Last Two Nakamates (vol. 5)

Pacifista Franky

Someone is butt-hurt… Do you thought one time why Peronsa said "You are still here on the island"

Perona wondered what they were still doing here ? Meaning what ere yous till doing here fighting marines when you should be on the ship leaving. She's pissed off.
Perona is eager to see the strawhats go because her real body is already on the Sunny and shit is getting dangerous.

Anyway it's obvious Oda hasn't gone to the trouble to design a completely new design for Perona just for one panel.

Do you people even understand how Perona's devil fruit works ?
Why don't you experts apologize for insulting the people who thought Perona would accompany Zoro to Sabaody ?

That's phase 1.
Phase 2 is her being on the ship.

Her real body's gotta be somewhere. It's on the Sunny.

Urouge

@Pacifista:

This is not Perona's real body. Only her astral projection can fly. Fact.

Oda did not show a second panel of Perona fighting the Marines even though we see the marines under the effect of negative hollow. Some of them are shooting at someone. Perona's real body not being impervious to bullets this is not Perona's real body. Fact.

Oda changed Perona's design just like the rest of the srawhats. He did not change Hancocks design or any of the other secondary characters either. Only Perona who was sent flying away by Kuma just like the rest of the strawhats.

The same people who took Perona out of this poll are the same people who were convinced that Perona would never accompany Zoro to Sabaody and that Zoro would find his way back alone just for comedy. lol at them by the way.

Obviously Perona's personality has evolved. She did help Zoro and as was saw this chapter she did not do it because she's afraid of him.
She's been on sabaody alone for like 10 days waiting to help Zoro and the strawhats. Fact, bitches.

And lol at the people who claimed Perona would have been too weak to survive in the NW. She's easily raping marines.

Even more lol at the people who knew, K N E W, that Perona would remain on Mihawk's island forever ruling over a bunch of monkeys (BECAUSE IT WAS OBVIOUS. Right, brennen ? lol ).

Next week or the week after that. Perona's will appear on the Sunny.

I was the one who took Perona out of the poll, and I challenge you to actually find a post where I claimed Perona couldn't get to Sabaody. I actually predicted that Zoro would try himself and end up at Amazon Lily, but it's not like I expect all my predictions to come true.

Anyway, this is the predetermined moment. The crew has left for Fishman Island. That's been the condition all along. Even AGOG doesn't think Oda would have her show up on the ship next chapter. If she shows up, I'll admit I was wrong about this decision. Someone as aggressive as you should have more humility, though.

@Pacifista:

Why don't you experts apologize for insulting the people who thought Perona would accompany Zoro to Sabaody ?

You are the last person who has the right to ask for an apology from anyone.

DarkKinG 0

At last Perona-OUT

Pacifista Franky

@Urouge:

I was the one who took Perona out of the poll, and I challenge you to actually find a post where I claimed Perona couldn't get to Sabaody. I actually predicted that Zoro would try himself and end up at Amazon Lily, but it's not like I expect all my predictions to come true.

Anyway, this is the predetermined moment. The crew has left for Fishman Island. That's been the condition all along. Even AGOG doesn't think Oda would have her show up on the ship next chapter. If she shows up, I'll admit I was wrong about this decision. Someone as aggressive as you should have more humility, though.

You are the last person who has the right to ask for an apology from anyone.

My post wasn't addressed to you.
You're only an instrument of the majority.

AGOG was an incoherent autistic troll who spoke for himself and himself only. Let's be clear on that.

People here were ostracized, insulted down trodden and humiliated for claiming that Perona would be Zoro's guide to Sabaody because there was no way Zoro could find his way by himself.
Apologies are in order regardless of the past behavior of some people which was only the result of an extremely hostile environment which would not have happened if mods had done their jobs.

Darkstorm

@Pacifista:

You're only an instrument of the majority.

Urouge as a tool of the proletariat?

Urouge

@Pacifista:

My post wasn't addressed to you.

Your post targetted the person who took Perona out of the poll. That was me.

People here were ostracized, insulted down trodden and humiliated for claiming that Perona would be Zoro's guide to Sabaody because there was no way Zoro could find his way by himself.

Yet, that's fairly normal around these parts. If there was anything extra against the Perona supporters, it was due to people like you who drove people to it with your aggressive attitude.

Apologies are in order regardless of the past behavior of some people which was only the result of an extremely hostile environment

Apologies can only be asked for by those who are willing to apologize for themselves. I've never seen you do that, so you don't have the right to ask for one.

which would not have happened if mods had done their jobs.

