all that threatening on a scale with Sea Kings once we saw him battle Luffy.
So is it just possible, that 10x Strength is not the only thing that Fishmen possess that they are worldwide known for? Oda will tell us later I am sure, or atleast prove me to be an idiot overthinking things. ^^
As for these discussions towards a new crewmate. I've seen mixed sorts but generally the tension is rising since they arrived at Fishman Island. Im holding my bet, again when I talked with my friend that im holding out for Smoker. Yes, Smoker. The guy that relentlessly chases Luffy.
Everyone talked about Margaret when she appeared, everyone talked about hancock when she appeared. Both of them pissed me off. Other than being completly arrogant, Hancock actually had little depth and is really just a crazed lover who could turn desperate men into stone (Marines on cruisers several hundred meters away wooed at her! Desperate or what!?)
Jimbei: Please, i'll just skip him.
Now, Smoker on the other hand actually falls in as an interesting choice.
Every other strawhat that joined Luffy, were all introduced at that very arc. Unlike them, Smoker has been around for a long time and has had that lovely little Luffy promoting their relation (from Luffy's perspective). And if he were to join, he would need an Arc that I seriously would consider awesome. Simple analogy:
Smoker discovers trails to hunt Strawhats. After series of events, Smoker ends up discovering something he should not have, and is discarded and dispatched by the Goverment. In the dispatch, everyone on his ship is killed. His marines, Tashigi as well and he is left, thought to be dead.
After that, you can come up with all sorts of ideas, an arc like that comes around as a rather interesting one, atleast to me. And I wouldnt mind seeing that after Fishman Arc or an extra Arc before.
If its a fishman that comes to join them, I dont mind it at all. I even thought about the fishman as a possible recruitment and how He would be built.
1. Role:
Every strawhat has a role to fulfill on the ship, and a Fishman would be a very helpful addition. Being able to assist with underwater complications such as obstacles and attacking sea kings (nobody ever questioned why a sea king hasnt attacked the boat directly yet?). And to add to this, the Fishman would be able to assist with navigation, often coming to agreements with Nami during their travels (Another fine twist, Nami with a Fishman). It came to mind, since every strawhat has another member they go along well with. Zoro with Sanji for fighting power, Usopp and Franky for artillery and ranged combat, Chopper and Robin with intelligence. Brook for keeping entertainment, a new branch. Nami never had any real co-member she went along well with when it comes to duty, and a Fishman would play out rather decently to fill that role.
2. Character:
Something to match Nami, im sure you can think of your ideals. =)
3. Fighting Ability:
Being a Fishman, preferrably higher up in the ladder (See references before), he would have 10x strength and Fishman Haki, a good combination for taking care of underwater Fights. And if we assume he is going to be strawhat material, he needs another side he can fulfill. Navigation or Exploration. You know, being good at scouting the surroundings and informing Nami, or Scouting the underwater enviroment for potential strategic points. But for land combat, I know very little what he could do. Fishmen have appeared so rarely we never really can guess what they are good at except Brawn.
Hopefully this'll get some discussion going. =)
Excellent chapter, I believe that the 'boss' is in fact a relative of Arlong, or Arlong himself.
His nose is different, it can't be Arlong. I'd rather he be Arlong's older brother.
Who despised Arlong because Arlong thought he was better than HIS OLDER BROTHER. Muhuhahaha. And then he ends up joining the Straw Hats.
the biggest lawlz moment is when an okama fishman comes out to fight. sanjis gonna go he-man on that ass
@Gil:
His nose is different, it can't be Arlong. I'd rather he be Arlong's older brother.
Who despised Arlong because Arlong thought he was better than HIS OLDER BROTHER. Muhuhahaha. And then he ends up joining the Straw Hats.
That spot is for Jinbei, and Jinbei only!
the biggest lawlz moment is when an okama fishman comes out to fight. sanjis gonna go he-man on that ass
Great idea. Someone needs to draw that, just incase Oda doesn't.
Yes I have one thing to say. Page 17 of the 608th chapter of One Piece in the final panel is without a doubt Arlong. People have been saying it is not him simply because of the nose. But, are we all forgetting what happened in his fight his Luffy? As the battle climaxed Luffy snapped Arlong's nose! This happened right before Luffy took down Arlong Park. This would explain why Arlong currently has no long nose. Also, I would like to point out that the lips, mouth, and blackish hair of the new "boss" greatly resemble Arlong. The only thing that doesn't add up is his jaw. But, I have not examined that real closely. Arlong's return would explain his symbol on Hammond and the new fishman pirates (the one that Nami noticed). But I guess we'll see…
You seemed to have double-posted….
@runes:
As the battle climaxed Luffy snapped Arlong's nose!
Even if he did, the nose would still be jagged.
The shadowed Fishman, either way, doesn't have a jagged nose.
