Ussop has his own version. Negative Haki…
General 'Haki' Discussion
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So let us say that Coby becomes stronger and fights Luffy. If they both use their Haki, is it going to be just a fist fight then?
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I'm happy that conquerer's ambition has been seperated and confirmed as solely being the user's own will.
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Man, this whole thing just leaves me wondering why White-beard never taught Ace how to use Haki. I guess he was to busy expanding/protecting White-beard's territory and chasing after Teach to be bothered.
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Man, this whole thing just leaves me wondering why White-beard never taught Ace how to use Haki. I guess he was to busy expanding/protecting White-beard's territory and chasing after Teach to be bothered.
Yeah the top 3 commanders used haki but Ace never… Not against Smoker to simply punch him in the face and not against BB to guard himself.
More over why didn't WB simply used his king haki to own the fodder during the war. Same for Garp or any other top tier
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Moves that seem 'Haki' like but, not clearly defined as explained by Ray are untrained and unrealized.
Not really spoiler material. Just a rant
! Once Luffy learns the basics of the three colors then he can have an aware access to them as he pleases. The strength of his colors will be up to his growth.
! Getting back to untrained and unrealized. Ray says Haki exists in all creatures. Inherent like breathing, moving and surviving. All these things we can do naturally and without constant awareness. Some can do it better than others because of the type of person they are or the way they've been molded by experience.
! There are people, though, that consciously train to affect the way of their own breathing and moving. Athlete's, Martial Artists, Warriors. Then there are the few who do not just survive but, dominate. The boss, Entertainers, Captians.
! These people, that actively train themselves, are the one's that make a conscious effort to be better, to rise above the norm and in doing so gain a better knowledge of self awareness and control. They are the one's that begin to realize their own potential.
! When taken to the next level it is not realizing but, knowing. Knowing how to "breathe." Knowing how to "move." Knowing one's "self." From there, the warrior becomes the master and the captain becomes the king. It just depends on the person and the life being lived.Long version, short. All the people that we have seen using a move or doing something Haki related, when it was not blatantly obvious to a color was either unaware or using a color of preference in their own way.
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Yeah the top 3 commanders used haki but Ace never… Not against Smoker to simply punch him in the face and not against BB to guard himself.
More over why didn't WB simply used his king haki to own the fodder during the war. Same for Garp or any other top tier
Ace used the "Color of the Conquer," during the flashback. My guess is his lack of self-confidence. He doesn't believe in himself. I personally think he had more confidence as a kid hanging out with Luffy and Sabo then he did as an adult.
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Ace used the "Color of the Conquer," during the flashback. My guess is his lack of self-confidence. He doesn't believe in himself. I personally think he had more confidence as a kid hanging out with Luffy and Sabo then he did as an adult.
But you can learn all 3… And the first 2 has nothing to do with will or whatever
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My predicition
Luffy - All 3 hakis but will tend on king's haki
Zoro - Both hakis + MAYBE kings haki… but he will tend on mantra type
Sanji - Both hakis but wil tend on armor type... No king haki if anytime than till the end, when he becomes famous enoughWhen Rayleigh said that you tend to lean towards one aspect which you should discover so you can train the color you are best at, did he include King's Haki? Because he also said that King's Haki can be controlled, but not trained, and that it only grows in strength with your will. (^I may be misinterpretation here…).
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When Rayleigh said that you tend to lean towards one aspect which you should focus your training upon, did he include King's Haki? Because he also said that King's Haki can be controlled, but not trained, and that it only grows in strength with your will. (^I may be misinterpretation here…).
Really dunno to be honest
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First he should get control over the basic colours and improve a lot in using them. That alone will take 2 years from what i got. His control over the kings one will improve the better he becomes with the basics.
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First he should get control over the basic colours and improve a lot in using them. That alone will take 2 years from what i got. His control over the kings one will improve the better he becomes with the basics.
Nope. Tyrant Drive's power directly correlates with the user's will and ambition. If someone like Ace or Moria were awesome at using Armor and Detect Drive, their Tyrant drive would still be shit because they are spineless ambitionless faggots. Hence why Ace couldn't do shit with Tyrant Drive even though he had it.
Addendum: I believe that Tyrant Drive is the only form you can give power levels to.