A banned member who I'm allowing to post on his new account shouldn't complain of such things…

Pacifista Franky

@Darkstorm:

Urouge as a tool of the proletariat?

More of the bourgeoisie.
Perona supporters are the proletariat fighting against injustice.

Steven D. Teach

@Pacifista:

My post wasn't addressed to you.
You're only an instrument of the majority.

AGOG was an incoherent autistic troll who spoke for himself and himself only. Let's be clear on that.

People here were ostracized, insulted down trodden and humiliated for claiming that Perona would be Zoro's guide to Sabaody because there was no way Zoro could find his way by himself.
Apologies are in order regardless of the past behavior of some people which was only the result of an extremely hostile environment which would not have happened if mods had done their jobs.

You're completely ignoring the fact that a lot of the behavior you're citing was in response to condescending know-it-all behavior that Perona supporters engaged in. This isn't a black or white thing, in the nakamate thread, everyone has shown their ass a few times–what stands out, though, is how people have carried themselves. When you ask for an apology for people beating up on the idea of Zoro being escorted back to Sabaody by Perona--great, but you really have no right to do so, especially when considering you could be asked to make the same apology for the countless insults and haphazardly thrown together theories you've proposed.

The mods did do their jobs--they banned you when you stepped out of line. Want to roll the dice again?

AtomicFruit

@Pacifista:

More of the bourgeoisie.
Perona supporters are the proletariat fighting against injustice.

AGOG's offspring.

Silverblade

My, Connard is on fire today.

Darkstorm

@Pacifista:

More of the bourgeoisie.
Perona supporters are the proletariat fighting against injustice.

Your problem is that your idea of fighting against injustice is throwing paving slabs off bridges onto passing motorists.

Fezzik

@choperman:

two words fishman karate

There is no proof that hatchan knows fishman karate, he was using swords during the arlong arc and takoyaki punch doesn't sound like a karate move to me. From the arlong arc, it seemed that the sole practitioner of karate was kuroobi with no proof that any of the others knew it, and I want to believe that not every fishman practices karate. Don't know unless he went to Fishman Island during the time skip and has been training with a karate master, something that I doubt, more likely he probably set up a takoyaki shop and is living happily ever after with Camie

TLC

The problem with new nakamates is that it's gonna be hard to find new ones stronger than Usopp. Not to mention the whole time-skip thing has totally leveled up the connection between the current crew making it harder to tie them emotionally to someone new.

Fezzik

@Thousand:

The problem with new nakamates is that it's gonna be hard to find new ones stronger than Usopp. Not to mention the whole time-skip thing has totally leveled up the connection between the current crew making it harder to tie them emotionally to someone new.

That is why I am hoping for bon-chan to still be alive.

Pacifista Franky

@Urouge:

Your post targetted the person who took Perona out of the poll. That was me.

Gimme a break.
You think I keep score of what person specifically changes polls in this section ?
I meant the people who are convinced it's over for Perona.

@Urouge:

Yet, that's fairly normal around these parts. If there was anything extra against the Perona supporters, it was due to people like you who drove people to it with your aggressive attitude.

That's a complete rewrite of history but since you and your little friends have conveniently deleted most of SC's contribution to this thread, can't really argue.

@Urouge:

Apologies can only be asked for by those who are willing to apologize for themselves. I've never seen you do that, so you don't have the right to ask for one.

With the shit I've had to put up with on this thread, I'm perfectly entitled to ask for a apology especially when I've been proven right.

I'm willing to admit that right now things aren't looking good for Perona joining but I just think you should have waited until next week to write her out.

Perona's astral projection/real body has not been resolved yet.

Tsukishima

@Pacifista:

Perona's astral projection/real body has not been resolved yet.

Maybe because nobody really care about it. Perona's real body is more likely to be on the ship she used to accompagny Zoro. How could she be hiding for so long inside the sunny without being noticed by anyone.
We will see her again but not as a crewmember.

Urouge

@Thousand:

The problem with new nakamates is that it's gonna be hard to find new ones stronger than Usopp. Not to mention the whole time-skip thing has totally leveled up the connection between the current crew making it harder to tie them emotionally to someone new.

Oh come on, the story will be littered with people stronger than Usopp. Only fodder Joe won't be a threat to him anymore. Also, I'm still trying to figure out what your point is…

@Pacifista:

Gimme a break.
You think I keep score of what person specifically changes polls in this section ?

No, that's why I informed you of it in my first post.

With the shit I've had to put up with on this thread, I'm perfectly entitled to ask for a apology especially when I've been proven right.

That would make you a hypocrite.