@runes:
Yes I have one thing to say. Page 17 of the 608th chapter of One Piece in the final panel i****s without a doubt Arlong. People have been saying it is not him simply because of the nose. But, are we all forgetting what happened in his fight his Luffy? As the battle climaxed Luffy snapped Arlong's nose! This happened right before Luffy took down Arlong Park. This would explain why Arlong currently has no long nose. Also, I would like to point out that the lips, mouth, and blackish hair of the new "boss" greatly resemble Arlong. The only thing that doesn't add up is his jaw. But, I have not examined that real closely. Arlong's return would explain his symbol on Hammond and the new fishman pirates (the one that Nami noticed). But I guess we'll see…
Confident aren't we
Another thing that might not make it Arlong, in terms of looks is his big round head. Then again could just be a hat or something,, (I'm sure it is a hat actually..)
Also his hair may just be dark due to the shading. But like you said… We'll see
Also heres a really good picture of Arlong to compare -
So are you suggesting that Arlong changed his name after being defeated, and now refers to his old self in the third person? Because there is a very clear statement that they are going back to Noah to tell the boss that Straw Hat Luffy, the man who crushed Arlong-san's dream, is here. Why would they word it that way if it were Arlong himself they were going to say it to?
^That, and his head shape, make me pretty confident that it isn't Arlong. Also, even if we assumed that Arlong lost a large part of his nose - though it seems like a lot of people have forgotten that he bent it right back in shape after Luffy snapped it - I'm not sure it would like that, anyway.
Without browsing the previous pages of the thread and checking if it was mentioned but did anyone notice that this "boss" charter is named Noah and he seems to be located in or around a huge Ark located on both pages 9 & 17 on the mid-bottom.
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/32383345/9
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/32383345/17
Wonder Oda will try to rekindle the old story of Noah's Ark into the One Piece story board?!
Any suggestions?
Wow seriously dude you know about Noahs arc which was a ship and you even could see the ship and thought the boss was called noah?
The ship is called Noah not him it is their base.
Guys, it's absolutely not Arlong. Seriously. Even if his nose was permanently destroyed it certainly wouldn't like that. The teeth are different, the hair is different, the entire facial bone structure is different, Hammond referred to Arlong as a different person. It may be a relative but it's practically certain not to be Arlong. Anyone saying otherwise is fooling themselves.
oh dont forget Apis.
SMACK
This is the manga section! Do not bring up anime filler crap unto these here parts!
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Besides, she isn't dead.
The villain isn't nessaceraly blood releated to Arlong, he might be a brother-like kind of guy from the old fishman pirates! But i'd really like it more if it infact was Arlongs brother!
While I do see resemblances of Arlong, I would not presume it is infact Arlong in his best.
There is this unexplained part where they supposedly should have been locked up, quite possibly in Impel Down. Thats where they would have gone, and if they did go there, chances are they too broke out, but through the "Blugori food hatches".
Wow, and they thought Impel Down was unescapable, besides the case of Golden Lion, WOW. []
lolz if there were escape attempts, there would've been news boy.
I'm not sure, but isn't Arlong kept at some marine base?
Moreover, who knows what could happen during the two years timeskip.
The villain isn't nessaceraly blood releated to Arlong, he might be a brother-like kind of guy from the old fishman pirates! But i'd really like it more if it infact was Arlongs brother!
Oh come on, why his brother? Fishman Island is big !
Oh come on, why his brother? Fishman Island is big !
Yeah… I know .... I think it just sounded better....
I expect him to be weaker than Luffy. I think it's too early for Luffy to fight with an opponent that will force him to go all out like Crocodile and Lucci battle (given if they fight).
Jimbei better not be locked up again.
Wow, and they thought Impel Down was unescapable, besides the case of Golden Lion, WOW. []
lolz if there were escape attempts, there would've been news boy.
what makes you think he Gov is not just gonna cover it up like they do with more stuff?
And there WAS an escape. Luffy trying to save Ace.
He wasn't in the main force, but who says he couldn't have snuk out after everyone left?
I definitely don't think that Arlong is the boss, but I'm just saying that Arlong might be around somewhere.
the crew is called the new fishman pirates, i think the Boss was one of the prisoners in level6 in Impel down and escaped after what happened 2 years again then formed this new crew, so i think he's gonna be a bad ass, stronger than Jembei and a good match for Luffy, after all i think luffy has the level of a silver medalist right now, i dont think he is on the same level of a Yonku or an Admiral
the crew is called the new fishman pirates, i think the Boss was one of the prisoners in level6 in Impel down and escaped after what happened 2 years again then formed this new crew, so i think he's gonna be a bad ass, stronger than Jembei and a good match for Luffy, after all i think luffy has the level of a silver medalist right now, i dont think he is on the same level of a Yonku or an Admiral
most likely not stronger than jimbei. only reason i say this is because if in fact jimbei is the leader of the neptune army, then the neptune army would've ceased to exist by now. so i would say the boss of the NFP is either weaker or as strong as jimbei. jimbei is very very strong compared to the majority of fishman, so dont count him out.