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here is my thought for some time. blackbeard said to ace while they were fighting that "you've never been hit foe some time, right". whitebeard have been babied for a long time since nobody messes with them. they forgot what a fight is. thay don't fight with strong ones. they've all been just strolling around because they're powerful. when it came to war they were all overwhelmed because they forgot that there were strong people out there.
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Nope. Tyrant Drive's power directly correlates with the user's will and ambition. If someone like Ace or Moria were awesome at using Armor and Detect Drive, their Tyrant drive would still be shit because they are spineless ambitionless faggots. Hence why Ace couldn't do shit with Tyrant Drive even though he had it.
Addendum: I believe that Tyrant Drive is the only form you can give power levels to.
Off-topic: Eh, I don't know about Moria, but once Ace was freed, he probably got his ambition back by knowing he was the one that would lead the White-beard pirates for now on.
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Damn right Ace never learned any Hakipowerupmoves, although he has the king's haki but not enough ambition to use it. Color of armaments+gear 2nd = you get superman
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As Ussop says in the New World the crew will have to become independent of Luffy as a fighting force.
Both Zoro and Sanji will be expected to take on top tier opponents so they need Haki as a given. And they are in a good position to learn it too, if inadvertently.
My personal feeling is that Zoro will be taught to imbue Armour Drive (hat tip to Zkaiser) in his sword attacks as well as develop Detect Drive because Mihawk has shown the ability to use both VERY effectively. His 'Hawk-eyes' schitck and the way he dodges / deflects is a clear sign of Detect, while the power of his ranged attacks and ability to battle DF users means Armour is a given too. Time will tell if he actually teaches Zoro haki explicitly or simply incorporates it in wider training (I lean towards a Rayleigh like full on explantion…although being Zoro it might be simpler to not bother...)
Sanji is a bit more straightforward, his kicking techniques definitely need a Armour Drive boost both to attack and defend. However, whether he will explicitly learn about Haki in Kamabaka is very doubtful. Ivankov has shown some abilities that might be Haki related (his Winks definitely have an aura of Armour Drive to them) but the rest of the okama remain an unknown quantity. But Sanji might simply pick it up unknowingly, his ...ahem manliness will come forth lol.
What about the rest...well, Ussop might learn to imbue his rounds at some point but the direction of his training right now, based once again on external weapons, does not lend itself to such things. However he definately will need to learn it, Van Auger may exhibit some form of Detect Drive to aim his rounds, but the confrontation with Ace clearly showed he does not know Armour Drive techniques.
Chopper would benefit from Armour Drive for sure with his physical fighting style.
Brook would do very well with Detect Drive, but im not sure he has what it takes, what being 80
Nami is all about ranged attacks so Detect Drive would move her up several notches. Detect Drive + Thunderbolt Tempo is not too far removed from Enel, add the weatheria enhancements and the mysterious Happiness Punch and we could have a real little powerhouse on our hands.
Robin simply isnt suited to brutal combat, I leave her to get Detect simply as an enhancement to her spying techniques and give her BVR Clutch capabilty. Most Robin will be fodder sweeper and intelligence gathering. Being under Dragon however puts her in prime position to learn Haki. And heck a delicate flower like her joke could use Armour Drive too for defensive if nothing else.
Franky, well he doesnt really need defense being a cyborg but again I can see Detect being useful for ranged attacks. He's more of a weapons guy so dont see him needing too much offensive enhancement other than mechanical upgrades, look for beams to be integrated.
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[…]while the power of [Mihawk's] ranged attacks and ability to battle DF users means Armour is a given too.
We have seen Zoro use similar ranged techniques ever since Skypedia Arc, and in his battle with Ryuuma (who also were able to projectile his sword slashes and trusts), Brooke explains that their attacks fly because of their immense strength.
Consequently, while I certainly agree that Mihawk possess both Observation and Armor Haki, I do not think his flying slash(es) is a product of his Armor Haki (we have yet to see a none physical attack/object empowered with Armor Haki after all).
Ivankov has shown some abilities that might be Haki related (his Winks definitely have an aura of Armour Drive to them)
I'm pretty sure that Oda stated somewhere that Ivan-chans Winks is not related to Haki (can't remember where though, so might not be so reliable ^).
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Regarding the two other aspects of Ambition not including the King's Disposition and the comparisons made to other abilities we've seen makes me wonder about even more techniques. Especially now since there's finally a general outline regarding Ambition given in the most recent chapter.