I'm willing to admit that right now things aren't looking good for Perona joining but I just think you should have waited until next week to write her out.

Perona's astral projection/real body has not been resolved yet.

Ok, that's a valid argument. But at the same time, it seems like quite a reach.

Darkstorm

@Pacifista:

That's a complete rewrite of history but since you and your little friends have conveniently deleted most of SC's contribution to this thread, can't really argue.

I wonder if Darkstorm should talk about himself in the third person as well.

Milquetoast

@Fezzik:

That is why I am hoping for bon-chan to still be alive.

I'm sure he is. If even that birdman from Arabasta (can't remember name) can survive the bomb, then there's no way Bon Kurei died. Also, if Oda were to kill him, he'd definitely drag it out a lot longer and squeeze a lot more cheap tears out of us. But him joining the crew? I dunno about that…

So it seems like everyone (?) is assuming that there will be exactly 2 more crew members. Why's that? Did Oda write in one of the SBSs that there'll be exactly 10?

Tsukishima

Bon Clay, Sabo and Moria are alive!

RPGJay

@Tsukishima:

Bon Clay, Sabo and Moria are alive!

But what about Mr.9 and Miss Monday?

MasterKingJC

Yeah…those fuckers are dead.

Urouge

@Milquetoast:

So it seems like everyone (?) is assuming that there will be exactly 2 more crew members. Why's that? Did Oda write in one of the SBSs that there'll be exactly 10?

No, he wrote that at the end of the first chapter (Luffy's line).

Milquetoast

@Tsukishima:

Bon Clay, Sabo and Moria are alive!

Bon and Moria, yes. But Sabo…? I guess it would have been pointless to introduce him if he's not going to show up, but where has he been hiding all along? He's probably not a nobody, so why haven't either Ace or Luffy heard from him? Maybe he works with Dragon and has to remain hidden? Come to the think of it, the person who took Robin along in the carriage... He had a top hat on, right? Just checked: he has a bowler's hat and curly blonde hair. Not impossible, but highly highly unlikely.

Darkstorm

@Milquetoast:

I'm sure he is. If even that birdman from Arabasta (can't remember name) can survive the bomb, then there's no way Bon Kurei died. Also, if Oda were to kill him, he'd definitely drag it out a lot longer and squeeze a lot more cheap tears out of us. But him joining the crew? I dunno about that…

So it seems like everyone (?) is assuming that there will be exactly 2 more crew members. Why's that? Did Oda write in one of the SBSs that there'll be exactly 10?

Just 2 pages ago:

@Darkstorm:

@treesoldage:

am I just a retard but I thought that Luffy is included in the ten crew mates?

Nope:
@Stephen's:

Luffy: Get it now, you big fish?!
(grin)
Hnnn…!!
First of all, I have to find a crew.
I want ten people!!
And then a pirate flag!
Luffy + ten.

Urouge

I'm looking forward to that pirate flag. :ninja:

Bakajaro

I'm sorry if I'm insulting anyone here, but i don't see a valid reason for Perona to be OUT of the poll whilst Jinbei is still in. Heck, if Jinbei has a chance that he will join (unlikly) then perona chance is even higher. (don't mistake me for a diehard perona-for-strawhat fan :P)
Why you aks? Jinbei has a pirate crew, why would he leave his crew, furthermore, he's kinda the boss/protector of fishman island. Why is hancock out? Kinda the same reason as jinbei -> own piratecrew.
Why does perona has the highest chance? -> has no crew (she's not a captain) Nor is she as dedicated as the strawhats are to their captain, if she was than she would have rejoined Moria a long time ago.
My Personal opinion: i'd love to see her in the crew, she's kinda cute lol, but i don't see it happening actually. The fact that Oda draw up a new dress and all doesn't mean squat, he mostly do that to woman characters (Nami and Robin) and almost never does that to Male characters (Luffy and co)
(plz don't flame me :P)

Mizrath

i think that the next nakamate is going to be a helmsman, its a logical choice and the strawhats dont have someone who is specialized in that, we saw jimbei steering the marine battleship well enough but i doubt hes going to join, if anything its going to be someone completely new, probably a fishman

Mugiwara_no_Ice

@Milquetoast:

Bon and Moria, yes. But Sabo…? I guess it would have been pointless to introduce him if he's not going to show up, but where has he been hiding all along? He's probably not a nobody, so why haven't either Ace or Luffy heard from him? Maybe he works with Dragon and has to remain hidden? Come to the think of it, the person who took Robin along in the carriage... He had a top hat on, right? Just checked: he has a bowler's hat and curly blonde hair. Not impossible, but highly highly unlikely.