most likely not stronger than jimbei. only reason i say this is because if in fact jimbei is the leader of the neptune army, then the neptune army would've ceased to exist by now. so i would say the boss of the NFP is either weaker or as strong as jimbei. jimbei is very very strong compared to the majority of fishman, so dont count him out.
i'm not counting him out maybe he is as strong as Jembei or a bit stronger, after all Jembei was as strong as Ace with his devil fruit, but if he is the boss that luffy is gonna fight i think he should be a silver medalist level and luffy will fight him and beat him because Jembei couldn't
i'm not counting him out maybe he is as strong as Jembei or a bit stronger, after all Jembei was as strong as Ace with his devil fruit, but if he is the boss that luffy is gonna fight i think he should be a silver medalist level and luffy will fight him and beat him because Jembei couldn't
i just got a feeling this is gonna be another duval moment but if ends up not being a duval copycat, then it would be a great showcase for luffy's strength, since fishman are strength-based, and luffy can be shown matching or greater than that
Every fodder villain that has made a reappearance has differed from the case of Don Krieg (He will be our example here), aka a typical Fodder villain. Fodder villains want to destroy something without any special terms to it. Captain Kuro simply wanting riches, Don Krieg wanting the diary and a new ship. And in East blue, each strawhat that was introduced up to Don Krieg had no relation with the villain of that mini-arc.
Buggy differs here of different reasons. Debates hint that Buggy would possibly have won had he not been distracted by Nami's attempt of theft (Really, wouldnt you be distracted if you fought one enemy, and the other tried to steal all your riches?). Anyways, Buggy made a comeback with that basis (or so I think), whats to say Arlong wont?
Here are things that differ him from our typical fodder villain:
1. Unlike most east blue villains, he didnt want a physical object, he wanted Nami. Luffy and Arlong were the first hero vs villain to be fighting over a crewmate.
2. He's a fishman, and we are at Fishman arc. Says enough, but there is more. He could be potential material to explain Fishman Haki as I like to call it. You know how the Fishmen seem to be able to command Sea Kings like its an everyday thing. I'll simply call it Fishman Haki since its relatable to Caimie's demonstration of communication with fish at one point as well.
You could call it simple fish to fish language, but how would that relate to these NFP just sitting on the backs of a gang of Sea kings and ordering them. They even managed to subdue the Kraken with fear, that could snap a ship in two with a single tentacle and had to be beat into submission by the Strawhats.
3. Merman Hierarchy:
You probably read it in my last post, but I didnt explain my idea too well, so i'll try and do it properly this time:
Fishmen all come with superhuman strength, roughly 10x of what a Human has. If this is a trait every single Merman has, then I really become interested in what the more powerful Mermen have.
This was explained back in Arlong Park when Sanji confirmed there are Ranks within the Mermen;
"This is the power of a shark, the most powerful among the Mermen."
Remember that quote? Sanji's idea may be useless as there can be ranks above shark Mermen, but lets settle with that for now. Shark mermen are at the known top, and can endlessly regrow their teeth within seconds.
Arlong also commanded Momoo with a few words. This may have been Momoo actually fearing Arlong for normal reason, but I dont really think so. Because had that been the case, they wouldnt have had Momoo in the first place. Forced loyalty never beats obedient loyalty, and Arlong showed us he doesnt exactly resort to those to convince someone, except in the case of humans (which you can understand knowing what we know now).
And if hypothetically there are higher ranks up than Shark Mermen, maybe we will come across stronger versions of Fishman Haki?
For all I know though, this Fisman Haki might juts be regular Haki that comes naturally to mermen, still explainable.
So my guess is we will see Arlong again in this arc, too many facts proving this to deny the chance.
Every fodder villain that has made a reappearance has differed from the case of Don Krieg (He will be our example here), aka a typical Fodder villain. Fodder villains want to destroy something without any special terms to it. Captain Kuro simply wanting riches, Don Krieg wanting the diary and a new ship. And in East blue, each strawhat that was introduced up to Don Krieg had no relation with the villain of that mini-arc.
Buggy differs here of different reasons. Debates hint that Buggy would possibly have won had he not been distracted by Nami's attempt of theft (Really, wouldnt you be distracted if you fought one enemy, and the other tried to steal all your riches?). Anyways, Buggy made a comeback with that basis (or so I think), whats to say Arlong wont?
Here are things that differ him from our typical fodder villain:
1. Unlike most east blue villains, he didnt want a physical object, he wanted Nami. Luffy and Arlong were the first hero vs villain to be fighting over a crewmate.