I'm mainly curious about Geppou(one of the Rokushiki forms) since Rayleigh's explanation about the Armament Aspect of Ambition, specifically about using it's "armor" to push an attack away like how Marigold does against Luffy during their fight at Amazon Lily. Anyway, what I'm thinking is maybe that Geppou is a variation of the Armament Aspect in which one's legs are used in that way except instead of for redirecting attacks it's used simply for movement.
Since improving oneself in the usage of Ambition is dependent on essentially making the two very broad aspects(Observation and Armament) your own it doesn't seem odd to think somewhere down the line a usage such as the above became feasible.
I'm pretty sure that Oda stated somewhere that Ivan-chans Winks is not related to Haki (can't remember where though, so might not be so reliable ^).
It was in one of the more recent SBS questions.
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I'm pretty sure that Oda stated somewhere that Ivan-chans Winks is not related to Haki (can't remember where though, so might not be so reliable ^).
In an SBS, he flat out stated that Ivankov's Winks are NOT Drive.
Also, the more I read Zkaiser's posts in this thread, the more I like "Drive" as a translation.
I'm happy a lot of the things I was saying about it turned out to be true.
Tyrant Drive is un-trainable and is directly tied in with one's own Will. It's still not a coincidence that everyone with Tyrant Drive is someone who either is in a Grand Leadership position, or really wants one.
Whitebeard was the Strongest Man in the World
Ace is the Son of the Pirate King and Captain of his division of the WB Pirates
Hancock is Empress of a Nation
Shanks is one of the Four Emperors
Rayleigh was the Right hand of the Pirate King
And Luffy's Dream is to become Pirate King.For that reason, I think Luffy will be the only Straw Hat to have Tyrant's Drive.
I think, if Oda gives ANOTHER main character that ability, it'll cheapen the "It's super duper rare and only a few people with a certain will have it".Luffy is the Only Straw Hat who wants to be King, he'll be the only one with it.
I think, Assuming that the other Straw Hats develop Drive, Usopp will be weakest. His cowardice makes his will to achieve his goals pretty weak. I think that'll translate over to weak Drive, at least until near the end.I'm just astounded by how close to right I was. It IS directly tied into ones own will an Ambitions.
See, I knew Oda Called it that for a reason!Also, Kudos to Zkaiser, "Drive" sounds great and works perfectly.
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@Vanessa. Maybe Sanji will finally learn Geppou after all. That was an old fake spoiler that came from a source that guessed a lot of things correctly, right?
Some of the Rokushiki forms having "haki" training makes sense. Sandersonia did use something like Kami-E in her fight and it does take years to develop which is what that doctor told Coby about haki.
I just hope not everything's connected to haki like soru isn't so far. I know things are bad if Oda says haki has "persuasive" abilities and Miss Goldenweek and Jango are both using haki for hypnosis.For that reason, I think Luffy will be the only Straw Hat to have Tyrant's Drive.
Luffy is the Only Straw Hat who wants to be King, he'll be the only one with it.
I think, Assuming that the other Straw Hats develop Drive, Usopp will be weakest. His cowardice makes his will to achieve his goals pretty weak. I think that'll translate over to weak Drive, at least until near the end.I'm just astounded by how close to right I was. It IS directly tied into ones own will an Ambitions.
This is what's confusing me. After reading Zkaiser's posts in the chapter thread, I thought that once somebody awakens drive, they will have the skills to develop it. The only drive I thought grows as the user grows is Color of the King. It makes sense that once somebody awakens their abilities it works like a devil fruit in that one needs to become efficient in using it.
I'm confused as to how "haki" is developed and trained since it does take more than just "ambition" to awaken it, right? Why else would so many people have trouble gaining this skill and why else would it be awakened after years of training according to that doctor helping Coby?
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Yeah, it been my impression that Drive can NOT be used to create projectile attacks. Oda most likely did this on purpose as to draw further distinction from other shonen cliches.
I was thinking to myself about the Blackbeard pirates, specifically Van Auger, and his miraculous shots he made back in the Jaya arc. Was that an example of Detect Drive? I would like to think that he has good eyes but this new widely known ability set causes doubt amongst some of the most simple feats. Going further with Van Auger I wondered if he had Detect Drive would he also have Armor Drive? Why didn't he use it against Ace? Then it came to my attention that a Drive user must have physical contact in order to imbue an object with Drive, therefore he couldn't since he doesn't touch each bullet directly before it leaves the chamber. So Drive infused bullets are out of the question (Maybe with a revolver or something). Arrows work, of course, because of the way you fire them. This made me think of Usopp. Detect Drive may seem like the form most suited for him but I do believe that it would kind of be wasted potential to not let him dabble in Armor Drive. At least a little.