Wow a condensation of every wrong idea ever about Sabo. You just won yourself an internet cookie.

Urouge

@Bakajaro:

I'm sorry if I'm insulting anyone here, but i don't see a valid reason for Perona to be OUT of the poll whilst Jinbei is still in. Heck, if Jinbei has a chance that he will join (unlikly) then perona chance is even higher. (don't mistake me for a diehard perona-for-strawhat fan :P)
Why you aks? Jinbei has a pirate crew, why would he leave his crew, furthermore, he's kinda the boss/protector of fishman island. Why is hancock out? Kinda the same reason as jinbei -> own piratecrew.
Why does perona has the highest chance? -> has no crew (she's not a captain) Nor is she as dedicated as the strawhats are to their captain, if she was than she would have rejoined Moria a long time ago.
My Personal opinion: i'd love to see her in the crew, she's kinda cute lol, but i don't see it happening actually. The fact that Oda draw up a new dress and all doesn't mean squat, he mostly do that to woman characters (Nami and Robin) and almost never does that to Male characters (Luffy and co)
(plz don't flame me :P)

It amazes me how much weight this poll seems to pull.

The reason that Perona and Hancock are "OUT" is because most of the theories and predictions people have made for them have been destroyed by the actual story. Most of the theories and predictions about Jinbei, on the other hand, are still very much alive. You can think of the poll as more of a reflection on the community here, rather than some official measure of who will join.

Kishido

@Milquetoast:

Bon and Moria, yes. But Sabo…? I guess it would have been pointless to introduce him if he's not going to show up, but where has he been hiding all along? He's probably not a nobody, so why haven't either Ace or Luffy heard from him? Maybe he works with Dragon and has to remain hidden? Come to the think of it, the person who took Robin along in the carriage... He had a top hat on, right? Just checked: he has a bowler's hat and curly blonde hair. Not impossible, but highly highly unlikely.

So Dragon saved BlueJam… I knew it

@Urouge:

It amazes me how much weight this poll seems to pull.

The reason that Perona and Hancock are "OUT" is because most of the theories and predictions people have made for them have been destroyed by the actual story. Most of the theories and predictions about Jinbei, on the other hand, are still very much alive. You can think of the poll as more of a reflection on the community here, rather than some official measure of who will join.

But Urouge she is hot, got a new design and her real body can be at the TS hides

Bakajaro

@Urouge:

It amazes me how much weight this poll seems to pull.

The reason that Perona and Hancock are "OUT" is because most of the theories and predictions people have made for them have been destroyed by the actual story. Most of the theories and predictions about Jinbei, on the other hand, are still very much alive. You can think of the poll as more of a reflection on the community here, rather than some official measure of who will join.

I see, didn't know it was this kinda poll :P
my bad :)
so if i understood correctly.
People who predicted hancock and had theories about it had been wrong -> 'out'
same for perona so -> 'out'

Milquetoast

@Darkstorm:

Just 2 pages ago:

Ah, I see. I just dug up the translation I originally read in a different language, and it said "about 10 people". I guess Oda could still easily have Luffy pick up as many as members as he wants (plans can change), but I definitely see where the number comes from. Thanks!

Milquetoast

@Mugiwara_no_Ice:

Wow a condensation of every wrong idea ever about Sabo. You just won yourself an internet cookie.

So you believe Sabo is dead?

Darkstorm

@Urouge:

I'm looking forward to that pirate flag. :ninja:

It'll happen at fishman isle.

Everything seems to be happening there. cough

@Bakajaro:

I see, didn't know it was this kinda poll :P
my bad :)
so if i understood correctly.
People who predicted hancock and had theories about it had been wrong -> 'out'
same for perona so -> 'out'

Basically most of the Hancock supporters based their hopes upon a bizarre theory whereby AL would come under attack and the strawhats would repel it, and they and hancock would leave triumphant.

Problems with this were rather obvious. After the timeskip most of them ceded it wouldn't happen, and when Hancock said ta ta to luffy at saobondy she didn't really having anyone supporting her anymore in any event.