2. He's a fishman, and we are at Fishman arc. Says enough, but there is more. He could be potential material to explain Fishman Haki as I like to call it. You know how the Fishmen seem to be able to command Sea Kings like its an everyday thing. I'll simply call it Fishman Haki since its relatable to Caimie's demonstration of communication with fish at one point as well.You could call it simple fish to fish language, but how would that relate to these NFP just sitting on the backs of a gang of Sea kings and ordering them. They even managed to subdue the Kraken with fear, that could snap a ship in two with a single tentacle and had to be beat into submission by the Strawhats.
3. Merman Hierarchy:
You probably read it in my last post, but I didnt explain my idea too well, so i'll try and do it properly this time:
Fishmen all come with superhuman strength, roughly 10x of what a Human has. If this is a trait every single Merman has, then I really become interested in what the more powerful Mermen have.
This was explained back in Arlong Park when Sanji confirmed there are Ranks within the Mermen;
Remember that quote? Sanji's idea may be useless as there can be ranks above shark Mermen, but lets settle with that for now. Shark mermen are at the known top, and can endlessly regrow their teeth within seconds.
Arlong also commanded Momoo with a few words. This may have been Momoo actually fearing Arlong for normal reason, but I dont really think so. Because had that been the case, they wouldnt have had Momoo in the first place. Forced loyalty never beats obedient loyalty, and Arlong showed us he doesnt exactly resort to those to convince someone, except in the case of humans (which you can understand knowing what we know now).
And if hypothetically there are higher ranks up than Shark Mermen, maybe we will come across stronger versions of Fishman Haki?
For all I know though, this Fisman Haki might juts be regular Haki that comes naturally to mermen, still explainable.So my guess is we will see Arlong again in this arc, too many facts proving this to deny the chance.
to follow up on the hierarchy of the fishman, we can use the whole zoan family as an example. i think it was said somewhere, but iuno where the quote is that the carnivorous zoans were generally more powerful. so i think the animal kingdom plays a big part in power
edit: don krieg wasn't fodder. he might be fodder now, but at the point when luffy first started off, they were almost evenly matched. and luffy would have lost if he didnt get a gas mask
I referred to Don Krieg as typical Fodder because he has no relation with Sanji.
Higher class villains have all had some kind of relation with a strawhat in the past, CP9 being the agents of the world goverment and Spandam being the man in law that took away Tom-san from Franky (staged an incident that forced guilt onto Tom Workers).
If this is the case, I really hope we do not see Wapol. They need their fair share of character too. Hogback had a relation with Chopper too, but none of choppers arch villains are any I want to see again (I suppose they reflect some kind of childisness in them that I just dislike).
Please murder me if these two would reappear on a winter/haunted Island…
Anyways, Arlong stands out as an unusual fodder villain, because not only does he have a past relation with Nami, she was also in his crew serving as a cartographer and he saw her as an exception among humans. If humans were rats, she would be the cute cat, as Arlong referred her as. But then again, he was fodder in the end, and if he does not appear in this Arc, its perfectly fine.
Arlong does have good chances to appear in Fishman Arc, due to the Impel Down Riot (hey, chances were he was there and escaped through the Blugori pods, with or without his fellow crewmates), and the passage of 2 years. Anything could happen, that he fled during a transfer, stole keys and escaped on his own or simply took advantage of Luffy. I mean, he's a Merman. And we did see the Blugori use water hatches to retrieve meat from Sea kings, thats an escape route Merman exclusively could take to get out. Especially seeing as how Luffy was doing an excellent job of having the whole prison staff focus entirely on him.
EDIT: During the chapter where Rob Luchi revealed his Leopard fruit, is where Chopper stated it: Carnivorous Zoan Types are especially brutal.
Let me get this straight; you made a long-ass argument that seems to be pretty valid if not for the fact that you're referring to fishmen as mermen.
Well, actually he might still be accurate using that term. Maybe this NFP leader is really Arlong's father and they became estranged not over human-Fishman relations, but over an advertisement Arlong did for Pappagg's fashion designs….
I can just see the conversation now...
advertisement plays
Arlong's Father: I just thank the Lord your mother didn't live to see her son as a mermaid
Arlong: Not mermaid, merman! high pitched cough Merman pop!
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
Well, actually he might still be accurate using that term. Maybe this NFP leader is really Arlong's father and they became estranged not over human-Fishman relations, but over an advertisement Arlong did for Pappagg's fashion designs….
I can just see the conversation now...
advertisement plays
Arlong's Father: I just thank the Lord your mother didn't live to see her son as a mermaid
Arlong: Not mermaid, merman! high pitched cough Merman pop!
Arlong seems to be pretty old to be scolded by his father.