@Vanessa: I was thinking the same thing about Geppou but I had some doubts because it's the practitioner themselves wearing the armor and the way I was thinking was that the Drive user would be jumping off of the armor which confused me to no end. Armor Drive so far has only been seen deflecting strikes or enhancing strikes. I guess the user would be deflecting their own strike against the air? Idfk.
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Only other SH crew member I could see having King's haki would just be Zoro. Since at times he has done that demonic intimidation aura. He also dreams to be the worlds greatest swordsman.
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Yeah, Zoro has shown immense intimidation, and it would make sense if he could utilize Tyrant Drive. It's something one could expect from the future greatest swordsman in the world.
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@ultimateclima:
I just hope not everything's connected to haki like soru isn't so far. I know things are bad if Oda says haki has "persuasive" abilities and Miss Goldenweek and Jango are both using haki for hypnosis.
I wouldn't worry about that. People are mistaken if they seriously start attempting to tie Ambition into every single thing we've seen throughout the comic.
Out of all the Rokushiki forms it looks to be 50/50 between which ones involve Ambition(Tekkai, Kami-e, Geppou) and are purely physical in nature(Soru, Rankyaku, Shigan). Plus Miss Goldenweek's Color Traps are just an exaggerated version of how different colors are associated with moods and we were told Django gained his hypnotism abilities from eating a mushroom that grew on his chin.
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Well I have to agree Zoro has the best chances on learning king haki… Sanji has no to little chances... but who knows. If his will keep strong as the others it can happen. I can see the whole trio owning sea monsters left and right by only looking at them.
Sanji would be pissed if he couldn't do something like that and Zoro would lol at him that his haki is weak xD
New gag? xD
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I wouldn't worry about that. People are mistaken if they seriously start attempting to tie Ambition into every single thing we've seen throughout the comic.
Out of all the Rokushiki forms it looks to be 50/50 between which ones involve Ambition(Tekkai, Kami-e, Geppou) and are purely physical in nature(Soru, Rankyaku, Shigan). Plus Miss Goldenweek's Color Traps are just an exaggerated version of how different colors are associated with moods and we were told Django gained his hypnotism abilities from eating a mushroom that grew on his chin.
So we are really attributing half of Rokushiki to Haki? Wouldn't you think things with no other explanation besides Haki(Zoro breaths) and abilities obviously Haki are the only real past occurrences of Haki? Latter three moves seem physical to me.
Hardening of the body, purely physical, not remotely similar to what Sentoumaru and Marigold have done even if you believe its a different application. If it were Haki it would actually be a downgrade of the basic application.
Kami-e is just making your body limp to dodge a blow. Real martial arts involve this practice, most exaggerated being drunken style.
Geppou, well sounds there you're trying to apply essentially magic to an ability with an unlogical explanation given for how it is done. Instead of just admitting it makes no feasible sense like Gear 3.
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Hardening of the body, purely physical, not remotely similar to what Sentoumaru and Marigold have done even if you believe its a different application.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/421/13/ - Rob Lucci
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/511/13/ - Sentoumaru
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/519/08/ - MarigoldDon't have time to dig up the other stuff, but there's that.
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I actually really dislike attributing everything to Drive but I've been wondering what will Zoro actually learn from Mihawk. Zoro asked for Mihawk to teach him "the sword" which I'm guessing is some way of saying "way of the sword." What exactly does that entail? I don't think that Mihawk will be teaching him new sword techniques like, "Super bat cannon" or what not but rather just the more advanced intricacies of swordsmanship like, "the subtlety of the sword." But is that it? No, that not it! People debated whether or not Mihawk used Drive in the war to detect Luffy's and now I think that theory holds more more ground with the introduction of Detect Drive. Even Mihawks deflection of the bullets in his introduction could be seen as execution of Detect Drive. So I think that Mihawk will show Zoro how to use Detect Drive.
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My current theory about Roku Ougan is that it is an application of haki, but from what I've been reading, people don't see it as a physical technique. That's where I disagree. The way I originally interpreted Roku Ougan was that it was an application of Bruce Lee's One Inch Punch. Now that we have been introduced to haki my original idea hasn't been discarded just augmented. Rob Lucci most likely is using haki while performing the Roku ougan. Though, of course, I don't believe that any of CP9 have been informed of what they are using.