Perona supporters all pretty much said she'd join with zoro, and she hasn't.

andre

@Bakajaro:

I'm sorry if I'm insulting anyone here, but i don't see a valid reason for Perona to be OUT of the poll whilst Jinbei is still in. Heck, if Jinbei has a chance that he will join (unlikly) then perona chance is even higher. (don't mistake me for a diehard perona-for-strawhat fan :P)
Why you aks? Jinbei has a pirate crew, why would he leave his crew, furthermore, he's kinda the boss/protector of fishman island. Why is hancock out? Kinda the same reason as jinbei -> own piratecrew.
Why does perona has the highest chance? -> has no crew (she's not a captain) Nor is she as dedicated as the strawhats are to their captain, if she was than she would have rejoined Moria a long time ago.
My Personal opinion: i'd love to see her in the crew, she's kinda cute lol, but i don't see it happening actually. The fact that Oda draw up a new dress and all doesn't mean squat, he mostly do that to woman characters (Nami and Robin) and almost never does that to Male characters (Luffy and co)
(plz don't flame me :P)

Jinbei doesn't have a pirate crew as far as we can tell… He used to, but then again, so did Brooke for a while.

Urouge

@Darkstorm:

It'll happen at fishman isle.

Everything seems to be happening there. cough

Fortunately, some of it can be saved for Marineford Version 2 now. :ninja:

andre

This post is deleted!

Darkstorm

@Urouge:

Fortunately, some of it can be saved for Marineford Version 2 now. :ninja:

I'm actually quite interested in how close the red line exit hole will be from Neo Marineford.
Hopefully close enough to shoot cannonballs and shake fists.

Seems crazy that three years ago at W7 we thought we were but a short "florian triangle" mini arc away from Fishman Island.

Even now I can't quite believe we're finally going to see it, some twelve years after it was first mentioned.

herr_sebbe

@Darkstorm:

Perona supporters all pretty much said she'd join with zoro, and she hasn't.

The thesis for pretty much all Perona supporters was that she's somehow end up on the ship, and then join later.

Which is still not completely proven wrong until next chapter.

Darkstorm

@herr_sebbe:

The thesis for pretty much all Perona supporters was that she's somehow end up on the ship, and then join later.

Which is still not completely proven wrong until next chapter.

Didn't you disown yourself from any perona supporting weeks ago and tut tut at those who still did after you'd deserted the ship?

Are you really climbing back on the titanic?

Renegadesoul

Would you look at that, More voted for PERONA.

XD

Don Quichotte De Flamingo

@Darkstorm:

Didn't you disown yourself from any perona supporting weeks ago and tut tut at those who still did after you'd deserted the ship?

Are you really climbing back on the titanic?

He still hears the musicians play.
(Even when AGOG, the conductor,already is drowned,thought)

Brizan

I do not know why people argued more for perona after last chapter, Luffy did not even recognize her, nor did her seem to care. Guys, Luffy is the captain of the Strawhat pirates, the only reason the last stowaway was allowed to join is because luffy promised her. Everybody in the crew would be against her joining besides sanji and considering Zoro's attitude, he does not seem to get along with her at all. If the captain does not invite her and Zoro does not want her, she will not join, at best she will just accompany them to the new world so she can search for moria. Jinbei is the only one that ever had a logical backing though very specific things have to go down for jinbei to join such as jinbei/fishertiger flashback and Luffy somehow protecting FI with his name WB style or the revolutionaries protecting it themselves for Jinbei to leave and fullfill his debt to Luffy. Also, before this begins, I am telling everyone right now the mermaid princess will definitely not join, why would a princess ever abandon her country? She will become an ally at best and be useful if the SH crew ever has a "War on the Summit" scale battle with the marines. It would also help if the next crewmate had an actual position such as helmsman and a unique fighting style(sorry guys we already have a human female paremecia stowaway and a halloween themed character, the strawhats are supposed to be unique) If the next is not a returning character, he or she will probably debut in the next 20 chapters, and yes there is an equal if not more chance of the next being male as well as non human.

Zik

@Darkstorm:

I want a morbidly obese fishman somewhere along the line.

If only Luffy met Tom.

EDIT

Raging inferno Connard, lol. Never give up, eh?

Poll should be deleted like I been said.

Darkstorm

@Zik:

If only Luffy met Tom.

The same look he just gave to Franky only with added drool.

joekido the Second

If Perona does not appear in the next chapter, I'll expect Perona fanboys getting banned.

Fezzik

@joekido:

If Perona does not appear in the next chapter, I'll expect Perona fanboys getting banned.

Nope, they will wither away into non-existence automatically

Brizan

@joekido:

If Perona does not appear in the next chapter, I'll expect Perona fanboys getting banned.

Naw they will transform into mermaid princess fanboys. It is inevitable…

RPGJay

@joekido:

If Perona does not appear in the next chapter, I'll expect Perona fanboys getting banned.

They can't be banned for being wrong.

Now they can be banned if they continue to be assholes about it.