Oh yeah, I'm boss.
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Reposting this again.
16 rings.
@grunk:Digging out my spoiler thread theories..
Zoro's focus should be armor.
Zoro has always been a tank. He can walk into a thresher, and walk out. That's the kind of person he is.. don't tell me "nothing happened" wasn't a form of Color of Armor.
The "breath of all things" is more suited to Armor, as I'm guessing it's tied to "sensing" the texture and mass of an object. Training naturally he would use this, and it's in perfect sync with his ability. Eventually he'll be could almost like Whitebeard and be able to take enough punishment to put down a small army, or take down a small army.Sanji's will be Observation
Sanji's fighting style is super agile, smooth, suave and high velocity. He's easily the most acrobatic SH. He will master Observation IMO. As a cook he has natural sense on what will taste good and is able to make a bucket of crap taste like a gourmet meal. This shows that he is highly perceptive. He's also been shown to be perceptive to peoples needs and knows how to tell them what to hear. His natural fighting ability is more geared towards movement, acrobatics, grace.. it's based on capoeira.. a fighting style where it's very hard to land any direct blows. Remember trying to hit Eddy from Tekken 3? Sanji will most likely spend most of his time on Kamebakka dodging the legions of trannies trying to put him in dresses.. dodging women he can't hit who've been converted.. so by the end of it, he'll be untouchable.Though.. they will learn both, I think. And when they get back together.. and they fight, they can spar and squabble which will this time help them in their training maybe.
They will both learn some of the other.. Sanji will armor up his kicks but wont learn body armor so much because he'll dodge.
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Oh yeah, I'm boss.
I mentioned that during the spoilers and this retard was wholeheartedly against it. Rob Lucci using Haki probably crush his fanboy dreams.
About the rokugen attack I mean.
Good mention on that tekkai.
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Dunno about Rokuougan.
I figure had Ambition been behind that attack Luffy would have been wondering about why it hurts despite being a rubberman(like with Sentomaru, Sandersonia & Marigold and Hancock with Pistol Kiss) instead of comparing it to an Impact Dial practically right away.
Pretty sure it's just an technique that deals internal damage.
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Ok I see how you see the attack being it deals internal damage.
But how then? When he aimed it at Luffy he didn't touch him at all a impact just came out both his fists.
So this how I see it, only other known "power" we learn in One Piece besides devil fruits was Haki. And yes I know the CP9 was trained in the 6 styles of the Rokkushi techniques.
So to me Rokuougan falls under a attack that's based of "color of armor" haki, think it's similar to sentourmo's palm attack he used on Luffy just a hell lot stronger.
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But wouldn't internal damage still not work since Luffy's organs are also rubber? Also, how exactly does a dial absorb force?
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I have an old post in here that answers that:
@Vanessa:The main reason I see it working on Luffy is because while anyone can train their body to withstand large degrees pain, longer stamina, physical strength, etc. there is really no way for someone to train their inner body.
So while Luffy's innards may be rubber and are able to due things a normal body can't(Gear: 2nd, Gear: 3rd) I really doubt they have anywhere near the resilience his outer body does.
It's in the same vein as how Luffy when he was little was still getting hurt by Ace and Sabo with normal kicks and stuff.
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I'm doing the rereading one piece thing and saw this:
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Stephen translates it as:
Coby: B… b... black towel and a stomach-band!!!
Th... that's the real Roronoa Zoro!!!
How intense he looks...!!! So, THAT'S Zoro...!!!
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I really don't know much about the internal damage, to be honest I don't remember anything like that being said about Rokuougan. All Lucci said about it was it was the strongest move he has and or strongest move a Rokkushi fighter can do. If I remember right something along those lines.
The dial absorb, not really sure from how the anime showed it several times with Usopp, Impacto Dial if that's the one your talking about a button on it to release the impact and I think the dial just auto absorb the damage. Not really sure though.
Edit: @Vanessa good point "there is really no way for someone to train their inner body."
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Dunno about Rokuougan. I figure had Ambition been behind that attack Luffy would have been wondering about why it hurts despite being a rubberman (like with Sentomaru, Sandersonia & Marigold and Hancock with Pistol Kiss) instead of comparing it to an Impact Dial practically right away.
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At least I still have Rokuogan.
Ok, it sounds like you agree that Tekkai is based on haki so I'm going to base this argument on that. Lucci stated that a true master of all 6 forms could achieve Rokougan. If Tekkai is based on haki, and a mastery of it is necessary to pull off Rokougan, then logically Rokougan utilizes a combination of both physical techniques and some form of haki.
Now we can return to where we started!
I'm still not sold fully on Rokuogan though due to the comparisons with the dials I menioned previously. However, I do see it as a viable alternative and won't outright dismiss it.
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I remember agreeing with your 'inner body' argument, sort of, but thinking again… what else was there to compare it to at the time? I'd have to look back, but I don't remember anything prior to that causing abnormal damage aside from the dials. Well, and seastone obviously. Also, keep in mind that the first time the Impact Dial was used they had one of those "it shouldn't hurt you because you are rubber!" moments.
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Maybe the haki induced strikes form a "blast radius", since that's sort of what impact dials do. Almost like the effect the Gura Gura makes but on a much smaller scale.
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I'm referring to dialouge by Luffy himself. This doesn't have to do with what we as readers know.
During Luffy's flashback that included Sabo, whenever Garp was causing him pain had Luffy asking how he was getting hurt. So time-wise we know the reaction to things that normally shouldn't affect him much and it has in fact been consistent whenever Ambition has been used to attack Luffy.
However, during his fight with Lucci when the latter managed to hurt him using things like Rokuougan nothing like "how's he hurting me I'm a rubberman" was even mentioned, instead we got that it feels like an Impact Dial but stronger.
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I've been doing that rereading of one piece in a month thing and a lot of people say this scene was the first use of haki in the series.
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Has anyone ever seen something run away because of haki? If that really was haki it would just fainted but instead it felt scared and ran away. -
To me Luffy didn't care what was hurting him during his Rob Lucci fight, he just wanted to make sure he pounded this into Lucci "I'll protect my friends". So no surprise he didn't mention why is this hurting me during the decisive brawl.
But wouldn't that play more in favor Rob Lucci had those moves imbued with color of armor haki? Given they were his signature moves as well.
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I've been doing that rereading of one piece in a month thing and a lot of people say this scene was the first use of haki in the series.
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Has anyone ever seen something run away because of haki? If that really was haki it would just fainted but instead it felt scared and ran away.The power of Haōshoku Haki, is the power of intimidation, as explained by Rayleigh. So make something run, totally afraid of yourself, seems like a possibility to me.
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Enel was being an ass by insisting that his predictions are exact, and then taking out Gan Fall. In addition, he took out Sanji and Usopp, who would have otherwise messed up his calculation. However, even though he ended up with six, he was remarkably accurate. He started out with several tens of competitors, if not past 100.
Anyway, Enel's ability is the supervision of the entire range of Skypeian territory with his mind alone. Kizaru couldn't even sense where his subordinate is on SA.
Wasn't it because of his Devil Fruit he could sense so much =o?
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So we are really attributing half of Rokushiki to Haki? Wouldn't you think things with no other explanation besides Haki(Zoro breaths) and abilities obviously Haki are the only real past occurrences of Haki? Latter three moves seem physical to me.
Hardening of the body, purely physical, not remotely similar to what Sentoumaru and Marigold have done even if you believe its a different application. If it were Haki it would actually be a downgrade of the basic application.
Kami-e is just making your body limp to dodge a blow. Real martial arts involve this practice, most exaggerated being drunken style.
Geppou, well sounds there you're trying to apply essentially magic to an ability with an unlogical explanation given for how it is done. Instead of just admitting it makes no feasible sense like Gear 3.
Luffy used his own version of Kami-e when facing Enel. Got a good laugh out of that one.
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@Del:
The power of Haōshoku Haki, is the power of intimidation, as explained by Rayleigh. So make something run, totally afraid of yourself, seems like a possibility to me.
It was theorized that Haōshoku is more then just "intimidate and faint", for example: everyone who needs Hancock falls in love with her. So it's almost like a limited psychokinesis. I'm guessing that changes with the user.. like how Luffy has an ability to make friends with everyone through and get them to follow him… which I call "JFK Haki".
So maybe Shanks has a "make you run away" type of haki, where his Haōshoku manifests as inducing fear. Just look at the war, he scared the marines off and ended it.